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6 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Not a single question tonight about open borders, illegal immigration or free shit for said illegals.  I guess that the 7 on stage have pretty much already staked out their positions on those topics.  Those topics may come up in the general election.

Not everyone pisses down their leg or starts foaming at the mouth when they see brown people.

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bad_teammate

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Again, I'll vote for whomever the Dems roll out in the general but I have little faith any of them will actually win.  Depressing. 
That's fine. As someone who will be actively involved (if democracy works), I just have two requests.

1 - Make sure you vote.
2 - If you have any level of influence on any voter anywhere, out the Eeyore routine about electability in a drawer.
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Not a single question tonight about open borders, illegal immigration or free shit for said illegals.  I guess that the 7 on stage have pretty much already staked out their positions on those topics.  Those topics may come up in the general election.

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TexEx15

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14 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Nina in bad faith attacked Pete's comments. 

 

And here is the reality/context.

 

And that’s the problem with social media.  Anyone can make their own truth.  Look how frenzied the responses are to Nina’s tweet.

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1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

Pete had a great line last night that resonated.  something along the lines of 'people want to be able to turn on the TV and see their President and not have their blood pressure rise'.  Bernie and Trump have the same effect of stressing people the fuck out.

Pete Buttigieg's pundit career is only weeks away.

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3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

How do y'all read this?
 

I read it as pointless. There are 6 seconds where you can't see the candidates and the only thing we know is that Warren and Sanders started that six seconds next to each other and ended it even closer together and facing each other. Nobody has any idea if they shook hands based only on that video.

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bad_teammate

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You guys should be able to explain what Pete meant. You can't.

Pete didn't know what he was talking about. He thought he had a cute canned line that made Bernie sound old but he didn't think it through because he's not as smart as he thinks he is. He even repeated his cute little line in the post-debate interviews as his campaign was hastily deleting it from Twitter and trying to shove it down the Memory Hole.

I'll go ahead and make the list of "revolutionary politics of the 1960s" that Bernie Sanders has "nostalgia" for:

- Racial desegregation in schools (an issue he was arrested for while chained to black women in the 1960s)
- Racial desegregation in housing (he was the president of CORE at UChicago and led the first anti-housing-discrimination protest outside of the South in the 1960s)
- Gender and sexual liberation and equality (he wrote essays at the time that are trying to be used against him now but actually just reveal him to be just as ahead-of-his-time as we already knew)
- Literacy programs (at home and abroad)
- Health programs (at home and abroad)
- Anti-poverty programs (at home and abroad)
- Pro-democracy movements (at home and abroad)

Meanwhile, Pvt. Report Card walked past Iraq War protesters and living wage activists in college and called them "social justice warriors" in his memoir.

The Homework Kid didn't do his homework and said something he shouldn't have said. He's getting owned for it, and you guys are desperately flailing with "Heh this is funny, actually, To Me."

I am inviting you guys to own me and make me look stupid. Make your list of the revolutionary politics of the 1960s that you honestly believe Bernie has nostalgia for.

 

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bad_teammate

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

I read it as pointless. There are 6 seconds where you can't see the candidates and the only thing we know is that Warren and Sanders started that six seconds next to each other and ended it even closer together and facing each other. Nobody has any idea if they shook hands based only on that video.

Yeah I can't make heads or tails of it, either. Just wondering if anyone had seen more.

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What was Pete attacking then?

It's a simple question that NONE of you can answer.

Pete is saying that the revolutionary politics of the 1960s that Bernie has nostalgia for are bad for the general election, right? Yes?

Excellent, so ... what are those politics? List them out. List out Bernie's problematic political beliefs.

You won't, because you know they don't actually exist.

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5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What was Pete attacking then?

It's a simple question that NONE of you can answer.

Pete is saying that the revolutionary politics of the 1960s that Bernie has nostalgia for are bad for the general election, right? Yes?

Excellent, so ... what are those politics? List them out. List out Bernie's problematic political beliefs.

You won't, because you know they don't actually exist.

This is what bad faith arguments look like, folks. BT just completely ignores the video/text for context, and tries to paint an uglier picture and change the subject.  Here it is...again. 

 

 

"This is not about what coups were happening in the 1970s or 80s. This is about the future. This is about 2020. We are not going to survive or succeed and we're certainly not going to win by reliving the Cold War."  "...a nominee looking at the bright side of the Castro regime."

It's right there. And BT ignores it.  Disagree with the commentary if you like, but the answer is right there. And his supporters and campaign want you to believe he was talking about the Civil Rights movement. What a fucking joke. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:
"This is not about what coups were happening in the 1970s or 80s. This is about the future. This is about 2020. We are not going to survive or succeed and we're certainly not going to win by reliving the Cold War."  "...a nominee looking at the bright side of the Castro regime."

1970s and 80s aren't the 60s, so that's irrelevant and shouldn't even be quoted. Pete should be smart enough to understand decades.

How is Bernie "reliving the Cold War"?

As for "looking at the bright side of the Castro regime", is that something Bernie actually brings up on his own and makes a feature of his politics? Or did he just answer someone else's question?

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It's right there. And BT ignores it.  Disagree with the commentary if you like, but the answer is right there.

No, it's not.

Is the contention that Bernie is going to go around in the general and bring up Castro unbidden? Or is it just that he might say, "Castro's literacy program was good" if he's asked?

Because if it's the second one, what will Pete say to the same question? Is it going to be different than what Obama or Sanders would say?

Please answer, Pete dead-enders.

 

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2 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Both Pete was thinking about the Civil Right Movement and Bernie loves Cuba arguments are stupid and distracting, but keep up the hate and lets see how many stupid talking points we have planted in the minds of voters before Trump even mentions them in the first debate.

Well, Trump voters are already passing around the talking point that Bernie is a Communist. So, that ship has sailed if Pete was refering to 1960s Bernie Sanders.

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Where is the confusion, unless we are pretending to be confused?

Pete had a savage line which was topical where he opportunistically piggybacked on the media attack and snippet where Bernie said good things about Cuba and literacy. It was nothing more than a throw-away roast line which landed because Pete is a good orator, if nothing else. It was funny and pithy and took a little bit of the truth and twisted it into an insult. It's like you people have never listened to a rap battle lololol

Pete and audience "like lolomgz he did that tho!"

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SimonBolivar

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Just now, pacman said:

Well, Trump voters are already passing around the talking point that Bernie is a Communist. So, that ship has sailed if Pete was refering to 1960s Bernie Sanders.

Yeah no doubt it was, but there is a difference when the opposition party brings something up and then when members of your own party bring it up. I get that he has to make himself distinct, but there is a difference between saying that Bernie has an electability problem and saying that he longs for the Cuban Revolution which was the implication.

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Who here honestly believes that Bernie has "nostalgia" for authoritarianism?

Who here honestly believes that Trump and the GOP wouldn't scream "SOCIALIST! COMMIE LOVER!" at Pete in a Buttigieg v Trump general election?

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One could argue that it's easier to land those attacks on Bernie, but if you seriously want a candidate to say, "No, Castro never did anything good he's history's greatest villain" you'd be ignoring a very very huge problem here: You'd be running to Donald Trump's right on foreign policy.

One of the many reasons Hillary lost to him.

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Dbeasy

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No, it's not.
Is the contention that Bernie is going to go around in the general and bring up Castro unbidden? Or is it just that he might say, "Castro's literacy program was good" if he's asked?
Because if it's the second one, what will Pete say to the same question? Is it going to be different than what Obama or Sanders would say?
Please answer, Pete dead-enders.
 


Jeez dude, you are ridiculous. It’s obvious from the context that he’s talking about the Castro revolution. This type of blatant mis-interpretation of information by biased supporters like you is an asswhip. You guys on the left and right will do anything and everything to bend information to your world-view, rather than just looking at the information and objectively evaluating it. And the right is way way worse than the left about bending information to their world view.
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6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Cuban revolution was in the 50s, not the 60s.

Homework Pete fails again. :(

Castro was highly popular in the 50s in the US and he didn't really drift towards communism until the end of the decade with it becoming truly anti-US in the first year of the 60s.

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1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

Castro was highly popular in the 50s in the US and he didn't really drift towards communism until the end of the decade with it becoming truly anti-US in the first year of the 60s.

You're leaving out a fairly important event in 1961 that might be an explanation as to why he became more rabidly anti-US.

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People should be asking why in such an allegedly nightmarish country like Cuba they have a lower infant mortality rate and a longer live expectancy than we do here.  How do people who subscribe to the propaganda regarding Cuba explain that exactly?  

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1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

People should be asking why in such an allegedly nightmarish country like Cuba they have a lower infant mortality rate and a longer live expectancy than we do here.  How do people who subscribe to the propaganda regarding Cuba explain that exactly?  

Authoritarian regimes are capable of social progress. That does not make them any less authoritarian.

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5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

People should be asking why in such an allegedly nightmarish country like Cuba they have a lower infant mortality rate and a longer live expectancy than we do here.  How do people who subscribe to the propaganda regarding Cuba explain that exactly?  

When the doctors don't report the data the govt' wants they disappear?

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Authoritarian regimes are capable of social progress. That does not make them any less authoritarian.

I would agree with this, but I think the conception of Cuba on the right is different than say Singapore.  Unlike the Nordic countries, no one on the right argues that Cuba is not communist, and I am not aware of very many voices on the right willing to concede that communism is capable of delivering substantial social progress.  

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3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

What’s the worst thing Castro ever did to the USA, other than the time he and the Soviets pointed nuclear missiles at us from Cuba and the world came nearer to nuclear holocaust than any other time in history?

Pretty weird that a guy who we actively tried to kill multiple times would find the biggest ally they could to defend himself and his country from us, huh?

hmmm

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2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

When the doctors don't report the data the govt' wants they disappear?

I heard in Cuba they don't actually disappear the doctors, they just tell them that the Cucui will get them if they report the actual data.  

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Centrists really think running the "the CIA is good and America doesn't do bad things" candidate is going to win.
Absolute and complete imbeciles.


Making up information about what others think and posting it only makes you look like an imbecile.
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