Texas AD Chris Del Conte

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

"In addition to its operating expenses, Texas' athletics program reported making a separate $10.8 million transfer to the university. That type of transfer, beyond operating expenses, occurs annually at Texas. Over the past five years, the athletics department has sent roughly $50 million to the university in this manner."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/01/15/texas-athletics-program-had-over-219-million-revenue-2018/2586818002/

I'll say it again: UT is a better academic institution because of the football program.  Caring about football and caring about academics are not mutually exclusive.  It's all one big brand and one big general fund.

To add to this, the more the athletic department makes the higher that donation/transfer gets. So it’s highly imperative to get this hire right and get a guy that can win. 
 

It’s crazy to think but the success that Bama has had and the money rolling in because of the football program has paved the way for hundreds of millions of dollars in campus and academic improvements for their institution. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[TwiceHorn 31452]

5 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

Our AD needs to be fired if this is true.  He’s going rogue and publicly telling the media Herman will be back in 2021 when that hasn’t been decided and it’s not his call?  What?

The damn ESPN ticker had this as the “lead” item all throughout CFB broadcasts yesterday.  It’s not even like you could wave it off as “no harm, no foul” at this point.  This ensures a giant shit show if we reverse course and fire Herman.  

This would be so stupid, and so insubordinate from CDC, that frankly I have to believe it’s Burton trying to keep subscribers engaged for his bottom line.   If it’s real then CDC should be getting his walking papers.   Nobody operates like this in the real world without consequences if they’re not the one in charge.  The more likely explanation is he said Herman is coming back because Herman is coming back.

Maybe he said Herman is our coach, for now and "going into 2021."

[David Dennison 18854]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

"In addition to its operating expenses, Texas' athletics program reported making a separate $10.8 million transfer to the university. That type of transfer, beyond operating expenses, occurs annually at Texas. Over the past five years, the athletics department has sent roughly $50 million to the university in this manner."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/01/15/texas-athletics-program-had-over-219-million-revenue-2018/2586818002/

I'll say it again: UT is a better academic institution because of the football program.  Caring about football and caring about academics are not mutually exclusive.  It's all one big brand and one big general fund.

So, five percent.

Allsome.

Edited December 14, 2020 by David Dennison

[Randolph Duke 4034]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

in a recent conversation with our resident aggy, a number of $1 Billion Dollars was the value placed on winning a football national championship.

Lol. Is that in 1939 dollars? 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, ousux said:

Plot twist, umm...Kelly McGillis isnt what she seems

 

 

[AustinMT 952]

Chuck Carlton’s article in the DMN.  He compares CDC to the Simpson’s huckster pushing the monorail (which, by the way, I did in a post many pages back...):

Texas AD Chris Del Conte is a great salesman, but his pitch for keeping Tom Herman was confusing

After the last couple of months, the easy part for Chris Del Conte should have been announcing Tom Herman was back for 2021.

Nevermind the pursuit of Urban Meyer or the controversy over “The Eyes of Texas” or a disappointing 6-3 regular season. If you’ve decided as athletic director at Texas that Tom Herman is back as your football coach for 2021, then you say it.

Clearly.

Unambiguously.

 

Instead, Del Conte’s statement Saturday left way too much room for interpretation. Was Texas bringing Herman back? Was it the dreaded vote of confidence? A way to calm the recruiting waters?

It was way too confusing for an AD whose strength is supposed to be communication – and sent the wrong message when decisiveness was needed.

 

Given the targeting of Meyer, the national championship coach who chose to stay put at Fox Sports because of health concerns, this was bound to be awkward. But before going after Meyer, Del Conte needed a solid Plan B.

If that was Herman, a logical choice given his buyout, limited success and the global pandemic, then you embrace Plan B. Del Conte already gave Herman an extension after the Sugar Bowl. So own this and express confidence, not a half-hearted, confusing statement that seemed to give Herman a stiff-arm.

The episode exposed that Del Conte still is growing into the job at Texas after two years since coming from TCU.

What Del Conte brings to the table is backslapping, my-man salesmanship turned to 11.

There’s a classic early episode of “The Simpsons” where Springfield gets $3 million because of EPA violations at the nuclear power plant. A salesman named Lyle Lanley, voiced by the great Phil Hartman, shows up and convinces Springfield it needs, yes, a monorail.

That’s Del Conte. Need a pile of cash to finish the south end zone expansion at DKR or a deal-maker for new basketball arena or some other project, yeah, he’s the guy. He’s fine to converse with boosters, donors, businessmen, people he’s never met and convince them to commit cash.

On the meatier side of the job, we don’t know if Del Conte is the next coming of DeLoss Dodds, like people hoped when he was hired.

At TCU, he benefitted from a pretty narrow world view. People and media loved the narrative of Gary Patterson and BCS buster making it to the Big 12. That was about it, outside of Tarrant County.

At a sports business forum, Del Conte once bragged that he didn’t care what a casual fan in Plano thought of TCU. That’s not halfway around the world, it’s barely half the way across north Texas.

 

At Texas, the fish bowl is more like the Pacific Ocean.

Everything is magnified, especially football.

For all his faults, Herman seemed to thread “The Eyes of Texas” needle pretty well this summer until the Sam Ehlinger pictures from the Oklahoma game surfaced. Del Conte needed to have acted long before he did to avoid his coach becoming a lightning rod.

And while most fans understand waiting for the end of the season to pass judgment on a coach, then make it a statement with teeth, for good or bad.

Texas, Del Conte and Herman could very well be at this same spot in a year or less, given the talent outflow at Texas.

At that point, Del Conte needs to handle that moment more decisively than Saturday.

Edited December 14, 2020 by AustinMT

[Rip76 4925]

3 hours ago, TexArcher said:I'll say it again: UT is a better academic institution because of the football program.  Caring about football and caring about academics are not mutually exclusive.  It's all one big brand and one big general fund.

I said this a few weeks back and basically got laughed at.

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 hour ago, Cajun said:

 

 

Take My Breadth Away

Edited December 14, 2020 by clapclapclap
I know, I know, we'll all get old at some point

[Woolie 1]

1 hour ago, Cajun said:

 

 

Is this the woman who ate Kelly McGillis?

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

Take My Bread Away

If someone had cared, it woulda been that.

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, Woolie said:

Is this the woman who ate Kelly McGillis?

I remember seeing Top Gun for the first time and upon laying eyes on Kelly McGillis the 2:45 mark from this movie instantly popped into my head and wouldn't leave for the rest of my time in the theater -- 

https://youtu.be/dCs7pl3ZMeY

[runthebone 7976]

2 hours ago, AustinMT said:

Chuck Carlton’s article in the DMN.  He compares CDC to the Simpson’s huckster pushing the monorail (which, by the way, I did in a post many pages back...):

Texas AD Chris Del Conte is a great salesman, but his pitch for keeping Tom Herman was confusing

After the last couple of months, the easy part for Chris Del Conte should have been announcing Tom Herman was back for 2021.

Nevermind the pursuit of Urban Meyer or the controversy over “The Eyes of Texas” or a disappointing 6-3 regular season. If you’ve decided as athletic director at Texas that Tom Herman is back as your football coach for 2021, then you say it.

Clearly.

Unambiguously.

 

Instead, Del Conte’s statement Saturday left way too much room for interpretation. Was Texas bringing Herman back? Was it the dreaded vote of confidence? A way to calm the recruiting waters?

It was way too confusing for an AD whose strength is supposed to be communication – and sent the wrong message when decisiveness was needed.

 

Given the targeting of Meyer, the national championship coach who chose to stay put at Fox Sports because of health concerns, this was bound to be awkward. But before going after Meyer, Del Conte needed a solid Plan B.

If that was Herman, a logical choice given his buyout, limited success and the global pandemic, then you embrace Plan B. Del Conte already gave Herman an extension after the Sugar Bowl. So own this and express confidence, not a half-hearted, confusing statement that seemed to give Herman a stiff-arm.

The episode exposed that Del Conte still is growing into the job at Texas after two years since coming from TCU.

What Del Conte brings to the table is backslapping, my-man salesmanship turned to 11.

There’s a classic early episode of “The Simpsons” where Springfield gets $3 million because of EPA violations at the nuclear power plant. A salesman named Lyle Lanley, voiced by the great Phil Hartman, shows up and convinces Springfield it needs, yes, a monorail.

That’s Del Conte. Need a pile of cash to finish the south end zone expansion at DKR or a deal-maker for new basketball arena or some other project, yeah, he’s the guy. He’s fine to converse with boosters, donors, businessmen, people he’s never met and convince them to commit cash.

On the meatier side of the job, we don’t know if Del Conte is the next coming of DeLoss Dodds, like people hoped when he was hired.

At TCU, he benefitted from a pretty narrow world view. People and media loved the narrative of Gary Patterson and BCS buster making it to the Big 12. That was about it, outside of Tarrant County.

At a sports business forum, Del Conte once bragged that he didn’t care what a casual fan in Plano thought of TCU. That’s not halfway around the world, it’s barely half the way across north Texas.

 

At Texas, the fish bowl is more like the Pacific Ocean.

Everything is magnified, especially football.

For all his faults, Herman seemed to thread “The Eyes of Texas” needle pretty well this summer until the Sam Ehlinger pictures from the Oklahoma game surfaced. Del Conte needed to have acted long before he did to avoid his coach becoming a lightning rod.

And while most fans understand waiting for the end of the season to pass judgment on a coach, then make it a statement with teeth, for good or bad.

Texas, Del Conte and Herman could very well be at this same spot in a year or less, given the talent outflow at Texas.

At that point, Del Conte needs to handle that moment more decisively than Saturday.

Conan wrote that episode, an all-time great one.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Del Conte has hired well at Texas, snatching Mike White from Oregon for softball and Vic Schaefer from Mississippi State for women’s basketball. Neither of those hires drew a quarter of one percent of the scrutiny a potential replacement for Tom Herman would field.

Fixed a stupid sentence. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

15 hours ago, CUM2TX said:

all the CDC cucks should be banned.

there is no reason for herman to be employed today. none.

If they don't have a replacement lined up, what good is it going into NSD without a coach? 

[ClubWhatever 12131]

39 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

If they don't have a replacement lined up, what good is it going into NSD without a coach? 

Ask Auburn, Arizona, and Vanderbilt. 

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

16 hours ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Sadly untrue actually. They have always favored us.

Insanity. The Chronicle has been Ag-flavored for thirty years. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

x posting here

 

Bobby Burton

While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

[Bruh Man 3160]

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

Ask Auburn, Arizona, and Vanderbilt. 

I guess w/ Auburn they don't the second deposit if they don't sign? We shouldn't be asking the other two about anything. UT needs to get Jatavion Sanders LOI (apparently he really likes Giles) then go from there. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

1 minute ago, Bruh Man said:

I guess w/ Auburn they don't the second deposit if they don't sign? We shouldn't be asking the other two about anything. UT needs to get Jatavion Sanders LOI (apparently he really likes Giles) then go from there. 

Doesn't matter much tbh. When we fire Herman and Giles is replaced then Sanders will just portal out and use covid as his excuse and get immediately eligibility at his next school.

[Errestaurants 2570]

12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

x posting here

 

Bobby Burton

While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

Why the fuck would CDC "bemoaned" the money if its coming from private donors? What the fuck is his problem. Sounds like a cunt. 

[TwiceHorn 31452]

4 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Why the fuck would CDC "bemoaned" the money if its coming from private donors? What the fuck is his problem. Sounds like a cunt. 

Because, as fundraiser-in-chief, he can think of other things to do with $15MM-plus?  And, he's going to have to keep going back to that well over and over again for other stuff.

Clearly, the university president and BoR should have a voice in this, as should the BMD ponying up.  

But it also seems pretty clear that we have all of those entities operating autonomously and in different directions, which is a clusterfuck and also perfectly on-brand for Texas.

We went after Urban with no plan B.  I'm not sure whose fault that is, but knowing the odds, was not smart.

And, given that there are no really good or obvious options, and many won't be available for serious discussions until after the CFP, there is inevitably this period of wharrrrgarbl.

[Nivek 16923]

So our coaching search lacked foresight, and we rushed in to CUM and didn’t have a Plan B, so now we are forced to live with this abortion or carry Tom Herman to full term?

[TwiceHorn 31452]

8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

So our coaching search lacked foresight, and we rushed in to CUM and didn’t have a Plan B, so now we are forced to live with this abortion or carry Tom Herman to full term?

I didn't say that.

Like everything else on this thread, it's nothing more than speculation, but if it is what happened, then why would anyone expect a nonexistent Plan B to be smoothly executed.

Now we are in the usual phase of Texas HFC hiring for the last 40 years:  wharrrrgarbl.

This sounds bizarrely like the Frank Erwin/Lorene Rodgers/DKR satanic love triangle of the 70s.

[immamac 42841]

Yeah I think CDC was told we are replacing Tom Herman if no CCG or straight out Conference Championship. 

CDC didn't take it seriously. 

Wheels put in motion to rid ourselves of shit stain tom the turtle 🐢 herman.

CDC doesn't realize that means train has left the station. 

CDC thinks weakest vote of confidence in history of the world saves recruiting (spoiler: it doesn't)

President BMD and BoR all still unified in firing 🐢.

CDC floating stupid names. 

Urban Meyer to Texas imminent. 

 

[TwiceHorn 31452]

21 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah I think CDC was told we are replacing Tom Herman if no CCG or straight out Conference Championship. 

CDC didn't take it seriously. 

Wheels put in motion to rid ourselves of shit stain tom the turtle 🐢 herman.

CDC doesn't realize that means train has left the station. 

CDC thinks weakest vote of confidence in history of the world saves recruiting (spoiler: it doesn't)

President BMD and BoR all still unified in firing 🐢.

CDC floating stupid names. 

Urban Meyer to Texas imminent. 

 

Rather than not take it seriously (that doesn't seem like DelConte, really), I think he misunderestimated Herman's potential for failure, and also BMD's willingness to pony up for the buyout.  Also, I think he may have figured it best and thus planned for an end-of-season termination.

So I might guess that he was surprised by a) Herman's failure; and b) the sudden willingness of BMD to pay the buyout after ISU.**  The whole thing went from 0-60 in a matter of days.  And turned into a suicide mission for Meyer that apparently has not worked out.

**Given his fundraising prowess, I find it hard to believe that CDC didn't have his finger on the pulse of the BMD and that prior to ISU, they were reluctant to pony up.

If he's guilty of anything, it's losing control of the hydra that is UT HFC hiring machinery.  In that sense, he's no different that anyone else we've had at AD, probably ever, certainly since DKR.

Edited December 14, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Randolph Duke 4034]

44 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah I think CDC was told we are replacing Tom Herman if no CCG or straight out Conference Championship. 

CDC didn't take it seriously. 

Wheels put in motion to rid ourselves of shit stain tom the turtle 🐢 herman.

CDC doesn't realize that means train has left the station. 

CDC thinks weakest vote of confidence in history of the world saves recruiting (spoiler: it doesn't)

President BMD and BoR all still unified in firing 🐢.

CDC floating stupid names. 

Urban Meyer to Texas imminent. 

 

Told by who? Not Hartzell.

CDC is not a yes-man. I find it very difficult to believe Kevin Eltife has been micromanaging UT Austin athletics, then imposing his dictates on the incoming president of the university. If that is actually what is happening, no new head coach is going to clean up the mess that is UT athletics because the rot and dysfunction seemingly goes all the way to the top of the BOR.

My read on the situation s that CDC is running the show and working to implement the same long term strategy that was decided upon when he was hired.

Keeping Herman is an unpopular decision with many, but CDC is very capable of handling the fallout from making uncomfortable decisions. If Eltife, or any political hack, tries to tell CDC what his decisions will be, I hope CDC resigns immediately. Having outsiders micromanage the AD's decisions is a recipe for continued futility.

[Mikey4 2476]

Told by who? Not Hartzell.
CDC is not a yes-man. I find it very difficult to believe Kevin Eltife has been micromanaging UT Austin athletics, then imposing his dictates on the incoming president of the university. If that is actually what is happening, no new head coach is going to clean up the mess that is UT athletics because the rot and dysfunction seemingly goes all the way to the top of the BOR.
My read on the situation s that CDC is running the show and working to implement the same long term strategy that was decided upon when he was hired.
Keeping Herman is an unpopular decision with many, but CDC is very capable of handling the fallout from making uncomfortable decisions. If Eltife, or any political hack, tries to tell CDC what his decisions will be, I hope CDC resigns immediately. Having outsiders micromanage the AD's decisions is a recipe for continued futility.

That's really rich, referring to those working to FIX Texas football as "rot and dysfunction," while praising CDC's ability to "handle the fallout" from destroying the program.

[Zeus 6020]

19 hours ago, CUM2TX said:

all the CDC cucks should be banned.

there is no reason for herman to be employed today. none.

kewl username CUM guzzler

 

[Zeus 6020]

1 minute ago, Mikey4 said:

That's really rich, referring to those working to FIX Texas football as "rot and dysfunction."

Hey lets FIX Texas football! Every 3 years fire the head coach and AD, then BOOM fixed!

[Cajun 11705]

On 12/13/2020 at 9:41 AM, Had Enough said:

Yep.

If it is not Meyer, honestly I'm probably ok with Herman sticking around another year. I didn't want Herman when he was hired. I wasn't wowed by him in year 1 and certainly not year 4. Maybe Meyer starts thinking on it and come October he's ready. Maybe Herman catches lightning in a bottle next year - could be good or bad for longer term growth. Maybe just maybe he's learned some humility. Campbell may be the only name that would satisfy a majority and I wouldn't think he'd come here. Mullen has proven Jack squat. He's lucky Georgia didn't put USC boy in at QB otherwise he'd be sitting on 3 losses.

If I'm not mistaken, this year's recruiting class will likely finish higher than this senior class did. The highest ranked classes are the meat of the roster next year. Singularly, it will not kill a program. Might not even hurt it. Might be a little irony at the QB position. Pretty sure the guy we are getting was a Matt Campbell commit. And just guessing Campbell thinks he could win the 12.

If CDC truly screwed up getting Meyer, that is one thing. But yeah alternate choices at that cost with the odds being we lock up mediocrity for 3 to 5 years is not good. Keeping Herman another year likely gives us more flexibility for the next 2 to 5 years.

CDCs statement yesterday allows flexibility. I'm not convinced Meyer is not an option. Publicly I don't know what CDC could have done. Probably only reel in Meyer.

Yall can cuss me all you want but I'll likely be in my seats again next year. Herman or not.

Username doesn't check out.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

8 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

 

 

That's really rich, referring to those working to FIX Texas football as "rot and dysfunction," while praising CDC's ability to "handle the fallout" from destroying the program.

 

"Destroying the program." Hilarious.

I will put you down as a supporter of political interference and micromanagement as a strategy for managing others. Personally, I'm not a big fan of that approach. I don't think it has a long term record of success.

What's next, letting political hacks call the plays on offense to "fix the problems"? Allowing the regents to call down to the sidelines to dictate who is on the field during the games?

[AustinMT 952]

13 hours ago, Nivek said:

So our coaching search lacked foresight, and we rushed in to CUM and didn’t have a Plan B, so now we are forced to live with this abortion or carry Tom Herman to full term?

Like when we rushed to Saban, didn’t have a Plan B and wound up with Charlie Strong?

[Valmy77 13226]

5 minutes ago, AustinMT said:

Like when we rushed to Saban, didn’t have a Plan B and wound up with Charlie Strong?

Rushed? We didn't fire Mack Brown until December 31st or something. How glacially slow do you have to be here?

Does everybody have the next coach lined up weeks before firing somebody? I don't get the takes here. So if we hadn't tried for Saban we would have somehow magically gotten a better coach? Huh?

[Duval Street 420]

13 hours ago, Mikey4 said:

 

 

That's really rich, referring to those working to FIX Texas football as "rot and dysfunction," while praising CDC's ability to "handle the fallout" from destroying the program.

 

Would you kindly respond to him without quoting, or just don’t respond. If he’s not on an aggy rant it’s not worth reading.

[ousux 5597]

If Texas were to get Urban Meyer as its Head Football Coach, Longhorn football fans won't give a fuck about yesterday's CDC statement on Mensa...

True, but at this point I have near zero confidence anything meaningful is going on behind the scenes.

I'd love to be wrong on this one, but I dont see it. Urbs isnt hurting for lunch money, has a cushy tv gig and assistant AD job (keeping him close to the actual nuts and bolts of a football program) at a University he loves, in the state he was born and raised in. The sort of money we'd offer would make any human that isnt already a billionaire perk up and listen..but to say that sort of money cant be turned down no matter what is arrogant at best. Winning the powerball lottery would be far less attractive if it came with tons of expectations and pressure that can't be avoided by buying your own Island to hide out on..and I can't think of any other CFB job (other than Bama when it opens up) having quite the same level as HFC at UT.

[Duane Moore 5237]

I would recommend to people the Everyone Gets a Trophy podcast that dropped last night.  For those not familiar, it's done by Scipio Tex (Paul Wadlington) from IT and Kevin Dunn from The Horn FM.  To hear Scipio tell it, CDC was the one who extended Herman after the Sugar Bowl (Fenves wasn't mentioned), and then when Herman had some significant off the field incidents that reflected poorly on his ability to lead the program (they had to be real careful dancing around specifics on these), CDC failed to properly document these incidents and counsel Herman on them from an HR perspective.  When CDC started to get wind that Herman might not survive the year, all his efforts at laying the groundwork for a coaching change were towards getting  - James Franklin.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

34 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

I would recommend to people the Everyone Gets a Trophy podcast that dropped last night.  For those not familiar, it's done by Scipio Tex (Paul Wadlington) from IT and Kevin Dunn from The Horn FM.  To hear Scipio tell it, CDC was the one who extended Herman after the Sugar Bowl (Fenves wasn't mentioned), and then when Herman had some significant off the field incidents that reflected poorly on his ability to lead the program (they had to be real careful dancing around specifics on these), CDC failed to properly document these incidents and counsel Herman on them from an HR perspective.  When CDC started to get wind that Herman might not survive the year, all his efforts at laying the groundwork for a coaching change were towards getting  - James Franklin.

[markstanco 12574]

In a month we will be comparing CDC to either Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft.

[Pam Cummings 9640]

45 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

I would recommend to people the Everyone Gets a Trophy podcast that dropped last night.  For those not familiar, it's done by Scipio Tex (Paul Wadlington) from IT and Kevin Dunn from The Horn FM.  To hear Scipio tell it, CDC was the one who extended Herman after the Sugar Bowl (Fenves wasn't mentioned), and then when Herman had some significant off the field incidents that reflected poorly on his ability to lead the program (they had to be real careful dancing around specifics on these), CDC failed to properly document these incidents and counsel Herman on them from an HR perspective.  When CDC started to get wind that Herman might not survive the year, all his efforts at laying the groundwork for a coaching change were towards getting  - James Franklin.

So wtf was all that chatter about "we've never seen people at Texas more aligned about what needs to be done with the football program" that the insiders were doing? Just BS? Seems like the AD going out of his way to court James Franklin is pretty out of sync with what others were thinking.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

So wtf was all that chatter about "we've never seen people at Texas more aligned about what needs to be done with the football program" that the insiders were doing? Just BS? Seems like the AD going out of his way to court James Franklin is pretty out of sync with what others were thinking.

Reading between the lines on some of the stuff IT has posted and etc seems like CDC thought this was TCU and he can freely pursue whomever to coach football. Yeah that works in the minor sports. Everyone was aligned on Meyer for sure.

[troph 24784]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

So wtf was all that chatter about "we've never seen people at Texas more aligned about what needs to be done with the football program" that the insiders were doing? Just BS? Seems like the AD going out of his way to court James Franklin is pretty out of sync with what others were thinking.

9.95 please. 

[PilotsError 2287]

So sick and tired of everyone tap dancing around these alleged off the field issues.  Either say what they were, or completely shut the fuck about them even existing.  

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

3 minutes ago, Cashcar said:

Jesus christ...CDC only thinking of a comfort hire?

Fuck it, I’ll take Franklin at this point. Three 11 win seasons in the past five years after taking over s bit of a hot mess at Pedo U. Granted he shit the bed this year, but it’s a weird fucking year. 

Franklin is actually a worse game day coach than Herman.

[Bozo_Casanova 26444]

2 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

So sick and tired of everyone tap dancing around these alleged off the field issues.  Either say what they were, or completely shut the fuck about them even existing.  

That’s always been the problem with the shag/surly- people not saying what they think!

[Pam Cummings 9640]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Franklin is actually a worse game day coach than Herman.

Yeah well he's beaten Maryland so he's got a leg up on mensa.

Edited December 16, 2020 by Pam Cummings

[TejasPedro 1858]

10 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

So sick and tired of everyone tap dancing around these alleged off the field issues.  Either say what they were, or completely shut the fuck about them even existing.  

This has been covered for Pete’s sake. Herman was caught, once again gargling Gary Patterson’s plums when he was specifically and repeatedly told not to, or face a serious hard talking to and a possible time out. The time out duration was negotiable.

[AustinMT 952]

Is it too late to apologize to Oliver Luck?

[Randolph Duke 4034]

19 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s always been the problem with the shag/surly- people not saying what they think!

There has been fair amount of buzz from a number of directions around some "off-field indiscretions." Since early in the season. It's not just this board.

If you believe the story that CDC didn't "fully document the issues and counsel the employee properly" then whatever the issues were, they couldn't have been too serious or firing with cause wouldn't be a question.

My take on all this is we are seeing just how toxic UT football culture can get. Having our fifth AD and/or fourth head football coach within seven years would be a rather damning indictment of UT football. I'm on the "ride the storm out" bandwagon on this one. We have a number of options, but none of them seem like a true solution.

The Finebaum story is just Paul having fun kicking the UT program while he can. The sad thing is no one connected with UT athletics has a clue how to handle Finebaum. And I do hold CDC directly accountable for not having a competent media team. TCU was never subjected to the level of media attention UT gets, so CDC's cluelessness in media matters is understandable. I hope he learns quickly because he already way late to the game of managing brands in the media.

Edited December 16, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

1 minute ago, AustinMT said:

Is it too late to apologize to Oliver Luck?

He also didn't want to be the guy to fire Mack so we should be able to call it good now right? 

Also Andrew has since retired so let's do it 

[Revolution512 1487]

21 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

So sick and tired of everyone tap dancing around these alleged off the field issues.  Either say what they were, or completely shut the fuck about them even existing.  

That’s not how the internet works. First we tap dance around them, then one or two trickle out to remain as internet fact forever. Surly patrons will then post references to said internet fact, forever brow beating the board for eternity or the next name change.