Super Tuesday - 1,357 Delegates at Stake

[EMAWesome 101]

4 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

It worked for Trump because republican voters don’t care about things like facts and they also don’t care about what the majority thinks.

For the GOP, as long as you show up, talk like the whole world is out to get you, bring up farfetched conspiracy theories, hate people who aren’t white, hate the poor, and want to help the rich.....you’re good!

There is literally not one word in this post that is correct and I am pretty certain I will be rotting in my grave for at least a decade before you realize that any of these words are wrong.  But go ahead and keep patting yourself on the back for thinking you are as smart as you aren't.

[Brew 3047]

2 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Wrong.
 

Bernie could’ve made a dent with working class people. In the Midwest. Biden probably ossifies black vote, but it was already so high that may not even matter. Also, disaffected Trump voters don’t really dislike Bernie, but Biden comes from the Obama/Hillary/DNC line.
 

Plus Biden will have some gaffes in high pressure situations unlike we’ve ever seen before when he has his “bad days”.
 

Has Biden released his full health records? How much Aricept is he taking?

You’re nuts, guys bailing on Trump aren’t going to go running to Bernie unless they are so anti-establishment that policies don’t mean anything to them.

[TexArcher 37518]

3 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Wrong.
 

Bernie could’ve made a dent with working class people. In the Midwest. Biden probably ossifies black vote, but it was already so high that may not even matter. Also, disaffected Trump voters don’t really dislike Bernie, but Biden comes from the Obama/Hillary/DNC line.
 

Plus Biden will have some gaffes in high pressure situations unlike we’ve ever seen before when he has his “bad days”.
 

Has Biden released his full health records? How much Aricept is he taking?

You think Bernie resonates more with midwestern working class folks than Joe Biden does?  

And you think disaffected Trump voters are more likely to vote for a socialist than a moderate?

If any of that were true, Bernie would be polling better against Trump than Biden is, not the other way around.

[GRHorn 105]

2 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Trump and the GOP had an unprecedented amount of opposition research to unload on Clinton with all of the Wikileaks stuff. Remember Comey also re-opened his investigation into Clinton right before the election. Hilary never campaigned in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan because she thought they were in the bag. 
 

trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by a combined 70,000 votes give or take. 
 

I just don’t see Biden being as flawed of a candidate as Clinton and I also don’t see him making the same mistakes as Clinton either. 

Biden is literally gonna look like the grandparent that keeps asking who your wife is over the holidays when you’ve been married for a few years. It’s gonna be sad. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10145]

Just now, Voldemort86 said:

I just don’t see Biden being as flawed of a candidate as Clinton and I also don’t see him making the same mistakes as Clinton either. 

The coming months will show that to not be a valid statement. Trump and gang have been working for a couple years in anticipation of him being the likely 2020 foe. Hunter Biden drama should show you he's got some serious baggage.

[GRHorn 105]

3 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

You think Bernie resonates more with midwestern working class folks than Joe Biden does?  

And you think disaffected Trump voters are more likely to vote for a socialist than a moderate?

If any of that were true, Bernie would be polling better against Trump than Biden is, not the other way around.

I think Trump would’ve potentially had less turnout against Bernie. 
 

Remember much of Trump phenomenon was anti-Hillary/Obama. Biden can be tagged with that. 

[kevwun 15651]

You don't think Bernie the scary old Communist would have driven up Republican turnout?  The attack ads would have written themselves.

Edited March 4, 2020 by kevwun

[EMAWesome 101]

2 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I agree with point 2 completely.

 

im no political analyst but, does anyone see Biden actually losing any states that Clinton won?  Virginia just had 2008 level turnout and that state was one that trumpers were hoping to flip. Nevada and New Mexico?  Yeah right. I can’t see minorities showing up to vote em masse for someone who calls their relatives and friends a bunch of criminals.

Biden should beat trump in Pennsylvania. It’s a homefield advantage for him.   The main reason trump won Wisconsin and Michigan is because blacks didn’t show up to vote for Hilary in both Detroit ( MI) and Milwaukee? I think is the city. Biden will turn out those black people. He proved that last night.

 

i don’t like some of Biden’s policies. I wish the next democrat president would be more friendly to weed reform, but the main objective and the main reason people voted last night was electability. They want someone who can beat trump.  They are sick of having some fucking orange moron for president who acts like a fucking child while he suggests we nuke hurricanes in the sky and give people flu shots while telling them they’re now safe from coronavirus.

at least with Biden, you know the house is probably safe, we can still make a run at the senate, and the Texas Democrats can still compete for the house on the state level. Republicans and the GOP were hoping to face Bernie, they wanted to use him to get back the suburbs, they wanted chaos, they want things to be shaken up and they wanted to nationalize ALL of the races while hoping Bernie would bring down ballot carnage to the democrats so that Trump and the GOP could go back to passing policies that only 25-30% of the country agrees with.
 

A trump presidency is 10x more unbearable when that fucking idiot has full control of government. Remember, he actually has the audacity to blame the democrats for things not getting done while he has total control. Fuck that orange piece of shit. I hope he gets the fucking corona virus.

If Biden is serious about putting Beto in charge of confiscating guns he will lose Virginia.  Given the way Biden has run his campaign though there is absolutely no way of knowing when he knows a microphone is turned on and when he thinks he is just talking out loud to himself.  Trump will kill Biden in debates though.  What is Biden's campaign going to do when he forgets the name of the debate moderator, what city the debate is in, what day it is, and who knows what other political face palm Biden delivers on national television on the biggest stage in American politics?  Trump will be on him like Bill Burr's pit bull when this happens.

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

1 minute ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

The coming months will show that to not be a valid statement. Trump and gang have been working for a couple years in anticipation of him being the likely 2020 foe. Hunter Biden drama should show you he's got some serious baggage.

They shot their wad too early though.  The issue wasn't "Hillary's emails"... the issue was "Hillary's emails one week before the election."   Timing is everything and everyone already knows about "something something Hunter Biden."  There's not gonna be a noticeable shift there with the votes that matter.

And this is probably an outside of the box opinion, but I'm not so sure that Biden's current mental state is a negative against someone like Trump.  Biden is an empathetic figure, and nobody likes to see their grandpa attacked.  Aside from generalities ("people need to respect women!") nobody really cared when Hillary got dunked on.  I think it will feel far more personal when Trump goes after Joe, and you know he won't be able to resist.

I'm not saying this is logical, just that it wouldn't surprise me.

[Tuco 5076]

14 minutes ago, WBT said:

Worked for Trump.  He didn't hit 50% in any state primary until New York on April 19.  You have to give the establishment Dems credit for clearing the field and getting behind one candidate early enough to stop that from happening.

Actually, where I will give credit is to Biden's strategists.  They basically ignored Iowa and focused on South Carolina.  It worked really, really well.  I'm sure Iowa was a disappointment, but the SC bump rolling into SuperTuesday was fucking stellar.  Had they done well in Iowa, it would have been a knock out punch to the rest of the field.  As it was, it has firmly established Biden as the front runner.  Give credit where credit is due.  Biden fought the battle he knew he could win, rather than spending limited resources in Iowa and NH. 

As far as "establishment Democrats clearing the field," that is vague horseshit.  It became pretty obvious that Steyer, Buttigieg, and Klobacher had no path forward after SC and the polling in the other states.  Pete and Amy had been pretty vocal about their concerns with Bernie as a frontrunner.  Their decisions were logical.  There is no reason to believe anyone cleared them from the field. 

42 minutes ago, bernorange said:

According to the NYT results tracker, they are estimating delegate results as Biden 390 and Sanders 330.  I assume folks are making projections about the likely results of the remaining states when saying the contest is over.

To me, the bigger story is that Bloomberg did so poorly.  If Bloomberg drops out after today, it seems obvious Biden will do very well with the rest of the states.  I doubt many voters will go from Bloomberg to Bernie, and that extra 10-15% for Biden will be the nail in the coffin for Bernie. 

 

It's been an interesting few days.  I was pretty neutral on Bernie or Biden, with the belief that Bernie was probably the stronger candidate against Trump.  But fuck if I really know. 

[TexArcher 37518]

You know, I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again.  

We're all having a good conversation about who the nominee is likely to be, or who it should be, or how the election might go, and that's as it should be in an election year.

But the problem is that all of our theorizing and speculating rests on the false premise that there's going to be a fair election in November.

But there isn't.  Trump will first try to con his way to the White House.  And if that doesn't work, he'll just steal the election.  And he'll have a lot of help.

I can't shake the feeling that this entire primary process is only determining which candidate will get the Al Gore fuckjob this time around.

[Zavala 1384]

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

There was a pretty widespread sentiment in 2016 that Biden would have beaten Trump had he run. Lots of folks despised Hillary, but thought of Biden as that generally likeable uncle who says crazy things on occasion. 

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

28 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Dems want to go back to a shitty, broken economy?

If they did then they'd put another Bush in office. 

[kevwun 15651]

Lol at Trumpkins talking about potential Biden speaking gaffes as a serious concern.  Trump can't even speak in complete sentences.

Edited March 4, 2020 by kevwun

[mdmost 42865]

14 minutes ago, kevwun said:

You don't think Bernie the scary old Communist would have driven up Republican turnout?  You are reaching.

No shit. Bernie and socialism would be the overriding theme of the campaign. They're going to take away your precious private health insurance. They're going to destroy the economy. They're going to make you not get to drive your car. Now it's more about Burisma and stuff that brings back that the moron was impeached because he tried to get dirt and feared going up against Joe Biden. 

 

[EMAWesome 101]

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Yes. Many of them will definitely vote for Trump. 

Maybe in 2016 (also would have worked the other way then, had Trump not won the nomination and Sanders had) but not in 2020.  In 2016 a lot of Sanders support came from the blue collar sector especially in the Rust Belt.  Those voters are going to be solidly Trump now (union members won't be willing to give up their private health insurance like Sanders will force them to and Sanders energy policies would be a disaster to the manufacturing sector) and Sanders base has morphed to college students, college professors, and electorate arsonists who just want to burn the whole thing down.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10145]

6 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

There was a pretty widespread sentiment in 2016 that Biden would have beaten Trump had he run. Lots of folks despised Hillary, but thought of Biden as that generally likeable uncle who says crazy things on occasion. 

I'm of the belief the DNC told him not to run it was Hillary's race. I too think he would have won (rather easily I might add)

[EMAWesome 101]

9 minutes ago, Zavala said:

 

Possibly the only person who had a worse night than Elizabeth Warren and Michael Bloomberg.

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Lol at Trumpkins talking about potential Biden speaking gaffes as a serious concern.

Trump thinks windmills cause cancer. He suggested using nuclear weapons to combat hurricanes. He canceled a trip to Denmark because they wouldn't sell us Greenland. 

He's also a more inarticulate, yammering dumblefuck than GWB. We've got it all on tape. And Twitter (Covfefe!). Joe Biden is a rocket scientist compared to Trump. 

[Voldemort86 2259]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

No shit. Bernie and socialism would be the overriding theme of the campaign. They're going to take away your precious private health insurance. They're going to destroy the economy. They're going to make you not get to drive your car. Now it's more about Burisma and stuff that brings back that the moron was impeached because he tried to get dirt and feared going up against Joe Biden. 

 

See that’s the thing Trumpski is trying to avoid. 
 

the last thing trump wants is for the election to be a referendum on his presidency. Facing Bernie Sanders would give trump the opportunity to frame the election as a “ Capitalism vs. Socialism” affair.  Trump would say,  “I know you don’t like me ( nobody actually does, probably not even his own family) but if you value your private health insurance, jobs, and investments you better vote for me!”. The only thing more toxic in the suburbs then Trumps brand of politics is socialism.

Biden vs Trump would put more of the focus on trump’s innumerable flaws as a person, character, and candidate. It would also shed light on his first term and what he has achieved ( good and bad) so far. 

[Biff Tannen 45495]

2 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

See that’s the thing Trumpski is trying to avoid. 
 

the last thing trump wants is for the election to be a referendum on his presidency. Facing Bernie Sanders would give trump the opportunity to frame the election as a “ Capitalism vs. Socialism” affair.  Trump would say,  “I know you don’t like me ( nobody actually does, probably not even his own family) but if you value your private health insurance, jobs, and investments you better vote for me!”. The only thing more toxic in the suburbs then Trumps brand of politics is socialism.

Biden vs Trump would put more of the focus on trump’s innumerable flaws as a person, character, and candidate. It would also shed light on his first term and what he has achieved ( good and bad) so far. 

This is where I'm at.  Yes, they'll bring up Hunter Biden constantly, but that is a hilariously easy conspiracy theory to debunk.  Socialism vs Capitalism?  That will scare a lot of people.

[EMAWesome 101]

8 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Sanders needs to do the right thing and endorse Biden - would be an unstoppable juggernaut 

What incentive could you give Sanders to make him do this?  He will be over 80 in 2024.  This is his last chance.  If he goes down there is no reason for him to not go down swinging.  He is in a position to not give any fucks what anyone else wants him to do.  Even if it looks obvious that he is going to lose on down the line the possibility that Biden is going to proclaim on national television that he would be proud to be President of the United States of Africa sometime before the convention is always there.  Hell, given Biden's age and goofiness who is to say he will even be in a position health wise to accept a nomination at the convention even if he has it in the bag?  Sanders has nothing to lose by staying in and everything to win if the gods are indeed crazy.

Edited March 4, 2020 by EMAWesome

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

12 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I'm of the belief the DNC told him not to run it was Hillary's race. I too think he would have won (rather easily I might add)

His son had just died. Nobody told him not to run. 

[Huckleberry 32702]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

That man is an American hero. For real.

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

lol Castro

 

[Hank Kingsley 20705]

Bloomberg just dropped out

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

18 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I'm of the belief the DNC told him not to run it was Hillary's race. I too think he would have won (rather easily I might add)

I think there may be some truth to this. Hillary spent a decade setting up support for her run. Combine that with his son dieing and he just didn't have the will at the time.

[EMAWesome 101]

8 hours ago, hornhorn said:

Well at least this proves one thing, Democratic Socialism isn't for America. 

Socialism beating its chest and screaming at the top of its lungs from the highest mountain top, no.  Socialism that is whispering in America's ear while simultaneously trying to grab a feel of tit, to be determined.

[workswithseed 2036]

44 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

It worked for Trump because republican voters don’t care about things like facts and they also don’t care about what the majority thinks.

For the GOP, as long as you show up, talk like the whole world is out to get you, bring up farfetched conspiracy theories, hate people who aren’t white, hate the poor, and want to help the rich.....you’re good!

Also Republican primaries are winner takes all and the field was full of them. If Kasich, and Rubio had left Cruz and Trump.

[Bookman 4610]

Once the Dems nominated their candidate, I wonder how many “undecided” voters there will be? Not many, I presume.

[David Dennison 18658]

Just now, EMAWesome said:

Socialism beating its chest and screaming at the top of its lungs from the highest mountain top, no.  Socialism that is whispering in America's ear while simultaneously trying to grab a feel of tit, to be determined.

Socialism providing health care for seniors, absolutely.

[EMAWesome 101]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Bloomberg just dropped out

I don't think he ever tuned in and he damn sure never turned on.

[Zavala 1384]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump thinks windmills cause cancer. He suggested using nuclear weapons to combat hurricanes. He canceled a trip to Denmark because they wouldn't sell us Greenland. 

He's also a more inarticulate, yammering dumblefuck than GWB. We've got it all on tape. And Twitter (Covfefe!). Joe Biden is a rocket scientist compared to Trump. 

lulz can't wait to watch them debate, you cant write headlines from the telephone game when they are talking to each other on stage.

You should post the actual quotes from Trumps "quotes" you state (they don't exist).

 

Here's some actual quotes from classic Biden gaffs he actually says:

"tomorrow is super Thursday"

"150 million people have been killed since 2007 when Bernie voted to exempt the gun manufacturer's from liability"

"it would put 720 million women back in the workforce"

"nobody should be put in jail for a nonviolent crime"

"my name is Joe Biden I'm a democratic candidate for the United States Senate"

"make sure the television, uh excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night"

"poor kids are just as talented just as bright as white kids"

"we choose science over fiction, we choose truth over facts"

"think about it, we hold these truths to be self evident, all men and women created by uh you know you know the thing"

"the man who will be the next president of the United States, Barack America!"

"you cannot go to a 7-11 or a duncan donuts, unless you have a slight Indian accent, I'm not joking!"

 

 

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45495]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Bloomberg just dropped out

This could be curtains for Bernie

[Zavala 1384]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Bloomberg just dropped out

who?

[SimonBolivar 10931]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Bloomberg just dropped out

How many times can I like this post?

[StruggleBus 3922]

This thread got really drunk last night 

[Zavala 1384]

 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

55 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Wrong.
 

Bernie could’ve made a dent with working class people. In the Midwest. Biden probably ossifies black vote, but it was already so high that may not even matter. Also, disaffected Trump voters don’t really dislike Bernie, but Biden comes from the Obama/Hillary/DNC line.
 

Plus Biden will have some gaffes in high pressure situations unlike we’ve ever seen before when he has his “bad days”.
 

Has Biden released his full health records? How much Aricept is he taking?

I love Trumpers ignorantly prognosticating the Dem electorate... you are nuts if you think Biden cant carry working class and union voters. And no one gives a shit about gaffes anymore. 

[SimonBolivar 10931]

1 minute ago, Zavala said:

who?

It'll be interesting to see how much he ends up donating to Dems moving forward this cycle. I know he's a data driven business man, but when you have $60B+ that you can't take with you to your grave and the current leader is making fun of you all the time on twitter it might just make you donate some serious cash.

[Zavala 1384]

 

[EMAWesome 101]

Set phasers on eviscerate. 

[Zavala 1384]

5 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

It'll be interesting to see how much he ends up donating to Dems moving forward this cycle. I know he's a data driven business man, but when you have $60B+ that you can't take with you to your grave and the current leader is making fun of you all the time on twitter it might just make you donate some serious cash.

$$$$ worked for Hilldawg

[hpslugga 4044]

13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This could be curtains for Bernie

All depends on how long it takes for Warren to do the same, which she should as her candidacy is terminal.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

Trump looks like Robin Williams

[mchookem 16219]

51 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I think Trump would’ve potentially had less turnout against Bernie. 
 

Remember much of Trump phenomenon was anti-Hillary/Obama. Biden can be tagged with that. 

i think this is wrong. anti-Hillary for sure, 100%... but Obama remains incredibly popular. i mean, his finger was clearly on the scale yesterday (behind the scenes) and it was a wipeout.

turnout yesterday matched 2008 levels in many places. people came out for Joe, not Bernie. 

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

5 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

It'll be interesting to see how much he ends up donating to Dems moving forward this cycle. I know he's a data driven business man, but when you have $60B+ that you can't take with you to your grave and the current leader is making fun of you all the time on twitter it might just make you donate some serious cash.

He's already said he's going to support whomever is the Democratic nominee. He can spend ten times Trump's net worth on campaign ads against him and still come away worth tens of billions more than Trump. 

[Hefeweizen 5307]

The trumpers in this thread losing their mind over Biden is gruntling.  They know Cheeto is fucked and Bernie was their one hope.  
 

Can’t wait for the criminal investigations after inauguration when trump is a private citizen and has no senate to hide behind.

[Guest Lobo]

The chatter I heard this morning amongst the political class in Austin (of which I am not a member) was interesting.  I don't know who was more bummed out, Trump supporters or Bernie supporters.  But I found their mutual confusion and angst to be most delicious with my eggs and coffee.  A weak Executive Branch is the most satisfying thing for people like me, who love being left the fuck alone.