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26 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yeah, I mean I get that's how it went down, but I truly don't get how you didn't cotton on earlier, it was just so apparent. And I'm not bagging on you or anything, I'm truly mystified with what people look at with other humans, celebrities in particular. I just don't get how these people slide by large segments of the population.

I thought he was sort of dumb, but well meaning and open minded.

I don't mind people like that at all.  It also seemed like he had a level of self awareness about it that eventually turned into a sort of parody.

The grifting side of wasn't evident to me at all prior to Covid.  He really did have people from all sides, and the left leaning people weren't just chum.  He took a hard right pivot after Covid.

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8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Musk owns property here but he doesn't "live" here right?

AUS is the most frequent origin/destination for his jet.

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6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I thought he was sort of dumb, but well meaning and open minded.

Everything from his comedy to his TV work completely flies in the face of this from my perspective.

I just get a sense that like Trump, people project what they want on these guys instead paying any attention to who they actually are.

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I still don't think he had the numbers to justify the deal. I think the deal was sort of like these self fulfilling prophecies that people call startups. 

Anyone can lose money at scale with backing, and they can even get everyone in the world to know about it. The criteria for becoming a "made man" of sorts is completely bogus and adds little to nothing to the economy. Entertainment and infotainment has largely become extremely parasitic to economic productivity in America, but everyone keeps pouring money in because the ponzi scheme is alive and well. 

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3 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

I feel bad because I started watching his show way back at the beginning because I was a huge fan of Newsradio. And I defended and supported this dude for years.

But in 2021 he lost the plot entirely. Covid I guess. Amazing how a thing that Trump managed so badly ended up benefiting Trump a ton.

 

3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I was in the same boat, and he lost me during Covid as well.  

He absolutely changed his outlook, message, and completely bit into the MAGA verse.  Who he was prior to that was fine for the most part, and I don't really feel bad about listening to his show or vouching for him back then, but man he lost the trail as hard as anyone ever has.

 

3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How closely does his change coincide with his big contract?

 

3 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

It's pretty close.  I was losing interest shortly before he moved to Spotify, but I don't think I've listened to a single pod since he made that switch.

So it was coming ahead of that, but it's gotten much worse in the aftermath.

I jumped ship around this time as well.  I attribute it to the big Apple $$$ making him stupid.

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I think Rogan is just a simpleton who is trying to talk about big boy topics with absolute lunatics, who just twist off into the ether when you don't have the knowledge to push back or not have on in the first place. Therefore he's dangerous as fuck.

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6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I think Rogan is just a simpleton who is trying to talk about big boy topics with absolute lunatics, who just twist off into the ether when you don't have the knowledge to push back or not have on in the first place. Therefore he's dangerous as fuck.

Well he used to talk to people who knew what they were talking about. A few anyway.

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I think Rogan is just a simpleton who is trying to talk about big boy topics with absolute lunatics, who just twist off into the ether when you don't have the knowledge to push back or not have on in the first place. Therefore he's dangerous as fuck.

He books the guests and actively promotes these POS grifters and pseudo-intellectuals.  No quarter. How many times have Eric and Bret Weinstein been on his show? 15 times? More? 

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7 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

He took a hard right pivot after Covid.

As did a ton of people. It still blows my mind how many people Covid just completely broke. I guess I never understood how deep the ignorance and distrust of the medical and science worlds really was. I have been around medicine my entire life, so it all just seemed like, that’s what you do in a pandemic. But man, it fucked us up royally. 

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This idiot is responsible for putting this guy, also an idiot, on his podcast. Billy Carson is what happens when you mix drugs together with already insane beliefs. Again idiot #1 put this guy on his show. I had to quit being friends with someone that had been a close friend of 20 plus years because he believed the stuff Carson was saying. You know things like buying a book off of Amazon to translate a language no one has heard in over SIX THOUSAND YEARS. He put Carson in front of millions of listeners. There are not enough ways for me to say how much I loathe Rogan for this one alone. Anyone of you that get through more than 10 minutes of that, well, good luck.
 

The rebuttal to all of it has been posted here by me last summer. It was from an actual person who likes to dispel this conspiracy garbage and it was glorious to watch.

 

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22 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

I see your Billy Carson and raise you Terrance Howard.

He also has had Musk on and Elon is stupider than both of those morans combined...

Howard is nuts as well, but his influence is limited. Elmo is absolutely the worst human being he has ever had on there. No argument there.

Carson sticks out to me because of how he ruined a friendship for me. I am honestly shocked Carson is not part of this dictatorship in some way. He is a grifter just like they are.

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11 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I see your Billy Carson and raise you Terrance Howard.

He also has had Musk on and Elon is stupider than both of those morans combined...

how does a stupid multiplier work? I suspect it's the inverse of any logical equation

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32 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

how does a stupid multiplier work? I suspect it's the inverse of any logical equation

In America, 2025, the "stupid multiplier" breaks the machine, because it simply can't multiply by infinity.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In America, 2025, the "stupid multiplier" breaks the machined, because it simply can't multiply by infinity.

i learned how this happens in astronomy 301 when the conventional math breaks and a black hole is the impossible but only explanation. 

this feels the same as doing those equations in between the daily texan crossword.

with the same dismal result of suck

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On 2/17/2025 at 4:55 PM, immamac said:

I still don't think he had the numbers to justify the deal. I think the deal was sort of like these self fulfilling prophecies that people call startups. 

Anyone can lose money at scale with backing, and they can even get everyone in the world to know about it. The criteria for becoming a "made man" of sorts is completely bogus and adds little to nothing to the economy. Entertainment and infotainment has largely become extremely parasitic to economic productivity in America, but everyone keeps pouring money in because the ponzi scheme is alive and well. 

I agree it adds no real value other than capturing minds for subscription revenue and ad revenue where that’s applicable. In and of itself it has no actual value. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

In case you were confused about Rogan's intellect and where his sympathies lie:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/f-ed-picked-wrong-psychopath-151519649.html

 

so the government investigates his companies, he buys the election and influence to a level never contemplated by citizens United, he then guts the government burns it down with arsonist flair or is it flare? And while saying he’s not here to steal your money we are supposed to believe this isn’t profit motivated and it’s good for all of us? It’s a fucking personal crusade not an altruistic mission. Jesus fucking Christ.

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10 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

In America, 2025, the "stupid multiplier" breaks the machine, because it simply can't multiply by infinity.

DEVO predicted it.  God damn Dylan’s of Gen X. 

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

In case you were confused about Rogan's intellect and where his sympathies lie:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/f-ed-picked-wrong-psychopath-151519649.html

"A psychopath on the spectrum." That was a compliment to Elmo. I don't know anyone on the spectrum that would like to be referred to as a psychopath.

People like Elmo need to have their own classification on a separate chart. I do not, and I suspect I can speak for just about everyone else on it, want Elmo associated with us. He is not just a psychopath, but a racist and narcissistic one with a severe issue of making deadly wrong impulsive decisions. 

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6 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

"A psychopath on the spectrum." That was a compliment to Elmo. I don't know anyone on the spectrum that would like to be referred to as a psychopath.

People like Elmo need to have their own classification on a separate chart. I do not, and I suspect I can speak for just about everyone else on it, want Elmo associated with us. He is not just a psychopath, but a racist and narcissistic one with a severe issue of making deadly wrong impulsive decisions. 

He strikes me as the sort of guy where if he were to press the wrong button and kill 100 million people, his response would be to shrug and move on to the next thing to destroy. 

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25 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He strikes me as the sort of guy where if he were to press the wrong button and kill 100 million people, his response would be to shrug and move on to the next thing to destroy. 

This.  He's not just a psychopath, he's a sociopath.  He is incapable of human empathy.  He literally does not care a single bit about any other human being or their well-being.  He could kill 1 person, 1 million, or 1 billion, and they would all be equally consequential to him -- that is to say, not at all. 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  He's not just a psychopath, he's a sociopath.  He is incapable of human empathy.  He literally does not care a single bit about any other human being or their well-being.  He could kill 1 person, 1 million, or 1 billion, and they would all be equally consequential to him -- that is to say, not at all. 

Pretty much describes Trump too. He is a collection of all the traits you don't want in a leader, but that's probably the worst one for POTUS.

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2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Pretty much describes Trump too. He is a collection of all the traits you don't want in a leader, but that's probably the worst one for POTUS.

Yep.  Donald Trump would happily kill 99% of humans on earth, if it would mean that the 1% remaining worshipped him as a god.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Yep.  Donald Trump would happily kill 99% of humans on earth, if it would mean that the 1% remaining worshipped him as a god.

Just like the God of Abraham.  Seriously, the Christian God is just Trump on roids.  

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On 2/17/2025 at 11:34 PM, Biff Tannen said:

As did a ton of people. It still blows my mind how many people Covid just completely broke. I guess I never understood how deep the ignorance and distrust of the medical and science worlds really was. I have been around medicine my entire life, so it all just seemed like, that’s what you do in a pandemic. But man, it fucked us up royally. 

The tech bros didn’t like being told to check their sources and flag deliberate misinformation. They call Russian propaganda free speech. 

 

39 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He strikes me as the sort of guy where if he were to press the wrong button and kill 100 million people, his response would be to shrug and move on to the next thing to destroy. 

He’d watch the explosion, and then promptly press the next button. 

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5 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Just like the God of Abraham.  Seriously, the Christian God is just Trump on roids.  

That's kinda what's ironic/funny about this whole "American Christian" movement.  Yeah, that's a lot like the God of Abraham....old Testament shit.  Hell, strictly pentateuch shit.  But the god of the NEW Testament?  The God of the Gospels?  You know...the part of the Bible involving CHRIST, the thing that makes Christians CHRISTIAN?  Not only do they have no use for that God, they actively oppose and denigrate every single thing that evolved, Christian God says and stands for.  And the additional layer of shitbaggery on that is that often, to get to the strict, cruel outcomes they find in the Old Testament, they have to contort the text, read meanings behind the words, etc.

But for the Gospels?  What the fuck is ambiguous about this?

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37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

It's as plain and direct as possible.  1) If you want to serve the lord, then 2) take care of the least among us, including the stranger.  Following the Gospel's directions is so simple (but fighting our own nature to do so can be hard).  These fuckers ask "really?  So when the wetbacks cross the river, you just invite them in and feed them?"  The answer to that is "well, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JESUS FUCKING TOLD ME TO DO!"  So....yeah.

We are such a fucked country.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's as plain and direct as possible.  1) If you want to serve the lord, then 2) take care of the least among us, including the stranger.  Following the Gospel's directions is so simple (but fighting our own nature to do so can be hard).  These fuckers ask "really?  So when the wetbacks cross the river, you just invite them in and feed them?"  The answer to that is "well, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JESUS FUCKING TOLD ME TO DO!"  So....yeah.

We are such a fucked country.

I know there have been articles along these lines, but pastors are really struggling with this. They try to teach from the bible or preach a sermon about the gospel and their congregants will tell them that they are wrong, or when pressed that Christ's direct instruction "doesn't apply anymore" because of some pretzel of Leviticus and a few snippets of letters from Paul. 

It's not just the protestants, either. Recently I was interacting with an old friend, one of my high school teachers who was also our neighbor across the street through my entire childhood. He is a devout catholic.  I sent him the Pope's excellent letter to American bishops that essentially rebuked and rejected the interpretation of the principal of Ordo Amoris advanced by some American Catholics including JD Vance in a recent interview. 
My friend's response was that the Pope is not infallible, and and he would need his parish priest to weigh in, but that in any case we can't just "surrender our national sovereignty." In other words, on a matter of doctrine, he's taking JD Vance and the parish priest over the Bishop of Rome and St. Augustine himself. 
 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

In other words, on a matter of doctrine, he's taking JD Vance and the parish priest over the Bishop of Rome and St. Augustine himself. 

Yep.

What most Americans don't get is that actually BEING a Christian (as opposed to simply declaring yourself to be a Christian) is really, really fucking hard.  It's a selfless path.  One I do a shitty job of following, by the way....but I at least ain't lying to myself about my progress.  American Christianity is about it being easy: want a God who hates all the same people you do, and first and foremost, wants you to get whatever you want, protect whatever you have, and fuck everyone else, thus mirroring all of your basest impulses and desires?  Well, have we got a faith for you!

It's funny that these people condemn more liberal visions of Christianity (you know, the versions that say "hey....maybe DON'T hate gay people") as caving in to weak human desires (sexual desire), but they are not just a-ok with but militantly in support of a version of faith built around sanctifying the basest human desires: selfishness, greed, hatred, and tribalism.  Specks, logs, and all that.

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I know there have been articles along these lines, but pastors are really struggling with this. They try to teach from the bible or preach a sermon about the gospel and their congregants will tell them that they are wrong, or when pressed that Christ's direct instruction "doesn't apply anymore" because of some pretzel of Leviticus and a few snippets of letters from Paul. 

It's not just the protestants, either. Recently I was interacting with an old friend, one of my high school teachers who was also our neighbor across the street through my entire childhood. He is a devout catholic.  I sent him the Pope's excellent letter to American bishops that essentially rebuked and rejected the interpretation of the principal of Ordo Amoris advanced by some American Catholics including JD Vance in a recent interview. 
My friend's response was that the Pope is not infallible, and and he would need his parish priest to weigh in, but that in any case we can't just "surrender our national sovereignty." In other words, on a matter of doctrine, he's taking JD Vance and the parish priest over the Bishop of Rome and St. Augustine himself. 
 

It's almost like they're just using their christianity as a mechanism to launder their ultranationalism, or something

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12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's almost like they're just using their "christianity" as a mechanism to launder their ultranationalism, or something

Had to put it in quotes, because it's just a label that has nothing to do with the actual teachings of, you know....Christ.  It's just symbols like cross bumper stickers and using the self-applied label as a shield against any criticism or accountability - "how dare you attack me for believing that gays should be burned alive -- that's my sincerely held Christian belief!  Why do you hate Christians???"

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The faux "christianity" has done more to drive God's children away from the church than any 80's metal band or video game. Kids with brains want nothing to do with the cult.

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28 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Had to put it in quotes, because it's just a label that has nothing to do with the actual teachings of, you know....Christ.  It's just symbols like cross bumper stickers and using the self-applied label as a shield against any criticism or accountability - "how dare you attack me for believing that gays should be burned alive -- that's my sincerely held Christian belief!  Why do you hate Christians???"

Once you paint a cross on your shield, you can slay as many in the neighboring town of heathens as you are able, and be in the right. Even more so with the support of your king. 
 

oh, and you also get to decide who the heathens are. 

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43 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What most Americans don't get is that actually BEING a Christian (as opposed to simply declaring yourself to be a Christian) is really, really fucking hard.  It's a selfless path.  One I do a shitty job of following, by the way....but I at least ain't lying to myself about my progress. 

It’s like we’ve talked about. What I always say is that I’m not a Christian but I hope to be one someday. 

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

oh, and you also get to decide who the heathens are. 

That's easy.  It's any combination of "people I can kill to seize/hold onto power," and "people with stuff I'd like to take."  Duh.  That's how you know they are satan's minions.

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5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Just like the God of Abraham.  Seriously, the Christian God is just Trump on roids.  

 

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That's kinda what's ironic/funny about this whole "American Christian" movement.  Yeah, that's a lot like the God of Abraham....old Testament shit.  Hell, strictly pentateuch shit.  But the god of the NEW Testament?  The God of the Gospels?  You know...the part of the Bible involving CHRIST, the thing that makes Christians CHRISTIAN?  Not only do they have no use for that God, they actively oppose and denigrate every single thing that evolved, Christian God says and stands for.  And the additional layer of shitbaggery on that is that often, to get to the strict, cruel outcomes they find in the Old Testament, they have to contort the text, read meanings behind the words, etc.

But for the Gospels?  What the fuck is ambiguous about this?

It's as plain and direct as possible.  1) If you want to serve the lord, then 2) take care of the least among us, including the stranger.  Following the Gospel's directions is so simple (but fighting our own nature to do so can be hard).  These fuckers ask "really?  So when the wetbacks cross the river, you just invite them in and feed them?"  The answer to that is "well, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JESUS FUCKING TOLD ME TO DO!"  So....yeah.

We are such a fucked country.

 

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I know there have been articles along these lines, but pastors are really struggling with this. They try to teach from the bible or preach a sermon about the gospel and their congregants will tell them that they are wrong, or when pressed that Christ's direct instruction "doesn't apply anymore" because of some pretzel of Leviticus and a few snippets of letters from Paul. 

It's not just the protestants, either. Recently I was interacting with an old friend, one of my high school teachers who was also our neighbor across the street through my entire childhood. He is a devout catholic.  I sent him the Pope's excellent letter to American bishops that essentially rebuked and rejected the interpretation of the principal of Ordo Amoris advanced by some American Catholics including JD Vance in a recent interview. 
My friend's response was that the Pope is not infallible, and and he would need his parish priest to weigh in, but that in any case we can't just "surrender our national sovereignty." In other words, on a matter of doctrine, he's taking JD Vance and the parish priest over the Bishop of Rome and St. Augustine himself. 
 

 

At the risk of going off on too much of a tangent that would belong in a religion thread, I'll briefly piggyback on these comments from earlier this morning to state the obvious--while still being a profoundly interesting religious observation--that American "Christianity" has basically dispensed with the merciful, forgiving, and kind Christian god of the New Testament, only to have gone back to the angry, jealous, and vengeful god of the Old Testament, which I'd argue couldn't possibly be the same omniscient, omnipotent god (different thread topic).

I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge nowadays (at least around these parts) that psychological studies have demonstrated Republicans/conservatives generally lean much more heavily toward an authoritarian mindset than liberals/progressives, which obviously goes hand-in-hand with all that fire and brimstone shit. So, I guess it makes sense why they mean to make us all regress back into being like the foolish Old Testament Israelites who could never learn a fucking lesson.

I guess all we can do now is just await god's judgment, wrath, and punishment for falling for this anti-Christ. The End Times, here we come.

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20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I guess all we can do now is just await god's judgment, wrath, and punishment for falling for this anti-Christ. The End Times, here we come.

propping up a requirement for their "end of days" prophesy is unironically the bedrock of their support for Israel.

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17 minutes ago, bolverk said:

American "Christianity" has basically dispensed with the merciful, forgiving, and kind Christian god of the New Testament, only to have gone back to the angry, jealous, and vengeful god of the Old Testament, which I'd argue couldn't possibly be the same omniscient, omnipotent god (different thread topic).

Definitely a different thread topic.  BUT...on that tangent, I'll recommend a couple of fantastic books by Jack Miles:

"God: a Biography"

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And "Christ: a crisis in the life of God"

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The books explore God's evolution and growth through the books of the Bible.  It's actually some profound shit, which many narrowminded types claim is heretical (if God is and always was "perfect," any discussion of changes/evolution of God is heresy....yet....the very Bible they claim is infallible portrays a God who plainly did just that, changing in his relationship with humanity).

"American Christian" faith is shallow and self-serving.  An examined faith that challenges you....well, that's interesting, man.

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Definitely a different thread topic.  BUT...on that tangent, I'll recommend a couple of fantastic books by Jack Miles:

"God: a Biography"

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And "Christ: a crisis in the life of God"

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The books explore God's evolution and growth through the books of the Bible.  It's actually some profound shit, which many narrowminded types claim is heretical (if God is and always was "perfect," any discussion of changes/evolution of God is heresy....yet....the very Bible they claim is infallible portrays a God who plainly did just that, changing in his relationship with humanity).

"American Christian" faith is shallow and self-serving.  An examined faith that challenges you....well, that's interesting, man.

These are both good books. Also recommend this 

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Definitely a different thread topic.  BUT...on that tangent, I'll recommend a couple of fantastic books by Jack Miles:

"God: a Biography"

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And "Christ: a crisis in the life of God"

51wrIJMlUeL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

The books explore God's evolution and growth through the books of the Bible.  It's actually some profound shit, which many narrowminded types claim is heretical (if God is and always was "perfect," any discussion of changes/evolution of God is heresy....yet....the very Bible they claim is infallible portrays a God who plainly did just that, changing in his relationship with humanity).

"American Christian" faith is shallow and self-serving.  An examined faith that challenges you....well, that's interesting, man.

Most faiths and their practice everywhere are shallow, self-serving, and subservient to political power and the extraordinarily debate, dialogue, philosophy, and “wrestling with God” outburst that took place in the West for a few centuries was the anomaly. We might not see it again for a while. 

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