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MC Fresh Breath

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Makes total sense if you are trying to destroy a franchise. Which we have been doing for the past 40 years. 

I hesitate to be Pollyanna-ish but this young team is showing me some promise, Biff. Not sure about how the full rebuild will go long term, of course, but there are some good young players in this group.

In terms of this trade, it does make sense. Taijuan was a one year cheap contract and a reclamation risk. He was going to be a free agent next season at any rate, might as well get something in return.

He seems like a good dude, and right now he is pitching well. But there are a lot of young arms on the farm and again might as well get something for the (cheap) risk taken.
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1 hour ago, MC Fresh Breath said:


I hesitate to be Pollyanna-ish but this young team is showing me some promise, Biff. Not sure about how the full rebuild will go long term, of course, but there are some good young players in this group.

In terms of this trade, it does make sense. Taijuan was a one year cheap contract and a reclamation risk. He was going to be a free agent next season at any rate, might as well get something in return.

He seems like a good dude, and right now he is pitching well. But there are a lot of young arms on the farm and again might as well get something for the (cheap) risk taken.

You’re probably right. I was a few sheets to the wind when I saw the trade and it was a knee jerk post. 

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another warm body?

dunno.

 

edit:  from Divish in the Times:

 

Walton, 26, will make his 2020 season debut with his first appearance. He appeared in 11 Summer Camp games at T-Mobile Park, batting .280 (7x25) with 2 runs scored, 2 doubles, 3

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RBI, 1 sacrifice fly and 4 walks. In 14 Cactus League games this spring, Walton was 4-for-18 (.222) with 2 runs, 1 double, 1 triple, 1 home run, 2 RBI, 3 walks and 1 stolen base.
Walton made his Major League debut with the Mariners on Sept. 10, 2019 against the Cincinnati Reds as a defensive replacement. The 5-foot-10, 175-pound infielder appeared in 7 games with the Mariners in 2019, batting .188 (3x16) with 2 runs scored, 2 RBI and 3 walks.
The former Oklahoma State University Cowboy has appeared in parts of 4 minor league seasons in the Mariners organization, batting .283 (380x1341) with 211 runs, 72 doubles, 9 triples, 24 home runs, 143 RBI, 164 walks and 35 stolen bases in 358 games. Walton was the Mariners 5th round selection in the 2016 MLB First-Year Player Draft.

 

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Law on the part of the trade involving Seattle:

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The first big trade sent Trammell (No. 43 overall), right-hander Andres Muñoz, catcher Luis Torrens, and utilityman Ty France to the Mariners for catcher Austin Nola and relievers Dan Altavilla and Austin Adams. The inclusion of Trammell is the big surprise here, as the Padres had just acquired him last July and seemed very high on him, especially since they worked with him to restore his old swing from before the Reds had tried to alter his launch angle. He’s limited to left field by his arm, but he’s a very intelligent, disciplined hitter with good bat and foot speed and strong instincts on the bases. His 2019 was a disappointment, however, as he struggled in the first half with the swing change, and after the trade showed more power but continued to strike out at a much higher rate than he had before He’s one of the top prospects who was most hurt by the lost minor-league season, as he needed reps to work on restoring his old swing and to demonstrate to the industry that his 2019 season was an outlier. The Reds and Padres both raved about his makeup and his overall feel for the game, and it’s possible or even likely that the Mariners just did what the Padres did last July, buying low on a top prospect who hasn’t produced and in this case didn’t even get a chance to produce for his new organization. With Jarred Kelenic and Julio Rodriguez potentially manning center and right, respectively, in the future, the Mariners have an entire outfield of Top 50 overall prospects on the way.

Muñoz is out while recovering from Tommy John surgery, but he is a high-upside reliever who’s been hitting 100+ mph since he was 18 years old and throws plenty of strikes, missing bats with a plus slider in the mid-80s. France is a useful bench piece who can fill in at multiple corner spots with above-average power Hhe’d posted a .395 BABIP in 61 PA this year for the Padres, so his line really isn’t indicative of his offensive ability, although he should hit enough to hold down a reserve role.

Torrens made his professional debut in 2013, but still has fewer than 2000 pro PA due to a shoulder injury that wiped out his 2015 season and the way he’s been used since he was a Rule 5 pick before 2017. He’s barely played in the majors since his rule 5 year, but he raked in Double A last year and I don’t see any reason why his swing wouldn’t work against major-league pitching, including good velocity. He’s also thrown better as time has gotten him further away from the surgery, and if the Mariners just let him play regularly he still has the upside of an everyday catcher who gets on base with some pop.

That seems like a strong return for the Mariners for players who weren’t likely to contribute to their next playoff team, although all three help the Padres right now. Austin Nola is an organizational catcher gone good, as he went from a senior sign in 2012 who didn’t hit for an average over .261 until his sixth year in pro ball or slug .400 until his seventh. He has developed average power in his late 20s (he’s 30 this year) and as he’s gotten stronger his high contact rates have translated into more production. He’s just keeping the spot warm for prospect Luis Campusano, but as the Padres try to break their postseason drought and perhaps get a higher seed in the playoffs, Nola’s a big upgrade over the below replacement-level production they’ve gotten so far from Austin Hedges, Francisco Mejía, and Torrens.

Adams is returning now from knee surgery but is expected to be able to join the major-league roster shortly, and he was dominant last year for the Mariners with a plus-plus slider that hitters swung and missed on 23 percent of the time. He could be a big weapon for a Padres bullpen that lacked a knockout right-handed option, and his addition likely made it easier for them to include Cal Quantrill in the Clevinger deal. Altavilla hasn’t thrown enough strikes to be more than an up-and-down reliever, but it is interesting that he has a career-long reverse platoon split despite being a hard-throwing fastball/slider guy.

 

 

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