Thing$ $till not going well for Joe Rogan, I $ee.

[Captainant 27735]

46 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

How the fuck could anyone possibly view Joe Rogan's advice as "infallible"? That's ridiculous, especially given the fact that he frequently reminds viewers that he is not a scientist. 

when he's "just asking questions" he casts doubt upon credible experts and contributes to the "muh MEDIAH bias!" narrative and encourages people to "do their own research"

And then rogan only brings on the fringe conspiracy loons who call themselves experts and do nothing but disparage the actual accredited experts and further cast doubt and validate the crazy stuff rogan is spouts.

This is how disinformation works. It's the mechanics of "people are saying". It's a familiar tactic for grifters.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Captainant

[hpslugga 4062]

19 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

"Liberals as defined in 2022", is that better?

That’s a pissy shit little cop out if I’ve ever seen one.

[TurkeyChew 383]

2 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Maybe bookfags?

Come on, nobody reads books these days. For my part, at least, I couldn't tell you the last Man Booker finalist book or National Book Award book I've read in who knows how long and I consider myself a strong reader. From what I have seen, I think most people these days are lucky to read a best-seller from Hudson News or a business book du jour. 

[TurkeyChew 383]

4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

That’s a pissy shit little cop out if I’ve ever seen one.

I'm not trying to antagonize you, believe it or not. I was trying to make a salient point and if using the right pronouns or descriptors is helpful, it's the least I can do. I'm taking Sizzle's feedback and trying to incorporate it, not trying to "cop out".

[SizzleChest 8284]

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

That’s a pissy shit little cop out if I’ve ever seen one.

More like a massive cunty cop out, with a "let me tell you how big of a fucking dumbass I really am chaser".

[SizzleChest 8284]

1 minute ago, TurkeyChew said:

I'm not trying to antagonize you, believe it or not. I was trying to make a salient point and if using the right pronouns or descriptors is helpful, it's the least I can do. I'm taking Sizzle's feedback and trying to incorporate it, not trying to "cop out".

LOL.

[fattyflattie 4638]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

and the overall Surly consensus so far as I understand it is they're widely seen as being pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as other cable news networks.

Well, it’s because of the flavor the peddle. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

Kiss and make up already 

[atomheartbevo 89779]

3 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

The year is 1996. Joe Rogan has hair and long sideburns and wears puka shells as contestants eat Donkey Semen.
Who would have guessed this guy would be the biggest liberal trigger 26 years later?

2 hours ago, tchookem said:

About as likely as guessing that he'd be an alt-right darling.

And that's the rub.  If you went back and told 1996 me that the Clintons would look trustworthy compared to the current crop of Republican leaders,  and that the GOP panders to a fucking cult that thinks Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey are drinking the fluids of child slaves to stay young, I would have laughed heartily at you.

You might as well have told me that the Astros would switch to the American League and win a World Series.  I'd have an easier time believing that.

 

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

when he's "just asking questions" he casts doubt upon credible experts and contributes to the "muh MEDIAH bias!" narrative and encourages people to "do their own research"

And then rogan only brings on the fringe conspiracy loons who call themselves experts and do nothing but disparage the actual accredited experts and further cast doubt and validate the crazy stuff rogan is spouts.

This is how disinformation works. It's the mechanics of "people are saying". It's a familiar tactic for grifters.

Well making ridiculous arguments isn't going to work. All of your displeasure is perfectly fine for you to have but it still does not trump the right to free speech. Be careful what you're asking for here

[hpslugga 4062]

14 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

I'm not trying to antagonize you, believe it or not.

Who said you were?

14 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

I was trying to make a salient point

That’s make believe and pretend. You knew that.

14 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

and if using the right pronouns or descriptors is helpful, it's the least I can do. I'm taking Sizzle's feedback and trying to incorporate it, not trying to "cop out".

No, your whole “logic” about this is “if you say anything negative about Joe Rogan, you’re a liberal.” That’s extremely lacking in mental toughness in every conceivable facet about this. So yes, reducing it to “liberals in 2022” most certainly is a cop out because you’re grasping at straws to insist on credibility of a preposterous statement.

Edited January 18, 2022 by hpslugga

[immamac 42932]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And that's the rub.  If you went back and told 1996 me that the Clintons would look trustworthy compared to the current crop of Republican leaders,  and that the GOP panders to a fucking cult that thinks Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey are drinking the fluids of child slaves to stay young, I would have laughed heartily at you.

You might as well have told me that the Astros would switch to the American League and win a World Series.  I'd have an easier time believing that.

 

This is the world we currently live in. Meanwhile China and Europe are the most stable they have been in a long time and are making significant economic and technological progress while we sit here in America telling everyone how awesome we are. 

[TurkeyChew 383]

12 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Who said you were?

That’s make believe and pretend. You knew that.

No, your whole “logic” about this is “if you say anything negative about Joe Rogan, you’re a liberal.” That’s extremely lacking in mental toughness in every conceivable facet about this. So yes, reducing it to “liberals in 2022” most certainly is a cop out because you’re grasping at straws to insist on credibility of a preposterous statement.

mmmm, I don't agree but it's not worth arguing about. I shouldn't have used the term "liberals" because it clearly wrapped folks around the axle. I should have said "Joe Rogan triggers a certain type and personality of people who are emotional and overreact over everything these days, regardless of their past, current and future political identity." I forgot everything has to be prefaced with a Safe Harbor statement for a certain segment of people.

[Celery Man 20996]

donkey is feeling spicy

[hpslugga 4062]

10 minutes ago, TurkeyChew said:

mmmm, I don't agree but it's not worth arguing about. I shouldn't have used the term "liberals" because it clearly wrapped folks around the axle.
 

You shouldn’t have used it because:

1. It was a case of incorrect usage

2. you haven’t the foggiest clue what “liberal” even is.

Has absolutely nothing to do with how others felt about it and everything to do with its fractal wrongness. You want to jaw about everyone being hypersensitive and emotional, yet you’re sitting there displaying a textbook case of an emotional attachment to a belief in something that was disproven.

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by hpslugga

[Pato del Muerto 52571]

23 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

Well making ridiculous arguments isn't going to work. All of your displeasure is perfectly fine for you to have but it still does not trump the right to free speech. Be careful what you're asking for here

For the billionth time, the American right of free speech has nothing to do with private business.  Especially a foreign private business. 
 

and furthermore, since Joe and his guests have the right to their free speech, why don’t his detractors have their right to free speech on condemning him and asking or demanding his platform to take action?

and if you agree with that, then what’s the argument?

[hpslugga 4062]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

For the billionth time, the American right of free speech has nothing to do with private business.  Especially a foreign private business. 
 

and furthermore, since Joe and his guests have the right to their free speech, why don’t his detractors have their right to free speech on condemning him and asking or demanding his platform to take action?

and if you agree with that, then what’s the argument?

Rogan good, rest bad 

[DDD Dad 14347]

This thread got really stupid. 

[aggie08 21525]

5 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

This thread got really stupid. 

And it started as a thread about Joe Rogan, so that's really saying something.

[Chooky 13317]

41 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

and if you agree with that, then what’s the argument?

Whatever the position, I want it known that I don't think Tom Hanks should be allowed to drink human baby smoothies. I'm against that. 

[TDunk 590]

8 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Barstool/Portnoy are harmless and people digging up clips of bullshitting around behavior to make a point out of context are the worst of social media. 
 

The blog used to be great but everyone started doing podcasts and now the comment section is nothing but 18-35 year old Breitbart commenters. 

Is that better than 52-80? Asking for a friend/asshole. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21218]

7 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

Come on, nobody reads books these days. For my part, at least, I couldn't tell you the last Man Booker finalist book or National Book Award book I've read in who knows how long and I consider myself a strong reader. From what I have seen, I think most people these days are lucky to read a best-seller from Hudson News or a business book du jour. 

[52-80 19232]

7 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

. I should have said "Joe Rogan triggers a certain type and personality of people who are emotional and overreact over everything these days, regardless of their past, current and future political identity."

this one doing numbers.

[Celery Man 20996]

“Spreading the misinformation that has made this pandemic the deadliest event in American history is bad and should be criticized “

 

“they’re removing racist imagery from children’s books”

 

 

“The children’s potato toy no longer explicitly has a theoretical penis”

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

9 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

For the billionth time, the American right of free speech has nothing to do with private business.  Especially a foreign private business. 
 

and furthermore, since Joe and his guests have the right to their free speech, why don’t his detractors have their right to free speech on condemning him and asking or demanding his platform to take action?

and if you agree with that, then what’s the argument?

Of course they have that right, and they should not be silenced for it, and neither should Rogan

[Neonmoon 38130]

Side 1: Joe Rogan spreading vaccine disinformation is bad (and to a lesser extent, platforming white nationalists and propagandist is bad)

Side 2: Why does he bother you? He’s just a comedian and podcaster, not a doctor. You liberals are triggered. Just don’t listen to him

Is spreading vaccine disinformation bad? (yes/no)

Is Joe Rogan spreading vaccine disinformation? (yes/no)

Does being a podcaster excuse one from spreading vaccine disinformation? (yes/no)

 

[SizzleChest 8284]

9 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

This thread got really stupid. 

Donkey Turkey playing trigger games and re-defining liberal for trolling shits and giggs will do that.

[Poe It Up 126]

It just occurred to me that some of you may be listening to Rogan sober. If so, you’re doing it wrong. 

[Celery Man 20996]

And just to be clear - liberals are kinda sorta triggered about Rogan promoting disinformation to millions of idiots, but the BIGGEST trigger for liberals is when smart conservative alpha males drink their own piss and then die of a disease for which their is a free cure. Drives us fucking bonkers, it is fucking hilarious dudes.

[Chuckie Finster 22727]

10 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

mmmm, I don't agree but it's not worth arguing about. I shouldn't have used the term "liberals" because it clearly wrapped folks around the axle. I should have said "Joe Rogan triggers a certain type and personality of people who are emotional and overreact over everything these days, regardless of their past, current and future political identity." I forgot everything has to be prefaced with a Safe Harbor statement for a certain segment of people.

There's a 1200+ post topic on the TexAgs politics forum about Alec Baldwin right now.  

Edited January 18, 2022 by Chuckie Finster

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

2 hours ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

Of course they have that right, and they should not be silenced for it, and neither should Rogan

no, they fucking don't and yes they should. for the billionth fucking time, you're allowed to say whatever the fuck you want. that does not mean a private company has to give you a platform. that also doesn't mean that there aren't repercussions for what you say. the only right you have is against the GOVERNMENT silencing your speech. that's bad. censoring disinfo bros during the deadliest pandemic in generations, well that's fucking good and should be done. 

[hayden_horn 11365]

imagine defending dave portnoy. the guy cannot even smile without stretching his skin suit to the extreme.

that's not a smile of a guy enjoying life. that's a sneer of someone who thinks they got the world by the balls, but also hates himself and everyone around him because he is a vortex of self-loathing.

success doesn't mean someone is successful. 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Y'all do remember Rogan endorsed Bernie over Biden in 2020, right? He reluctantly said he'd rather vote for Trump over Biden but is no touting a 2024 Michelle Obama / Kamala Harris ticket as one he would heartily endorse and thinks would win. He calls Obama "the best president we've had in our lifetime."....

He's less a true right-wing moron than he is a one-size-fits-all moron. And his endorsement did almost nothing to help Bernie. It might have even harmed him because it got a bunch of moderate women's knickers in a twist about the prospect of a union of Bernie Bros and Bro Bros that never happened, and couldn't happen, because the concept of a legion of misogynistic Bernie Bros is a fiction concocted on the basis of a half-dozen dudes being dicks on Twitter, as if no other candidate had people being dicks on Twitter on their behalf.

Anyway, anti-vax stances are not necessarily the sole domain of Trumpalos and I think a lot of you think because he's anti-vax he's pro-Trump. No, he's in the "little knowledge is a dangerous thing" so many "ruggedly independent" Americans become because of our deep anti-intellectual streak.

Not white knighting for Rogan here, just the truth.

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by MaybeACoordinator

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

5 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Y'all do remember Rogan endorsed Bernie over Biden in 2020, right? He reluctantly said he'd rather vote for Trump over Biden but is no touting a 2024 Michelle Obama / Kamala Harris ticket as one he would heartily endorse and thinks would win. He calls Obama "the best president we've had in our lifetime."....

He's less a true right-wing moron than he is a one-size-fits-all moron. And his endorsement did almost nothing to help Bernie. It might have even harmed him because it got a bunch of moderate women's knickers in a twist about the prospect of a union of Bernie Bros and Bro Bros that never happened, and couldn't happen, because the concept of a legion of misogynistic Bernie Bros is a fiction concocted on the basis of a half-dozen dudes being dicks on Twitter, as if no other candidate had people being dicks on Twitter on their behalf.

Anyway, anti-vax stances are not necessarily the sole domain of Trumpalos and I think a lot of you think because he's anti-vax he's anti-Trump. No, he's in the "little knowledge is a dangerous thing" so many "ruggedly independent" Americans become because of our deep anti-intellectual streak.

Not white knighting for Rogan here, just the truth.

 

 

he is also a dumbass liar who is disseminating dis/misinfo. both things can be true

also, did you mean to say "I think a lot of you think because he's anti-vax he's pro-Trump"?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

19 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

he is also a dumbass liar who is disseminating dis/misinfo. both things can be true

also, did you mean to say "I think a lot of you think because he's anti-vax he's pro-Trump"?

yeah, corrected, thanks. I don't think he's a liar. I think he is a pure dumbass. I passed that meme along yesterday about the hamburger as pork thing thinking 100 percent it was satire. No, he really thinks that. I kind of wonder if he has CTE. America, home of the brain damaged thought leaders.

[Brisketexan 105278]

45 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Y'all do remember Rogan endorsed Bernie over Biden in 2020, right? He reluctantly said he'd rather vote for Trump over Biden but is no touting a 2024 Michelle Obama / Kamala Harris ticket as one he would heartily endorse and thinks would win. He calls Obama "the best president we've had in our lifetime."....

He's less a true right-wing moron than he is a one-size-fits-all moron. And his endorsement did almost nothing to help Bernie. It might have even harmed him because it got a bunch of moderate women's knickers in a twist about the prospect of a union of Bernie Bros and Bro Bros that never happened, and couldn't happen, because the concept of a legion of misogynistic Bernie Bros is a fiction concocted on the basis of a half-dozen dudes being dicks on Twitter, as if no other candidate had people being dicks on Twitter on their behalf.

Anyway, anti-vax stances are not necessarily the sole domain of Trumpalos and I think a lot of you think because he's anti-vax he's pro-Trump. No, he's in the "little knowledge is a dangerous thing" so many "ruggedly independent" Americans become because of our deep anti-intellectual streak.

Not white knighting for Rogan here, just the truth.

 

 

Yeah.....my criticism of him isn't based on a politician he endorses/doesn't endorse.  Honestly, I hadn't paid much attention to that.  My criticism of him is as an example of everything that's wrong with our discourse and reasoning.

Again, we used to champion sound, evidence-based reasoning.  Now, the dominant intellectual strain is the "just asking questions" variety of dumbassery, of which Rogan is a poster-child.  Actual conservatives of days past would have panned Rogan, not for his positions, but for his approach.  Buckley and Will have no use for him.  But now we live in a world where 1) to even criticize the "just asking questions" approach means you are a LIBERAL (that is how much anti-intellectualism has become the identity of the modern "right wing" -- to criticize the "just asking questions" bullshit is a direct challenge to the entire right wing movement).  Meaning 2) that Buckley and Will are pussy libtard RINOs.  Which, if you pay attention to what happens to the Lynne Cheneys of the world....is exactly what is happening.

My problem is with idiots idioting.  Historically, that meant I was critical of people all over the political map.  Now that the American right has planted its flag and built an impenetrable wall around the holy ground of "just asking questions" and "alternative facts" and such shit.....well, most of that criticism falls on people who either fall on the right or are defended by the right because "he's an anti-intellectual, he must be one of us!"

Edited January 18, 2022 by Brisketexan

[wildcat09 29377]

Here's a few Rogan comments from his interview with Robert Malone, who is a known antivax liar and who told dozens of lies in his interview with Rogan. He lied about the dangers and effectiveness of vaccines. He lied about the effectiveness of alternate treatments. He lied about the effectiveness of covid tests. He lied about hospitals fraudulently classifying covid patients to get money from the government.  He lied that the government is withholding monoclonal antibodies because they want more people sick.  He even lied and said that the medical community didn't want to treat people with covid because doctors were afraid of being exposed. He does this because he wants to market and sell alternative treatments, which he says have begun clinical trials. Here's Rogan in response to all of Malone's bullshit:

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JR: they removed you for not going along with whatever the tech narrative is because tech clearly has a censorship agenda when it comes to COVID in terms of treatment in terms of the whether or not you're promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy they can ban you for that they can ban you for in their eyes what they think is a justifiable offense and they're doing this and I don't know who these people are that are doing this but they're doing these this one of the most important things about you reading out your history like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines

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JR: well most certainly but also how disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people like you get silenced and silenced in this platform of social media where people are exchanging information they're posting up studies and you're discussing different parts of this pandemic that are in the news and what the issues may lie in and where your background and your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained because of the narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news and to watch you get silenced first of all to watch you get ostracized I've seen that I've seen people distance themselves from you I've seen people call you a crazy person and criticize you but with no specific thing to point to it became like a tag they put on you like oh that guy like I brought you up to someone and he goes oh that guy's crazy I go how so there was no answer

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JR: So would the assumption be that there's something that's happening to people that are vaccinated where it makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of Covid because this particular strain of Covid, this Omicron, is a vaccine escape variant meaning that it's sort of tried to find its way around the protection of the vaccine and selected for that?

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JR: If if there's some political motive if that's written anywhere someone's going to jail I mean if that if that comes out if that somehow another gets leaked Jesus fucking Christ that's scary.

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JR: That is wild and uh for me personally it's so confusing that I find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you on because I don't know where else this is gonna get out.

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JR: Well that's one of the more disturbing things, the the opposite of that, is one of the more disturbing things about this pandemic is how people have just decided because they're scared and because they want a solution that the pharmaceutical companies have their best interests at heart and that they're not these machines that are designed to make money. And they sell drugs and the drugs are often beneficial but their main goal is to make money and if they can fudge the data if they can move the numbers around if they can delete negative consequences.

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JR: Well I'm very grateful that there's courageous people like yourself that do put your reputations and your careers on the line by speaking out against the stuff when it is very difficult and when you do get deplatformed for doing that they know that by censoring you they're not just censoring you hey're also making others like you self-censor.

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JR: Wake up it's coming. If we give in to this, we give in to vaccine passports, and having an app on your phone that shows everything you're doing in terms of your medical history, and they've even offered people extra credit there was a article on yahoo about having access to your browser history and they they framed it in this very positive way that having access to your browser in history may allow you to receive extra credit so you would be available you you'd have credit available to buy a home or a car.

Rogan might be a complete fucking idiot who seriously believes all this shit, because he hears people criticize Malone and his instinctive reaction is contrarianism. That's not a fucking excuse. He's not just platforming Malone, he's enthusiastically endorsing conspiratorial and antivax bullshit to over ten million people during a fucking pandemic. Fuck him.

[hobbes2702 13058]

Strong post 

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

no, they fucking don't and yes they should. for the billionth fucking time, you're allowed to say whatever the fuck you want. that does not mean a private company has to give you a platform. that also doesn't mean that there aren't repercussions for what you say. the only right you have is against the GOVERNMENT silencing your speech. that's bad. censoring disinfo bros during the deadliest pandemic in generations, well that's fucking good and should be done. 

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

1 minute ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

no, you clearly do not. I can explain it to you, but I obviously cannot understand it for you. 

[hobbes2702 13058]

3 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

Can you read?

[SizzleChest 8284]

1 minute ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

No, he's saying Joe Rogan is irresponsibly using his platform to spread lies and misinformation, but at the same time he's pretending he's just a truth-seeker/teller and his podcast never caused anyone to make a poor health choice, get sick, and possibly die.

[aggie08 21525]

11 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

Please read the first five words of the First Amendment and rejoin the conversation when you're ready.

[Nope 3121]

I like the show but Rogan is OBSESSED with  COVID. I skip those episodes now because they are dreadfully boring.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Please read the first five words of the First Amendment and rejoin the conversation when you're ready.

 

[hpslugga 4062]

1 hour ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So as long as someone is saying something you agree with, then their right to free speech should be protected. Got it. 

Nah, you ain’t about that life.

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

So where's the part about how things aren't going "well" for Joe Rogan?

[hpslugga 4062]

10 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So where's the part about how things aren't going "well" for Joe Rogan?

You’d have to ask the original poster of the thread. Answers to the name @Parliament

[SizzleChest 8284]

44 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

So where's the part about how things aren't going "well" for Joe Rogan?

Have you now run out of questions to ask?

Nah.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

1 minute ago, SizzleChest said:

Have you now run out of questions to ask?

Nah.

the troll farm is formulating a new list for him. translating from russian to english takes time