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26 minutes ago, Pods said:

The autocorrect on here is weird when you paste articles. If you go in and try to edit and take out the pictures, or the giant title, it converts the other nearby font to the size of the caption or title. Pretty sure that's what happened to Hugo there. 

Yeah, I have to go back and forth on a phone to avoid copying the ads.  The font acted up on some pasting.  Whatever.

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If it's revealed he lied I'm as positive about anything that Brisket Goth wouldn't hesitate even a second to call him a pants on fire doo doo head. But what's fascinating here is your sudden into

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29 minutes ago, Pods said:

The autocorrect on here is weird when you paste articles. If you go in and try to edit and take out the pictures, or the giant title, it converts the other nearby font to the size of the caption or title. Pretty sure that's what happened to Hugo there. 

I think the solution is to change to plain text.

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Had the same thing that happened to Hugo happen to an article I posted earlier. If i do control + v, it's sometimes jacked. Was a pain in the ass until I figured out to click paste and match style.  

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That really is something that just blows me away. Why do you support this guy? “BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT’S WHY!” That’s it. End of reasoning. Sure, they try to cloak it with an issue or two from time to time, but for the bulk of Trumpkins...that’s it.

Everything awful about our human nature, distilled and personified.

Saw this on Texags. It perfectly encapsulates the support for Trump. 

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I'd rather someone lie to me and be a conservative than be honest and of good character and be a liberal.

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That really is something that just blows me away. Why do you support this guy? “BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT’S WHY!” That’s it. End of reasoning. Sure, they try to cloak it with an issue or two from time to time, but for the bulk of Trumpkins...that’s it.

Everything awful about our human nature, distilled and personified.

“I have no principles whatsoever, but I like making other people mad.”

-every Trump supporter

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25 minutes ago, bolverk said:

This is the answer for those on a laptop or PC. Right-click to paste special and select plain text.

For me a black bar shows up when I paste something and gives me the option to change a paste to plain text.  Fone gives me the option as part of the "paste" dialog.

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I'd rather someone lie to me and be a conservative than be honest and of good character and be a liberal.

I can't even wrap my brain around this moronic line of "thinking".

And this why the Trumpkins are such a fucking drain on this country.  Spouting the party line - EVEN IF THAT SPOUTING IS A LIE - ranks higher than an honest liberal of good character.

I really hate myself when I have the fleeting thought that this country will be so much better of when these 55+ year old Trumpkins finally die because my dad falls into that category.

I guess I must still have a deeply hidden faith in my fellow citizens that I'm still shocked that actual people think and feel these things.

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

For me a black bar shows up when I paste something and gives me the option to change a paste to plain text.  Fone gives me the option as part of the "paste" dialog.

print it as a pdf and you should be able to save it and then copy and post.

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Giuliani Says Trump Would Not Have to Comply With Mueller Subpoena

WASHINGTON — Rudolph W. Giuliani, who recently joined President Trump’s legal team, said on Sunday that Mr. Trump would not have to cooperate with a subpoena if one were issued by the special counsel investigating Russian interference into the presidential election, adding that the president could invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

“We don’t have to” comply, Mr. Giuliani said on ABC’s “This Week” program. “He’s the President of the United States. We can assert the same privileges other presidents have.”

Mr. Giuliani, who was hired by Mr. Trump to help manage communication between the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and the White House, met with the special counsel’s office late last month shortly after being hired. He said that he and Jay Sekulow, another lawyer for Mr. Trump, were in agreement that the president should avoid speaking with Mr. Mueller.

“Not after the way they’ve acted,” he said, referring to a list of questions that the special counsel would like to ask Mr. Trump. Those questions were reported by The New York Times.

But he said he did not know whether Mr. Trump would invoke the Fifth Amendment.

“How can I ever be confident of that?” Mr. Giuliani said. “When I’m facing a situation with the president and all the other lawyers are, in which every lawyer in America thinks he would be a fool to testify, I’ve got a client who wants to testify.”

Mr. Giuliani’s television interview on Sunday was his first extended appearance since being criticized by Mr. Trump for not having his “facts straight” about payments made to a pornographic actress, Stephanie Clifford. Mr. Giuliani said on Sunday it was possible Mr. Trump’s personal attorney, Michael D. Cohen, made additional payments to other women on the president’s behalf.

“I have no knowledge of that, but I would think if it was necessary, yes,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Mr. Cohen “made payments for the president, or he conducted business for the president, which means he had legal fees, moneys laid out and expenditures,” Mr. Giuliani said, giving his explanation for why Mr. Cohen would have made payments to Ms. Clifford, who goes by the stage name Stormy Daniels.

On Wednesday, Mr. Giuliani contradicted the president when he said on Fox News that Mr. Trump reimbursed Mr. Cohen for a $130,000 payment that Mr. Cohen has said he made to keep Ms. Clifford from making public a story about an affair she claims she had with Mr. Trump. When asked in April by reporters traveling on Air Force One whether he knew about the payment, Mr. Trump said he did not.

The Wednesday admission, which caught Mr. Trump’s White House staff off guard, caused an uproar, and prompted Mr. Trump to attempt to clarify the nature of payments he made to Mr. Cohen. The morning after Mr. Giuliani’s comments, Mr. Trump said on Twitter that Mr. Cohen “received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA.”

But just 24 hours later, he told reporters gathered outside the White House that Mr. Giuliani did not in fact know the particulars of the case, even after Mr. Giuliani told The New York Times Wednesday night that he had spoken with the president before and after his interview on Fox News, and that Mr. Trump and other lawyers on the team were aware of what he would say.

“Virtually everything said has been said incorrectly, and it’s been said wrong, or it’s been covered wrong by the press,” Mr. Trump said on Friday. “He’ll get his facts straight.”

Seeming to chastise Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump added: “You know what? Learn before you speak. It’s a lot easier.”

Some of Mr. Trump’s legal and political advisers believe Mr. Giuliani’s comments could put the president in legal jeopardy, since federal officials are required to report liabilities of more than $10,000 during the preceding year. Mr. Trump’s last disclosure, which he signed last June, does not mention any debt to Mr. Cohen.

On Sunday, Mr. Giuliani tried to clarify what Mr. Trump called a “retainer.”

“The retainer agreement was to repay expenses, which turns out to have included this one,” Mr. Giuliani said on ABC.

Mr. Giuliani also referred to the sum Ms. Clifford received as a “nuisance” payment.

“I never thought $130,000 was a real payment,” Mr. Giuliani said. “People don’t go away for $130,000.”

On the same show Sunday morning, Ms. Clifford’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti, called Mr. Giuliani’s interview an “absolute, unmitigated disaster” and “one of the worst TV appearances by any attorney on behalf of a client in modern times.”

“He now expects the American people to believe that he doesn’t really know the facts,” Mr. Avenatti added. “I think it is obvious to the American people that this is a cover-up, that they are making it up as they go along.”

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“We don’t have to” comply, Mr. Giuliani said on ABC’s “This Week” program. “He’s the President of the United States. We can assert the same privileges other presidents have.”

He'll get the same response too. Trump can either sit down voluntarily, or plead the 5th, or fire Rosenstein and others until someone fires Mueller. Trump has never had any intention of actually sitting down with Mueller because Trump cannot lie to Mueller and get away with it.

Trump's entire M.O. is to lie and then lie about the lie Inception style until no one can remember the original questions or statements. That's going to lead to a dozen perjury charges at a minimum if he ever sat down with Mueller. Combine that with the fact that Trump is absolutely guilty of just about everything we know publicly and probably a fair bit we don't. Trump is also a narcissistic buffoon that will tell you whatever you want with the right combo of flattery and challenge about whether he could actually pull it off. The best way to make sure that Mueller absolutely nails Trump and all of his collaborators is to have him sit down under oath with Mueller. Since Rudy is his attorney and also involved in the True Pundit scandal and leaking information from the same FBI agents he's now calling "Nazi Stormtroopers", if the chance wasn't zero before, it certainly is now. Rudy get implicated if Trump testifies, that's why he's there to muck up this process as much as he can. 

Trump will not interview with Mueller, he has never had any intention of sitting down for an interview with Mueller. This whole thing with "I want to testify, but my attorney's won't let me" has been yet one more string of lies from Trump and it's been obvious the entire time. 

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Cohen and intervenors (Trump + Trump Org) are supposed to send their first set of privilege designations to the Special Master today. Timeline for concluding the privilege review will be provided to the court probably next week sometime. Every indication is that this will not be an incredibly long or drawn out process 

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2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

My money is that Cohen will quietly plead to lying to federal investigators after agreeing to cooperate, rather than be slapped publicly with a series of crimes and 100+ years in prison 

Thing is though. I don't think they're letting people off that easy.  We have no clue what they had Papa, Flynn and VDZ on, but can't imagine it was Manafort-esque.

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Yeah, I don't really have any fucking clue what they have Cohen.  But, considering how fast Trump is running from Cohen, my guess is that it's significant. 

My understanding is that Cohen is basically trump's consigliere and makes things "go away" for him. He knows where the skeletons are buried, mainly because he held the shovel. 

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I think some of you guys are giving Trump too much credit.  He's not the Godfather.  I'm sure he's had dealings with organized crime, including Russian, which have been favorable to both parties.  But he's the guy who is asking for favors, not the one granting them. 

It seems obvious that Cohen was doing Trump's dirty work - some legal, some probably illegal as indicated by the unusual step of the Feds raiding his office.  I just don't know what, specifically, it was related to.  It's possible it has something to do with Russia and the campaign.  From the timing of the Mueller referral, it seems likely it was related to paying off Stormy Daniels or the playboy bunny.  If it was, it may have been related to campaign finance laws or hiring a goon to intimidate her.  But it's also possible the timing was coincidental and the search has nothing to do with porn star payoffs. 

Something that I find incredible that doesn't more press in all this: he was the deputy campaign finance chairman of the Republican Party.  In the absence of anything else, that should be a big deal.  This guy appears to be dirty as fuck, and the RNC gave him some level of control over fundraising.  Yet the news is focused on Stormy Daniels.  I get it; she has big tits. 

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19 minutes ago, Captainant said:

My understanding is that Cohen is basically trump's consigliere and makes things "go away" for him. He knows where the skeletons are buried, mainly because he held the shovel. 

A shovel with a tape recorder.

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Something that I find incredible that doesn't more press in all this: he was the deputy campaign finance chairman of the Republican Party.  In the absence of anything else, that should be a big deal.  This guy appears to be dirty as fuck, and the RNC gave him some level of control over fundraising.  Yet the news is focused on Stormy Daniels.  I get it; she has big tits. 

Also Cambridge Analytica worked directly with GOP after Trump received the party nomination. 

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Re Trump/Russia and Cohen (who has family Ukrainian ties), keep this in mind from almost 15 months ago per NYT:

A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates:

"A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker [ Andrey Artemenko, member of Ukraine parliament/part of far-right Radical Party] trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort."

 

What followed was a weird attempt to backpedal, deny, and cover-up:

Lawmaker: 'I got confirmation' my Russia-Ukraine plan was delivered to White House, despite what Trump lawyer says

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"A week before Michael T. Flynn resigned as national security adviser, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.

Mr. Flynn is gone, having been caught lying about his own discussion of sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But the proposal, a peace plan for Ukraine and Russia, remains, along with those pushing it: Michael D. Cohen, the president’s personal lawyer, who delivered the document; Felix H. Sater, a business associate who helped Mr. Trump scout deals in Russia; and a Ukrainian lawmaker [ Andrey Artemenko, member of Ukraine parliament/part of far-right Radical Party] trying to rise in a political opposition movement shaped in part by Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort."

 

 

Interesting.  Artemenko later faced a treason investigation in the Ukraine (no word on its findings) and was later stripped of his citizenship, ostensibly because he had received Canadian citizenship in 2005. 

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Also, I think the fact that his investigation/prosecution was flipped to the SDNY means there's evidence of  pretty significant criminal activity unrelated to the Mueller investigation.  Still may make him a cooperation "target," but it's not like Mueller is going to "gin up" serious charges and then forget about them in return for an obstruction or perjury plea.

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Also, I think the fact that his investigation/prosecution was flipped to the SDNY means there's evidence of  pretty significant criminal activity unrelated to the Mueller investigation.  Still may make him a cooperation "target," but it's not like Mueller is going to "gin up" serious charges and then forget about them in return for an obstruction or perjury plea.

That’s my thinking as well.

Mueller went looking for Russia related payments and account activity...maybe he found some, maybe not. But once he got into Cohen’s finances...it was a buffet of shenanigans. He served it up to the SDNY.
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@TwiceHorn and @Brisketexan <- agreed.

We've also seen a number of stories about Cohen's shady taxi medallion business and back taxes, along with his mob ties. Based on how other stories have broken, my guess is that there is a lot more meat on that bone to come.  

If Cohen flips, he's likely going to provide evidence to Mueller, the SDNY and new NY AG. Otherwise, he'll still have significant criminal liability to the ones he doesn't cooperate with. 

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6 hours ago, triplehorn said:

Lawmaker: 'I got confirmation' my Russia-Ukraine plan as delivered to White House, despite what Trump lawyer says

^^^ Re that article from 2/2017 on  Cohen, Sater, and Artemenko delivering on a plan for Russia/Ukraine relations in exchange for sanctions lifting, I noticed this:

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"Andrey Artemenko, a member of Ukraine's parliament who used to be part of the country's far-right Radical Party, said he met with Cohen and Sater at the Loews Regency New York on January 27 to discuss Artemenko's proposal for solving the Russia-Ukraine conflict."


 

Likely the same  room suite at the Loews Regency the FBI entered in the Cohen raid last month.

 

 

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It would be interesting to see what he got for it because that guy that died in the Trump Tower fire couldn't unload his. Maybe Deutsche Bank gave him a good deal.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/pskgpwr15r48tx5/Executive Summary.pdf?dl=0

So the same LLC that Cohen formed to pay off Stormy Daniels was used for multiple other transactions including $500,000 from a Russian Company and $400,000 from a Swiss Pharmaceutical company right before Trump had an unplanned dinner with their CEO? 

That kind of seems big. 

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