Hillary Clinton will never be president.

[YGIFS 19456]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Lots of women hate women too. Misogyny has no gender barrier

Good point.  Another anecdote, actually supported by data and personal experience that we all also knew intuitively.  Those 25mm fringe morons.  Weren't just white, male, evangelical, gun-owning Cletuses/Cletti.  They were suburban, uneducated, female Karens who felt empowered by the very type of system that made them feel less than in the first place.  Stroke of genius on their part, IMO.  Sucks to say, but when you get people of a different color to turn on people of another color.  That's a high.  When you get people to turn on people just like them, that's higher power.  /ripCoolio

[troph 25089]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

 I think you may be overlooking how many of that 25mm wildcard voters are women.  For the umpteenth fucking time, the people they found.  They were given the idea that they mattered again, that the people who took their country from them would be punished or at least relegated, that they themselves would be elevated, made relevant, celebrated, and empowered.  It could have been John Wayne on the other side of the ballot, any picture  of heavy masculinity.  You can swing some voters on gender, but that 25mm was always going to side with Trump.  Hillary being Hillary didn't help.  But he was offering them validation and free heroin with no side effects and no money down.  You think for 10 seconds most of those fringe voters even knew  who else was on the ballot, let alone their gender?  Keep that shit up and flush 2024 down the drain.  Any GOP candidate is now gonna get 55-65mm votes.  That's a given nowadays.  State-by-state breakdowns is a conversation for other threads.  

But we're debating misogyny versus opioids with no side effects that give you super powers by a man capable of defeating multiple indictments.  But yeah, as a nation we didn't respect her time as a Senator enough?  Watch how well that messaging does while those lunatics light another federal building on fire as an homage to their orange godking.  He's literally playing with nuclear warheads and you guys are wondering why your sparklers from CVS aren't a bigger hit?  

newsflash, women hate women. all groups on the outside looking in at the group with power engage in tearing down one another.  it's a thing. patriarchy isn't just about horses you know.

[YGIFS 19456]

Just now, troph said:

newsflash, women hate women. all groups on the outside looking in at the group with power engage in tearing down one another.  it's a thing. patriarchy isn't just about horses you know.

Look, I know you live in Pennsylvania or whatever.  So your fancy Philly language is not impressing anyone.  You mare or mare not know that whenever you complain about the matriarchy, you're crying foal okay?

[troph 25089]

20 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Look, I know you live in Pennsylvania or whatever.  So your fancy Philly language is not impressing anyone.  You mare or mare not know that whenever you complain about the matriarchy, you're crying foal okay?

we watched Rocky last night with the kids - seriously. stop being a coconut you know?

horse comment was a quote from Barbie if you haven't seen it. Ken says he lost interest in the patriarchy as soon as he found out it wasn't just about horses. and the matriarchy can be a thing, a manipulative, vindictive, deceitful thing. it's why everyone hates women.

Edited August 16, 2023 by troph

[Incredulity 11861]

12 minutes ago, troph said:

we watched Rocky last night with the kids

I did on Monday on the MGM channel.

Such a great fucking movie.  Shame the later sequels went total clownshow.  

Love 1 and 2.  3 is respectable because of my youth and well Clubber Fucking Lang.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2023 by Incredulity

[YGIFS 19456]

19 minutes ago, troph said:

we watched Rocky last night with the kids - seriously. stop being a coconut you know?

horse comment was a quote from Barbie if you haven't seen it. Ken says he lost interest in the patriarchy as soon as he found out it wasn't just about horses. and the matriarchy can be a thing, a manipulative, vindictive, deceitful thing. it's why everyone hates women.

It's was a lame attempt at a play on equine terminology, holy shit-sorry.  Everybody hates women.  Got it.  No room for levity.  

I was raised in a home of 4 women along with myself.  I now live in a home of 3 other women along with myself.  The world is cruel to women.  Always has been, always will be.  I have tried to help reverse that plight and will never stop, and maybe they don't need my condescending help.  Maybe the horses can do it for us.  Just want to help my girls and am thankful for the efforts of my mom and her sisters.  Hillary is better than Donald Trump.  Can't imagine there's many people left that can argue otherwise.  Many people voted against her because she was a woman.  Message received.  Got it.  No argument.  My contention is Hulk Hogan or Gen. Patton would have run against Trump, people do not appreciate that drug he was giving away.  Yeah, 5% of it was "lock her up sexism" but he was giving the stupidest garbage this country has ever produced a shot at the prize.  I don't give a flying fuck one about her credentials.  He found 25mm of the dumbest fucking Americans to ever walk between these two oceans and said, "Everything you want has been taken from you and not only will I bring it back, I will make sure you are never made to feel stupid again whether it's the break room or school board meeting or anywhere."  Hillary was just some shit on a billboard to help raise money.  He gave the most hate-filled, blame-ready dipshits we have ever produced as a nation something to look forward to and a seat at a table they didn't even know existed.  You think they're gonna kick that because of Hillary's gender.  More of them voted the second time around for him when she wasn't even an option.  And more will vote this time around despite her being long removed from politics.  Yes, people are mean to women.  And they are particularly cruel to women of power and influence.  I ain't gonna solve that.  All I can solve for is you folks have a table outside the store selling books for a 3x markup.  And he's giving away opium, fireworks, guns, and porn for free and $20 cash and we're left scratching our heads thinking, "I can't believe nobody respects diplomatic experience anymore.  Must be prejudicial."  Keep as many of those 25mm at home in 2024.  Better yet, get more of them to die or kill one another.  That's the way forward.  But I have zero doubt the Democratic Party can't find a way to narrowly almost fuck this up again.  Maybe tell men in Wisconsin what pieces of shit they are.  That should do it.  

[Incredulity 11861]

9 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Maybe tell men in Wisconsin what pieces of shit they are.  That should do it.  

It ain't just Wisconsin, Cochise.

[troph 25089]

YGIFS

dude, maybe it was funny, i saw mare etc. but saw philly and remembered the filfthy streets in rocky (based in philly) and the bizarre writing, he called people "coconut" and said "you know?" after everything. clearly we do not have the same brand of humor.

Edited August 16, 2023 by troph

[G650 14421]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Why bother? I mean, we could start an “Incredulity will never be smart” thread, and while objectively true, what would be the point of posting it?

I laughed

[Sawbonz 28081]

5 hours ago, troph said:

Oh and she was fucking her assistant on the plane

[Sawbonz 28081]

45 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I did on Monday on the MGM channel.

Such a great fucking movie.  Shame the later sequels went total clownshow.  

Love 1 and 2.  3 is respectable because of my youth and well Clubber Fucking Lang.

 

 

Rocky 4 is the best Rocky you fucking America hating pinko commie

[Incredulity 11861]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Rocky 4 is the best Rocky you fucking America hating pinko commie

Come on.  This is so completely ridiculous it actually nullifies the "patriotism" and certainly counteracts the hotness Bridgette was putting out there.

 

 

[nbmishoid 984]

6 hours ago, Hate said:

And now we will have back to back choices of Biden or Trump. Awesome.

And full disclosure, I don’t think whomever is calling the shots in the White House is doing a bad job. I just don’t believe for a second that it’s Biden.

Fuck this attitude.  Dark Brandon has had the most impactful initial term, for advancing “the good”, since probably effin LBJ.  Against a morally horrific degenerate opposition 

[Biff Tannen 46061]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Rocky 4 is the best Rocky you fucking America hating pinko commie

This.  And I am not AT ALL surprised that fuck nut Incredulity doesn't think so.

[G650 14421]

15 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Rocky 4 is the best Rocky you fucking America hating pinko commie

[aggie08 21733]

6 hours ago, Hate said:

And now we will have back to back choices of Biden or Trump. Awesome.

And full disclosure, I don’t think whomever is calling the shots in the White House is doing a bad job. I just don’t believe for a second that it’s Biden.

No offense, dude, but this is some weak bullshit. Do I love that our current President is 137 years old? Of course not. But arguably the most important job of a President is who he surrounds himself with, so pretending like he and Trump are both in the same vicinity of bad choices it's fundamentally dishonest. It's not luck that there's competent people in the White House now.

And you're subtly advancing the "senile old man being pulled around by his puppeteers" narrative. No, his foreign relations and years in politics have served him (and the United States) well.

You can just say that he's done a much better job than you expected. It's okay.

[Incredulity 11861]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This.  And I am not AT ALL surprised that fuck nut Incredulity doesn't think so.

Checks out.  You're an absolute moron.

[Biff Tannen 46061]

[troph 25089]

rocky 1 was the best, but the homo scene with rocky and apollo running on the beach and embracing each other's oily bodies is pure greatness.

[Sawbonz 28081]

52 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Come on.  This is so completely ridiculous it actually nullifies the "patriotism" and certainly counteracts the hotness Bridgette was putting out there.

 

 

Why do you want to give comfort to our enemies?

[YGIFS 19456]

1 hour ago, troph said:

YGIFS

dude, maybe it was funny, i saw mare etc. but saw philly and remembered the filfthy streets in rocky (based in philly) and the bizarre writing, he called people "coconut" and said "you know?" after everything. clearly we do not have the same brand of humor.

My bad. Well played.  I only saw the original Rocky one time and it was a long, long time ago.  I have a penchant, as it seems you do, for clever callbacks to iconic movie dialogue.  But that is one foundational piece  of cinema that evades me to this day.   Only thing I remember about the whole film is when he's outside her apartment and says something to the effect of "Adrian, I got two things to tell you."  And he goes with A & 2.  Or 1 & B.  Looking back, it probably wasn't so funny because his character had early onset dimentia from boxing.   Like Eric trump, only not as sad.

[Celery Man 21076]

[Satchel 6982]

7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Hillary was a terrible candidate and ran an objectively terrible campaign. Some of y’all will be butt hurt until the end of time over her loss. But she and Trump as candidates were the best two choices that our system was capable of elevating. Cool political system we got here. 

The quality of her candidacy is in the eye of the beholder. I liked a candidate who was conversant on issues both foreign and domestic and was able to articulate a clear vision for the country. That the package came in the form of Hillary Clinton didn’t matter to me.

[Js1 86939]

18 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I don't chime on in this topic much, which I'm sure most of you appreciate.  And, wisely so.  Incredulity and I probably share more than I am willing to admit.  I know we exchange some of the same twisted sense of humor on other forums.  I openly admit I have never liked Hillary Clinton.  Thought her service as First Lady was misguided.  Her time as a Senator was symbolic bullshit.  I will say her tenure as Sec. of State was underrated and I thank her for service.  I voted for Obama over her in 2008.  I didn't really think of her in 2016, just helped Gary Johnson as much as I could while wishing her and Donald Trump drove off a cliff in some kinda Thelma-Louise deal.  In hindsight, she obviously woulda made a far better President than Trump but I was awash in time and political capital and intellectual freedom in 2016 so I could do whatever the fuck I wanted.  

 

I wouldn't brag about how you devoted time and money to helping Gary Johnson, but that's just me. 

[YGIFS 19456]

Wasn't a brag.  And nobody will ever give a shit, but he actually just didn't audibly hear the word correctly (Aleppo doesn't ring that well with English-first ears)  Probably because he was old and high.  NTTAWWT.  I liked his work, didn't like Hillary, fucking hated Trump.  But as I've said on other threads, sat on my multiple-degree high horse of "Well, I'll pick and choose from the likes of Hayek and Locke and Hume."  Of course, in hindsight-I prefer Hillary over Donald.  But at the time, I just assumed like an asshole that your party and her entrenched advantage could dispense with a fucking game show clown who fucked up the same casino.  Twice.  I just assumed.  Again, my prize mistake.  I watched in real time, Drogin do for Ted Cruz what a few years later Bannon and Cambridge did for Trump.  And I was still too fucking naive to see it happen.  And I know the whole of the Democratic Party was too dumb to see it too because I can't help but notice the election results in the Midwest to this day.  Hillary is a woman.  People are mean to women.  Point stands.  Point will always stand.  Y'all still don't fucking get the allure of Trump.  He made stupid people feel special.  Every single fucking day for years.  You have zero fucking idea how powerful that is because you're smart.  

[Anastasis 23699]

35 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The quality of her candidacy is in the eye of the beholder. I liked a candidate who was conversant on issues both foreign and domestic and was able to articulate a clear vision for the country. That the package came in the form of Hillary Clinton didn’t matter to me.

Her positions did not resonate relative to Trumps in the rust belt, and her operation amplified the problem further by ignoring Michigan and Wisconsin. Just one of the many examples of her campaign shiting the bed and making unforced errors. But despite being a generally unlikeable person, taking positions and actions that undermined the blue wall, and having no real articulable vision that wasn't "I'm with Her", she still would have probably won the election if not for the actions of James Comey.    

[jimmyjazz 46972]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Her positions did not resonate relative to Trumps in the rust belt, and her operation amplified the problem further by ignoring Michigan and Wisconsin. Just one of the many examples of her campaign shiting the bed and making unforced errors. But despite being a generally unlikeable person, taking positions and actions that undermined the blue wall, and having no real articulable vision that wasn't "I'm with Her", she still would have probably won the election if not for the actions of James Comey.    

News flash:  not every candidate will or should prioritize the "rust belt" from a policy perspective.

[Anastasis 23699]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

News flash:  not every candidate will or should prioritize the "rust belt" from a policy perspective.

Rhymes with: Hillary Clinton will never be president.

[High Plains Drifter 11160]

 

IF in some sort of twisted simulation fucking with us alternate reality, Killary ran against DOtarD again, who would you vote for @Incredulity?

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46972]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Rhymes with: Hillary Clinton will never be president.

Yes, because her "rust belt policy" is the only reason she lost the electoral college.  Jesus Christ, man.  Argue in good faith for once in your fucking life.

[Anastasis 23699]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Yes, because her "rust belt policy" is the only reason she lost the electoral college.  Jesus Christ, man.  Argue in good faith for once in your fucking life.

You try it first.  I never said that that was the only reason. In fact my words were " Just one of the many examples of her campaign shitting the bed". But WI, MI, and PA flip that election. 

[jimmyjazz 46972]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You try it first.  I never said that that was the only reason. In fact my words were " Just one of the many examples of her campaign shitting the bed". But WI, MI, and PA flip that election. 

Okey-dokey.

[Satchel 6982]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Her positions did not resonate relative to Trumps in the rust belt, and her operation amplified the problem further by ignoring Michigan and Wisconsin. Just one of the many examples of her campaign shiting the bed and making unforced errors. But despite being a generally unlikeable person, taking positions and actions that undermined the blue wall, and having no real articulable vision that wasn't "I'm with Her", she still would have probably won the election if not for the actions of James Comey.    

Yeah, well…

https://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/donald-trump-and-the-idea-of-the-rust-belt

But even now, as the polls give Trump a higher chance at the Presidency than ever, the possibility of a revolution in the Midwest still looks like conjecture. Last week, Bloomberg Politics published the results of a poll of middle-class voters (those with family incomes between thirty thousand and seventy thousand dollars) in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. They found that Trump does not even have the support among these voters that Mitt Romney had. The poll had him trailing Hillary Clinton by nine per cent. Writing up the results, John McCormick, of Bloomberg, noted that Trump is “failing—at least so far—to dominate among the sort of voters thought to be more sympathetic to him.” The word that middle-class Midwesterners volunteered most often when they were asked to describe how they felt about the election was “afraid,” which is the word people tend to use when they are alarmed by Donald Trump:

 

[troph 25089]

5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

My bad. Well played.  I only saw the original Rocky one time and it was a long, long time ago.  I have a penchant, as it seems you do, for clever callbacks to iconic movie dialogue.  But that is one foundational piece  of cinema that evades me to this day.   Only thing I remember about the whole film is when he's outside her apartment and says something to the effect of "Adrian, I got two things to tell you."  And he goes with A & 2.  Or 1 & B.  Looking back, it probably wasn't so funny because his character had early onset dimentia from boxing.   Like Eric trump, only not as sad.

It’s actually a bizarrely well written movie imo. Mostly his parts. And I forgot a lot of how it went. One of the few true hero movies with a conflicted ending. I loved some of the other rocky movies but as far as a quality film the first one wins by a mile. Watch it, strangely artistic held up really well. Shit it kept a 13 and 15 year old the whole time.

[The Dog 44771]

5 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

A huge part of the reason Trump won in 2016 is because a significant fraction of Clinton supporters didn't think there was any way he could win, and so they stayed home.  

Trump:  63.0M

Clinton:  65.8M

Other:  7.7M

Total:  136.5M

 

In 2020, those numbers were quite different, and there is no reason to believe the Democrats and independents are going to slide back into complacency about Trump's chances:

Trump:  74.2M

Biden:  81.3M

Other:  2.9M

Total:  158.4M

 

Throwing this here because it doesn't belong on the 45 Indicated thread (great title change).

It wasn't just Clinton supporters "staying home", but also Bernie Bros voting for Trump out of spite, conservative swing voters who might have voted for a Democrat throwing their votes to the Libertarians (or not at all), massive numbers of undecideds breaking for Trump on election day, and as mentioned previously a goatfuck of a campaign by Clinton that just assumed people would vote for her.

It took a perfect storm. 

[locodos 5583]

2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Throwing this here because it doesn't belong on the 45 Indicated thread (great title change).

It wasn't just Clinton supporters "staying home", but also Bernie Bros voting for Trump out of spite, conservative swing voters who might have voted for a Democrat throwing their votes to the Libertarians (or not at all), massive numbers of undecideds breaking for Trump on election day, and as mentioned previously a goatfuck of a campaign by Clinton that just assumed people would vote for her.

It took a perfect storm. 

narrator: "but there were no undecideds, there were only people who did not want to say they were voting for Trump"

[MrBig 5602]

I kept saying Trump was going to win but everyone brushed it off like I was talking flat earth nonsense.

I predicted the Trump win because I saw how she fucked it up in 2008. I was a hardcore Hilary supporter but it pissed me off that they weren’t taking Obama seriously. Once Obama had the Auditorium Shores rally in early 2007, I knew she was done.

Hilary’s 2016 campaign was just a bigger version of this collapse in terms of underestimating the opponent and ignoring the sentiment of the voter base. 

 

[safe sex 11913]

I'd be curious to hear from some Bernie Bros and how they feel about their vote now? Did they lean into it and go full maga? Or do they understand and accept that they're fucking chodes?

[StassneyHorn 6755]

This thread is exactly why I post the way I do in the Joe Biden thread.

[wildcat09 29556]

17 hours ago, MrBig said:

I kept saying Trump was going to win but everyone brushed it off like I was talking flat earth nonsense.

I predicted the Trump win because I saw how she fucked it up in 2008. I was a hardcore Hilary supporter but it pissed me off that they weren’t taking Obama seriously. Once Obama had the Auditorium Shores rally in early 2007, I knew she was done.

Hilary’s 2016 campaign was just a bigger version of this collapse in terms of underestimating the opponent and ignoring the sentiment of the voter base. 

 

Hillary hiring Mark Penn in 2008 is really all you need to know about her political acumen.  

[MC Fresh Breath 4075]

18 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

but also Bernie Bros voting for Trump out of spite, 

Goddammit, this complete and total bullshit again?  More Bernie voters voted for Hillary than Hillary voters voted for Obama. Fact.  In the spirit of kindness I will not go with my usual even more blistering reaction to this.  I'm trying to be nicer, just like the less mean thread suggests I should.

But as someone who went for Bernie in the primaries and voted for HRC in the General (in Texas where it didn't matter anyway) I really, really get tired of this smear.  

[MC Fresh Breath 4075]

16 hours ago, safe sex said:

I'd be curious to hear from some Bernie Bros and how they feel about their vote now? Did they lean into it and go full maga? Or do they understand and accept that they're fucking chodes?

oh man, you too?  sigh.

[The Dog 44771]

2 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Goddammit, this complete and total bullshit again?  More Bernie voters voted for Hillary than Hillary voters voted for Obama. Fact.  In the spirit of kindness I will not go with my usual even more blistering reaction to this.  I'm trying to be nicer, just like the less mean thread suggests I should.

But as someone who went for Bernie in the primaries and voted for HRC in the General (in Texas where it didn't matter anyway) I really, really get tired of this smear.  

you are right that most did vote for hillary but we had a poster here who admitted voting for Trump who was a Bernie voter. it was a thing - don't take it personally!

[MC Fresh Breath 4075]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

you are right that most did vote for hillary but we had a poster here who admitted voting for Trump who was a Bernie voter. it was a thing - don't take it personally!

Fair enough, I suppose.  Trolling has crossed over into real life and so I get more than annoyed for being blamed for something that didn't happen.  I really wanted Bernie, but I also know that even if he won he wouldn't be allowed to do anything most of the things he truly wanted, so him losing out hurt less if that makes sense.  And I'm also aware there were some pretty obnoxious Bernie folks on reddit/twitter/etc.  But let us not forget social media amplifies quite often the minority and the controversial.  It doesn't make all of us who liked Bernie's ideals misognystic trolling bros. who would burn the country down if we didn't 'get our way.'

 

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by MC Fresh Breath

[Brian Fantana 6856]

It's definitely a thing

I still love Bernie though, if only he wasn't 900 years old

[safe sex 11913]

24 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

oh man, you too?  sigh.

The ones who voted for Trump? Yes they are chodes. Your average Bernie bro/sis who ended up voting for Hillary (like myself)? Not at all.

Edit: I do not blame them entirely for Trump winning, but they sure didn't help things

Edited August 18, 2023 by safe sex

[MC Fresh Breath 4075]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

The ones who voted for Trump? Yes they are chodes. Your average Bernie bro/sis who ended up voting for Hillary (like myself)? Not at all.

Edit: I do not blame them entirely for Trump winning, but they sure didn't help things

I entirely misunderstood your post that I quoted.  My apologies.

Edit: only tangentially related, I really do wish the Electoral College was removed.  It seems that movement had a bit of momentum at one point.  It feels diminished now, but there's a real chance I am out of touch.

Edited August 18, 2023 by MC Fresh Breath

[nbmishoid 984]

No constitutional changes for another lifetime or two.  Other side no want. Perfect as written.  Ask Roberts.

[elfenix 34658]

this thread gets bumped and hurricane hilary is about to take out southern california.  coincidence?

[Satchel 6982]

On 8/17/2023 at 6:13 PM, safe sex said:

I'd be curious to hear from some Bernie Bros and how they feel about their vote now? Did they lean into it and go full maga? Or do they understand and accept that they're fucking chodes?

Yeah, I’m sure Big Mike,  Susan Sarandon and Eddie Glaude Jr who just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary because of principles, are loving the hell out the 6-3 right wing SC (which would have been the exact opposite under Hillary).