Theranos' Death Rattle

[Trey3216 15,349]

Just now, SwanderedTalent said:

even if Carreyrou was 100% out to get Theranos, as in a personal vendetta, how he "got" them was revealing documented fraud Theranos committed

if I expose Lincoln Riley to the NCAA as a cheat and OU gets hauled in to the Infractions Committee, the fact that I wasn't acting altruistically doesn't mitigate the cheating in any way

Yep, it's just another example of her extraordinary narcissism/naivety  

[TwiceHorn 31,510]

6 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Yep, it's just another example of her extraordinary narcissism/naivety  

Well, I think in this case, it's a hail mary strategery from her attorneys.  

[Trey3216 15,349]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Well, I think in this case, it's a hail mary strategery from her attorneys.  

No doubt, but I wouldn't put anything past that crazy bitch 

[TwiceHorn 31,510]

1 minute ago, Trey3216 said:

No doubt, but I wouldn't put anything past that crazy bitch 

Defenses do get influenced by the client.  Especially when the client is delusional, as upper-middle white chicks tend to be.  See also, Lori Loughlin.

[Trey3216 15,349]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Defenses do get influenced by the client.  Especially when the client is delusional, as upper-middle white chicks tend to be.  See also, Lori Loughlin.

That's pretty much the basis of my comment.  She's completely delusional.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if she fired her attorneys at some point and tried the case herself thinking she could outsmart the room.  

[XYZ 2,154]

Zero capability of introspection, like Christopher Duntsch.

[TKthunder2 4,992]

11 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

even if Carreyrou was 100% out to get Theranos, as in a personal vendetta, how he "got" them was revealing documented fraud Theranos committed

if I expose Lincoln Riley to the NCAA as a cheat and OU gets hauled in to the Infractions Committee, the fact that I wasn't acting altruistically doesn't mitigate the cheating in any way

 

[ImissWallyPryor 9,046]

14 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

even if Carreyrou was 100% out to get Theranos, as in a personal vendetta, how he "got" them was revealing documented fraud Theranos committed

if I expose Lincoln Riley to the NCAA as a cheat and OU gets hauled in to the Infractions Committee, the fact that I wasn't acting altruistically doesn't mitigate the cheating in any way

So, the court is going to throw some Walgreens manager in prison?

[PilotsError 2,309]

Laughlin and Holmes could share a cell, right?

[Bullneck 19,184]

She's much hotter now that she's not trying to look like Steve Jobs.

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Bullneck

[CooterBrown 18,015]

“hotter”

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4,976]

It's much hotter this morning than it was that time I went camping in Big Bend in January and a snow storm knocked out all the power for 100 miles around as we were driving the last leg into the park.

[Bullneck 19,184]

7 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

“hotter”

OK, point taken.  She was not hot before; she was kind of weird looking.  Now, in this photo, she doesn't look bad.  In numerical rating, she went from a 6 to an 8.  

(Edit: "from a 5 to an 8")

Edited October 8, 2019 by Bullneck

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4,976]

Obviously not the Derka scale.

[smokebomb 357]

She is no 8. 

And apparently she hasn’t been paying her attorneys:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-lawyers-cooley-llp-895633/

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Elizabeth Holmes’ Lawyers Want Off Her Case

The Theranos founder and alleged scam artist — who is facing federal fraud charges and a class-action suit — isn’t paying her legal bills, per court filings 

By EJ DICKSON

Elizabeth Holmes, the disgraced tech wunderkind whose blood-testing startup Theranos was revealed to be based on sham science, has often been referred to as the ultimate Silicon Valley scammer. Now, she’s been accused of scamming her lawyers as well, who are asking to be removed from her employ because she hasn’t been able to pay them for their services.

In a recent court filing, Holmes’s lawyers, who are representing her against the plaintiffs of a class-action fraud lawsuit, are attempting to remove themselves from the case, claiming that they hadn’t been paid by Holmes in almost a year. According to the Washington Post, three lawyers at Cooley LLP, the Palo-Alto-based litigation firm representing Holmes in the suit, are trying to remove themselves from the case, claiming that the firm “has no expectation that Ms. Holmes will ever pay it for its services as her counsel.”

Although a judge has not yet ruled on Cooley’s request to be removed from the case, the firm was hired to represent Holmes in a massive 2016 class action lawsuit filed against her, Theranos, and the drugstore chain Walgreens, which at one point had struck a deal to offer Theranos’s blood-testing services to customers. In the lawsuit, which was filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix in 2016, consumers allege that Holmes, Theranos and Walgreens knowingly participated in a “massive fraud” by offering the blood test, which was revealed by a Wall Street Journal investigation to have been ineffective and based on junk science.

A tech entrepreneur who once topped Forbes’ list of youngest self-made female billionaires, Holmes dropped out of Stanford University when she was just 19 to found Theranos, which she told Silicon Valley investors would revolutionize the world of diagnostic testing. Journalists and investors were captivated by Holmes’ youth, beauty, and academic credentials, and she was quickly able to amass a network of high-profile backers to help fund the company, to the degree that it was at one point valued at $9 billion.

A 2015 Wall Street Journal investigation, however, questioned the efficacy of Theranos’s blood-testing services, also shedding light on some of Holmes’ questionable management tactics and the company’s legal team’s attempts to strong-arm its critics. Facing a barrage of lawsuits, Holmes was forced to shutter Theranos in 2018, and she and her former partner Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani were indicted on federal fraud charges earlier this year.

Holmes faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted, as well as millions of dollars in fines. Her trial is scheduled for August 2020.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,515]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

OK, point taken.  She was not hot before; she was kind of weird looking.  Now, in this photo, she doesn't look bad.  In numerical rating, she went from a 6 to an 8.  

(Edit: "from a 5 to an 8")

An 8? In this photo she looks like an average woman in her 30s. Therefore a 5-6. 

[52-80 19,191]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

OK, point taken.  She was not hot before; she was kind of weird looking.  Now, in this photo, she doesn't look bad.  In numerical rating, she went from a 6 to an 8.  

(Edit: "from a 5 to an 8")

"8"

[DigglerontheHoof 21,205]

she still faking deep voice?

[Trey3216 15,349]

4 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

she still faking deep voice?

Wouldn't doubt it.  She'll be faking deep dick in the prison system soon enough.  

[Pato del Muerto 52,531]

How could investors be captivated by her beauty and academic credentials when she has neither?

[Bullneck 19,184]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

An 8? In this photo she looks like an average woman in her 30s. Therefore a 5-6. 

Well, my rating system curves upward 1 point for every 10 years since I graduated.  Using that scale she should be a 13.

[HouTex 1,887]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How could investors be captivated by her beauty and academic credentials when she has neither?

People are often captivated by articulate people.  Even though she had the nutty low voice, she was very articulate.  People often mistake that quality for intelligence.   She was basically a carnival barker.

[TwiceHorn 31,510]

Yeah, she had an intriguing if narrow idea, was a smooth talker, very passionate about it or good at faking it, and attractive enough for a bunch of old leches used to the men's world.

Carnival barker is about perfect.

Edited October 8, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Guest Lobo]

Same way the Juicero raised high 8 figures.  NObody wants to be the "yeah, but..." guy.  That's the only reason I can feed my family is calling bullshit.  

[Texas_Rocks 346]

She might be 8 after a bottle of bourbon and a couple of fat lines of coke on a lonely night.

 

[HenryJames 66,133]

/should be on every page

[Bevo 13,582]

5 hours ago, Texas_Rocks said:

She might be 8 after a bottle of bourbon and a couple of fat lines of coke on a lonely night.

 

When you are in your 20s and need some action, the starting number is 5.

[High Plains Drifter 11,050]

What are all these numbers? 8? 5?

 

She's either a "wood" "probably" "depends" "probably not" "no" or "Hell NO"

 

Old look = probably

New look= wood

[Zwylde 812]

Speculation that she is going with mental disease defense. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/tech/theranos-holmes-mental-disease/index.html

[Pato del Muerto 52,531]

3 minutes ago, Zwylde said:

Speculation that she is going with mental disease defense. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/tech/theranos-holmes-mental-disease/index.html

I’d be shocked that a narcissist would be able to allow a mental deficiency defense.  Unless her being unfit to select her own defense is part and parcel to said defense and it’s not her choice. 

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14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’d be shocked that a narcissist would be able to allow a mental deficiency defense.  Unless her being unfit to select her own defense is part and parcel to said defense and it’s not her choice. 

Being a narcissist in the hoosegow is tough.

[TwiceHorn 31,510]

18 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’d be shocked that a narcissist would be able to allow a mental deficiency defense.  Unless her being unfit to select her own defense is part and parcel to said defense and it’s not her choice. 

Well, alleging it is different from proving it.  Apparently, an allegation is all that is required to give the jury the option.  The feds follow the old M'Naghten rule.  Here's the jury instruction on it in the 9th Circuit.

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The defendant contends [he] [she] was insane at the time of the crime. Insanity is a defense to the charge. The sanity of the defendant at the time of the crime charged is therefore a question you must decide. A defendant is insane only if at the time of the crime charged: 1. The defendant had a severe mental disease or defect; and 2. As a result, the defendant was unable to appreciate the nature and quality or the wrongfulness of [his] [her] acts. The defendant has the burden of proving the defense of insanity by clear and convincing evidence. Clear and convincing evidence of insanity means that it is highly probable that the defendant was insane at the time of the crime. Proof by clear and convincing evidence is a lower standard of proof than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. You may consider evidence of the defendant’s mental condition before or after the crime to decide whether the defendant was insane at the time of the crime. Insanity may be temporary or extended. Your finding on the question of whether the defendant was insane at the time of the crime must be unanimous. [Your verdict form will allow you to select from three possible verdicts: If you unanimously agree that the government has failed to prove the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you must select “not guilty”; If you unanimously agree that the government has proven the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you must select “guilty”; If you unanimously agree that the government has proven the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but you also unanimously agree that the defendant has proven by clear and convincing evidence that [he] [she] was insane at the time of the crime charged, you must select “not guilty only by reason of insanity.”]

 

[Biff Tannen 45,692]

Narcissism is a mental disorder, I believe, so maybe?

[Neonmoon 38,129]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

Narcissism is a mental disorder, I believe, so maybe?

I don’t think you can argue you don’t know right from wrong because of narcissism. 

[AUS-97HORN 11,809]

its been 3 fucking years since this fucking company was exposed to be a total snake oil fraud.... how in the fuck has her trial not happened yet

[Firemans4Horn 18,117]

4 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

its been 3 fucking years since this fucking company was exposed to be a total snake oil fraud.... how in the fuck has her trial not happened yet

Are you familiar with Ken Paxton?

[Parliament 14,264]

Being a narcissist in the hoosegow is tough.

My dad always used that word. Have a taparep.

[immortal13 4,059]

4 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

its been 3 fucking years since this fucking company was exposed to be a total snake oil fraud.... how in the fuck has her trial not happened yet

Covid19

[elfenix 34,329]

this chick on onlyfans yet?

[Pasken 1,309]

5 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

its been 3 fucking years since this fucking company was exposed to be a total snake oil fraud.... how in the fuck has her trial not happened yet

It starts next March I believe.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

this chick on onlyfans yet?

[atomheartbevo 89,737]

6 hours ago, Parliament said:

My dad always used that word. Have a taparep.

 

It's a great word, although I almost feel like it needs to be said in an upper Michigan accent.  

Edited September 13, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[woohorn 1,131]

Daddy wanted a son instead?

"Holmes' intends to use testimony from Dr. Mindy Mechanic, who is referenced by last name in the filing.

A clinical psychologist at California State University, Fullerton, Mechanic's "work focuses on the psychosocial consequences of violence, trauma and victimization with an emphasis on violence against women and other forms of interpersonal violence," according to the University's website."

[Reagan1k 3,024]

Convincing a narcissist to use a mental defect defense would be a fascinating exercise in reverse manipulation.

She would have to be convinced that she can outsmart the prosecutor and jury by “faking” being a nutcase, when in fact she is. 

She’ll never take the stand but if she did that testimony and cross would be amazing to see. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,531]

I wonder what a narcissist would think “faking” narcissism on the stand would look like?  Colonel jessup?

[millhouse 2,615]

Imagine the shit show if this fraud was still in business promising finger prick COVID tests with 30 min turn time

[Reagan1k 3,024]

28 minutes ago, millhouse said:

Imagine the shit show if this fraud was still in business promising finger prick COVID tests with 30 min turn time

She wouldn’t waste time with a finger prick.  It would be a used airport metal detector that you walked through for a text.  Some Xmas lights and crepe paper to redecorate it and you have a $20b market valuation.  

[atomheartbevo 89,737]

1 hour ago, Reagan1k said:

Convincing a narcissist to use a mental defect defense would be a fascinating exercise in reverse manipulation.

She would have to be convinced that she can outsmart the prosecutor and jury by “faking” being a nutcase, when in fact she is. 

She’ll never take the stand but if she did that testimony and cross would be amazing to see. 

I'm pretty sure she already thinks she can outsmart the prosecutor and jury.  Faking being a nutcase is the easy part.

[atomheartbevo 89,737]

5 minutes ago, Reagan1k said:

She wouldn’t waste time with a finger prick.  It would be a used airport metal detector that you walked through for a text.  Some Xmas lights and crepe paper to redecorate it and you have a $20b market valuation.  

The Silicon Valley series on HBO should have switched gears and deal with the medical startups, because I can picture this.

[Reagan1k 3,024]

26 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm pretty sure she already thinks she can outsmart the prosecutor and jury.  Faking being a nutcase is the easy part.

“Look Elizabeth, we know you were a week away from revolutionizing medicine and all these idiots just don’t understand brilliance when they see it, but we’re going to need you to act like.......”