Thing$ $till not going well for Joe Rogan, I $ee.

[Tom 2959]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Where was it killed? It’s listed on Spotify.

I fast forwarded that episode to see if the content was there and randomly stumbled on the guest calling himself a libertarian. Libertarians can sound reasonable about a particular idea but then you hear their detailed ideas on govt spending. It’s usually this hyper capitalism that all roads should be privatized and have tolls. Or something similar. It’s shows a 5th grade level of critical thinking.

smith talks in facts he learned from a message board. No one should listen to that.

 

I get so tired of hearing about libertarians.  Not all but many self described libertarians are just Republicans who don't want to call themselves Republicans.*  Most agree with Republicans and support Republicans on just about everything with the exception of 1 or 2 issues like maybe the drug war or in rarer cases abortion.  Calling themselves a libertarian is a way to act pretentious and above it all when it comes to two party politics while being able to throw their hands in the air and pretend nothing's their fault when the Republican politicians they pretend they don't support and enable are in power and do stupid things.  Weird how so many are never around to criticize the Ted Cruzes, Abbotts, or Trumps of the GOP but suddenly come out of the woodwork after four years now that Ds are back in power.

 

 

*I have no idea who Dave Smith is or if he's some true believer.  Just referring to my interactions with libertarians in general.

Edited February 12, 2022 by Tom

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Why are you like this?

 

[Sawbonz 27580]

6 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

PPP transfer payments to businesses came at a cost of $258,000 per job.  That’s ridiculous.

Alright I read it. Not worth a point by point refutation, but this has to be either a serious misrepresentation of how the funds are allocated, or there was a huge amount of fraud. If it’s the second that’s on DOJ.
 

Only the first 100k of annual salary (prorated over the eligible time period) was eligible for calculation, so it wasn’t going to fat executive salaries. Lender fees were paid directly by the gov and 60% of eligible funds had to go towards payroll , and jobs had to be retained at the same level of compensation for loan forgiveness. I’m not an economist but I have a big problem with their methodology that came up with only 3M jobs saved by the PPP, and only an 8% reduction in small business closures. It is a disingenuous way to analyze the use of the funds and they are begging the question. The authors admit there is no true control group, but they don’t acknowledge that a control group would have most likely shown complete loss of jobs and permanent shuttering of the businesses in that group.
 

And again the premise that paying the money directly into UI would have been more efficient and efficacious is ridiculous. There would have been no jobs for them to go back to after the 2-6 months of benefits were paid out 

 

similar arguments were made when the auto industry and financial sector bailouts happened in 2007. They were expensive but necessary to prevent total collapse in those areas which would have had catastrophic consequences on us all. Of course investors and executives benefited disproportionately but it was better than the alternative 

I briefly worked as an employed physician at a hospital that was part of a nationwide chain. The payer mix was heavily Medicare. About 6 months in the hospital CEO called me in for a meeting and explained we were losing money on every Medicare spine fusion we did. I know what that procedure pays, I know how many hours in the OR it takes for me, what the implant cost is, and it’s a 2 day hospital stay 90% of the time. They should have been clearing 10-20K per Medicare case depending non levels comorbidities and other factors, which I told him. He then condescendingly explained to me how the accounting dept allocates overall hospital costs based on DRG, and higher DRGs were assigned a proportionately larger share of all the overhead. Meaning inpatient medicare spine would always show a loss on their books. 

I told him ok I’ll take all my medicare cases to hospital Y down the road

His reaction was

And I started planning my exit that day

 

TLDR lies, damn lies and statistics 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

The three most pretentious labels are libertarian, progressive and perhaps the worst: economically conservative/socially liberal. Not all but many of the people with these labels can’t state their political beliefs in much depth.

examples

• I’m a progressive I support student loan debt elimination. Ask them what is stopping additional  student debt with the next generation of college students and the progressive is perplexed.  Eliminate that future debt too!  Many can’t think past step 1 of their idea.
• im a libertarian and the govt should provide national defense. What about airports or air traffic control? Well I guess those are necessary. But that’s it’s defense and airports.  You could them itemize 50 necessary govt functions that the libertarian would agree is necessary.

and ultimately they support candidates that have zero chance of winning but they pat themselves on the back for fighting the good fight. That and a nickel will get you jack squat.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

Uh oh Rogan’s newest episode is with a climate skeptic. Might as well move on to the next big thing after Covid. 

[HenryJames 66133]

31 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Uh oh Rogan’s newest episode is with a climate skeptic. Might as well move on to the next big thing after Covid. 

 

[hpslugga 4062]

1 hour ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Uh oh Rogan’s newest episode is with a climate skeptic. Might as well move on to the next big thing after Covid. 

Woooooahhhhh that’s interesting

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

Wandering dangerously close to Death By Snu Snu Territory. Get outta there, kid! Abort!

[Biff Tannen 45692]

1 hour ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Uh oh Rogan’s newest episode is with a climate skeptic. Might as well move on to the next big thing after Covid. 

So he's doubling down on his dangerous bullshit?

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So he's doubling down on his dangerous bullshit?

He continues to literally kill people. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

20 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Fuck paying for it. Especially when about half the country…doesn’t pitch in. 

You’ve said this before and it never stops being stupid. I’ve already explained to you why but you don’t listen so fuck off. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

He continues to literally kill people. 

Much like you. 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

10 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

You’ve said this before and it never stops being stupid. I’ve already explained to you why but you don’t listen so fuck off. 

Yeah, I've given up trying to explain it.  It's willful ignorance.

[wildcat09 29355]

Naw, fatty isn’t stupid, he’s just an enormous asshole who enjoys benefitting from living in a society while contributing the absolute minimum that he can to said society.

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

You’ve said this before and it never stops being stupid. I’ve already explained to you why but you don’t listen so fuck off. 

But what you’ve explained is bullshit, and easily refuted by a host of graphs and charts posted of the Biden thread as recently as yesterday. Sorry your “explanation” holds less weight, I’ll work on considering random internet poster political bent over folks that study and release the statistics next time.   Deciding you don’t feel like taking into account income taxes or lack thereof doesn’t mean shit to the discussion. 

[Chooky 13317]

Dangerous comedy that dances on the ledge of society.

 

 

[Beau Vine 54292]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The three most pretentious labels are libertarian, progressive and perhaps the worst: economically conservative/socially liberal. Not all but many of the people with these labels can’t state their political beliefs in much depth.

examples

• I’m a progressive I support student loan debt elimination. Ask them what is stopping additional  student debt with the next generation of college students and the progressive is perplexed.  Eliminate that future debt too!  Many can’t think past step 1 of their idea.
• im a libertarian and the govt should provide national defense. What about airports or air traffic control? Well I guess those are necessary. But that’s it’s defense and airports.  You could them itemize 50 necessary govt functions that the libertarian would agree is necessary.

and ultimately they support candidates that have zero chance of winning but they pat themselves on the back for fighting the good fight. That and a nickel will get you jack squat.

I have a good friend who owns her own real estate brokerage.  Last year she loudly announced that she was a libertarian.

I was like, "You can't be a libertarian -- you work in an industry that requires you to have a state license."  She said that did not prevent her from being a libertarian.  I was like...

[JimmyJames 12271]

51 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

But what you’ve explained is bullshit, and easily refuted by a host of graphs and charts posted of the Biden thread as recently as yesterday. Sorry your “explanation” holds less weight, I’ll work on considering random internet poster political bent over folks that study and release the statistics next time.   Deciding you don’t feel like taking into account income taxes or lack thereof doesn’t mean shit to the discussion. 

Lots of words from a really stupid and arrogant guy. Grow the fuck up. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

53 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Naw, fatty isn’t stupid, he’s just an enormous asshole who enjoys benefitting from living in a society while contributing the absolute minimum that he can to said society.

He’s approaching Sack level at this point and that ain’t easy to do. 

[hobbes2702 13049]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

He’s approaching Sack level at this point and that ain’t easy to do. 

He’s worse than Sack. Sack pretends to be decent. Fatty just owns that he’s a horrible human being.

[Chooky 13317]

I'd be a libertarian but I think fire departments can be helpful.  That said, I haven't called the fire department today, so I'm keeping an open mind.

[fattyflattie 4639]

50 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

He’s worse than Sack. Sack pretends to be decent. Fatty just owns that he’s a horrible human being.

Lol. Being angry at me is easier than just applying yourself. Be better. 

59 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Lots of words from a really stupid and arrogant guy. Grow the fuck up. 

Yet another post of name calling, and nothing to contribute.  I’m completely surprised at this turn of events. 

[hobbes2702 13049]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Lol. Being angry at me is easier than just applying yourself. Be better. 

Yet another post of name calling, and nothing to contribute.  I’m completely surprised at this turn of events. 

Being angry at you is easier than just applying myself? What are you even talking about. No one is angry. You’re just an admitted piece of shit

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Being angry at you is easier than just applying myself? What are you even talking about. No one is angry. You’re just an admitted piece of shit

Admitted price of shit?  I sleep just fine at night. 

[hobbes2702 13049]

Just now, fattyflattie said:

Admitted price of shit?  I sleep just fine at night. 

Yea that’s not surprising 

[washparkhorn 9939]

2 hours ago, Chooky said:

I'd be a libertarian but I think fire departments can be helpful. 

 

[Nivek 16946]

Naw, fatty isn’t stupid, he’s just an enormous asshole who enjoys benefitting from living in a society while contributing the absolute minimum that he can to said society.

Not so sure about that first part. He did repeat a talking point lie, but when challenged, cut an ran away, either because he knew it was a lie, or because he looked it up and didn’t like facts.

Republicans are all about running up the tab, than leaving before the check arrives, then cry about spending.

[hpslugga 4062]

1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

 

Yeah there’s nothing contradictory about libertarians and fire departments. Now, if it’s that phony, American, right wing conception of libertarianism, fine. But an old fashioned Euro-style libertarian? Fire departments (and all of those other wonderful public utilities/services) are not only embraced by them but they’re also required. 

[Captainant 27682]

9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Alright I read it. Not worth a point by point refutation, but this has to be either a serious misrepresentation of how the funds are allocated, or there was a huge amount of fraud. If it’s the second that’s on DOJ.

You do know that PPP was designed by the trump admin to have zero oversight, right? It was a handout to shareholders and a perversion of public policy, exactly like virtually every other trump policy. 

Nevermind that the country was in the middle of the summer of love with police departments brutalizing protesters and black folks for funsies. It was a smash and grab from future taxpayers. 

[Sawbonz 27580]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You do know that PPP was designed by the trump admin to have zero oversight, right? It was a handout to shareholders and a perversion of public policy, exactly like virtually every other trump policy. 

Nevermind that the country was in the middle of the summer of love with police departments brutalizing protesters and black folks for funsies. It was a smash and grab from future taxpayers. 

What party controlled the House when the CARES act was passed? Who controlled the lege when the PPP extension act was passed? Who signed it?

[Captainant 27682]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

What party controlled the House when the CARES act was passed? Who controlled the lege when the PPP extension act was passed? Who signed it?

McConnell's Senate bill is what ultimately passed into law. The house passed several other bills that never even came to the senate floor for debate.

Trump signed it into law.

[Sawbonz 27580]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

McConnell's Senate bill is what ultimately passed into law. The house passed several other bills that never even came to the senate floor for debate.

Trump signed it into law.

So you’re saying the house didn’t vote on the bill?

[Captainant 27682]

7 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So you’re saying the house didn’t vote on the bill?

Ah yes, the house is at fault in this prisoners delimma, of course! They passed several bills. None of them were even debated in the senate. 

If the house hadn't passed it, you'd bitch about how they care about politics more than Americans.

Edited February 13, 2022 by Captainant

[Sawbonz 27580]

Just now, Captainant said:

Ah yes, the house is at fault in this prisoners delimma, of course! They passed several bills. None of them were even debated in the senate. 

If they hadn't passed it, you'd bitch about how they care about politics more than Americans.

So you agree this was a bipartisan bill

[Captainant 27682]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

So you agree this was a bipartisan bill

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 hour ago, hpslugga said:

Now, if it’s that phony, American, right wing conception of libertarianism, fine. 

[tx 3 putt 77157]

Many ‘Free Joe Rogan’ chants at the UFC tonight 

[hobbes2702 13049]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

So you agree this was a bipartisan bill

This is a bit you’re doing right? Good god

[fattyflattie 4639]

My party only does good things. You’re party only does bad things. 

[tchookem 3903]

My party only does good things. You’re party only does bad things. 

I doubt anyone seriously thinks their party only does good things. My problem (the problem that drove me from the GOP) is that the GOP is proud of the bad things it does.

[Fudge Nuggets 19208]

13 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

What party controlled the House when the CARES act was passed? Who controlled the lege when the PPP extension act was passed? Who signed it?

 

13 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

So you’re saying the house didn’t vote on the bill?

You are dumbass.

Like serious level of dumbassedry.

[Fudge Nuggets 19208]

7 hours ago, tchookem said:

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

My party only does good things. You’re party only does bad things. 

I doubt anyone seriously thinks their party only does good things. My problem (the problem that drove me from the GOP) is that the GOP is proud of the bad things it does.

My party usually does good things when they can be bothered to get off their lazy asses and do anything at all. It seems to happen once every 15 years or so.

[Sawbonz 27580]

14 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

You are dumbass.

Like serious level of dumbassedry.

Coming from a genius like you that really stings.

like serious levels of stinging 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

 

[Nivek 16946]

The funniest part are the republicans talking about giving away free shit to win votes, but balk at taxing churches. Talk about free shit….

[Captainant 27682]

2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

The funniest part are the republicans talking about giving away free shit to win votes, but balk at taxing churches. Talk about free shit….

Those churches are tax free political advocacy organizations for the GOP! Of course they'd balk at impairing one of their competitive advantages

[Guest Lobo]

25 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Stupid constitution. 

Yeah, pesky fact that the thing never once mentions income tax or property tax.  The very issue some have with how churches/religions are treated by our governments local and federal.  

Shit, my bad.  You maybe suggesting that it was intended to evolve with the issues of the day?  Like a well armed militia of private citizens could eventually be intended to mean us all packing AR-15's out in the open in public?  'Cause I'm all for that.

[Guest Lobo]

I'm actually fine with the taxation of the "income" of personnel in how it's deductible.  If they're doing outreach and good works in the community, they should be treated like any other c3/c4.  I think we're in agreement there.  But I think their waiver on property taxes is bullshit.  A legit non-profit renting office space in a building in Austin still pays a NNN lease.  A huge chunk of that is property taxes baked into their payment.  But a church somehow gets a complete avoidance of property taxes?  That part is beyond a paradox.  I just can't wrap my head around that.

[Pato del Muerto 52531]

3 minutes ago, Bravo said:

I was just bringing attention to the separation of church and state. Simple. Some may not like that but I'm willing to put up with the mostly good with it. 

So no prayer in public schools then, right?  Because of the constitution. 

[Poe It Up 126]

2 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

CNN does more for Republicans than Fox News ever could.