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I'd just like to point out that neither myself nor any of my fellow nurses, fellow advanced nurse practitioners, and other healthcare providers ever swore an oath that we would lay down our lives for

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Welp, it finally happened. I snapped in public today. I went into work for a bit this morning because I’m trying to figure out the safest way to host physicians we are recruiting given our CV-19 sit

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I don't really know what to say anymore tbh. What happened last night is hard to put into words for anyone who hasn't worked in a hospital healthcare setting. Just unreal. Everyone is getting fucked.

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I love watching all these legal challenges to vaccine mandates evaporate once the reality of law weighs in. 

Hey you dumbfucks, we've had vaccine mandates for over 100 years, they've has been thoroughly challenged in the courts, go fuck yourself. 

Dude, these people can't be bothered to read legitimate scientific studies...now you think they're gonna pull case law off of Lexis-Nexis?  

"So uh, you're aware that vaccine mandates are long settled case law in the United States, right?"


"What?  Nah man, I do my own research!  I say it's Unconstitutional." 

"Yeah, 'do my own research' isn't really a thing...that's why we invented 'Laws' to begin with, so one person's uneducated opinion wouldn't rule our lives."  

"Whatever commie queer!  This is how socialism starts!  Vaccine mandates one day, next day they're taking your truck and Oakleys!"  

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"Whatever commie queer!  This is how socialism starts!  Vaccine mandates one day, next day they're taking your truck and Oakleys!"  

Couple days ago I found myself in front of a truck containing a goateed guy in Oakleys. I could hear Marlin Perkins narrating the scene as I observed the creature in the wild.

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Visited a small lab for a very large cloud, server, and communications company yesterday. 
Door was locked so waited for my escort to pick me up.  
 

Sign on door said “Employees who have not turned vaccine card to HR, their badge will not unlock door”

 

Way to go Cisco.

 

Oops!
 

 

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I know nothing of a Feigl-Ding.  Sounds like something that would hang off my dog's ass.

Is there reason to question the CDC study?

It is what it is.  A case-control study using EMR/hospital records apparently merged with some vaccine databases. The design is subject to significant bias from selection, misclassification, etc.  This is a highly selected group of individuals with an inpatient hospitalization in specific healthcare system for COVID-like symptoms meeting certain other criteria related to prior testing and testing results.

What I find interesting just at first glance is that among those hospitalized for COVID-like symptoms overall, less than 6% actually had COVID. This is where the OR is being based on, it's the odds of covid positivity among those hospitalized for a broad range of respiratory (e.g., pneumonia) and non-specific conditions (e.g. diarrhea, fever), comparing the odds for those with evidence of prior disease in their data feeds vs. vaccinated without evidence of prior COVID. The actual raw numbers were 8.7% vs. 5.1% that tested positive, prior disease vs. vaccinated.

Among various study designs, case-control designs provide one of the lower levels of evidence relative to RCTs or cohort studies, and causal inference is limited. Compare to the UK data discussed a few pages back that appears to use a cohort design. As far as EFD, without getting into too much naval gazing, he doesn't even interpret the OR in the technically correct way. The OR is a ratio of the odds, it does not represent the relative risk.  ORs presented as a RR overstates the magnitude of the effect as we can see by simply looking at the raw numbers.  

  

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Couple days ago I found myself in front of a truck containing a goateed guy in Oakleys. I could hear Marlin Perkins narrating the scene as I observed the creature in the wild.

well, c'mon Jim... those animals aren't going to dart themselves.

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Alex, my answer to all of these is “what is longstanding SCOTUS precedent…and countless lower court cases following it…holding that govt vaccine mandates are legal?” I mean, the next thing these fuckers are gonna do is push for a repeal of Brown v Board of Education.

And….to be fair….they might get it. This SCOTUS may flat-out decide to undo everything and reinstate Plessy v Ferguson.
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On 10/29/2021 at 2:19 PM, Bama Chick said:

Where my “Natural immunity is just as good as a vaccine” stans at?
 

This study directly contradicts the CDC study:

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Frankly the CDC findings to the level they describe them don't make sense that "vaccine > natural immunity" as the vaccines are also just trying to trick the body to mimic the disease so the body manufactures anti-bodies. There is a reason we're getting two shots and waiting between them, its to give the body time to recognize the virus and build up immunity. The CDC is basically making the claim that the vaccines are 5X better at tricking the body to think they are COVID than getting COVID itself.

BUT... the study also correctly says all people should be getting vaccine. I think a big issue with "natural immunity" with regards to COVID is how unreliable the tests are (or that person doesn't have follow up type anti-body test) that a person actually has/had it. So people think they had it when they really didn't.

 

TLDR; Get vaccinated

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at what point does Big Pharma step in and knock these people around? I mean, they gotta be hemorrhaging cash right now. Sure, maybe the govmint will liquidate a lot of debt due to the pandemic, but there will be long term costs associated with the pandemic and prolonging it only increases those costs. Or is there another monetary angle here I don't see?

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at what point does Big Pharma step in and knock these people around? I mean, they gotta be hemorrhaging cash right now. Sure, maybe the govmint will liquidate a lot of debt due to the pandemic, but there will be long term costs associated with the pandemic and prolonging it only increases those costs. Or is there another monetary angle here I don't see?

Maybe the angle here is to explain to Trumpers & Republicans (as if there is a real difference these days... but I digress) that if hospitals & other corporations lose $$ due to covid-19 expenses, that's less tax $$ available to give to the uber wealthy & corporations.

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3 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

at what point does Big Pharma step in and knock these people around? I mean, they gotta be hemorrhaging cash right now. Sure, maybe the govmint will liquidate a lot of debt due to the pandemic, but there will be long term costs associated with the pandemic and prolonging it only increases those costs. Or is there another monetary angle here I don't see?

Only this, from a 2014 interview:

"You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster," Trump said. "Then you’ll have a [chuckles], you know, you’ll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great."

 

Can't have an economy that actually works for the people, or does well when Biden is president.  The GQP needs an angry populace to keep the grift going.

 

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23 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

This study directly contradicts the CDC study:

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Frankly the CDC findings to the level they describe them don't make sense that "vaccine > natural immunity" as the vaccines are also just trying to trick the body to mimic the disease so the body manufactures anti-bodies. There is a reason we're getting two shots and waiting between them, its to give the body time to recognize the virus and build up immunity. The CDC is basically making the claim that the vaccines are 5X better at tricking the body to think they are COVID than getting COVID itself.

BUT... the study also correctly says all people should be getting vaccine. I think a big issue with "natural immunity" with regards to COVID is how unreliable the tests are (or that person doesn't have follow up type anti-body test) that a person actually has/had it. So people think they had it when they really didn't.

 

TLDR; Get vaccinated

That's the same BS study that has been shot down repeatedly.

  • More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
  • Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
  • Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

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23 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

This study directly contradicts the CDC study:

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Frankly the CDC findings to the level they describe them don't make sense that "vaccine > natural immunity" as the vaccines are also just trying to trick the body to mimic the disease so the body manufactures anti-bodies. There is a reason we're getting two shots and waiting between them, its to give the body time to recognize the virus and build up immunity. The CDC is basically making the claim that the vaccines are 5X better at tricking the body to think they are COVID than getting COVID itself.

BUT... the study also correctly says all people should be getting vaccine. I think a big issue with "natural immunity" with regards to COVID is how unreliable the tests are (or that person doesn't have follow up type anti-body test) that a person actually has/had it. So people think they had it when they really didn't.

 

TLDR; Get vaccinated

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43 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

That's the same BS study that has been shot down repeatedly.

  • More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
  • Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
  • Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

I disagree that is it BS, just that it like you mention needs some context, just like the study you mention that shows "More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies".  While this is in large, bold, bullet item text it doesn't also mention that this is based on a study of only 72 people, yet it gets thrown around as if it's some large scale blind study fact now.  It certainly could be but it could also be way overstated.

As to the fading or effectiveness that is still debatable and under study. But obviously the same antibodies are being produced whether from getting the disease or vaccine, it's a matter of how many and how strong a reaction people have to each. Maybe they got a "mild" case, maybe the vaccine was stronger dose, etc.  There are also new studies now showing that it appears vaccines work faster on protection but natural immunity builds stronger, better longer lasting protection that is slower to build up.

Either way it's clear people should still be getting vaccinated to provide a more reliable level of protection. 

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8 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That's kind of crazy to think about. How many people hang out frequently enough with wild deer for this to happen? And, if it can jump so easily from species to species, we're gonna need a bigger vaccine.  

About 500-600k white tail harvested annually in Texas according to TPWD. 

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About 500-600k white tail harvested annually in Texas according to TPWD. 

Understood. I saw a dead fawn on Brodie yesterday evening, and I saw 2 live dear on a grassy strip of 290 near the Burger Center -- wedged between a retaining wall and the frontage road. So, yeah, there are a bunch of them getting into urban areas and suppose it could be those folks out there feeding them by hand in their yards or something. Maybe they gave it to their cats who are prowling through the nature preserves and greenbelts behind our houses.

It was just my first gut reaction to the notion that people have been spreading it to fucking wild deer. That's crazy.

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