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Deej
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Punishment should be having to replace him with Shaka Smart. 

Huckleberry
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I really hope you're just a bit, because otherwise I'd have to think that your history of incredibly stupid posts is a reflection on your intelligence.

gernblansten
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What, wasn't there some of the other kids, what'd we give 'em? What? Cars? Tractors? Gave a kid a TRACTOR? Another kid we gave a HOUSE. Didn't we give him a house? You know, BAGS OF CASH, I don't know

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Imagine that... parents want their kids to have the best educators and educations possible and they’re willing to pay more for it to happen even if a kid can’t get in on their own merits. Almost like we live in a relatively free market. 

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Imagine that... parents want their kids to have the best educators and educations possible and they’re willing to use their money and influence to screw over deserving students even if their kid can’t get in on their own merits. Almost like we live in an entitled aristocracy.


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This an absolute joke.  The NCAA made Kyle Guy take down his wedding registry. 

 

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I've read that this is not the NCAA's fault or even against any NCAA rule, but actually UVA's compliance office that gave them bad information.

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Court filings from both gov't (see below) and defense acknowledge recordings exist. And today in court counsel for Dawkins directly accused Sean Miller of paying players. Today's ruling on Miller has only to do with whether he must testify. No more, no less

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That sounds weird to me. Is this particular case about defrauding universities or some other charge? If it is about fraud then wouldn’t Miller, an agent of the university, knowing about the payments make it so there is no fraud since then the university would technically know about the payments? Further, if he isn’t an agent of the university then shouldn’t he be charged with fraud against the university if he knew about the payments?

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That sounds weird to me. Is this particular case about defrauding universities or some other charge? If it is about fraud then wouldn’t Miller, an agent of the university, knowing about the payments make it so there is no fraud since then the university would technically know about the payments? Further, if he isn’t an agent of the university then shouldn’t he be charged with fraud against the university if he knew about the payments?

None of it makes sense to me. We all know these kids are being paid, but yet the NCAA does nothing. It's a sham.

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http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/26554592/ncaa-comes-cal-poly-books-violation

Cal-Poly vacating years of games in nearly every sport because they gave 30 students an average of $174 too much on their book stipends.  Stipends which did not even cover the costs of the books.  2 years probation in most every sport they compete in.

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"We don't believe the university broke this longstanding rule intentionally but we do recognize there is no ambiguity in the wording of the rule and there is no room for misinterpretation," said Big East deputy commissioner Vince Nicastro, who served as the chief hearing officer for the panel that issued the punishment. "Cal Poly simply failed to follow the rule."

The NCAA seriously just needs to be abolished at this point.

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Exactly. Miller and wade should be defendants. Same with Self and Townsend if they actually had evidence that they were in on the scheme. Either that or the FBI should not claim that the universities were defrauded as the coaches clearly knew of the scheme. 

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I haven't seen it on the football board yet but one of the financial advisors testified that he paid football players at michigan, Penn State, Bama, and a handful of other schools (including UNC surprise surprise).  Even if the schools didn't know about it then they played ineligible players and will need to vacate games.  I highly doubt the NCAA will go in on that investigation though.  They'll probably be happy to lay the boom on KU and then let everyone else go free.

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Fuck you, Kansas.  

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On April 11, 2018, Kansas issued a statement that began thusly: “Earlier today, we learned that the University of Kansas is named as a victim in a federal indictment.” The entity that allegedly victimized the Jayhawks basketball program was shoe and apparel company Adidas.

On April 24, 2019, all of 378 days after Kansas declared its victimization, the Jayhawks announced a 14-year shoe and apparel agreement worth $196 million with … Adidas.

So, yeah, it’s time for some victim shaming here.

A school that embraced the dubious concept of being victimized by a shoe company that broke NCAA rules (and federal law) now renews its business vows with said company. That’s not standard operating procedure on the part of an entity that sincerely believes it was defrauded and damaged. It is, however, standard shameless procedure in college athletics.

Actually, this is close to peak shamelessness.

Adidas bag man T.J. Gassnola, texting buddy and recruiting intermediary to Kansas head coach Bill Self, testified last fall that he threw around cash to make sure the Jayhawks got players. Merl Code, Adidas consultant, was on a wiretap transcript telling Kansas assistant coach Kurtis Townsend that the asking price for mega-recruit Zion Williamson was a job for his stepfather, cash and housing for the prospect’s family. Townsend’s response: “… If that’s what it takes to get him here for 10 months, we’re going to have to do it some way.”

This would seem to be institutionalized rule-breaking. But the federal government offered the stripped-bare Jayhawks a fig leaf of protection by saying the school was being harmed by Adidas’ bad boys. Kansas wore that fig leaf like a Versace suit.

Then the school doubled down on its victimhood by requesting $1 million in restitution in late February from convicted Adidas exec James Gatto. That in and of itself was brazen as hell — only to be topped by signing a long-term deal with the company two months later.

Funny, the word “victim” didn’t seem to come up Wednesday in Lawrence.

It stands to reason that neither Nike nor Under Armour was going to pay anywhere near as much to Kansas. And Adidas was desperate to keep the partnerships with its flagship programs. And so, if the money is right — and this is one of the largest apparel deals in college sports — universities will do anything to feed their sports addiction.

They’ll offer up some flimsy rationale, splutter out some rhetoric about integrity and then cash the checks without apology or restraint. Bad optics? They don’t care. Ridiculous inconsistencies? It will blow over. Brazen hypocrisy? Shrug it off and rally the base.

So many people are playing such obviously fraudulent roles in this charade that it’s hard to keep track of them all. But, limiting ourselves to just Kansas for the moment, here’s the all-star cast:

Douglas Girod, Kansas chancellor, in the role of Principled Educator-In-Chief. “Both we and Adidas have done our due diligence and thoroughly evaluated all factors related to this partnership, including the current environment related to college basketball,” Girod said Wednesday, according to the Kansas City Star. “We are confident about this renewed partnership and look forward to continuing our relationship with Adidas.”

Jeff Long, Kansas athletic director, in the role of Corruption Firewall Builder. “T.J. Gassnola was an employee of Adidas. He had an agreement with Adidas that put him in contact with our program,” Long said, according to The Star. “ ... We’ve spent months and months and [had] exhaustive conversations about going forward and how we will handle these things in the future and arrived at the conclusion that Adidas is committed like Kansas is to make sure that we abide by NCAA rules and certainly the law of the land.”

Bill Self, Well-Coached Coach. “I did not see anywhere, nor do I believe that we were thought of to be anything other than a victim in the situation,” he said to reporters last year, when the school was first named in a federal indictment. He got the buzzword right. His .817 winning percentage will answer any other questions regarding his continued employment.

Kansas fans, Diligent Deflectors. Every time the Jayhawks come up in this ongoing corruption saga, they ask, “What about Duke?”

 

Adidas, Reformed Corporate Sinner. A fresh zeal for NCAA rules compliance (at gunpoint) is the new three-stripe core value. The shoe company and one of the other schools it “victimized,” Louisville, took their mutual repentance up a notch a few months ago by announcing that it will help fund the university’s new Project on Ethical Leadership Excellence. Adidas is donating $1 million to the project over 10 years while maintaining a big-dollar apparel contract with Cardinals athletics. (First lecture in the Ethical Leadership Excellence project should be entitled, “How To Buy Your Way Out of Bad Publicity.”)

That Kansas chose to announce its renewed agreement with Adidas while the second federal trial is underway in New York seems a tad bold. Then again, this is a school that also currently is trying everything in its power to leverage sympathy for the ineligible Silvio De Sousa as he seeks reinstatement via an appeal to the NCAA — the Jayhawks aren’t really here to tiptoe toward what they want.

If Kansas cared as much about De Sousa as it says it does, the school would ask for his immediate reinstatement to any of the other 352 Division I schools in America. It would acknowledge that bringing him back to the place where Gassnola greased the skids is an embrace of an unfair competitive advantage without apology. It would, for the first time, reflect some ownership of this situation by the school.

If anyone is a victim here, it’s Silvio De Sousa. Not Kansas.

 

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Lot going on here for Forde to pick at....

1. Forde is a MU grad who hates KU more than anything.  He's a piece of shit.

2. Maybe you've missed that the fulcrum of the FBI investigation is that the universities and their agents didn't know about the payments.  The indictment listed KU as a victim.  The FBI didn't indict anyone from KU.   If KU or its agents knew about the scheme and it could be proven then the FBI wouldn't have a case.  This is also why the feds are trying to block miller and wade from testifying.

3. The wiretap that he is claiming exists actually doesn't exist.  The FBI fucked up and didn't hit record on the tap.  No evidence other than hearsay that this conversation happened between Dawkins and Townsend ever was put into the record.

4. If the state institution is backing the federal government's play and the jury of peers found the accused parties guilty that means that KU and its agents (coaches) did not know about the scheme (which they couldn't if they were victims and the jury found the accused guilty) then a logical maneuver would be to recover damages from the guilty parties for your legal fees.  If KU doesn't do this then maybe they look more complicit and we have an article saying "If KU really wasn't part of this they would be trying to recover damages, but they're not".

5. KU hasn't had a contracted apparel sponsor in over a year.  KU and Adidas have been working off a contract that was never signed back in 2017.  What are they supposed to do?  Not have a program sponsor?  Adidas originally got the contract because Nike said they would only provide support for football and basketball, not the other sports.  Adidas provided all sports.  What were we supposed to do?  Sign with under armour (the company that supposedly already paid De Sousa to go to Maryland)?  Sign with Nike (the company that is currently on trial)?  Or should we grab a cool $2mm from Keds and be happy about it?

6. The De Sousa comment about having him released to other universities is ridiculous for two reasons; First, Under Armour allegedly paid his guardian $40k to go to Maryland.  It isn't KU paying the player, it is every shoe company out there paying MANY players.  Why didn't Forde mention that he shouldn't be allowed to go to maryland either?  Maybe he's a bit biased? Second, why not appeal?  99% of all appeals to the NCAA have an outcome of a reduced punishment.  SDS sat out games early in the year last year because the NCAA was slow to clear him as a semester addition.  THEY cleared him.  Then he sat out 24 games BEFORE he was punished by the NCAA.  The perpetrators of the crimes got 9 months, 6 months, and 6 months.  The cooperating witness (Gassnola) isn't even going to prison.  So the kid, who all parties agree (KU, FBI, NCAA) didn't even touch the money tendered for his commitment to KU is being punished harder (2 years and possibly the complete destruction of his professional career prospects) than any of the criminals in the case.  Oh yeah.. how many times has a player ever been released to any school but the school that gave them a scholarship in lieu of punishment by the NCAA?  I'm guessing that is not a norm. 

7. The "what about duke" comment is just asinine and showing Forde's bias once again.  In the article he claims there is a wiretap of Kurtis Townsend working on the pricing for a Duke player.  Then he goes on to say that Duke doesn't matter, even though a going rate for Zion was established and that Zion went to duke.  Just having a "going rate" means that Zion is ineligible based on the rules the NCAA put out years ago because of Cam Newton.  You can't bring Zion's name into the article to boost your claims and argument, and then say that he doesn't matter in the same article.

I'm well on the record as saying the KU fucked up here.  I don't even want to be an adidas school.  I even believe that KU is going to get hammered by the NCAA this summer for all of this shit.  But Forde's article is miss timed, unrepresentative of the facts, and is clearly biased in the reporting.  No other way to put it.  The simple fact is, there are dozens of other schools implicated and this whole thing is far from over.  He looks like an idiot trying to take scalps right now because the KU scalp isn't one to take at this moment.  It will be a lot easier to get it and many others this summer.

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There is no reason this shouldn’t take the NCAA completely down. Fucking CREIGHTON quality players are getting paid. Everyone in the P5 is dirty, some just haven’t been explicitly caught. This includes KU who is a “victim”. This whole thing is a joke. 

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That's a lot of Twitterese to digest. It just shows how much bullshit goes on with all of these programs.

A buddy that I have known since junior high is an assistant at one of the schools mentioned, not a Blue Blood, and he says fans ask him all the time, why can't we get some of these kids?, and his response is, who will get the $300,000 to the kid's uncle, or a gas station ownership changed?

 

 

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There is no reason this shouldn’t take the NCAA completely down. Fucking CREIGHTON quality players are getting paid. Everyone in the P5 is dirty, some just haven’t been explicitly caught. This includes KU who is a “victim”. This whole thing is a joke. 

Yeah being paid what you're worth is a travesty and extremely dirty. 

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Yeah being paid what you're worth is a travesty and extremely dirty. 

Don’t get me wrong. I think players should market themselves and learn exactly what their value is. I think most would find it’s about $0 (especially in football). It cannot be denied that as the rules stand nearly everyone is cheating. The NCAA took a stand last summer and said “we aren’t changing.” So the rules aren’t changing. That puts the ball in the member schools court. Abolish the ncaa to save your biggest money makers and rewrite the rules. Mark Emmert isn’t going to do it voluntarily. 

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Don’t get me wrong. I think players should market themselves and learn exactly what their value is. I think most would find it’s about $0 (especially in football). It cannot be denied that as the rules stand nearly everyone is cheating. The NCAA took a stand last summer and said “we aren’t changing.” So the rules aren’t changing. That puts the ball in the member schools court. Abolish the ncaa to save your biggest money makers and rewrite the rules. Mark Emmert isn’t going to do it voluntarily. 

I always laugh at these arguments that the NCAA administrators are acting against the wishes of the member schools.The board of governors of the NCAA is comprised of administrators of the universities, most of whom are university presidents (some large P5 schools, some smaller universities).

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=EXEC

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The Board of Governors is the highest governance body in the NCAA and is composed of institutional chief executive officers that oversee Association-wide issues. The board is charged with ensuring that each division operates consistently with the basic purposes, fundamental policies and general principles of the Association. 

Does Emmert get 100% consensus agreement from the BOG on every one of his decsions? Of course not, but 9 years is a fairly long period of time to keep ones job. I have to assume his performance meets the expectations of the people he reports to, otherwise he would get shitcanned. 

You suggest that the member schools should abolish the NCAA? What would they replace it with? How would it differ from the structure of today's NCAA? I can understand the argument that perhaps the major D1 universities should be governed by a different organisation than the G5, Div II/Div III schools due to the vastly different economic realities they face, but it's not clear to me that the P5 schools want that. The majority of criticism regarding the NCAA comes from fans and the media. I'm guessing you cant find many comments from Presidents of Texas, Bama, tOSU, etc.... criticizing the NCAA. They carry the weight, and they seem to be just find with the status quo.

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