RIP Black Mamba: Kobe Bryant dead in helicopter crash CONFIRMED

[Braff Zacklin 13556]

41 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

You haven’t flown enough wealthy folks/celebs. They don’t hear the word “No” very often and many think that their money/fame exempts them from the laws of nature. 

Sounds like something a Jackson Hole charter pilot would say.

[GRHorn 105]

5 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

You haven’t flown enough wealthy folks/celebs. They don’t hear the word “No” very often and many think that their money/fame exempts them from the laws of nature. 

Also, you probably don’t get to cancel too many Kobe flights before he stops calling you. I’m sure the pilot was considering that. 

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

There's also the innate egocentric arrogance of "oh, hell, it's not going to happen to ME, right now" that we're all susceptible to. I am sure even a pilot's professional prudence is vulnerable to that kind of basic psychology.

He'd probably flown under equally bad or worse conditions in the past and come out all right, so there's a little bit of underlying confirmation bias going on too. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by SwanderedTalent

[Iceman 2696]

article points out some possible mistakes, but also recalls the pilot's overly cautious/ careful nature.  It was also clear when they departed Orange County, with visibility of 4 miles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash.html

[closetojumping 62568]

6 hours ago, markstanco said:

Yea this is weird as a pilot.

Synthetic Vision on an app on your ipad is $200 a year. I have literally landed with it even though not approved by the FAA. it would have showed the terrain and how close.

Having said that, he wasnt using it in a 2k per minute dive. I'm wondering if the NTSB report comes out something none of us expected.

Is anyone else both mildly terrified and completely unsurprised that marcstanco is flying people around using a $200 app that he downloaded from the app store? The concept of hopping into a plane or helicopter and marcstanco is running things up front is going to give me night terrors. 

[TornACL 7698]

9 hours ago, Deej said:

If being offensive is wrong, just shut down this site immediately. 

If you're going to be offensive, it helps if you're funny. 

[smuggs 9353]

So now although the pilot was rated for instrument flying, the chopper outfit as a whole was not certified to fly passengers in IFR conditions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2020/01/29/pilot-in-kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-wasnt-allowed-to-fly-by-instruments/#4974a74a26ea

 

Question - Obviously the chopper company is fucked. But if Kobe had a side deal with them to lease his own rig and use their best pilot to fly him anytime/anywhere, which would violate their company certification if that meant flying in IFR conditions, could his estate be held liable in this? There were 6 other non-Bryant passengers onboard.

[Iceman 2696]

His helo was 30 years old... why would that be on the manufacturer?

It's not Chevrolet's fault if I overload a truck and drive it down the highway and kill someone after losing control.

Edited January 31, 2020 by Iceman

[smuggs 9353]

8 minutes ago, Iceman said:

His helo was 30 years old... why would that be on the manufacturer?

Not the manufacturer, the operator. Island Express Helicopters.

Sorry - by 'chopper company' I meant the operator not the actual manufacturer of the bird. I should have been more clear.

 

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by smuggs

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

50 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Is anyone else both mildly terrified and completely unsurprised that marcstanco is flying people around using a $200 app that he downloaded from the app store? The concept of hopping into a plane or helicopter and marcstanco is running things up front is going to give me night terrors. 

My first wife is tarded. She's a pilot now. 

[Lat22 4010]

18 hours ago, XYZ said:

You can get a helicopter upside down?

I bet you can.  Actually living through it might not be as easy.

[Your Mom 4805]

My former Army helicopter pilot buddy jokes that flying a helicopter IFR is damn near an emergency situation to begin with. Even if you’re certified to do it you just don’t get much experience at it because of the helicopters ability to just go slow and stay low and out of the clouds. 10 years flying in the Army including combat deployments, he said he could count on one hand the number of times he flew in the clouds. They just don’t do it much because there’s almost never a need to. 
 

This guy never made the conscious decision to fly 180 knots into a valley in the fog. He made one small bad decision at a time and each of those decisions inched him closer to that final spot.  It can be really easy to make bad decisions when that one decision alone isn’t going to kill you and not see the culmination of the whole chain of events. 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Your Mom

[XYZ 2154]

But it’s possible that the crash was caused by a mechanical failure and not human error, right?

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

9 minutes ago, XYZ said:

But it’s possible that the crash was caused by a mechanical failure and not human error, right?

Anything is possible, but that would be an unlikely conclusion based on what's in front of us. The home security video tells a decent part of the story. 

[markstanco 12573]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Is anyone else both mildly terrified and completely unsurprised that marcstanco is flying people around using a $200 app that he downloaded from the app store? The concept of hopping into a plane or helicopter and marcstanco is running things up front is going to give me night terrors. 

No, you cant use it as primary navigation.  It is a great backup though if something goes out.  Gamin on the firewall is my primary nav. 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

8 minutes ago, XYZ said:

But it’s possible that the crash was caused by a mechanical failure and not human error, right?

Always. 

6 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Sounds like something a Jackson Hole charter pilot would say.

Jackson Hole was actually pretty benign compared to Castlegar or Telluride. And yes, I’ve seen more than a few people go ballistic when they were told that they couldn’t overload the plane and clear the mountains or skip the de-ice in a near blizzard that day. Had to talk one moron into just flying from Hilton Head directly to Houston for his cancer treatment instead of trying to fly into the edge of a hurricane in Florida before hopping another private flight the next day to...Houston. Hurricanes....no problem. Miss some radiation and chemo?  Oh. Maybe I shouldn’t fly into that hurricane. 

1 hour ago, smuggs said:

So now although the pilot was rated for instrument flying, the chopper outfit as a whole was not certified to fly passengers in IFR conditions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2020/01/29/pilot-in-kobe-bryant-helicopter-crash-wasnt-allowed-to-fly-by-instruments/#4974a74a26ea

 

Question - Obviously the chopper company is fucked. But if Kobe had a side deal with them to lease his own rig and use their best pilot to fly him anytime/anywhere, which would violate their company certification if that meant flying in IFR conditions, could his estate be held liable in this? There were 6 other non-Bryant passengers onboard.

I doubt Bryant had the first clue that the helo operator was violating his ops specs. 

1 hour ago, Iceman said:

His helo was 30 years old... why would that be on the manufacturer?

It's not Chevrolet's fault if I overload a truck and drive it down the highway and kill someone after losing control.

Deepest pockets is always a thing when suing in aviation. 

[Eastwood 4394]

30 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Deepest pockets is always a thing when suing in aviation. 

Fixed that for you...

[Vic Mackey 47012]

[Gene Parmesan 4004]

Is that a postmortem mural of Kobe

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

22 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

It's like Damon Wayans and Jean Reno fucked. 

[Sbbruin 21830]

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Is anyone else both mildly terrified and completely unsurprised that marcstanco is flying people around using a $200 app that he downloaded from the app store? The concept of hopping into a plane or helicopter and marcstanco is running things up front is going to give me night terrors. 

[Fuck Tim Beck 3815]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Kobe had da beetus? 

[EE2B 1565]

Is anyone else both mildly terrified and completely unsurprised that marcstanco is flying people around using a $200 app that he downloaded from the app store? The concept of hopping into a plane or helicopter and marcstanco is running things up front is going to give me night terrors. 

Just imagine how it is for those of us who do know him. I must admit I do know people who have flown with him and lived, so the internet must not have went down those days.

[Chooky 13307]

5 hours ago, TornACL said:

If you're going to be offensive, it helps if you're funny. 

That was the problem.  There was no joke or comedic structure.  It wasn't gallows humor or "anything goes in comedy" type of dark humor.  It was just malice.  It's just shitting on your neighbors coffee table and blaming everybody for not appreciating your style of performance art.  People are crazy and dumb and someone will likely try to fuck him up, which is equally insane.  Getting attention is pretty easy.  Well, Ari got some attention.

  

 

[EE2B 1565]

[Chewbacca 7767]

15 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

Yep, and this dude within the last year drugged his friend Bert Kriescher in front of his kids. Stand up guy

Yeah, I can't believe Bert still talks to him after that one.  He had no remorse and thought it was funny even after Bert told him how fucked up it was.  

 

That would be a one way ticket to the end of the friendship if anyone ever did that to me.

['stache 21801]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

['stache 21801]

15 hours ago, Deej said:

If being offensive is wrong, just shut down this site immediately. 

There is legitimate criticism about the rape situation, but it's not funny. And he ties it into "hating the Lakers." I am indifferent towards the Lakers, I have serious concerns about his character because of the rape allegations, I don't in any way relish in his death, and none of it is at all funny. I can appreciate dark and gallow humor where intended, but he had no intention of being funny, just cruel.

[Rimbo 25915]

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Edited January 31, 2020 by Rimbo

[Rimbo 25915]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

There is legitimate criticism about the rape situation, but it's not funny. And he ties it into "hating the Lakers." I am indifferent towards the Lakers, I have serious concerns about his character because of the rape allegations, I don't in any way relish in his death, and none of it is at all funny. I can appreciate dark and gallow humor where intended, but he had no intention of being funny, just cruel.

See, I agree with you. And when he says he does this for all dead celebrities, that is no defense in my mind. I might legitimately dance on the graves of certain dead celebrities, but I'm not going to brag about it within days of said passing.

And even though I don't like Kobe, his death is still tragic and too soon.

The guy also put a lot of crap in his tweet (hating the Lakers, liberal Hollywood, etc) that had nothing to do with "ending hero worship." So that's bullshit, too.

[Hate 20107]

[Sbbruin 21830]

Gonna head out in a bit. Tip is 7:30 but the Lakers sent out a notice to have butts in seats by 7, which means they are going to do something pretty significant if it's a half hour before tip. They are also doing this:


Put a few tissues in my pocket. Melo is sitting as he says he's not ready.

[Sbbruin 21830]

 

[Quagmire 2147]

Lol this shits getting ridiculous , people just makeup shit for attention

[Underdog 28585]

GD, Melo.  That's tough.  

Chin up, Bruin.  

[Wally Pryor 5261]

4 hours ago, Hate said:

 

 

Dear Lord.  

What # did he put on that jersey?    36?

[Wally Pryor 5261]

2 hours ago, Quagmire said:

Lol this shits getting ridiculous , people just makeup shit for attention

Unfortunately, there may have been a body part or two in close proximity to the other.   But that's about it.

Such is the bitch that is a high speed impact crash.

[Radical Larry 28566]

 

[Underdog 28585]

Kudos to the NBA & Lakers for keeping the others that also perished and their families in their thoughts. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21056]

That mural looks like Ron Artest and Sloth raped each other. 

Here's an excellent essay about Kobe. Apologies if it's already been posted. 

 

[dad 557]

[Stunns38 3460]

[Sbbruin 21830]

Well, that was as emotional an event I’ve been to other than a funeral/memorial.  Yes, we lost, but that house was feeling Kobe all night.  I know you all hate the Lakers, and I don’t blame you.  I hate the Yankees with a passion.  But the Lakers ARE the premier team in the NBA, and I really hope and pray AD and LBJ lead us back where we belong.

[Sbbruin 21830]

Usher singing “Amazing Grace”

 

[Sbbruin 21830]

Dp 

 

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by Sbbruin

[Iceman 2696]

22 hours ago, smuggs said:

Not the manufacturer, the operator. Island Express Helicopters.

Sorry - by 'chopper company' I meant the operator not the actual manufacturer of the bird. I should have been more clear.

 

 

You might be very correct, sir...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/operator-downed-helicopter-kobe-bryant-014718154.html

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2732]

Well, that was as emotional an event I’ve been to other than a funeral/memorial.  Yes, we lost, but that house was feeling Kobe all night.  I know you all hate the Lakers, and I don’t blame you.  I hate the Yankees with a passion.  But the Lakers ARE the premier team in the NBA, and I really hope and pray AD and LBJ lead us back where we belong.

I don’t, how the hell you can you lose to Portland at home on a night like that?
Come on man!

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Usher singing “Amazing Grace”
 

Those were your seats? I bet stubhub had those at like 4-5k per ticket

[Lat22 4010]

9 hours ago, dad said:

 

That’s a very interesting watch if you want to know what probably happened. 

[Brew 3049]

7 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Well, that was as emotional an event I’ve been to other than a funeral/memorial.  Yes, we lost, but that house was feeling Kobe all night.  I know you all hate the Lakers, and I don’t blame you.  I hate the Yankees with a passion.  But the Lakers ARE the premier team in the NBA, and I really hope and pray AD and LBJ lead us back where we belong.

Glad you got a chance to be there. From all accounts the Lakers did a hell of a job putting it together. It’s going to be interesting to see what the next few weeks bring for the team. There is still a memorial and funeral to get through as well as meaningful games to be played not to mention the pressure they are going to put on themselves to win it all for Kobe as well as other teams trying to step it up like Lillard did last night.