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4 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

I mean, yeah it's obviously a coordinated and concentrated attack on him using old clips we all knew were there, but ya know what? Good, fuck him.

I'm not entirely comfortable with this kind of mashed up takedown where it's easy to clip someone out of general context BUT both Rogan and Spotify shit in their bed, now they have to clean their mess. It's literally in THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. Everyone knew this was out there, including Spotify so they were on notice and they knew what they were buying when they agreed to pay to be his exclusive provider. Rogan wouldn't be raked over the coals right now if Spotify had simply responded properly to his rampant covid disinformation and anti-vaxx garbage instead of doubling down and letting their subscribers know they weren't going to do anything at all to rein him in.

My issue with Rogan goes beyond covid. He has long been an enabler of some of the worst personalities and some of the most bad faith political actors of our time and his podcast became an essential gateway into the alt right with his constant normalizing of vile charlatans pandering to incel culture. He's sanitized transphobia, misogyny, white nationalism, and genetic determinism by regularly allowing people like Molyneux, Peterson, Doug Murray, Alex Jones, Milo Y, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, Gavin McInnes, Chuck Johnson  etc. He has habitually platformed reactionaries, conspiracy theorists, racists, and countless hours of despicable garbage, and those of us who hate him for it have a right to point it out and hammer Spotify for enabling and amplifying crazy ideas far outside the norm of acceptability. Crybaby libertarian/idw chuds/conservatives don't like seeing their #1 guy get slammed for sanitizing their abhorrent beliefs and can't distinguish true government censorship (banning books like Maus from school libraries/curriculum) with capitalism at work (private company facing customer revolt).

 

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Just to clarify what pieces of shit Joe Rogan, RFK Jr., and Elon Musk are. The doctor in the clip above has dedicated his life to developing vaccines and treatment for poor people suffering from tropi

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The only time I've ever listened to him was basically under duress.  I had an old friend and his lunatic wife who were basically begging me to watch the youtube clip of his podcast with Brett Weinstei

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It's truly amazing to see someone like Joe Rogan so artfully perfect the ability to shit out of their mouth instead of their anus.  And then to make millions off of selling the shit to dumb rubes stupid enough to agree?  Even though he has no principles, morals, or ethics; you have to at least respect the ability to manipulate so many morons.    

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1 hour ago, TurkeyChew said:

So much this.

Joe Rogan is winning, except he’s kinda in the Twittersphere dog house right now, and he’s not going anywhere because he is way too important to Spotify’s business model. Anyone getting worked up, one way or another, is just a dog looking to chase a car for a while.

 

So, this utterly misses the much bigger problem, which is....

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

McDonald's sells the most hamburgers.   It doesn't make it less crappy of a product.

^^^^^This.

It's bad that JR is a fucking idiot.  It's bad that he's a fucking asshole whose debating style is to shout down people who offer contrary facts.  It's really bad that he gives a platform to people who should not be given a platform in any decent society.  I'm sorry, it's a shitty thing to broadcast to the whole wide world white supremacist eugenics bullshit, or anti-vaxx propaganda that, when acted upon, literally gets people killed.

Those are bad.  But what is HORRIFIC is that he has a very large and super-devoted fan-base.  He is all the things I said above....and he has an army of millions who hang on his every word.  That's fucked up.  WE'RE fucked up.

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Also, for the DTers in this thread, the idea that Joe Rogan is some voice of anti-authoritarianism, anti-corporate, left-wing politics is fucking idiotic. If you believe that, you are likely a sucker who falls for the typical grifters like Dim Tool, Dave Rubin, Jimmy Dore, and Tulsi Gabbard. He is a product of the reactionary right-wing mindset, and he is also a useful tool for the far right because he helps them by claiming he's apoitical/socially liberal/Bernie supporter etc and then--like the aforementioned self-described "liberals"--spends much of his energy castigating the "far left" while sanitizing right-wing crazies to his audience of tens of millions. The con is tried and true--say you're a true liberal and then trash progressives for your audience of douchebros who hate their perception of all things SJW. 

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Left libertarians like me (and Noam Chomsky) have no party. Unlike Chomsky, I identify with market-oriented left-libertarianism. 
 

Since this nation (both Parties) embraces regressive right wing libertarian economics, which increase social and political strife, the policy goals for market-oriented left-libertarians (like myself) is to minimize the damage created by right wing libertarian fairy tales.

If the ultimate goal for the markets is efficiency, then negative externalities created by market participants are the responsibility of the participant, not society as a whole. 
 

an example of inefficient policy making:

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tldr - inefficiency is a hallmark of the Uniparty; obfuscation is one of their tools. Just an opinion and no offense intended to Biden or Hillary supporters.
 

Trump is on a different planet no seen since the Chicago Boys installed Pinochet in Chile. 

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54 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

I mean, yeah it's obviously a coordinated and concentrated attack on him using old clips we all knew were there, but ya know what? Good, fuck him.

I'm not entirely comfortable with this kind of mashed up takedown where it's easy to clip someone out of general context BUT both Rogan and Spotify shit in their bed, now they have to clean their mess. It's literally in THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. Everyone knew this was out there, including Spotify so they were on notice and they knew what they were buying when they agreed to pay to be his exclusive provider. Rogan wouldn't be raked over the coals right now if Spotify had simply responded properly to his rampant covid disinformation and anti-vaxx garbage instead of doubling down and letting their subscribers know they weren't going to do anything at all to rein him in.

My issue with Rogan goes beyond covid. He has long been an enabler of some of the worst personalities and some of the most bad faith political actors of our time and his podcast became an essential gateway into the alt right with his constant normalizing of vile charlatans pandering to incel culture. He's sanitized transphobia, misogyny, white nationalism, and genetic determinism by regularly allowing people like Molyneux, Peterson, Doug Murray, Alex Jones, Milo Y, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, Gavin McInnes, Chuck Johnson  etc. He has habitually platformed reactionaries, conspiracy theorists, racists, and countless hours of despicable garbage, and those of us who hate him for it have a right to point it out and hammer Spotify for enabling and amplifying crazy ideas far outside the norm of acceptability. Crybaby libertarian/idw chuds/conservatives don't like seeing their #1 guy get slammed for sanitizing their abhorrent beliefs and can't distinguish true government censorship (banning books like Maus from school libraries/curriculum) with capitalism at work (private company facing customer revolt).

 

The whole “you forced this character assassination on yourself by not giving in to our demands” seems pretty gross. There was a legitimate point to be made about Rogan’s responsibility with regard to Covid, but that’s been replaced with sour grapes it seems. I actually respected Spotify’s laissez faire stance, which also illustrates just how subjectively one could view a proper response. 

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20 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

The year is 2033 and Joe Rogan’s guests for his first State of the Union podcast are Canadian Prime Minister Jordan Peterson, his far right Secretary of State Tulsi Gabbard, and  Secretary of Transportation Kid Rock. It gets 150M streams on NPR video via his personal licensing deal. 

Yeah and Martin Cabello would be the secretary of education

 

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The year is 2033 and Joe Rogan’s guests for his first State of the Union podcast are Canadian Prime Minister Jordan Peterson, his far right Secretary of State Tulsi Gabbard, and  Secretary of Transportation Kid Rock. It gets 150M streams on NPR video via his personal licensing deal. 

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53 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

The whole “you forced this character assassination on yourself by not giving in to our demands” seems pretty gross. There was a legitimate point to be made about Rogan’s responsibility with regard to Covid, but that’s been replaced with sour grapes it seems. I actually respected Spotify’s laissez faire stance, which also illustrates just how subjectively one could view a proper response. 

Completely agree. 

I already don't have a Spotify account and I think podcasts are stupid and the only ones I can honestly say I've ever listened to were on this website with immamac and the beer chugging guy whose name escapes me.

Edit to add: That's a lie, years ago I listened to Serial and then S-town which gave me the impression that podcasts were the worst. The woooooorst. Though S-town was pretty funny at first.

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How is this still a story?

Rogan's entire schtick attracts listeners and also pushes some away. As long as the former > latter, Spotify will keep paying him.  Once/if it becomes untenable, they'll let him go. 

There are no deep conversations necessary about freedom of speech or whatever, it's just fucking capitalism. 

Also, if you are worried that the words that come out of your may mouth may one day be used against you, then don't record yourself talking for multiple hours every goddamn day for years.

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I’ve never listened much to Rogan. Very unpopular opinion but I think basically all podcasts are boring as fuck. You’re either listening to it as background noise and not fully tuning into the convo, or worse you’re just sitting there passively listening to people talk for hours. At that point it’s no different than TV or video games or scrolling social media. Nothing wrong with any of those but at least no one’s pretentious about doing those things like they are about listening to podcasts /rant

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1 hour ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

The year is 2033 and Joe Rogan’s guests for his first State of the Union podcast are Canadian Prime Minister Jordan Peterson, his far right Secretary of State Tulsi Gabbard, and  Secretary of Transportation Kid Rock. It gets 150M streams on NPR video via his personal licensing deal. 

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The only time I've ever listened to him was basically under duress.  I had an old friend and his lunatic wife who were basically begging me to watch the youtube clip of his podcast with Brett Weinstein.  This was summer 2020, and Rogan's topic was CRT.  She was somehow an early opponent of CRT, though the CRT she was railing against was far different than the definition of CRT now.  

Anyways, I finally gave in and watched a little bit of it, then had a nasty spat with them when I said, "So we have a guy who flunked out of college discussing how CRT is overtaking American colleges with a professor from Evergreen State University, which is literally the biggest fucking joke in higher education, and I'm supposed to learn something about my profession from this?"  

This was also my first data point in the theory that Trumpanzees are completely unable to discern credible, knowledgeable sources from pure unadulterated bullshit that appeals to them.  And I told them that, and I don't think we've spoken since.  And I don't miss them.  Also, she nearly died of covid last fall because she's not vaxed.

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18 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The only time I've ever listened to him was basically under duress.  I had an old friend and his lunatic wife who were basically begging me to watch the youtube clip of his podcast with Brett Weinstein.  This was summer 2020, and Rogan's topic was CRT.  She was somehow an early opponent of CRT, though the CRT she was railing against was far different than the definition of CRT now.  

Anyways, I finally gave in and watched a little bit of it, then had a nasty spat with them when I said, "So we have a guy who flunked out of college discussing how CRT is overtaking American colleges with a professor from Evergreen State University, which is literally the biggest fucking joke in higher education, and I'm supposed to learn something about my profession from this?"  

This was also my first data point in the theory that Trumpanzees are completely unable to discern credible, knowledgeable sources from pure unadulterated bullshit that appeals to them.  And I told them that, and I don't think we've spoken since.  And I don't miss them.  Also, she nearly died of covid last fall because she's not vaxed.

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

The only time I've ever listened to him was basically under duress.  I had an old friend and his lunatic wife who were basically begging me to watch the youtube clip of his podcast with Brett Weinstein.  This was summer 2020, and Rogan's topic was CRT.  She was somehow an early opponent of CRT, though the CRT she was railing against was far different than the definition of CRT now.  

Anyways, I finally gave in and watched a little bit of it, then had a nasty spat with them when I said, "So we have a guy who flunked out of college discussing how CRT is overtaking American colleges with a professor from Evergreen State University, which is literally the biggest fucking joke in higher education, and I'm supposed to learn something about my profession from this?"  

This was also my first data point in the theory that Trumpanzees are completely unable to discern credible, knowledgeable sources from pure unadulterated bullshit that appeals to them.  And I told them that, and I don't think we've spoken since.  And I don't miss them.  Also, she nearly died of covid last fall because she's not vaxed.

Never heard his podcast, but the first YouTube clip I ever saw of him he was talking to a comedian about Netflix. Rogan had no understanding of the difference between a company’s valuation and its profitability. 50 something year old guy learning something I learned freshman year of college. Hard to believe so many people trust him for everything. 
 

Who am I kidding, it’s not hard to believe at all.

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2 hours ago, Helobious said:

I’ve never listened much to Rogan. Very unpopular opinion but I think basically all podcasts are boring as fuck. You’re either listening to it as background noise and not fully tuning into the convo, or worse you’re just sitting there passively listening to people talk for hours. At that point it’s no different than TV or video games or scrolling social media. Nothing wrong with any of those but at least no one’s pretentious about doing those things like they are about listening to podcasts /rant

Well it really depends on how you use the medium. I have heard Dr. Richard Thaler (Nobel Prize winner in economics) discuss his work on behavioral economics on a podcast and learned a bit about ancient greece.

 

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Tangential to this topic of podcasts and the influence of content producers in our increasingly online world, if you've never listened to NY Times' 8-part series The Rabbit Hole, I highly recommend it. Great exploration into the intersection of gamer culture, the rise of YouTube stars, the YouTube recommendations algorithm, and eventually the Qanon movement. 

I'm sure many of you have heard it, but for those who haven't it's well worth your time. 

https://www.nytimes.com/column/rabbit-hole

 

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6 hours ago, TurkeyChew said:

McDonalds is a real estate company and franchise cartel who also sells crappy hamburgers.

Spotify is (trying to be, at least) an advertising company who also streams artists music for fractions of a penny. JRE is way too important to the strategy than any single artist or Twitter dogpile short of a body being found.

Were you confused by my post?  It the fact that something is popular does not make it good.  There I spelled it out for you.  Jesus.

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6 hours ago, Gourmand said:

My issue with Rogan goes beyond covid. He has long been an enabler of some of the worst personalities and some of the most bad faith political actors of our time and his podcast became an essential gateway into the alt right with his constant normalizing of vile charlatans pandering to incel culture. He's sanitized transphobia, misogyny, white nationalism, and genetic determinism by regularly allowing people like Molyneux, Peterson, Doug Murray, Alex Jones, Milo Y, Ben Shapiro, Tim Pool, Gavin McInnes, Chuck Johnson  etc.

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There are a shit-ton of people who would never admit to listening to Alex Jones, because "he's crazy", but they will happily buy into what the same people that show up on Alex Jones' show are selling, as long as it's on Rogan's show.  Doesn't matter if it's the same conspiracy theory/incel bullshit they are pushing, as long as it's on Rogan's show, they find it "interesting", because Rogan provides a sanitized platform for them and Rogan doesn't push back and say "wow, you're really fucking stupid."

I do get a chuckle at the thought of Jones being pissed off that his show gets dismissed as crazy, but the same guests go on Rogan's show and it's somehow legitimate.

Note: Jones really fucked himself with the Sandy Hook bullshit and a few other things.  If he had toned things way down, he might very well have a multi-million dollar podcasting deal somewhere.

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Note: Jones really fucked himself with the Sandy Hook bullshit and a few other things.  If he had toned things way down, he might very well have a multi-million dollar podcasting deal somewhere.

But, wouldn't that mean Jones is something other than batshit crazy?

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1 minute ago, SizzleChest said:

But, wouldn't that mean Jones is something other than batshit crazy?

At one time, it was pretty clear that he was putting on an act.  I've talked to him a few times many years ago, and had a friend who worked with/around him, and what you see these days is a 180 from back then.  I'd say he was having a lot of fun in his Bohemian Grove/Austin Public Access days.

Something happened though, and I have never looked at a timeline of his divorce, Obama, the 9/11 stuff, the Sandy Hook bullshit and then lawsuits, etc. so I couldn't point to when it happened, but something definitely happened.  

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23 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

At one time, it was pretty clear that he was putting on an act.  I've talked to him a few times many years ago, and had a friend who worked with/around him, and what you see these days is a 180 from back then.  I'd say he was having a lot of fun in his Bohemian Grove/Austin Public Access days.

Something happened though, and I have never looked at a timeline of his divorce, Obama, the 9/11 stuff, the Sandy Hook bullshit and then lawsuits, etc. so I couldn't point to when it happened, but something definitely happened.  

He discovered trans porn?

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4 hours ago, Helobious said:

I’ve never listened much to Rogan. Very unpopular opinion but I think basically all podcasts are boring as fuck. You’re either listening to it as background noise and not fully tuning into the convo, or worse you’re just sitting there passively listening to people talk for hours. At that point it’s no different than TV or video games or scrolling social media. Nothing wrong with any of those but at least no one’s pretentious about doing those things like they are about listening to podcasts /rant

Do you even Blueprint for Armageddon bro?

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