Thing$ $till not going well for Joe Rogan, I $ee.

[hpslugga 4039]

48 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

You’re being decitful

[RomaVicta 29756]

On 1/15/2022 at 3:52 PM, Zeus said:

 

 

I couldn't get past two minutes watching these dullards. I also can't think of a reason why I should.

[tchookem 3900]

 

He's never going to fuck you. Your devotion to him is sad.

[Al_4_ISU 12408]

What's weirder:  the grown men who relentlessly carry Joe Rogan's water, or the ones who relentlessly carry Dave Portnoy's?

I'd probably argue the Portnoy brown nosers, but only because I think he's a huge piece of shit.  While I'm disappointed with Rogan's turn into right wing disinformation spreading, he otherwise seems like a pretty decent guy.

[DDD Dad 14167]

27 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

What's weirder:  the grown men who relentlessly carry Joe Rogan's water, or the ones who relentlessly carry Dave Portnoy's?

I'd probably argue the Portnoy brown nosers, but only because I think he's a huge piece of shit.  While I'm disappointed with Rogan's turn into right wing disinformation spreading, he otherwise seems like a pretty decent guy.

They both suck.

[52-80 19066]

What's a bigger fallacy:  building up an imaginative strawman to beat down ("haha joe rogan is not an economist/researcher/virologist/surgeon/statistician"); or characterizing anyone who disagrees with you as a waterboy ("mack brown was the worst coach ever" .. "he won a championship" .. "haha you carry water for mackbrown")

[Underdog 28437]

Portnoy has done quite a bit for small businesses with The Barstool Fund. 

[DDD Dad 14167]

9 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Portnoy has done quite a bit for small businesses with The Barstool Fund. 

He still sucks though.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Well, Harvey Weinstein did a bunch for the entertainment industry and Bill Cosby did a lot for comedians, so……..

Some self serving good actions don’t absolve someone being a giant racist misogynistic hogman.

[52-80 19066]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Some self serving good actions don’t absolve someone being a giant racist misogynistic hogman.

what substantiates the claim of racism and misogyny?

[DDD Dad 14167]

1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

what substantiates the claim of racism and misogyny?

Well you could just Google Dave Portnoy misogyny and racist and see for yourself.

It's all out there.  I found these two links in about 15 seconds.

E.g., https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/barstool-sports-dave-portnoy-racist-language-videos-1234693013/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-barstool-sports-culture-of-online-hate-they-treat-sexual-harassment-and-cyberbullying-as-a-game

Edited January 17, 2022 by DDD Dad

[Al_4_ISU 12408]

25 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

What's a bigger fallacy:  building up an imaginative strawman to beat down ("haha joe rogan is not an economist/researcher/virologist/surgeon/statistician"); or characterizing anyone who disagrees with you as a waterboy ("mack brown was the worst coach ever" .. "he won a championship" .. "haha you carry water for mackbrown")

The way people fall over backwards to defend these guys is odd to me.  Even when I was still ostensibly a Rogan fan, it never struck me to passionately defend him.

[52-80 19066]

2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The way people fall over backwards to defend these guys is odd to me.  Even when I was still ostensibly a Rogan fan, it never struck me to passionately defend him.

is it possible to take a position on something based on its merits without passionate emotional attachment to its subject?

[wildcat09 29187]

5 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

is it possible to take a position on something based on its merits without passionate emotional attachment to its subject?

You've admitted to not knowing what Joe has said about the things he's being criticized for, so it's kind of impossible for you to take a position on the merits here.

[52-80 19066]

11 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Well you could just Google Dave Portnoy misogyny and racist and see for yourself.

It's all out there.

E.g., https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/barstool-sports-dave-portnoy-racist-language-videos-1234693013/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-barstool-sports-culture-of-online-hate-they-treat-sexual-harassment-and-cyberbullying-as-a-game

juvenile, audacious, provocative, and vindictive?  absolutely. 

misogyny or sexist?  for his unchecked manners, sure.

 

but racist?  based on charges like these?  (the actual lyrics to actual song)... yeah, in 2000s everything is construed as racist so i guess why not?

Quote

In another resurfaced video, Portnoy chants along to Ja Rule’s “Livin’ It Up,” saying “To all my n—–s I’ve been livin’ it up… It’s going to be hit after hit.”

 

[Al_4_ISU 12408]

12 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

is it possible to take a position on something based on its merits without passionate emotional attachment to its subject?

Sure, but I see a whole lot of people roll into online debates about these guys saying things like "they make more money than you do" and shit like that.  And for a stranger on the internet to feel compelled to say shit like that, it's the definition of water carrying cuckery.

I'm not accusing you of this specific behavior, by the way.

[Eskimohorn 5610]

 

What if I told you Joe Rogan is part of corporate media?

[52-80 19066]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Sure, but I see a whole lot of people roll into online debates about these guys saying things like "they make more money than you do" and shit like that.  And for a stranger on the internet to feel compelled to say shit like that, it's the definition of water carrying cuckery.

I'm not accusing you of this specific behavior, by the way.

yeah, that would be a very flimsy argument, but one that i havent seen  much.  i know you have a good basis to form an opinion, but a lot of the other voices to the dog pile are tantamount to "bro == bad"..... which is just about par for the internet

[Al_4_ISU 12408]

5 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

juvenile, audacious, provocative, and vindictive?  absolutely. 

misogyny or sexist?  for his unchecked manners, sure.

 

but racist?  based on charges like these?  (the actual lyrics to actual song)... yeah, in 2000s everything is construed as racist so i guess why not?

 

That was the least racist thing in the article.  Check the comments about Kaepernick and Bin Laden.

Dave Portnoy seems like one of the biggest douche bags alive.  I really don't understand what people like in that guy, and I find some of the Barstool stuff funny.  He just seems like a giant fuck stick who deserves to get his ass absolutely whooped.

[hobbes2702 12771]

21 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

juvenile, audacious, provocative, and vindictive?  absolutely. 

misogyny or sexist?  for his unchecked manners, sure.

 

but racist?  based on charges like these?  (the actual lyrics to actual song)... yeah, in 2000s everything is construed as racist so i guess why not?

 

Did you just ignore this

In a 2016 segment about former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, Portnoy says, “So I’m going to say something that’s racist,” explaining he thought Kaepernick was “an ISIS guy… Throw a head wrap on this guy, he’s a terrorist.” Portnoy adds, “He looks like a Bin Laden. That’s not racist.” Barstool’s Kevn “KFC” Clancy comments that Kaepernick “is not really that Black… I don’t think he speaks for Black people.”

Edited January 17, 2022 by hobbes2702

[DDD Dad 14167]

5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Do you just ignored this

In a 2016 segment about former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, Portnoy says, “So I’m going to say something that’s racist,” explaining he thought Kaepernick was “an ISIS guy… Throw a head wrap on this guy, he’s a terrorist.” Portnoy adds, “He looks like a Bin Laden. That’s not racist.” Barstool’s Kevn “KFC” Clancy comments that Kaepernick “is not really that Black… I don’t think he speaks for Black people.”

Yes, yes he did.

[DDD Dad 14167]

19 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

juvenile, audacious, provocative, and vindictive?  absolutely. 

misogyny or sexist?  for his unchecked manners, sure.

 

but racist?  based on charges like these?  (the actual lyrics to actual song)... yeah, in 2000s everything is construed as racist so i guess why not?

 

He's just making edgy jokes.  Nothing to see here.

 

[Underdog 28437]

Well shit, won’t be able to view those pizza reviews the same ever again. 

[52-80 19066]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Do you just ignored this

In a 2016 segment about former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, Portnoy says, “So I’m going to say something that’s racist,” explaining he thought Kaepernick was “an ISIS guy… Throw a head wrap on this guy, he’s a terrorist.” Portnoy adds, “He looks like a Bin Laden. That’s not racist.” Barstool’s Kevn “KFC” Clancy comments that Kaepernick “is not really that Black… I don’t think he speaks for Black people.”

It's right in line with the dormroom humor of his brand, which means its in poor taste and ill advised for basically anyone in the world to express.

But you are convinced this represents his racist nature?  A belief in racial superiority and discriminatory actions based on such beliefs?

It's off-color, but making fun of peoples looks (hello Spencer Rattler) and terrorist-adjacent jokes are all over this fucking board.

 

[Chewbacca 7723]

12 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

That was the least racist thing in the article.  Check the comments about Kaepernick and Bin Laden.

Dave Portnoy seems like one of the biggest douche bags alive.  I really don't understand what people like in that guy, and I find some of the Barstool stuff funny.  He just seems like a giant fuck stick who deserves to get his ass absolutely whooped.

Does it really surprise you that someone who really likes Rogan would like Portnoy as well?  Those are two of the leaders of bro culture.

[Anastasis 23375]

Will you fuck sticks learn how to use the paste plain text function?

thanks. 

[hobbes2702 12771]

Just now, 52-80 said:

It's right in line with the dormroom humor of his brand, which means its in poor taste and ill advised for basically anyone in the world to express.

But you are convinced this represents his racist nature?  A belief in racial superiority and discriminatory actions based on such beliefs?

It's off-color, but making fun of peoples looks (hello Spencer Rattler) and terrorist-adjacent jokes are all over this fucking board.

 

Nice hand wave 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Did you just ignore this

In a 2016 segment about former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem, Portnoy says, “So I’m going to say something that’s racist,” explaining he thought Kaepernick was “an ISIS guy… Throw a head wrap on this guy, he’s a terrorist.” Portnoy adds, “He looks like a Bin Laden. That’s not racist.” Barstool’s Kevn “KFC” Clancy comments that Kaepernick “is not really that Black… I don’t think he speaks for Black people.”

This doesn't even make any sense, let alone the fact that it's racist as fuck.

[52-80 19066]

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Nice hand wave 

The guy is purveyor of crude toilet humor and an edgelord.

But, sure, he probably has deep seated animosity against POC and hates kittens, too.  If that's the hypersensitive lens through which you view life, your prerogative.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

Just now, 52-80 said:

The guy is purveyor of crude toilet humor and an edgelord.

But, sure, he probably has deep seated animosity against POC and hates kittens, too.  If that's the hypersensitive lens through which you view life, your prerogative.

Edgelord?  Is he a D&D character?

[DDD Dad 14167]

13 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

It's right in line with the dormroom humor of his brand, which means its in poor taste and ill advised for basically anyone in the world to express.

But you are convinced this represents his racist nature?  A belief in racial superiority and discriminatory actions based on such beliefs?

It's off-color, but making fun of peoples looks (hello Spencer Rattler) and terrorist-adjacent jokes are all over this fucking board.

 

I don't care enough about him to be convinced of anything.  Occam's razor suggests that he's both racist and misogynistic.  Your perspective seems to require I assume he makes these jokes while not bearing some belief supporting them.  

Edited January 17, 2022 by DDD Dad

[DDD Dad 14167]

6 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

The guy is purveyor of crude toilet humor and an edgelord.

But, sure, he probably has deep seated animosity against POC and hates kittens, too.  If that's the hypersensitive lens through which you view life, your prerogative.

In my experience, people who purvey crude toilet humor tend to have views consistent with those types of jokes.

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Will you fuck sticks learn how to use the paste plain text function?

thanks. 

no

[52-80 19066]

9 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I don't care enough about him to be convinced of anything.  It seems like a much larger logical leap to deny that he might harbor misogynistic and racist views just because he uses dormroom humor to make money rather than conclude that where there's smoke there's probably fire too.

So.. you dont know enough about a person, but if they employ crude humor, it's racist-until-proven-innocent?

I've literally never visited Barstool and don't follow the guy, but I know he's a very public and outspoken figure.  And if from thousands of archived tweets and blog posts this very-poor-dig at Kaepernicks appearance is evidentiary racism, the real meaning of racism itself has been bashed to all hell.

[DDD Dad 14167]

8 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

So.. you dont know enough about a person, but if they employ crude humor, it's racist-until-proven-innocent?

I've literally never visited Barstool and don't follow the guy, but I know he's a very public and outspoken figure.  And if from thousands of archived tweets and blog posts this very-poor-dig at Kaepernicks appearance is evidentiary racism, the real meaning of racism itself has been bashed to all hell.

So a guy makes a lot of racist jokes and you think the natural conclusion is to think he harbors no racist views?  OK. 

[Genco 3038]

14 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I've literally never visited Barstool and don't follow the guy

This is the second guy that you're sticking up for on this thread that you don't really follow or know what the controversy is surrounding him.

[Captainant 27309]

11 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

So.. you dont know enough about a person, but if they employ crude humor, it's racist-until-proven-innocent?

I've literally never visited Barstool and don't follow the guy, but I know he's a very public and outspoken figure.  And if from thousands of archived tweets and blog posts this very-poor-dig at Kaepernicks appearance is evidentiary racism, the real meaning of racism itself has been bashed to all hell.

It's amazing how you've never listened to any of portnoys stuff, but when presented with several different examples across several years of his racist """jokes""", you jump to his defense. It could almost lead one to believe that you share his views and think they're a-ok

[52-80 19066]

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So a guy makes a lot of racist jokes and you think the natural conclusion is to think he harbors no racist views?  OK. 

Let's be very specific.  "A lot of racist" jokes , which are?

A 2020 article cited as evidence of his racism, can muster from all his decade+ (?) of being a vocal, targeted public figure: (1) a 2016 episode of him comparing the appearance of KP to OBL... and (2) him reciting a rap song.

This (linked from said article) is the smoking gun?

 

Racist isnt a light charge to make but if thats all it takes...

[softlynow 1774]

2 minutes ago, Genco said:

This is the second guy that you're sticking up for on this thread that you don't really follow or know what the controversy is surrounding him.

He only sees the good in people, which is why he knows nothing about Portnoy and Rogan.

[DDD Dad 14167]

White knighting for (checks notes) Dave fucking Portnoy.  Classic Surly.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

It's quite possible he's just a fucking troll.

[Chooky 13292]

 

[52-80 19066]

3 minutes ago, Genco said:

This is the second guy that you're sticking up for on this thread that you don't really follow or know what the controversy is surrounding him.

You completely misunderstood or intentionally falsify my position so I'll restate it unequivocally:

-I know exactly who Joe Rogan the figure is.  I've watched the UFC years. 

-I listened to something like 30 of his podcasts in full, and maybe another 20 in part.  Enough to get decent sense of his what podcast is about in messaging, content, intent, etc.  This is way less than AL4ISU, but certainly more than most of you.

-I know broadly who Portnoy is -- because the overlap of PENN stock (S&P 500 company), sports, and online culture makes his brand unavoidable.  The same way I know who Justin Verlander is, though i've haven't seen a baseball game since 2005.

 

Now why would you think there's any of that anybody would even need to hide?

[RomaVicta 29756]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The way people fall over backwards to defend these guys is odd to me.  Even when I was still ostensibly a Rogan fan, it never struck me to passionately defend him.

It's like anything somebody chooses must become wholly attached to their identity. One doesn't just listen to Rush (DRIP) or Rome or Stern; one becomes a mujahadeen for them. 

I vote Dem, but I don't really like calling myself a Democrat because it really doesn't define me very well. Being a Longhorn is more informative and that's still pretty general. I don't lose my shit if someone says they really hate UT.

I don't believe it's always been like this.

[Captainant 27309]

6 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

-I listened to something like 30 of his podcasts in full, and maybe another 20 in part.  Enough to get decent sense of his what podcast is about in messaging, content, intent, etc.  This is way less than AL4ISU, but certainly more than most of you.

Prior to Rogan going off the far right conspiracy deep end (so like 2015/6) he tended to have loads of fascinating and interesting guests on his show. He hasn't been doing that for some time. He sets up shop for other grifters and loonies to come on and further spread their message. I've listened to loads of Rogan but not for some time. If you're assuming he's the same person hosting the same show, that's why you're getting dogpiled

Edited January 17, 2022 by Captainant

[DDD Dad 14167]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Prior to Rogan going off the far right conspiracy deep end (so like 2015/6) he tended to have loads of fascinating and interesting guests on his show. He hasn't been doing that for some time. He sets up shop for other grifters and loonies to come on and further spread their message. I've listened to loads of Rogan but not for some time. If you're assuming he's the same person hosting the same show, that's why you're getting dogpiled

Judging from his rabid defense of Dave Portnoy, I don't think that's what he's assuming.

[52-80 19066]

2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

What's weirder:  the grown men who relentlessly carry Joe Rogan's water, or the ones who relentlessly carry Dave Portnoy's?

I'd probably argue the Portnoy brown nosers, but only because I think he's a huge piece of shit.  While I'm disappointed with Rogan's turn into right wing disinformation spreading, he otherwise seems like a pretty decent guy.

 

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

They both suck.

 

16 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

White knighting for (checks notes) Dave fucking Portnoy.  Classic Surly.

 

And we come full circle.  Somehow (1) it's very righteous thing to signal being above popular figures, even though <1hr ago (2) you totally "don't care enough" about said figures.

Hey guys, isn't Kanye West just THE WORST????

[StassneyHorn 6534]

Barstool/Portnoy are harmless and people digging up clips of bullshitting around behavior to make a point out of context are the worst of social media. 
 

The blog used to be great but everyone started doing podcasts and now the comment section is nothing but 18-35 year old Breitbart commenters. 

Edited January 17, 2022 by StassneyHorn

[Captainant 27309]

3 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Hey guys, isn't Kanye West just THE WORST????

...yes? He's an insufferable narcissist with mental health issues that's enabled by his menagerie of handlers and yes-men. He has some good music, but fuck man, at what cost? Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you arguing that kanye is an icon of (((the cabal))) or something?

Your judgement really is something. Or you're just a lazy and intellectually dishonest troll.

[52-80 19066]

3 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Barstool/Portnoy are harmless and people digging up clips of bullshitting around behavior to make a point out of context are the worst of social media.

the irony that this is castigated as a millenial thing but now it's a bunch of grown men doing it