The New Car Fanatic Thread

[tbone_ 14161]

You should stick around until it cranks up. They sound redonk.

[Bert Orange 1120]

On 5/17/2019 at 12:56 PM, HoustonHorn said:

 

 

They are definitely expensive as shit. Basically 90-100k which is crazy. Definitely have to go with the larger size though which cuts out anything Tahoe-sized and the MB.

With 2 dogs and two kids and going to the beach regularly, we need the "trunk" space.

When I went to the dealer, he said that 2nd role console could be removed.

Does the Expedition Max Platinum or whatever come with the Raptor engine? That might be a more reasonable option. At least in  the 70-80k range. Struggling with the concept of $100k for a car unless its a high-performance Porsche or something like that. But a fucking Lincoln?

Technically the Raptor is the same 6 cylinder ecoboost as every other ford eco boost 6. The larger turbos and tuning are what make it different (other than the F150 limited now)

[fattyflattie 4638]

On 5/17/2019 at 3:29 PM, Brew said:

Used is always a better deal, but I’m buying new. I’m going to eat the depreciation and I’ll survive.

I'm not completely certain about that.  I'll have to replace my truck in the next few years, so I've been watching the trends.  

A 2 yo 75-95k mile KR 250 are still in the neighborhood of 50-55k, pre-owned.  New is 75k.  So lets say the truck realistically lasts for 250k miles.  New owner is getting the first 1/3 of the miles (should be the best miles) and still is only paying for the first 1/3 of the truck.  So he's leaving the second buyer to pay the same dollar/mile he was, for his new truck.  If I'm going to pay the same dollar/mile amount, I would much rather it be on the first 75k miles, than the 75-250k mile range.  Those miles should be worth less, the truck certainly will be by then.   ETA:  There are obviously ALOT more people who can shell out 30k for a 150k mile diesel, than legitimately afford a new one.  That's why, IMO, they never drop much past that until they are old and fuuuuuuuucked up.  There are ALOT of the market in that 30k range that should be about 15k.   Ability to finance shit for 9 years or whatever fucking it all up too, but markets are markets. 

Where this screws me up is that I keep my vehicles for as long as they'll keep me.  Current ride is 11 yo and has 230k miles.  Batteries, a hub, and a set of brakes at 210k have been the "major" parts I've had to change.  I haven't had a payment in six years, and it's going to suck when I do again.  If you are OK always trading in just under 100k, I think you can do better buying new, at least with 3/4 - 1-ton diesel trucks.

As far as SUV's go, used ftmfw.  We bought wife's Denali 3 yo with 48k miles for just under 50% of sticker.    Truck would have passed for a 6 month old truck at time.  She's got over 200k on it now, so I've been following that market closely, too.  They may have more shit to go wrong, but nothing outside a camper trailer drops in depreciation like an Escalade.

Edited May 20, 2019 by fattyflattie

[HoustonHorn 1062]

Technically the Raptor is the same 6 cylinder ecoboost as every other ford eco boost 6. The larger turbos and tuning are what make it different (other than the F150 limited now)

So you are saying the limited had the same tuning as the Raptor?

[Handcruser 2805]

So you are saying the limited had the same tuning as the Raptor?

New limiteds do yes.


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[fattyflattie 4638]

30 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

 

New limiteds do yes.


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The limiteds were also avail with the 6.2 when the Raptors were still using them, iirc. 

ETA: Speaking on 150s. 

Edited May 20, 2019 by fattyflattie

[bigcigar 1165]

Not sure if this is the right place, but I’m not a car guy and looking for opinions. I’m thinking about replacing my g37 with a Lexus CPO IS or GS, but my car fanatic coworkers said I really should test drive a Genesis G70 first.

I’m going for long term reliability as a daily driver. I don’t drive fast or aggressively, but appreciate being able to move around slow drivers in the g37.

Thoughts on IS, GS or G70?

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

@Lurch had a genesis at one time and might could inform you on those. 

[Okie State 3847]

Based strictly on reliability, I'd go with the Lexus GS. The G70 does look interesting though so I'd definitely drive both.

Why not another Infiniti if you like your current one?

[tbone_ 14161]

I’d get whichever one you like best. They’re all good.

[bigcigar 1165]

My Infiniti has had annoying recurring issues, so I’m trying something else. I drove a GS350 and IS350 before heading to the genesis dealership. The dealership sucked (was a Hyundai dealership that sold genesis), but damn that car was a lot of fun. I’m seriously considering getting the 3.3T version. 

[52-80 19246]

I think the new BMW 3 series is really nice.  G70 for value.  Or go wholehog on the IS/GF with the V8

[PorscheGuy 127]

On 5/17/2019 at 8:24 AM, pepper brooks said:

I have had my Panamera GTS for one year now.  In that time I have put a little over 11k miles on it.  Clock is now at 22,XXX.  I have taken it in once for the scheduled 20k mile service.  That was about 1,800.  That price included replacing one tire.  I also had to replace the front windshield.  I have windshield replacement on my insurance so the glass cost me nothing.  What it did not know was after getting the windshield replaced I had to take it to the dealer to get all the cameras and lane departure sensors and shit re-set/programmed.  I still cannot figure out how all that shit needed to be done because I replaced the front windshield, but none of it worked after I replaced it and the window guy had told me I was going to have to get that done.  I Checked on line and confirmed because it sounded like bullshit to me.  Anyway, that shit cost me $500.  absurd.  OTher than that I had no  other issues requiring repairs.  One year in, and I continue to love this car more all the time.   I still thing the front end of this car is the best looking panamera to date including the latest model.  THe back has grown on me from every angle other than the straight side view.  That is still awkward at best.  The thing is so fun to drive for a giant of a car.  The sound of the that naturally aspirated V8 is a work of art.  The alcantara shows no signs of wear or degradation so far.  One thing that is a pain in the ass, and I knew it would be from my 911 is the cleaning of the leather in this thing.  Everything is leather.  The dash, the door panels, the coverings of the pillars inside, everything.  It's a mild pain in the ass in a small car like a 911.  It's a giant pain in the ass for a car of this size.  Takes forever to clean.  Takes forever to wash. Overall, I am about as pleased as I have ever been with a car purchase.  It is still "new" to me in that the more comfortable I am driving it the more capabilities it reveals. 

I agree with everything you mentioned.  I would add the wheels take forever to clean as well.  Good to know about replacing the glass issues.  Overall, I have been less then thrilled to say the least about my last few experiences at the dealership's service department.  Learned the hard way that when you get a flat, it has to be towed on a flat bed to the dealership, as there is no spare on the vehicle.  Sucks when you live 2 hours away and it happens late on a weeknight.  All the cost were covered.  Thank goodness I signed up for wheel and tire coverage.  Saved me over a grand.

Also, I prepaid for maintenance when I purchased both of my Panameras.  Which knocked it down to $1200.00.  

Overall happy with the car.  When in hybrid mode, I'm getting 39.9 MPG, plus 31 miles on pure electric each day.  Currently getting around 900 miles per tank of gas ($60.00).  To me, the performance is insane with that kind of fuel economy.  The thrust from the added electric torque (516 total max torque rating) puts a grin on your face when you press the little red "don't fuck with me" button on the steering wheel.  I miss a little on the exhaust note compared to your V8, but it still has a nice rumble.  

What kind of MPG are you getting?  How are the tires holding up overall?

 

[52-80 19246]

3 minutes ago, PorscheGuy said:

I agree with everything you mentioned.  I would add the wheels take forever to clean as well.  Good to know about replacing the glass issues.  Overall, I have been less then thrilled to say the least about my last few experiences at the dealership's service department.  Learned the hard way that when you get a flat, it has to be towed on a flat bed to the dealership, as there is no spare on the vehicle.  Sucks when you live 2 hours away and it happens late on a weeknight.  All the cost were covered.  Thank goodness I signed up for wheel and tire coverage.  Saved me over a grand.

Also, I prepaid for maintenance when I purchased both of my Panameras.  Which knocked it down to $1200.00.  

Overall happy with the car.  When in hybrid mode, I'm getting 39.9 MPG, plus 31 miles on pure electric each day.  Currently getting around 900 miles per tank of gas ($60.00).  To me, the performance is insane with that kind of fuel economy.  The thrust from the added electric torque (516 total max torque rating) puts a grin on your face when you press the little red "don't fuck with me" button on the steering wheel.  I miss a little on the exhaust note compared to your V8, but it still has a nice rumble.  

What kind of MPG are you getting?  How are the tires holding up overall?

 

cars without spares come with (temp) tire repair kit.  dont u have one in the trunk, or was it irreparable?

[Goofyboy 3296]

I agree with everything you mentioned.  I would add the wheels take forever to clean as well.  Good to know about replacing the glass issues.  Overall, I have been less then thrilled to say the least about my last few experiences at the dealership's service department.  Learned the hard way that when you get a flat, it has to be towed on a flat bed to the dealership, as there is no spare on the vehicle.  Sucks when you live 2 hours away and it happens late on a weeknight.  All the cost were covered.  Thank goodness I signed up for wheel and tire coverage.  Saved me over a grand.
Also, I prepaid for maintenance when I purchased both of my Panameras.  Which knocked it down to $1200.00.  
Overall happy with the car.  When in hybrid mode, I'm getting 39.9 MPG, plus 31 miles on pure electric each day.  Currently getting around 900 miles per tank of gas ($60.00).  To me, the performance is insane with that kind of fuel economy.  The thrust from the added electric torque (516 total max torque rating) puts a grin on your face when you press the little red "don't fuck with me" button on the steering wheel.  I miss a little on the exhaust note compared to your V8, but it still has a nice rumble.  
What kind of MPG are you getting?  How are the tires holding up overall?
 

Are the tires not runflat? The wife’s BMW has run flats instead of a spare.

[pepper brooks 580]

1 hour ago, PorscheGuy said:

I agree with everything you mentioned.  I would add the wheels take forever to clean as well.  Good to know about replacing the glass issues.  Overall, I have been less then thrilled to say the least about my last few experiences at the dealership's service department.  Learned the hard way that when you get a flat, it has to be towed on a flat bed to the dealership, as there is no spare on the vehicle.  Sucks when you live 2 hours away and it happens late on a weeknight.  All the cost were covered.  Thank goodness I signed up for wheel and tire coverage.  Saved me over a grand.

Also, I prepaid for maintenance when I purchased both of my Panameras.  Which knocked it down to $1200.00.  

Overall happy with the car.  When in hybrid mode, I'm getting 39.9 MPG, plus 31 miles on pure electric each day.  Currently getting around 900 miles per tank of gas ($60.00).  To me, the performance is insane with that kind of fuel economy.  The thrust from the added electric torque (516 total max torque rating) puts a grin on your face when you press the little red "don't fuck with me" button on the steering wheel.  I miss a little on the exhaust note compared to your V8, but it still has a nice rumble.  

What kind of MPG are you getting?  How are the tires holding up overall?

 

 

My mileage is probably 14-15 in the city.  I keep it in sport mode, keep my foot in the carpet, and drive in stop and go inner loop Houston traffic.  The tires are wearing pretty well at this point.  Probably have 3 months of life left in them.  I bet my wife's turbo Cayenne mileage is worse.  One thing I love on my Carrera S is the ceramic brakes.  No brake dust ever, and clean up is virtually nothing.  I have the turbo wheels on the Panamera GTS and they are an absolute bitch to keep clean.  Ive pretty much resigned to taking it only to a car wash.  It takes forever to wash the thing due to size, and I hate cleaning those wheels and all that damn leather inside.  

 

damn near 40 MPG is amazing on your Panamera.  Wow.  Those things are a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing.  They generally have the less sporty look with more demure front, the chrome trim around the door trim (more of a luxury styling in general), but they will move with all that torque.  

Edited May 22, 2019 by pepper brooks

[PittsburghTiger 6196]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/james-bond-aston-martin/?wc_mid=4035:16729&wc_rid=4035:31722704&_wcsid=774F7E068D8EC8BA44A2F56AAF6179393CEBF78E6D7CDADF

 

Wow, pretty cool.

[ChickenSandwich 9852]

8 hours ago, 52-80 said:

cars without spares come with (temp) tire repair kit.  dont u have one in the trunk, or was it irreparable?

Narrator: they NEVER work. Tried twice on X’s Boxster.  Waste of fucking time.  All it got you was a ruined suit and heat stroke, and then you eventually wait for the tow truck

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

1 hour ago, PittsburghTiger said:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/james-bond-aston-martin/?wc_mid=4035:16729&wc_rid=4035:31722704&_wcsid=774F7E068D8EC8BA44A2F56AAF6179393CEBF78E6D7CDADF

 

Wow, pretty cool.

I was going to ask if it came with a blood stained seat, but they mentioned that scene at the end of the article. 

[Bert Orange 1120]

12 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Narrator: they NEVER work. Tried twice on X’s Boxster.  Waste of fucking time.  All it got you was a ruined suit and heat stroke, and then you eventually wait for the tow truck

Agree with this. That said, mine had an air pump that plugged into the cigarette lighter. Saved my ass once. 

[Bert Orange 1120]

12 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/james-bond-aston-martin/?wc_mid=4035:16729&wc_rid=4035:31722704&_wcsid=774F7E068D8EC8BA44A2F56AAF6179393CEBF78E6D7CDADF

 

Wow, pretty cool.

Talk about wheels that are hard to clean...

[PittsburghTiger 6196]

1 hour ago, Bert Orange said:

Talk about wheels that are hard to clean...

True, but getting to wash the rest of that car would make up for that.

[pepper brooks 580]

23 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

 

Are the tires not runflat? The wife’s BMW has run flats instead of a spare.

 

none of ours have run flats nor a spare.  Back when I drove my 911 daily I once had to look under the car for something.  Maybe my kids ball had rolled under it.  whatever.  Anyway, I would look at the tires from the side and could only see about half the tire.  They looked pretty new.  I get down under the thing and notice the inner half of both rear tires is bare as a baby's ass with threads showing.  Had no idea the tires wore so much more on the inner halves.  the weight of the ending sitting back over the rear axle really wears out those rear tires.  After years of those Pirelli P2's that were allergic to pavement, and maybe lasted 5-7k miles, I finally ditched them and put some bridgestones on it.  They don't grip anywhere close to the others, but they've made it 15k miles.  Of course, I only drive the thing about 3k miles per year now, and don't go take it to the track anymore.  

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

Does Porsche build with negative camber on the rears to help with handling?  And is it adjustable?

Edited May 23, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Does Porsche build with negative camber on the tears to help with handling?  And is it adjustable?

I don’t remember what his specific model year and trim is, but I looked up a 2007 Carrera and the the spec for the rear is -1.5° +/- .25°. Nothing too extreme. But if it’s got directional tires you can’t really rotate the tires on staggered wheels unless you actually dismount them. Even then, it’s only side to side.

It’s adjustable via eccentric cam bolts. Pretty standard setup.

[Fat Bastard 602]

2020 x50i looks great with great engine specs. Buddy MD of mine is all-in because it just meets the 6000 lb weight limit to where he can deduct it fully. 

Edited May 23, 2019 by Fat Bastard

[Atxracer 797]

Looks like it's time to have a baby.  So, baby mama (no pics) needs a new baby hauler.  One of the more likely options is a Panamera but it has Alcantara.  I have had that in a GT3 and definitely would show wear so it scares me with a little messy one (it's a boy). Is this the worst idea ever or just really stupid.  

[elfenix 34332]

7 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

True, but getting to sex freshly waxed supermodels on the freshly waxed bonnet of that car makes up for it

ftfy

[PittsburghTiger 6196]

17 minutes ago, elfenix said:

ftfy

Well, when you put it THAT way.

[G650 14277]

3 hours ago, Atxracer said:

Looks like it's time to have a baby.  So, baby mama (no pics) needs a new baby hauler.  One of the more likely options is a Panamera but it has Alcantara.  I have had that in a GT3 and definitely would show wear so it scares me with a little messy one (it's a boy). Is this the worst idea ever or just really stupid.  

It's not the worst but it's up there.

[Atxracer 797]

That's kind of what I am thinking.  The dealer is saying you can put a ceramic coat on the Alcantara that protects it.  That's just hard to imagine with what a baby is capable of doing. 

[Okie State 3847]

Is the entire interior Alcantara? I have seat protectors on my seats. They have Alcantara accents and they still look new underneath.

[Atxracer 797]

I have just seen the build sheet but from that it appears the seats are which is what is worrying me.  I guess you could get weathertech covers which would work. 

[G650 14277]

Dude the Alcantara is pretty far down the list why a Panamera is a bad idea for a baby hauler.

[Atxracer 797]

Enlighten me.  Seriously. This (baby-ville) is unchartered territory for me.  First option was a new Cayenne then I got a Panamera as a loaner and it drove much better than a Cayenne.  Seems safe and large enough but still fun for baby-mama if baby is not in the car.

[Goofyboy 3296]

Go SUV and don’t look back. The amount of crap you haul around with the kid is unreal. Where you gonna put the stroller? Stroller and diaper bag. Oh, and when you travel, the pack and play. Also, I sat in a panamara back seat - not sure a car seat would sit in that well. Last - it’s low. It’s not super easy getting in and out or dropping a car seat in and out.

[fattyflattie 4638]

Listen to Goofy. Good news is by 2-3, you can do whatever. That backwards facing seat for first 18-24 months is the worst.   And think of everything you will be bringing, and then double it.  As far was messes, after 1 or so when they are less dependent on bottles, it gets less messy. As long as you don’t let them snack in the truck, like my wife does. DoubleFacepalm.jpg My truck stays clean because we don’t do food in it.  SUV with infotainment system.  Learning DVDs.  Keeps them quiet and they learn shit. 

[Atxracer 797]

2 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Go SUV and don’t look back. The amount of crap you haul around with the kid is unreal. Where you gonna put the stroller? Stroller and diaper bag. Oh, and when you travel, the pack and play. Also, I sat in a panamara back seat - not sure a car seat would sit in that well. Last - it’s low. It’s not super easy getting in and out or dropping a car seat in and out.

Those are solid considerations.  I thought it had enough room in back but really don't have a clue.  My plan was to bring some of it and try to stick it in there before we pulled the trigger.  Thanks for the input, will certainly add those thoughts to the consideration.

btw, I am assuming you are the same goofyboy from wb.com.  it's htownbdr, Thutch's buddy.  Hope you are awesome.

[fattyflattie 4638]

11 hours ago, pepper brooks said:

After years of those Pirelli P2's that were allergic to pavement, and maybe lasted 5-7k miles, I finally ditched them and put some bridgestones on it.  They don't grip anywhere close to the others, but they've made it 15k miles.

Holy shit. I lose my mind when I don’t 55k out of a set of BFG’s.  This alone is why I couldn’t do a car. I’d go crazy. 

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

Holy shit. I lose my mind when I don’t 55k out of a set of BFG’s.  This alone is why I couldn’t do a car. I’d go crazy. 

I mean, they aren’t all like that. Those are high performance summer tires.

[fattyflattie 4638]

5 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

 

I mean, they aren’t all like that. Those are high performance summer tires.

 

Yeah I knew they didn’t last long. I guess just actually reading it out loud stuck out.   I’ve got a few friends that track their bikes and they run thru tires like crazy.   I assume same goes for cars. 

[Okie State 3847]

Yeah, Panamera seems way too small. Kids have so much shit, literally and figuratively, it's ridiculous. Buy an SUV.

[Okie State 3847]

I mean, they aren’t all like that. Those are high performance summer tires.

Even with high performance summer tires 5-7K is absurd. I know some are like that, but it's ridiculous. I have Contis and they're showing very little wear at about 12K. Got 24K out of the piece of shit OEM Bridgestones.

[Goofyboy 3296]

Those are solid considerations.  I thought it had enough room in back but really don't have a clue.  My plan was to bring some of it and try to stick it in there before we pulled the trigger.  Thanks for the input, will certainly add those thoughts to the consideration.
btw, I am assuming you are the same goofyboy from wb.com.  it's htownbdr, Thutch's buddy.  Hope you are awesome.

Yeah - same guy. Congrats on the kid.

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

2 hours ago, Atxracer said:

Those are solid considerations.  I thought it had enough room in back but really don't have a clue.  My plan was to bring some of it and try to stick it in there before we pulled the trigger.  Thanks for the input, will certainly add those thoughts to the consideration.

btw, I am assuming you are the same goofyboy from wb.com.  it's htownbdr, Thutch's buddy.  Hope you are awesome.

 Nope. One rule of thumb is the younger they are, the larger their stuff is. Buy or lease a large suv (larger than a cayenne) that you plan on having for at least 3 years. Then in 3 years with your experience, evaluate whether you can downsize  to something like the panamera. 

[Prepuce of Doom 21103]

Panamera Sport Turismo? 

Or E63 AMG wagon? 

Edited May 24, 2019 by Prepuce of Doom

[G650 14277]

9 hours ago, Atxracer said:

Enlighten me.  Seriously. This (baby-ville) is unchartered territory for me.  First option was a new Cayenne then I got a Panamera as a loaner and it drove much better than a Cayenne.  Seems safe and large enough but still fun for baby-mama if baby is not in the car.

 

9 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Go SUV and don’t look back. The amount of crap you haul around with the kid is unreal. Where you gonna put the stroller? Stroller and diaper bag. Oh, and when you travel, the pack and play. Also, I sat in a panamara back seat - not sure a car seat would sit in that well. Last - it’s low. It’s not super easy getting in and out or dropping a car seat in and out.

Goofy pretty much nailed it. Honestly the bending over alone would be a nightmare. 

 

Congrats on ye olde baby btw, welcome to the club!

[Bert Orange 1120]

I wonder how well alcantara would hold up to a diaper blowout

[Loco 3754]

10 hours ago, Atxracer said:

Those are solid considerations.  I thought it had enough room in back but really don't have a clue.  My plan was to bring some of it and try to stick it in there before we pulled the trigger.  Thanks for the input, will certainly add those thoughts to the consideration.

btw, I am assuming you are the same goofyboy from wb.com.  it's htownbdr, Thutch's buddy.  Hope you are awesome.

Also, once the kid gets a little older, they'll be dropping juice boxes, puking, getting snacks everywhere, wiping their hands on everything...  I would go nice, but not over the top SUV.  Oh and further down the line you can count on your progeny hitting the car with their bike, bookbag, ball, trashcan,  (insert everyday item that should not impact the car), etc...

You need to be thinking  less gemstone, more sacrificial anode. I deliberately bought low mileage used SUVs so I wouldn't have to lose my mind when the kids invariably did something stupid.

Don't worry, you won't miss the car, you'll miss sleep, lazy Sunday mornings, restaurants, your sanity...shit like that.

 

Congrats!

 

[Goofyboy 3296]

Oh, I left out the projectile vomit that will happen at some point. Took forever to clean out my Tundra. So much scrubbing