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29 minutes ago, statsman said:

SMU needs to know its place and stay in its lane. Last time it didn’t, it fucked itself over for decades. (And saying that with an MBA from Cox)

SMU is a regional private school. It’s nice that its rich alums want good sports teams. They are still, even at peak performance, #4 in Dallas, after Texas, TAMU and OU (and when not at peak, they are behind TT, OSU and Arkansas) 

 

as a smu big cigar, how much are you chipping in to hire cdc ?

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Give me a break. CDC isn’t leaving UT for freaking SMU. That’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read this year, and there have been some insanely ridiculous things in the news this year. 

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CDC has already been at TCU and did a great job with the limitations a private school not named ND or USC have to overcome.  SMU is not even on his radar.  The only places I could see him leaving for from Austin is to be head of the SEC or the BIG.

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1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Trying to remember when I gave a shit about a former university president.

Tell @UTEE97 that. He seems really concerned.

48 minutes ago, statsman said:

SMU needs to know its place and stay in its lane. Last time it didn’t, it fucked itself over for decades. (And saying that with an MBA from Cox)

SMU is a regional private school. It’s nice that its rich alums want good sports teams. They are still, even at peak performance, #4 in Dallas, after Texas, TAMU and OU (and when not at peak, they are behind TT, OSU and Arkansas) 

Well - the rules have changed a bit - but maybe you've been living under a rock. 

You say that we're #4 - we were better than your #2 and #3 last season football-wise. 

I think CDC is more realistic than y'all think but we shall see. The Texas-grad arrogance meter knows no bounds. 

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1 minute ago, Big Frog II said:

CDC has already been at TCU and did a great job with the limitations a private school not named ND or USC have to overcome.  SMU is not even on his radar.  The only places I could see him leaving for from Austin is to be head of the SEC or the BIG.

Yeah I'm sure "Big Frog 2" is unbiased.

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

SMU needs to know its place and stay in its lane. Last time it didn’t, it fucked itself over for decades. (And saying that with an MBA from Cox)

SMU is a regional private school. It’s nice that its rich alums want good sports teams. They are still, even at peak performance, #4 in Dallas, after Texas, TAMU and OU (and when not at peak, they are behind TT, OSU and Arkansas) 

Incorrect.

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3 hours ago, statsman said:

SMU needs to know its place and stay in its lane. Last time it didn’t, it fucked itself over for decades. (And saying that with an MBA from Cox)

SMU is a regional private school. It’s nice that its rich alums want good sports teams. They are still, even at peak performance, #4 in Dallas, after Texas, TAMU and OU (and when not at peak, they are behind TT, OSU and Arkansas) 

Oh SMU knows it's lane. As soon as it became legal to pay players they knew they were back.

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4 hours ago, statsman said:

SMU needs to know its place and stay in its lane. Last time it didn’t, it fucked itself over for decades. (And saying that with an MBA from Cox)

SMU is a regional private school. It’s nice that its rich alums want good sports teams. They are still, even at peak performance, #4 in Dallas, after Texas, TAMU and OU (and when not at peak, they are behind TT, OSU and Arkansas) 

Cute. 

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Tell @UTEE97 that. He seems really concerned.

Well - the rules have changed a bit - but maybe you've been living under a rock. 

You say that we're #4 - we were better than your #2 and #3 last season football-wise. 

I think CDC is more realistic than y'all think but we shall see. The Texas-grad arrogance meter knows no bounds. 

He's not talking about win/loss records. He's talking about people actually giving a shit. 

Sure, Texas people are arrogant. So are folks from SMU. Who gives a shit? All that arrogance doesn't put people in the stands or compel them to watch SMU play football on television. If OU, A&M, or Arkansas were to play SMU next year in Dallas in a real stadium, I guarantee you the stadium would be more than 50% the opponents' fans. 

No one really gives a shit about SMU football. Maybe before the Cowboys existed, but certainly not since the NFL took over eyeballs. Even in their Pony Express cheating heyday, nobody came to the games. It's helpful they moved to that rinky dink on campus stadium that holds a baker's dozen for capacity. 

It's also helpful they're active in NIL. Maybe they can continue to be competitive. But the level of caring will continue to remain low. Part of it is institutional. It's a small private university. That's just how it is.

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3 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

He's not talking about win/loss records. He's talking about people actually giving a shit. 

Sure, Texas people are arrogant. So are folks from SMU. Who gives a shit? All that arrogance doesn't put people in the stands or compel them to watch SMU play football on television. If OU, A&M, or Arkansas were to play SMU next year in Dallas in a real stadium, I guarantee you the stadium would be more than 50% the opponents' fans. 

No one really gives a shit about SMU football. Maybe before the Cowboys existed, but certainly not since the NFL took over eyeballs. Even in their Pony Express cheating heyday, nobody came to the games. It's helpful they moved to that rinky dink on campus stadium that holds a baker's dozen for capacity. 

It's also helpful they're active in NIL. Maybe they can continue to be competitive. But the level of caring will continue to remain low. Part of it is institutional. It's a small private university. That's just how it is.

What is the point of this comment? Do yourself a favor and don't type anything next time. 

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1 hour ago, ztejas said:

What is the point of this comment? Do yourself a favor and don't type anything next time. 

The point is- we are talking about the attraction of SMU’s AD job. It is limited. You’re trying to fill a 32k stadium and you have games on the CW(?) channel. You play games on a Friday night. 
 
He captured what I meant when I said SMU was # 4 in Dallas, exactly. 
 
It’s ok. TCU is #4 in Fort Worth. 

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4 hours ago, ztejas said:

They think that we're Rice. 

I hope we do steal CDC just to watch the fucking meltdown here. 

 

You aren't Rice. Not even close.

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SMU flexing on UT is hilarious. Two good seasons in the last 40 and they’re a big dog. Yawn. Come back when you’ve had half the success of TCU this century, much less trying to position yourself with blue blood programs. 

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15 hours ago, ztejas said:

 

I think CDC is more realistic than y'all think but we shall see. The Texas-grad arrogance meter knows no bounds. 

We’re Texas.   CDC seems to like the limelight. He’s at a school with unlimited resources.  Why would he leave one of the biggest brands in cfb for a regional school who’s biggest claim to fame is getting the death penalty?

 

 

I get why Hartzell left.   It was political 

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27 minutes ago, nnm said:

SMU flexing on UT is hilarious. Two good seasons in the last 40 and they’re a big dog. Yawn. Come back when you’ve had half the success of TCU this century, much less trying to position yourself with blue blood programs. 

Yea and they got tooled by Penn st likely ruining the chances of other regional schools

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5 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yea and they got tooled by Penn st likely ruining the chances of other regional schools

If their offense hadn't self destructed at the beginning I think they could have made a game of it. Their defense looked way better before everything got out of hand than I thought they would. I don't feel like the score was as reflective of the difference between the two teams as it appears. But because that's what everyone expected going in, there's this collective nodding of heads, "See? SMU didn't really belong there." I mean, maybe they didn't, but it's because their offense wasn't ready for the big stage, not necessarily because they couldn't compete from a talent level.  On the other hand, scoreboard matters.

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11 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yea and they got tooled by Penn st likely ruining the chances of other regional schools

Right, because the other first round games were so competitive. 

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If for any reason CDC was to not be our AD, I’d suggest Oliver Luck. He’s already had the role at WVU (I think) plus they’re Texans since Andrew was growing up.

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3 hours ago, msucolt45 said:

If for any reason CDC was to not be our AD, I’d suggest Oliver Luck. He’s already had the role at WVU (I think) plus they’re Texans since Andrew was growing up.

Hook’em!!!

I think Oliver Luck would have made a very good AD years ago.  At 64, I would say you would want to hire someone younger.  CDC isn't going anywhere soon so I wouldn't worry about it.

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3 hours ago, msucolt45 said:

If for any reason CDC was to not be our AD, I’d suggest Oliver Luck. He’s already had the role at WVU (I think) plus they’re Texans since Andrew was growing up.

Hook’em!!!

 

That would be nice. I could get 50s without paying - I might even be able to invite some of you assholes.

 

 

OTOH, the idea of CDC leaving for SMU is really dumb even for SMU graduates.

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On 2/8/2025 at 12:07 PM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We’re Texas.   CDC seems to like the limelight. He’s at a school with unlimited resources.  Why would he leave one of the biggest brands in cfb for a regional school who’s biggest claim to fame is getting the death penalty?

I get why Hartzell left.   It was political 

 

On 2/8/2025 at 12:08 PM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yea and they got tooled by Penn st likely ruining the chances of other regional schools

You keep referring to SMU as a regional school. It isn't. 

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In terms of athletic appeal, it is very much a regional school, just like TCU is. Or Tulane. 
 
SMU (soon to be CFP participant) played TCU (2022 CFP finalist) on Sept. 21. Viewership was 350K. Nationwide. There were possibly more DFW viewers watching Texas play ULM on the SEC+ app. 

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

In terms of athletic appeal, it is very much a regional school, just like TCU is. Or Tulane. 
 
SMU (soon to be CFP participant) played TCU (2022 CFP finalist) on Sept. 21. Viewership was 350K. Nationwide. There were possibly more DFW viewers watching Texas play ULM on the SEC+ app. 

Holy shit

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6 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

 

You keep referring to SMU as a regional school. It isn't. 

What is it then?   Are you saying having alot of old students makes them a national school?   They’re small in enrollment and their name literally begins with a region.  

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I don't even know if SMU is even all that Regional. You aren't going to see tons of SMU stuff around Dallas, whereas you will see frog fans out and about in Fort Worth.

It isn't the size of their fanbase that gives them their power, it is who those fans are that does.

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4 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

What is it then?   Are you saying having alot of old students makes them a national school?   They’re small in enrollment and their name literally begins with a region.  

So, Southern Cal is a regional school?? Region of a state, even, I guess.

 

3 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

I don't even know if SMU is even all that Regional. You aren't going to see tons of SMU stuff around Dallas, whereas you will see frog fans out and about in Fort Worth.

It isn't the size of their fanbase that gives them their power, it is who those fans are that does.

Regional vs National refers to the schools' accreditation as well as where they draw students from and who their academic peers are.

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5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

SMU is the Notre dame for Methodists 

not even close. i'm not sure i knew a methodist in my 4 years there.  i know i never went to church.

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On 2/7/2025 at 8:40 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

as a smu big cigar, how much are you chipping in to hire cdc ?

We may be missing the bigger picture. SMU may be doing a Baylor on us. Realize its limitation and focus on a limited number of sports. FB, Basketball and BBL. Baylor did that to very good success as did TCU. While I might slash my wrists if CDC went to SMU. We know what he can do. But UT is a much bigger stage.   

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Not gonna bash SMU - or Texas - here, or push 'em up.

This part of the thread has been about whether CDC will/would take SMU's AD job.

Is it even possible? I think so.

Is it probable? Without elaborating for those of you who regularly demonstrate serious innumeracy, I'll give that a yes.

How probable is it? Not fucking very. If Vegas put out a line on it, it would have to be so fucking big that some of us would put a Franklin or ten on it, just in case, but Lefty and Fingers would visit CDC and Hartzell to make sure it didn't happen, with perhaps stage 4 certainty.

If I were in CDC's shoes, I might consider that while my bank account was plenty big enough already, the opportunity to lead a school wirh SMU's generational lack of  prominence in the Big 3 Sports to pinnacles un-thought of for fifty years, while pushing my family's financial status to independence for great-great-grandchildren, is acceptable. 

I might consider it. But it would certainly - to 9 or 10 decimal places - take a whole lot more dollars than even Jimbo would consider...

So, nah.

But thanks for playing.

 

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1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

 

If I were in CDC's shoes, I might consider that while my bank account was plenty big enough already, the opportunity to lead a school wirh SMU's generational lack of  prominence in the Big 3 Sports to pinnacles un-thought of for fifty years, while pushing my family's financial status to independence for great-great-grandchildren, is acceptable. 

I might consider it. But it would certainly - to 9 or 10 decimal places - take a whole lot more dollars than even Jimbo would consider...

So, nah.

But thanks for playing.

 

He already did this with tcu and that spring boarded him to a top 5 job.   Urban Meyer used bowling green to land at Florida.  He’s not going back to a MAC school

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3 hours ago, Tex Long said:

Not gonna bash SMU - or Texas - here, or push 'em up.

This part of the thread has been about whether CDC will/would take SMU's AD job.

Is it even possible? I think so.

Is it probable? Without elaborating for those of you who regularly demonstrate serious innumeracy, I'll give that a yes.

How probable is it? Not fucking very. If Vegas put out a line on it, it would have to be so fucking big that some of us would put a Franklin or ten on it, just in case, but Lefty and Fingers would visit CDC and Hartzell to make sure it didn't happen, with perhaps stage 4 certainty.

If I were in CDC's shoes, I might consider that while my bank account was plenty big enough already, the opportunity to lead a school wirh SMU's generational lack of  prominence in the Big 3 Sports to pinnacles un-thought of for fifty years, while pushing my family's financial status to independence for great-great-grandchildren, is acceptable. 

I might consider it. But it would certainly - to 9 or 10 decimal places - take a whole lot more dollars than even Jimbo would consider...

So, nah.

But thanks for playing.

 

Well said. Hope we are both right and he stays for a long time.  

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

He already did this with tcu and that spring boarded him to a top 5 job.   Urban Meyer used bowling green to land at Florida.  He’s not going back to a MAC school

Tell me you're at least a little weak on analogy without telling me you're at least a little weak on analogy.

Until he announces he's not going, it's still possible. But unless SMU offers him, say, triple or more salary - say 8 to 10 megabucks  - he ain't going. Shit, he's making around 3 at Texas, which is (probably) more than Lashlee makes, already. If SMU were to go there, and throw in the giant pot of gold it'll take to buy the coaches and the players needed, he'd be crazy to turn it down.

I don't think it's gonna happen. In fact, I'm pretty goddamn sure it's not... but the probability, while vanishingly small, is non-zero. 

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4 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Tell me you're at least a little weak on analogy without telling me you're at least a little weak on analogy.

Until he announces he's not going, it's still possible. But unless SMU offers him, say, triple or more salary - say 8 to 10 megabucks  - he ain't going. Shit, he's making around 3 at Texas, which is (probably) more than Lashlee makes, already. If SMU were to go there, and throw in the giant pot of gold it'll take to buy the coaches and the players needed, he'd be crazy to turn it down.

I don't think it's gonna happen. In fact, I'm pretty goddamn sure it's not... but the probability, while vanishingly small, is non-zero. 

Do you need a press conference?

 

 

This sounds like a pretty strong public denial

 

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1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Tell me you're at least a little weak on analogy without telling me you're at least a little weak on analogy.

Until he announces he's not going, it's still possible. But unless SMU offers him, say, triple or more salary - say 8 to 10 megabucks  - he ain't going. Shit, he's making around 3 at Texas, which is (probably) more than Lashlee makes, already. If SMU were to go there, and throw in the giant pot of gold it'll take to buy the coaches and the players needed, he'd be crazy to turn it down.

I don't think it's gonna happen. In fact, I'm pretty goddamn sure it's not... but the probability, while vanishingly small, is non-zero. 

I bet SMU gets him a raise either way. 

There's no way Lashlee isn't getting at least 5 per going forward. Just look at the guys making $7M plus - some of them are very average and haven't accomplished dick yet at their respective schools. 

https://frontofficesports.com/who-are-highest-paid-college-football-coaches/

They'll offer CDC whatever they can. Idk what that number it is and I don't know up to what number Texas would match (or what delta CDC wouldn't care about).

Personally I'm more interested in the rest of the list right now. It's weird because both revenue sports are doing totally fine right now. And more sports on top of that are nationally relevant. I don't think whoever took the job would have to do much firing and hiring the first year or two.

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8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

...They'll offer CDC whatever they can. Idk what that number it is and I don't know up to what number Texas would match (or what delta CDC wouldn't care about).

... more interested in the rest of the list right now. 

Roger that. 

It's at least 1,000,000 to 1 - at least, I'd guess. I'd buy a $10 ticket if Vegas posted that, but if they post anything at all it'll be a lot less and not worth tossing a penny at.

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10 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Roger that. 

It's at least 1,000,000 to 1 - at least, I'd guess. I'd buy a $10 ticket if Vegas posted that, but if they post anything at all it'll be a lot less and not worth tossing a penny at.

If you want a million to one odds in Texas' direction I'll put a dollar down. Or a penny for 10 grand. 

I'd like SMU's odds better if Sark had just won a title and Beard was still rolling at Texas. I think CDC wants to leave a legacy with a couple of big championships. 

The only way he leaves I think is if he chases the money and what is an easier job and figures he already got Texas their guys in football and baseball and basketball isn't really his fault and he doesn't want to deal with that shit. 

Unlikely, but I don't know the guy. I didn't see Hartzel to SMU but president and AD are different positions. 

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9 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Cost of living in Dallas is more than Austin now.  Gotta keep that in mind

I don't think whatever nickel and dime difference you are citing is going to make a shit for a guy making well into 7 figures.

He may love living in Austin which would be a factor. 

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