Kyler Murray - The Savior or Satan of OU Football

[ChemicalHorn 355]

15 hours ago, markstanco said:

15 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Colt McCoy and Robert Griffin both nearly had their careers ended by huge hits. Both are pretty elusive and much bigger than Kyler Murray. 

Good point. I can't recall KM getting rocked a bunch of times though. He seems to pass and miss the big hits, ducks down and take the L, or runs out of bounds.

Yeah dudes afraid of contact, watched him take a big loss multiple times last year instead of maybe getting hit. I guess counterpoint is they were never hurting for big plays to make up those yards with him back there.

[Drew 2408]

2 hours ago, futureman said:

give it a couple months.  you’ll have a hard on for mike white, too. 

Going to be hard(yep, did that) to do with him on the practice squad...

[BurntOrange&White 39932]

Yeah dudes afraid of contact, watched him take a big loss multiple times last year instead of maybe getting hit. I guess counterpoint is they were never hurting for big plays to make up those yards with him back there.

And you see Peyton and Tom Brady do the same thing.

[Vic Mackey 47037]

First throw was off the back foot and largely luck that he got it out in front of the LB to his man; If I'm an AZ fan I'm worried about that throwing mentality, but gunslingers gonna gunsling I guess. The last throw was really damn nice, dime down the sideline. Props for that one. In balance, in rhythm, on target and on time.

You have to accept that from gunslingers. They are going to make throws that leave you in awe and the very next play will have you like WTF?! I am a Dallas fan so Romo was a very poor man's Favre. You just have to hope the ups outweigh the lows by a good amount. Many never do. Gunslingers are entertaining to watch from a neutral view. I just don't really prefer them for my team.

But you can't really try and coach it out if them. It's what got them to the level they are at.

I'm in the camp that Murray and Mayfield will both be good pro QBs. Not sure how good but I don't think they are going to suck. Mayfield should be the better of the 2 though at this level.

[Vic Mackey 47037]

Good point. I can't recall KM getting rocked a bunch of times though. He seems to pass and miss the big hits, ducks down and take the L, or runs out of bounds.

I never got why so many on here criticized him for this. I mean I guess because this is Texas board and he's at OU. But I don't want my QB to go out there and start taking unnecessary hits. Fuck that. This is a QBs game. You don't win without one so I want mine standing up to play. I also want one smart enough to know this and to avoid them when possible.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

45 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

20 hours ago, markstanco said:

Good point. I can't recall KM getting rocked a bunch of times though. He seems to pass and miss the big hits, ducks down and take the L, or runs out of bounds.

I never got why so many on here criticized him for this. I mean I guess because this is Texas board and he's at OU. But I don't want my QB to go out there and start taking unnecessary hits. Fuck that. This is a QBs game. You don't win without one so I want mine standing up to play. I also want one smart enough to know this and to avoid them when possible.

I think you figured it out. 

 

On a more serious note, I think you're right in that they'll both be good but Baker should be better.  Not sure I see anything better than 'good' in their future but I'd take being a good NFL QB.  

[capnamerca 571]

20 hours ago, markstanco said:

On 7/28/2019 at 12:35 PM, capnamerca said:

First throw was off the back foot and largely luck that he got it out in front of the LB to his man; If I'm an AZ fan I'm worried about that throwing mentality, but gunslingers gonna gunsling I guess. The last throw was really damn nice, dime down the sideline. Props for that one. In balance, in rhythm, on target and on time.

Now analyze him if he played for texas.

Ready?

First throw was off the back foot and largely luck that he got it out in front of the LB to his man; If I'm an TX fan I'm worried about that throwing mentality, but gunslingers gonna gunsling I guess. The last throw was really damn nice, dime down the sideline. Props for that one. In balance, in rhythm, on target and on time.

[capnamerca 571]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

20 hours ago, markstanco said:

Good point. I can't recall KM getting rocked a bunch of times though. He seems to pass and miss the big hits, ducks down and take the L, or runs out of bounds.

I never got why so many on here criticized him for this. I mean I guess because this is Texas board and he's at OU. But I don't want my QB to go out there and start taking unnecessary hits. Fuck that. This is a QBs game. You don't win without one so I want mine standing up to play. I also want one smart enough to know this and to avoid them when possible.

After the noisy yellers and downright idiots are filtered out, most of us here are pretty complimentary of Kyler's skill set and achievements. He clearly wins, and he's clearly freakishly talented. He didn't start well with us 6 years ago, and he deserves some shit for that, but his on-field results speak for themselves.

Mayfield chokes on cock by choice. Fuck him.

[Eggo 3977]

2 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

Ready?

First throw was off the back foot and largely luck that he got it out in front of the LB to his man; If I'm an TX fan I'm worried about that throwing mentality, but gunslingers gonna gunsling I guess. The last throw was really damn nice, dime down the sideline. Props for that one. In balance, in rhythm, on target and on time.

You're not a Texas fan? 

[capnamerca 571]

Just now, Eggo said:

You're not a Texas fan? 

Que?

[UcancallmeSurly 451]

19 hours ago, futureman said:

thorpe award. 

you definitely have your moments. 

[mr.goodkat 464]

10 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

After the noisy yellers and downright idiots are filtered out, most of us here are pretty complimentary of Kyler's skill set and achievements. He clearly wins, and he's clearly freakishly talented. He didn't start well with us 6 years ago, and he deserves some shit for that, but his on-field results speak for themselves.

Mayfield chokes on cock by choice. Fuck him.

let us not forget he was a cunt at the cotton bowl  . he is a great talent AND a giant douche . fuck 'em both 

[Rabidhorn 121]

23 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

Colt McCoy and Robert Griffin both nearly had their careers ended by huge hits. Both are pretty elusive and much bigger than Kyler Murray. 

Shit, I got a Rat Terrier bigger than the chocolate midget. He will be out of the NFL in less than three years.

[lemonandaturd 4285]

1 minute ago, Rabidhorn said:

Shit, I got a Rat Terrier bigger than the chocolate midget. He will be out of the NFL in less than three years.

The NFL is close to flag football on QB's.  He may hang around.  Where is Jack Lambert when you really need him?  James Harrison still in the league?  

[wood 11225]

23 hours ago, markstanco said:

On 7/28/2019 at 12:35 PM, capnamerca said:

First throw was off the back foot and largely luck that he got it out in front of the LB to his man; If I'm an AZ fan I'm worried about that throwing mentality, but gunslingers gonna gunsling I guess. The last throw was really damn nice, dime down the sideline. Props for that one. In balance, in rhythm, on target and on time.

Now analyze him if he played for texas.

Yeah ... 'cuz you know, this board is famous for overlooking Texas qb flaws.

[markstanco 12577]

Shit, I got a Rat Terrier bigger than the chocolate midget. He will be out of the NFL in less than three years.

Like mark Sanchez and joey Harrington who only lasted 3 years?

 

On edit, maybe you should hit the edit button. Sheesh dude, WTF.

 

[Rabidhorn 121]

12 hours ago, markstanco said:

Like mark Sanchez and joey Harrington who only lasted 3 years?

 

On edit, maybe you should hit the edit button. Sheesh dude, WTF.

 

First question is WTF are you talking about? Sanchez and Harrington? are they 5'6 and 165 pounds?

Hit the edit button dude so what you said makes sense.

[SHOOTER12 8808]

17 hours ago, lemonandaturd said:

The NFL is close to flag football on QB's.  He may hang around.  Where is Jack Lambert when you really need him?  James Harrison still in the league?  

Fuck James Harrison, still think there needs to be a hit put out on him after the Colt criminal assault.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

This shit is going to be entertaining as all hell.  Maybe merge this and the Baker thread.  

[RPM 26320]

I'm just looking forward to that inevitable SportsCenter highlight hit he's going to take and suddenly realize he's not in Oklahoma any more.

[tbone_ 14123]

I’m looking forward to him just going away.

[markstanco 12577]

First question is WTF are you talking about? Sanchez and Harrington? are they 5'6 and 165 pounds?
Hit the edit button dude so what you said makes sense.

Is kyler 5'6 and 165? Everybody said he would get destroyed in D1 football. He won the heisman and didnt. Kyler is bigger than doug flutie was and he lasted until he was 40.

[Rudiger 1163]

1 hour ago, markstanco said:

10 hours ago, Rabidhorn said:

First question is WTF are you talking about? Sanchez and Harrington? are they 5'6 and 165 pounds?
Hit the edit button dude so what you said makes sense.

Is kyler 5'6 and 165? Everybody said he would get destroyed in D1 football. He won the heisman and didnt. Kyler is bigger than doug flutie was and he lasted until he was 40.

Doug Flutie drop kicked an extra point. No way Kyler ever does that. Maybe he gets drop kicked for an extra point....

Edited August 1, 2019 by Rudiger

[Jkwellborn 6701]

The NFL is close to flag football on QB's.  He may hang around.  Where is Jack Lambert when you really need him?  James Harrison still in the league?  

James Harrison is a massive piece of shit on the field. Dirty fucker. His cheap shot ass is most likely part of the reason the rules have been changed.

[Tex Pete 20354]

8 hours ago, markstanco said:

16 hours ago, Rabidhorn said:

First question is WTF are you talking about? Sanchez and Harrington? are they 5'6 and 165 pounds?
Hit the edit button dude so what you said makes sense.

Is kyler 5'6 and 165? Everybody said he would get destroyed in D1 football. He won the heisman and didnt. Kyler is bigger than doug flutie was and he lasted until he was 40.

Kyler took a couple of big shots against us, but his team was better than most he played, so he didn’t get hit a lot. Every team in the NFL has players as fast as him and will take shots at him. 

[RPM 26320]

LVH gonna decleat him if he tries to run.

[52-80 19157]

15 hours ago, markstanco said:

23 hours ago, Rabidhorn said:

First question is WTF are you talking about? Sanchez and Harrington? are they 5'6 and 165 pounds?
Hit the edit button dude so what you said makes sense.

Is kyler 5'6 and 165? Everybody said he would get destroyed in D1 football. He won the heisman and didnt. Kyler is bigger than doug flutie was and he lasted until he was 40.

Way more parity and physicality in NFL

[RollLeft 5045]

And he's back...

[Machinator 32099]

 

[C-Man 27225]

Forgot this was on. How did the little cunt look? Saw his stats.

[Longboard Horn 40322]

Kliff be like...

[Machinator 32099]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Forgot this was on. How did the little cunt look? Saw his stats.

All short throws, because their O-line sucks shit through a straw. Was on target with some zip, was able to escape pressure with his legs. As usual, went down to the ground when he saw the first sign of trouble, which he has to do at this level if he wants to survive.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

16 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Forgot this was on. How did the little cunt look? Saw his stats.

I mean, I thought he looked pretty fucking good, tbh. One preseason game, but I thought he looked good

[HeHateMe 885]

He looked short, but he was spinning it.

[SKA the boss 729]

So which is more likely...
a short, mobile qb with a shitty O line constrained to quick, short throws becomes an elite NFL qb
or
NFL def coordinators with large, fast players figure out some schemes to make him one dimensional and running for his life?

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

16 minutes ago, SKA the boss said:

So which is more likely...
a short, mobile qb with a shitty O line constrained to quick, short throws becomes an elite NFL qb
or
NFL def coordinators with large, fast players figure out some schemes to make him one dimensional and running for his life?

No middle ground, huh lol? I know we want him to be terrible, and he’s a shithead according to what we know about him, but he is a freak athlete with a really good arm. I’m not saying he’s going to have a career like Mike Vick (at all) but he reminds me of Vick more than anyone who has been in the league since Vick retired. Dump offs to David Johnson are going to help him out quite a bit. 

[Pato del Muerto 52498]

Looks like the kliff tech offense to me

[SKA the boss 729]

I’m not saying he’s going to have a career like Mike Vick...

Nice comparison. Amazing college qb.
So, you’re picking the floor?

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

28 minutes ago, SKA the boss said:

Nice comparison. Amazing college qb.
So, you’re picking the floor?

I’m just saying there are worst situations he could’ve gone to, IMO. Who knows what kind of HC kliff will be, but he’s not Jeff Fisher, or some lame duck coach that isn’t going to put his offense in a position to make the most out of their talent. He has a chance to be really good

Edited August 9, 2019 by youdunnf'dup

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10 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I’m just saying there are worst situations he could’ve gone to, IMO. Who knows what kind of HC kliff will be, but he’s not Jeff Fisher, or some lame duck coach that isn’t going to put his offense in a position to make the most out of their talent. He has a chance to be really good

I would imagine kliff will be the kind of head coach he was at tech. Where he got fired. And was replaced by a guy from Utah State. 

If their gm didn't have such a hard-on for McVay kliff would be an assistant at a bad usc team. 

But I do agree that the midget didn't look too bad.  At least better than I hoped anyway. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

12 minutes ago, pops said:

I would imagine kliff will be the kind of head coach he was at tech. Where he got fired. And was replaced by a guy from Utah State. 

If their gm didn't have such a hard-on for McVay kliff would be an assistant at a bad usc team. 

But I do agree that the midget didn't look too bad.  At least better than I hoped anyway. 

For the record, I’m not predicting that kliff is going to be a good head coach. I could easily see a scenario where he’s consistently letting his defense hang out to dry, and putting them in some really tough spots (kinda like chip Kelly did with Philly). I just don’t think his offense will put Kyler Murray in a position to fail the same way other coaches have put their young qbs in a position to fail. And he’s obviously really fucking talented. Let’s put it that way. 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

Baker and Kyler look like they’ll be ok at the least.  We need a Jalen Hurts seems like he sucks thread, pronto.  

[tbone_ 14123]

The good news is that they are both at probably the worst run franchises in the history of football.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The good news is that they are both at probably the worst run franchises in the history of football.

Jerry is trying damn hard to join that club.  

[totallynotabuttpirate 5400]

15 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Jerry is trying damn hard to join that club.  

Nah, 8-8 fo-evah. Gotta stay mediocre and sell hope and tickets. He knows if he goes full Browns he'll lose money. 

On a positive note, Stephen seems to be significatly less retarded when it comes to running a team.  

[Glenn Quagmire Pilot 129]

Watched him play in HS. He was a good QB on a very, very good team. His skills did not translate well in college ball. He is too short as well to play on a team like BlowU.

True.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

19 hours ago, tbone_ said:

The good news is that they are both at probably the worst run franchises in the history of football.

Normally I’d agree with you, but John Dorsey is pretty damn good at his job. Basically built the chiefs and the Browns entire roster.

[C-Man 27225]

Jerry is trying damn hard to join that club.  

This is such a lazy argument. The Cowboys are nowhere near the worst run team in the league. Could it be better? Absolutely. But they win more games than they lose, by a considerable margin the last 4-5 seasons, and successfully navigated a changeover from a franchise quarterback without missing much of a beat. Dallas, however, is in a spot where if it doesn’t win the Super Bowl the season is a failure. It’s like the Yankees in MLB.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

This is such a lazy argument. The Cowboys are nowhere near the worst run team in the league. Could it be better? Absolutely. But they win more games than they lose, by a considerable margin the last 4-5 seasons, and successfully navigated a changeover from a franchise quarterback without missing much of a beat. Dallas, however, is in a spot where if it doesn’t win the Super Bowl the season is a failure. It’s like the Yankees in MLB.

 

It’s actually better to be fucking bad and get good picks vs a first round playoff loss every year.  

But Jerry has backed off a bit and Stephen seems better.   You are cool with mediocre.  That’s fine.

[Glenn Quagmire Pilot 129]

13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

This is such a lazy argument. The Cowboys are nowhere near the worst run team in the league. Could it be better? Absolutely. But they win more games than they lose, by a considerable margin the last 4-5 seasons, and successfully navigated a changeover from a franchise quarterback without missing much of a beat. Dallas, however, is in a spot where if it doesn’t win the Super Bowl the season is a failure. It’s like the Yankees in MLB.

 

I dunno. I don’t think anyone outside Dallas and their fans thinks that’s a super bowl team.