Theranos' Death Rattle

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[MillerEP 30,492]

Okay, I caught a little bit more of the documentary on HBO tonight. I have a ridiculous question, that who is the freak with the accent that appears to be wearing 1/2 of a beard? As in beard on one side with mustache and nothing on the other.

 

Theranos' Death Rattle

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9 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Theranos' Death Rattle

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So, I'll repeat the question, the link only takes me to the first post of the main thread which I don't want to read the entire thing. Thanks anyway

[George 493]

Page 7 has your answers

[HenryJames 66,131]

7 hours ago, C-Man said:

I mean shouldn't everybody's sirens been going off when she started wearing the Steve Jobs' black turtlenecks all the time?

She has apparently worn them since she was five years old. 

[Texas_Rocks 346]

Few things in life annoy me more than corporate meetings that go down like this. I was sitting in my office one day when an event organizer walks in and request that I join three other people to do a karaoke version of The Love Shack during an upcoming meet. Nope.

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4 hours ago, George said:

Page 7 has your answers

So did yo mom, many times.

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3 hours ago, HenryJames said:

She has apparently worn them since she was five years old. 

Yep, and the tampon she's wearing is nearly as old.

[NBMisha 224]

Watched the HBO documentary yesterday.  Very interesting display of human fallibilities.  

It is obvious to normal people that she is nuts.  But to those deep into the cult of uber leadership (and not a little bit of wierd old guy shit), and ultimately star worship, it is just so easy to fall for.  As the half beard psychologist says, if you convince yourself you are doing good, you can roll with any delusional lie.

Well, not so far from standard corp bs.  Believing your own bullshit.  Hope she spends a few years in the clink.  Orange turtleneck.

 

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19 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Also, her solution of cheap and easy blood tests was for a problem that is not that big of a problem.  Traditional blood tests aren't that expensive or hard to do.  (God knows there are labs everywhere.)  Only hurdle is that some people don't like needles but that's not that big of a hurdle.  It's basically a solution to something that's not a problem.

This was my thought, as well,  I didn't get why this was such a "disruptive" technology to begin with but, I'm not that smart...especially when it comes to medicine. 

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11 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I want to be a better guitar player so I think I’m just going to start dressing like Stevie Ray all the time from now on.

OK, Romeo Rose

[GhostOfTomJoad 9,336]

The HBO doc was well done. The director did a nice job peeling back the curtain of Thomas Edison's myth while showing Holmes' naked desire to be recognized as a visionary, human-kind altering entrepreneur. It also shows how careless investors & VCs can be. Data and clean financials are cast aside for compelling stories & powerful marketing. People are so enticed by the possibility of making billions off the next big thing they don't stop to ask if what they're investing in is actually feasible.

I guess we're lucky Holmes decided she wanted to be the next Steve Jobs instead of Charles Manson. 

[Aqua Buddha 14,598]

Had she steered away from medical technology, she would have been fine.  Had she just wanted to get rich by changing the world through distributed algorithms, we'd never know anything about her.

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7 hours ago, Texas_Rocks said:

 

Few things in life annoy me more than corporate meetings that go down like this. I was sitting in my office one day when an event organizer walks in and request that I join three other people to do a karaoke version of The Love Shack during an upcoming meet. Nope.

 

 

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1 hour ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

I guess we're lucky Holmes decided she wanted to be the next Steve Jobs instead of Charles Manson. 

Exactly - It was the perfect storm.  Psychopath with the perfect amount of access to both the elite educational complex and people of influence/money who'd listen to her story........

A clone of her who ends up in a community college and working nights as a Hooters waitress would also end up wreaking havoc somewhere in the world, but the story would spill out in People Magazine vs. the WSJ.

[Not a cat 5,660]

Boies should be getting a lot more grief than he is.  There is a line between zealous advocacy and helping to assist further fraud, and I think he passed it.  Sadly, I bet some people will want him even more as their attorney since he showed what he was willing to do, but it's not like he wasn't already in demand.  

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1 hour ago, Not a cat said:

Boies should be getting a lot more grief than he is.  There is a line between zealous advocacy and helping to assist further fraud, and I think he passed it.  Sadly, I bet some people will want him even more as their attorney since he showed what he was willing to do, but it's not like he wasn't already in demand.  

Very much agreed.  But he's a "bulldog!"/Rolling my eyes

[Aqua Buddha 14,598]

Boies is to Theranos what Ja Rule was to the Fyre Festival.

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3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This was my thought, as well,  I didn't get why this was such a "disruptive" technology to begin with but, I'm not that smart...especially when it comes to medicine. 

Thirded.  I was always kind of suspicious of the need for on-demand testing.  Nothing presented by Theranos/Holmes changed my mind.

I think sometimes diagnostics are an unnecessary profit center for docs, but they are less problematic than, say, imaging, in that regard.

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Boies is to Theranos what Ja Rule was to the Fyre Festival.

Nice

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1 hour ago, Reagan1k said:

A clone of her who ends up in a community college and working nights as a Hooters waitress would also end up wreaking havoc somewhere in the world, but the story would spill out in People Magazine vs. the WSJ.

That doesn't even make People Magazine.   Her story plays out buried in the Des Moines newspaper after her 3 kids under age 5 are found wandering around a Wal-Mart parking lot at 3:00 am because she's at an Indian Casino in Sioux Falls strung out on meth.  

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2 hours ago, Reagan1k said:

Exactly - It was the perfect storm.  Psychopath with the perfect amount of access to both the elite educational complex and people of influence/money who'd listen to her story........

A clone of her who ends up in a community college and working nights as a Hooters waitress would also end up wreaking havoc somewhere in the world, but the story would spill out in People Magazine vs. the WSJ.

it would've reached $18B if she was actually hot

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So she grows up here in Houston, went to St. John's and not one of you Surly posters know her or banged one of her friends?  Not buying it.  Spill it.

Allen Stanford, Kenny Lay and Lizzy.   You got to lick one(rear), blow one or F one, Go!    

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2 hours ago, Not a cat said:

Boies should be getting a lot more grief than he is.  There is a line between zealous advocacy and helping to assist further fraud, and I think he passed it. 

well, but, he owned stock, lots and lots of stock in the company

so I mean it's understandable you know and everything

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1 minute ago, RollLeft said:

So she grows up here in Houston, went to St. John's and not one of you Surly posters know her or banged one of her friends?  Not buying it.  Spill it.

she's not in her late 40s

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4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This was my thought, as well,  I didn't get why this was such a "disruptive" technology to begin with but, I'm not that smart...especially when it comes to medicine. 

I had my a standard suite of blood test done a while ago.  Had to schedule an appointment with my doc.  Had to go to his office.  Took a big vial of blood.  A few days (imagine a full calendar week if you're busy with work), I visit the doc to get the results.  It measured something like 20-40 different things , iron level, potassium, etc etc.

 

Imagine if I could drive to any pharmacy anytime, buy a kit to prick myself, and instantly get results of 400 measurements back... or atleast maybe wait 1 or 2 days and get this full suite of readings by email.  That's a huge hurdle bowled over.  People would be more inclined to check their health more often

 

 

[Sbbruin 21,861]

I get blood tests 4 times per year through Quest for an auto-immune condition, and the standard method of blood drawing is quite a simple process.  So this whole thing is to avoid the terror of a needle?

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6 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

So she grows up here in Houston, went to St. John's and not one of you Surly posters know her or banged one of her friends?  Not buying it.  Spill it.

Allen Stanford, Kenny Lay and Lizzy.   You got to lick one(rear), blow one or F one, Go!    

My oldest son graduated from St. John's and it looks like he was either 1 or 2 classes ahead of her.

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2 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

she's not in her late 40s

You seem to think dudes in their late 40's hit on chics their own age?  

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4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I had my a standard suite of blood test done a while ago.  Had to schedule an appointment with my doc.  Had to go to his office.  Took a big vial of blood.  A few days (imagine a full calendar week if you're busy with work), I visit the doc to get the results.  It measured something like 20-40 different things , iron level, potassium, etc etc.

 

Imagine if I could drive to any pharmacy anytime, buy a kit to prick myself, and instantly get results of 400 measurements back... or atleast maybe wait 1 or 2 days and get this full suite of readings by email.  That's a huge hurdle bowled over.  People would be more inclined to check their health more often

 

 

This sounds like a great idea.

Have you lined up any investors yet?

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2 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I get blood tests 4 times per year through Quest for an auto-immune condition, and the standard method of blood drawing is quite a simple process.  So this whole thing is to avoid the terror of a needle?

So you have the Aids?

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How can anyone hear this quote and not think it’s bullshit? This is the type of thing kids say when they are trying to do a book report but didn’t read the book.

She told The New Yorker that "a chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel."

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8 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

You seem to think dudes in their late 40's hit on chics their own age?  

I'm not sure if I want to explain the joke or not but that's not it

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8 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

So you have the Aids?

 

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19 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

I had my a standard suite of blood test done a while ago.  Had to schedule an appointment with my doc.  Had to go to his office.  Took a big vial of blood.  A few days (imagine a full calendar week if you're busy with work), I visit the doc to get the results.  It measured something like 20-40 different things , iron level, potassium, etc etc.

 

Imagine if I could drive to any pharmacy anytime, buy a kit to prick myself, and instantly get results of 400 measurements back... or atleast maybe wait 1 or 2 days and get this full suite of readings by email.  That's a huge hurdle bowled over.  People would be more inclined to check their health more often

 

 

How would you know how to read them?  I get blood drawn quite regularly, too.  I always have the doc walk me through them. 

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2 hours ago, Not a cat said:

Boies should be getting a lot more grief than he is.  There is a line between zealous advocacy and helping to assist further fraud, and I think he passed it.  Sadly, I bet some people will want him even more as their attorney since he showed what he was willing to do, but it's not like he wasn't already in demand.  

Agreed, but he was connected in all the right ways to the Establishment. It was not until it flipped #metoo that he finally got busted for representing Harvey Weinstein.

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13 minutes ago, MrBig said:

How can anyone hear this quote and not think it’s bullshit? This is the type of thing kids say when they are trying to do a book report but didn’t read the book.

She told The New Yorker that "a chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel."

And this woman talked her way into and apparently passed a couple of chemE classes at Stanford as a freshman?

theres a difference between dumbing down  for lay people and bullshitting.  

 

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School is just memorization and regurgitation.  It's not really confirmation of anything other than the rote memorization of facts.  Most of which are promptly forgotten.

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5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This was my thought, as well,  I didn't get why this was such a "disruptive" technology to begin with but, I'm not that smart...especially when it comes to medicine. 

The disruptive tech was the promise of near instant analysis vs days/weeks. They were conning investors with a one hour diagnosis by taking their blood sample then having techs analyze it while they were having lunch. That's big. They didn't specify in the doc (maybe they do in the book?), but it appeared as if fasting prior to testing wasn't a requirement. Also a big change. 

The truly disruptive pitch, however, was the impact to the industry. She & Sunny saw gov't contracts as a goldmine. Hence Mattis, Kissinger, Schultz, etc on the board.  Those old guys got stiff when she sold them on the promise of selling thousands of those machines to the military so they could monitor GIs blood instantly & constantly. And Walgreens putting in theranos stations was a big step. Get your blood analyzed at your corner Walgreens in an hour, have have your scrip adjusted, & pick up your meds all in one stop. Hell, if it worked Walgreens would've been printing money. They'd probably build lunch counters or day spas into their stores so people would stay there & spend money before they bought their meds.

Lots of investors saw ways to make piles of money. Except the science & tech behind it was bunk.

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Few things in life annoy me more than corporate meetings that go down like this. I was sitting in my office one day when an event organizer walks in and request that I join three other people to do a karaoke version of The Love Shack during an upcoming meet. Nope.

 

[MillerEP 30,492]

So, I'll repeat the question, the link only takes me to the first post of the main thread which I don't want to read the entire thing. Thanks anyway

I linked through tapa, guess it didn’t work. He’s a well known professor who was badly burned over 70 percent of his body as a teen in Israel. His facial hair looks weird because he’s a burn victim:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely

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35 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

School is just memorization and regurgitation.  It's not really confirmation of anything other than the rote memorization of facts.  Most of which are promptly forgotten.

Sorry you went to the wrong school.  

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16 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

 

The gay Zorro look has only been pulled off successfully by SRV. Good luck.

 

The hell you say...

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1 hour ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The disruptive tech was the promise of near instant analysis vs days/weeks. They were conning investors with a one hour diagnosis by taking their blood sample then having techs analyze it while they were having lunch. That's big. They didn't specify in the doc (maybe they do in the book?), but it appeared as if fasting prior to testing wasn't a requirement. Also a big change. 

The truly disruptive pitch, however, was the impact to the industry. She & Sunny saw gov't contracts as a goldmine. Hence Mattis, Kissinger, Schultz, etc on the board.  Those old guys got stiff when she sold them on the promise of selling thousands of those machines to the military so they could monitor GIs blood instantly & constantly. And Walgreens putting in theranos stations was a big step. Get your blood analyzed at your corner Walgreens in an hour, have have your scrip adjusted, & pick up your meds all in one stop. Hell, if it worked Walgreens would've been printing money. They'd probably build lunch counters or day spas into their stores so people would stay there & spend money before they bought their meds.

Lots of investors saw ways to make piles of money. Except the science & tech behind it was bunk.

Did  you see the cluster fuck of a mess the machine made of the blood samples?   My gosh someone could have been exposed to no telling what and the Lab Techs said so much they were not taking standard  lab precautions when they were reaching into those machines.

 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Nueces River Rat

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2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

How would you know how to read them?  I get blood drawn quite regularly, too.  I always have the doc walk me through them. 

The results page tells you how to read them.  It shows you what the normal range is and whether your test is inside that or not.

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2 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 

I linked through tapa, guess it didn’t work. He’s a well known professor who was badly burned over 70 percent of his body as a teen in Israel. His facial hair looks weird because he’s a burn victim:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Ariely

 

Thanks,  I finally saw part of the documentary that gave his name. Definitely should ditch the half beard look.

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3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

How would you know how to read them?  I get blood drawn quite regularly, too.  I always have the doc walk me through them. 

It's like a suspension alignment chart.  My (traditional) results are shown next to a range, so any another anomalous values could be flagged.  My doc don't offer to explain my 40 or whatever parameters if everything is within range

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1 hour ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Did  you see the cluster fuck of a mess the machine made of the blood samples?

skip to 1:40, or don't if you know it

 

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14 hours ago, HenryJames said:

She has apparently worn them since she was five years old. 

In "The Dropout" podcast, one of the first employees she lured away from Apple talks about how she peppered him with questions about Jobs, including his wardrobe.  Next thing he knew, she was showing up in fancy turtlenecks.

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I think the book mentioned employees knew how far into the Jobs biography she was by which of his affectations she had picked up that week.