Kyler Murray - The Savior or Satan of OU Football

[Napoleon 8,710]

No one watched his Pro Day on NFL Network and commented on it?

Are you guys all at work or something?

(It's lightly blizzarding in Denver, as was forecast last night, so no one is out.)

[Rimbo 26,438]

I'm dying here. This is a comment thread where folks are making up stories of bumping in to Kyler Murray. Each response flips the story to where Kyler is either a giant or an ant.

[BurntOrange&White 40,449]

Early reports are he looked great throwing at his pro day.

[Nope 3,143]

No 40 time?

[Machinator 32,099]

3 minutes ago, Nope said:

No 40 time?

Didn't run.

[Tex Pete 20,970]

Regardless of measurables, he’s a gigantic pussy. 

[Tex Long 4,511]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Regardless of measurables, he’s a gigantic pussy. 

You don't know that for sure unless you measure...

[Wishbone 4,841]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Regardless of measurables, he’s a gigantic pussy. 

His only measurable that has been confirmed.

[Hagbard Celine 10,996]

wfaa abc 8 5pm sports:

Murray refused the height measurement.

Seriously.

[Neonmoon 38,130]

Why would he skip his height measurement at his Pro Day? Did he think he was going to shrink? 

[Constant 6,760]

 

Edited March 14, 2019 by Constant

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,430]

Why would he skip his height measurement at his Pro Day? Did he think he was going to shrink? 

Because he somehow measured at 5-10 at the combine. He didn’t want to be 5-8 today.

[Buddy Hinton 103]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

wfaa abc 8 5pm sports:

Murray refused the height measurement.

Seriously.

I don't think any of the guys that were invited to the combine re-measured height, hands etc

 

[Mileslong 4,747]

I don't think any of the guys that were invited to the combine re-measured height, hands etc
 

Or run the 40?

[Buddy Hinton 103]

8 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

Or run the 40?

No. Only 4 non combine guys ran the 40.

[Mileslong 4,747]

No. Only 4 non combine guys ran the 40.

Everyone knows he didn’t run because of the fat he put on for the weigh in and was afraid it would show up in his 40 time. And we also knew he wouldn’t let them measure him again either.

[CashMcCoy 3,216]

2 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

 

Because he somehow measured at 5-10 at the combine. He didn’t want to be 5-8 today.

 

Kevin Murray paid off the combine officials

[Buddy Hinton 103]

28 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

Everyone knows he didn’t run because of the fat he put on for the weigh in and was afraid it would show up in his 40 time. And we also knew he wouldn’t let them measure him again either.

Well no one seemed to concerned about that on the ESPN or The NFL Network coverage.

He is short. He is fast. The teams interested in him didn't come Norman to verify that. They came to watch him throw

 

Edited March 14, 2019 by Buddy Hinton

[sushihorn 3,233]

1 hour ago, Buddy Hinton said:

I don't think any of the guys that were invited to the combine re-measured height, hands etc

 

Murray is the only one who has the size issue hanging over his head (literally).  Anyone with eyes knows the 5'10" measurement was questionable at best. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

LOL at this thread.   Yes he's fucking short and he probably fudged that 5'10'' height somehow.  Nobody here knows more than the guys evaluating him and he's still number 1 according to most.  Well you all know he sucks more than any of the draft gurus...but outside of that who gives a fuck that he's short or packed on weight blah blah blah.  Just count down the days until you can see him broken when he lines up for a snap. 

[Surly Bevo 25,523]

Pro Days are worthless.

 

 

Johnny looked great at his. Others who have been awesome have not.

 

Way too controlled.

 

Also OU sucks. But you knew that.

[sushihorn 3,233]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL at this thread.   Yes he's fucking short and he probably fudged that 5'10'' height somehow.  Nobody here knows more than the guys evaluating him and he's still number 1 according to most.  Well you all know he sucks more than any of the draft gurus...but outside of that who gives a fuck that he's short or packed on weight blah blah blah.  Just count down the days until you can see him broken when he lines up for a snap. 

We're enjoying watching the Murrays' low character playing out right before our very eyes.  Everything else will happen in due course.  If RG3 wasn't durable enough to make a career at QB, I expect Murray will have an even shorter time in the league once the bodies start flying.

[Jkwellborn 6,878]

We're enjoying watching the Murrays' low character playing out right before our very eyes.  Everything else will happen in due course.  If RG3 wasn't durable enough to make a career at QB, I expect Murray will have an even shorter time in the league once the bodies start flying.

Why is that? Wasn’t RG3 injures a time or two at Baylor? Has Murray had any injuries playing football? I think he got knocked stupid one time when he was at aggy, but I don’t recall hearing of any injuries.

The guy is fast, quick and has a heck of a sense of preservation.

[sushihorn 3,233]

7 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Why is that? Wasn’t RG3 injures a time or two at Baylor? Has Murray had any injuries playing football? I think he got knocked stupid one time when he was at aggy, but I don’t recall hearing of any injuries.

The guy is fast, quick and has a heck of a sense of preservation.

Murray is both a shit talker and a little bitch.  I can see defenders deliberately taking shots at him as well as pissed off teammates matador blocking to let a pass rusher through.  VY also got injured despite being much bigger and stronger with no real history of injury in college. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

14 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

We're enjoying watching the Murrays' low character playing out right before our very eyes.  Everything else will happen in due course.  If RG3 wasn't durable enough to make a career at QB, I expect Murray will have an even shorter time in the league once the bodies start flying.

 

10 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Why is that? Wasn’t RG3 injures a time or two at Baylor? Has Murray had any injuries playing football? I think he got knocked stupid one time when he was at aggy, but I don’t recall hearing of any injuries.

The guy is fast, quick and has a heck of a sense of preservation.

My answer was taken.  Some guys are slippery like that.  I’ve been never seen him take a clean shot.  RG3 was always dealing w nagging injuries.  

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

3 minutes ago, sushihorn said:

Murray is both a shit talker and a little bitch.  I can see defenders deliberately taking shots at him as well as pissed off teammates matador blocking to let a pass rusher through.  VY also got injured despite being much bigger and stronger with no real history of injury in college. 

Lol.  Just like the Baker is a bitch that nobody likes to play for and will be hated narrative.  Blah blah blah.  Believe it or not NFL players don’t get as pissed at an opposing player as a rival fan base.  You know better than that.  ‘They’re gonna get so mad they’ll cheap shot him.’  Lmao.  It’s a business and these guys know it.  

Edited March 14, 2019 by ChiTownDoc

[lemonandaturd 4,285]

8 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Why is that? Wasn’t RG3 injures a time or two at Baylor? Has Murray had any injuries playing football? I think he got knocked stupid one time when he was at aggy, but I don’t recall hearing of any injuries.

The guy is fast, quick and has a heck of a sense of preservation.

I wonder about his pain threshold.  He may have never been hurt in college, but mobile QB's like Colt McCoy, RG3, Alex Smith all have managed to get twisted knees and broken bones in the NFL.  Tony Romo broke his freaking back.  Joe Theismann's leg snapped like a twig.  Sooner rather than later Murray will get the piss knocked out of him.   Manziel got hit so hard that he decided to flee to Las Vegas rather than start another NFL game. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

Just now, lemonandaturd said:

I wonder about his pain threshold.  He may have never been hurt in college, but mobile QB's like Colt McCoy, RG3, Alex Smith all have managed to get twisted knees and broken bones in the NFL.  Tony Romo broke his freaking back.  Joe Theismann's leg snapped like a twig.  Sooner rather than later Murray will get the piss knocked out of him.   Manziel got hit so hard that he decided to flee to Las Vegas rather than start another NFL game. 

Manziel was a headcase, injuries didn't end him.  In the old NFL, Kyler wouldn't even be drafted.  QB's have insane protection and that's his chance.  I think he'll have some nagging injuries like all players but in the end he probably just doesn't have all the tools/size needed to remain a starter in the NFL.  Hell, being McCoy or Bradford isn't so bad.  Put 15-20M away, hold a clipboard, have a front row seat for the greatest sport known to mankind. 

[Jkwellborn 6,878]

Murray is both a shit talker and a little bitch.  I can see defenders deliberately taking shots at him as well as pissed off teammates matador blocking to let a pass rusher through.  VY also got injured despite being much bigger and stronger with no real history of injury in college. 

If he makes them competitive or helps them win, there won’t be any matador blocking. Considering guys livelihoods are based off of how well they are blocking, there’s probably not gonna be much anyway.

I understand questioning his pain tolerance. He’s definitely a shit taker and bitch. If a defender gets a chance to hit him good, it’s gonna happen and they probably pile up on him.

[Vic Mackey 47,310]

14 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Lol.  Just like the Baker is a bitch that nobody likes to play for and will be hated narrative.  Blah blah blah.  Believe it or not NFL players don’t get as pissed at an opposing player as a rival fan base.  You know better than that.  ‘They’re gonna get so mad they’ll cheap shot him.’  Lmao.  It’s a business and these guys know it.  

One day the Shag will be right about an OU QB....Maybe...

[lemonandaturd 4,285]

Gregg Williams just might relapse and put a bounty on his tiny ass.  Just for old times sake.  Let's see if he can take a Favre level beating.  

Edited March 14, 2019 by lemonandaturd

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

13 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

Gregg Williams just might relapse and put a bounty on his tiny ass.  Just for old times sake.  Let's see if he can take a Favre level beating.  

That era of sports with the Eagles bounty hunting and the Jordan rules/Pistons had will never be topped.  I may be biased but I stand by that.  These guys are all too aware it's a business now a days.  Back then it was life and death...pretty literal when you see the punishment Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Chuck Cecil and company dished out.  

[Tex Pete 20,970]

2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL at this thread.   Yes he's fucking short and he probably fudged that 5'10'' height somehow.  Nobody here knows more than the guys evaluating him and he's still number 1 according to most.  Well you all know he sucks more than any of the draft gurus...but outside of that who gives a fuck that he's short or packed on weight blah blah blah.  Just count down the days until you can see him broken when he lines up for a snap. 

He’s a cunt and a bitch. Fuck OU. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,225]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

He’s a cunt and a bitch. Fuck OU. 

Concise and to the point.  Needed that. 

[Victor Lazlo 1,788]

1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

once the bodies start flying.

Let the bodies hit the floor 

[pops 7,044]

He's going to get hit. Yeah, this is probably illegal in the NFL now, but that's never stopped Suh. Or Donald. Who, if he goes to Arizona, will only get about 140 chances per year to break him. 

[Tex Pete 20,970]

Hopefully Suh goes Bam Bam on him and cracks his bitchass skull the first time out. 

[Napoleon 8,710]

7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

wfaa abc 8 5pm sports:

Murray refused the height measurement.

Seriously.

 

6 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Why would he skip his height measurement at his Pro Day? Did he think he was going to shrink? 

 

3 hours ago, sushihorn said:

Murray is the only one who has the size issue hanging over his head (literally).  Anyone with eyes knows the 5'10" measurement was questionable at best. 

I honestly think that he used some form of traction for several days, maybe weeks, leading up to the combine and most probably was using it until not long before he had to go to be measured.

All people are tallest when they first wake up and then your body slowly settles throughout the day and you are shortest right before going to sleep. But in addition to this, traction can help stretch you to your limit before you start that process. What I don't know is whether it can be painful or make it difficult to perform athletic activities. If so, I could see how any running or throwing might have produced less-than-stellar results, so gaining wait and being stretched before the combine were his two biggest requirements, and he "passed" them. At his Pro Day, it was throwing the ball.

[Napoleon 8,710]

2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

Why is that? Wasn’t RG3 injures a time or two at Baylor? Has Murray had any injuries playing football? I think he got knocked stupid one time when he was at aggy, but I don’t recall hearing of any injuries.

The guy is fast, quick and has a heck of a sense of preservation.

Yes, RGIII tore his ACL twice in college (or high school and college). Then he had a coach who left him in a game when he was injured because the coach only cared about his own job, not his franchise QB. That won't happen to Murray. He's been healthy and he won't risk his career for a stupid coach.

 

1 hour ago, sushihorn said:

Murray is both a shit talker and a little bitch.  I can see defenders deliberately taking shots at him as well as pissed off teammates matador blocking to let a pass rusher through.  VY also got injured despite being much bigger and stronger with no real history of injury in college. 

Never in the history of the NFL have QBs been as protected as they are now.

Murray will get dinged around a bit, but he'll be fine and most likely have a 10+ year career. Any comparison to VY or the flagrant headshots that Cam Newton had to endure even two years ago are completely irrelevant. Murray is going to play well and piss us off for a long time. Sorry to disappoint.

[sushihorn 3,233]

52 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Murray is going to play well and piss us off for a long time. Sorry to disappoint.

Doubtful.  There might be one team in the NFL that spreads it out anywhere close to the degree that OU did for Murray.  He's going to be facing pass rushes in much tighter spaces in the pocket.  I suppose this will give him plenty of opportunities to slide for a sack.  As for the protection of the rules, we'll see how much defenders like Suh respect that.

[Napoleon 8,710]

1 minute ago, sushihorn said:

Doubtful.  There might be one team in the NFL that spreads it out anywhere close to the degree that OU did for Murray.  He's going to be facing pass rushes in much tighter spaces in the pocket.  I suppose this will give him plenty of opportunities to slide for a sack.  As for the protection of the rules, we'll see how much defenders like Suh respect that.

Yes we will. 

Is Suh  going to resign with the Rams?

Is he going to actually play better than he did in 2018?

If he is with the Rams, he'll have to make sure that he isn't already suspended for the Cardinals matchups.

[sushihorn 3,233]

4 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Yes we will. 

Is Suh  going to resign with the Rams?

Is he going to actually play better than he did in 2018?

If he is with the Rams, he'll have to make sure that he isn't already suspended for the Cardinals matchups.

It's not as if Suh is the only guy who plays defense that way.  He's just the most blatant about it.  And do you really want to hang your hat on the assumption that the Cardinals are going to waste their pick on Kyler Murray and Suh will already be suspended when they meet?

Also it will be interesting to see if KK installs the double wide line splits and how effective that blocking scheme will be with NFL rules and refs.  If the OL can't hold blatantly, pass pro breaks down pretty badly with that alignment.

Edited March 14, 2019 by sushihorn

[DigglerontheHoof 21,283]

4 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

One day the Shag will be right about an OU QB....Maybe...

True but Kyler is still a bitch w/ an ultimately punchable face.  Maybe the most punchable face in football. 

[Sandman 3,420]

He hasn't been injury prone but I could totally see a huge DL take him down and land on him, breaking a collarbone or worse. He's not big enough to shrug off hits like Cam Newton or the Rapist. 

[El Diablo 4,232]

1 hour ago, Sandman said:

He hasn't been injury prone but I could totally see a huge DL take him down and land on him, breaking a collarbone or worse. He's not big enough to shrug off hits like Cam Newton or the Rapist. 

Hell, he couldn't shrug off a bear hug from one of Vics cholas.

[Jkwellborn 6,878]

Hell, he couldn't shrug off a bear hug from one of Vics cholas.

To be far, most people can’t.

Sushi, do you really think they don’t hold blatantly in the nfl? Have you watched any patriots games?

[kopp0e 1,135]

6 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

To be far, most people can’t.

Sushi, do you really think they don’t hold blatantly in the nfl? Have you watched any patriots games?

If you ain't cheating you aint trying..?

[Gil Bang 26,100]

Nm

[Gil Bang 26,100]

I honestly think that he used some form of traction for several days, maybe weeks, leading up to the combine and most probably was using it until not long before he had to go to be measured.
All people are tallest when they first wake up and then your body slowly settles throughout the day and you are shortest right before going to sleep. But in addition to this, traction can help stretch you to your limit before you start that process. What I don't know is whether it can be painful or make it difficult to perform athletic activities. If so, I could see how any running or throwing might have produced less-than-stellar results, so gaining wait and being stretched before the combine were his two biggest requirements, and he "passed" them. At his Pro Day, it was throwing the ball.

Worked for Barney Fife

[Atticus 4,017]

15 hours ago, Napoleon said:

Yes we will. 

Is Suh  going to resign with the Rams?

Is he going to actually play better than he did in 2018?

If he is with the Rams, he'll have to make sure that he isn't already suspended for the Cardinals matchups.

Kyler is going to have to take hits. If he leaves plays on the field because he's avoiding hits, he will get called out on it at multiple levels.