Dr. Anthony Fauci Appreciation Thread

[Neonmoon 38129]

If Faucci lied, wouldn’t that mean GOF research happened at Wuhan? Funded by the USA? Wouldn’t we be liable for the pandemic? People think 2 trillion is too much money to spend. Ha. The world would sue us for 100 times that 

Edited October 25, 2021 by Neonmoon

[workswithseed 2088]

35 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

If Faucci lied, wouldn’t that mean GOF research happened at Wuhan? Funded by the USA? Wouldn’t we be liable for the pandemic? People think 2 trillion is too much money to spend. Ha. The world would sue us for 100 times that 

Yeah.

[Captainant 27633]

39 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

If Faucci lied, wouldn’t that mean GOF research happened at Wuhan? Funded by the USA? Wouldn’t we be liable for the pandemic? People think 2 trillion is too much money to spend. Ha. The world would sue us for 100 times that 

 

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Yeah.

TFW that conclusion is specifically called out as not being possible by the same letter y'all are using to support this claim 

[workswithseed 2088]

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

 

TFW that conclusion is specifically called out as not being possible by the same letter y'all are using to support this claim 

If taxpayer money was used, then why couldn't we be sued? Do you think America is so innocent?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

If taxpayer money was used, then why couldn't we be sued? Do you think America is so innocent?

If it comes out we were funding research into gain of function viruses that's something that will be an albatross around our collective necks for decades.

[Captainant 27633]

12 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

If taxpayer money was used, then why couldn't we be sued? Do you think America is so innocent?

specifically that any work that the lab did was not on viruses that were in any way related to COVID-19. It was the last sentence and not the headline though, so I understand why you may have missed it

 

And besides, when did you start giving a shit about America's standing in the international community? Up until Jan 20th you took glee at every time trump shit all over our allies and "shithole" countries.

[SizzleChest 8283]

17 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

If taxpayer money was used, then why couldn't we be sued? Do you think America is so innocent?

TFW partisan flame throwing supersedes everything else under the sun.  Goodbye, America.  It was a good run until it wasn't.

Edited October 25, 2021 by SizzleChest

[Anastasis 23460]

Separate issues imo.

1. Were we funding virus research at the WIV that resulted in GOF?  Answer to that appears to be is yes.

2. Were we funding research at the WIV that resulted in the collection of viral specimens from the cave in Yunnan and their consolidation in Wuhan?  Answer to that is yes.

3. Were we funding research that resulted in the creation of SARS-CoV-2 in the lab at WIV.  No clear evidence that that is the case.

 

1 and 2 should not have been occurring without, at a minimum, robust safety and transparency oversights.  We know that inadequate oversight was taking place. EcoHealth should not receive another dime of taxpayer dollars from NIH or DOD unless they submit to a full audit of all of their research.  

[DDD Dad 14325]

23 hours ago, Anastasis said:

On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.

The NIH based these disclosures on a research progress report that EcoHealth Alliance sent to the agency in August, roughly two years after it was supposed to. An NIH spokesperson told Vanity Fair that Dr. Fauci was “entirely truthful in his statements to Congress,” and that he did not have the progress report that detailed the controversial research at the time he testified in July. But EcoHealth Alliance appeared to contradict that claim, and said in a statement: “These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year four report in April 2018.”

This seems problematic.

[Incredulity 11650]

When do Fauci and Paul go at it again?

 

[Neonmoon 38129]

So the people who blame China for the China virus are arguing it wasn't China's fault, it was the USA's fault?

 

[Incredulity 11650]

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[Onboard 2.0 9083]

43 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

So the people who blame China for the China virus are arguing it wasn't China's fault, it was the USA's fault?

 

Sounds like we may have been in bed with them based on the items in the report.  

[sheeeit 129]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

specifically that any work that the lab did was not on viruses that were in any way related to COVID-19. It was the last sentence and not the headline though, so I understand why you may have missed it

 

And besides, when did you start giving a shit about America's standing in the international community? Up until Jan 20th you took glee at every time trump shit all over our allies and "shithole" countries.

This is really too fucking stupid for even you and some others here to post.  That "last line" nonsense is just ridiculous.  To Anastasia's point, these people are just covering their asses.  Understand what they are saying.  They are saying a combination of 2 things 1) the language in the grant said they were not doing GOF research in a manner that was possibly technically correct (however a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) and 2) their insistence that the actual research does not have the same particulars as Covid is based entirely, 100% on the samples provided to the scientific community by China and the Wuhan Lab and even the highly politicalized WHO has said publicly that China has refused any direct investigation into the lab.

I'll go slow for you.  Covid becomes a world pandemic.  Wuhan is doing hundreds of different experiments on bats with viruses that are not transferable to humans without some sort of mutation.  The leading figure at Wuhan and probably the leading figure in the world, Shi Zhengli, has boasted in medical journals for years about her research and the ability to take bat viruses and modify them to be susceptible to humans.  Suddenly Covid breaks out and it is a world crisis.  Then China, and only China, determine which samples were sent to the international community for inspection.  China sends out samples that are analyzed by scientists and they say they are not related to Covid.  But, of course, China is not going to send anything that would implicate them.  These denials by NIH and WHO and all of these scientists are only relevant if they received every sample possible from Wuhan which the WHO has already said repeatedly that China will not provide.

Further, it seems pretty settled at this point that the bat virus originated in Yunnan.  Yunnan Is several thousand miles from Wuhan (think New Orleans to San Francisco).  For the transmission to be from bat to some other animal to humans to be true then the bats in questions, which do not exist in Wuhan, an animal had to be infected in Yunnan and then travel thousands of miles without infecting anyone along the way until it just happens to get to Wuhan where there exists a lab that is the leading lab for bat coronaviruses being studied in the world, where the head of that agency, Shi Zhengli, has boasted of doing GOF research and published successful GOF research in medical journals, and we are to believe that is what happened.  It is preposterous.  

Of course I do not think the scientists testing samples are lying or are stupid.  But they have zero idea that they have received the actual samples that were being manipulated in Wuhan.  

I do not think, at all, that the Chinese specifically manipulated the virus or were in any way working on some new biological weapon.  But they have admitted in public for years that they are working on GOF research in bat coronaviruses.  Perhaps we will never know but the lab leak theory, imo, is absolutely the cause.  Just a mistake.

As to Fauci, there is no question he knew what was happening.  He covered his tracks pretty well with the paperwork but he knew GOF research was being conducted at Wuhan.  He is very precise when he talks about it by saying nothing that the US funded was to those GOF projects.  When the outbreak occurred, imo, he knew there was likely going to be severe backlash against this type of research, GOF, so he tried to immediately turn the discussion away from it.  I honestly think Fauci and his cohorts thought/think that GOF research is/was worth the risk.  I think they felt the research could help prevent outbreaks in the future.  

As to the origins and their significance, those of you saying it doesn't matter or making ludicrous analogies are just showing yourselves to be the uber partisan hacks that you are.  Of course the origins are  important.  They are important first and foremost so that the medical community tasked with controlling the outbreak no where to start.  If the virus was modified, then it would absolutely be critical to know exactly how it was modified in order to know the best way to approach a vaccine or similar.

There are also massive geopolitical implications.  China is going to be a force the world has to recognize for the foreseeable future.  Many of the sociological issues we are facing that almost all of you are worried about (climate change, human rights, pollution, war, spying, technology stealing etc) are going to be tied to China.  If China was responsible for the outbreak, even if it was by accident, their covering up of their actions will give the world tremendous, almost unprecedented, geopolitical pressure to wield on China to get them to comply with world issues.  The implications are massive.

 

[Captainant 27633]

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Fake as shit. That guy has maybe half the number of layers required, and it comes off like a cheap production value.

[DDD Dad 14325]

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Sounds like we may have been in bed with them based on the items in the report.  

U S A, U S A, U S A!!!!

[DDD Dad 14325]

1 hour ago, sheeeit said:

This is really too fucking stupid for even you and some others here to post.  That "last line" nonsense is just ridiculous.  To Anastasia's point, these people are just covering their asses.  Understand what they are saying.  They are saying a combination of 2 things 1) the language in the grant said they were not doing GOF research in a manner that was possibly technically correct (however a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) and 2) their insistence that the actual research does not have the same particulars as Covid is based entirely, 100% on the samples provided to the scientific community by China and the Wuhan Lab and even the highly politicalized WHO has said publicly that China has refused any direct investigation into the lab.

I'll go slow for you.  Covid becomes a world pandemic.  Wuhan is doing hundreds of different experiments on bats with viruses that are not transferable to humans without some sort of mutation.  The leading figure at Wuhan and probably the leading figure in the world, Shi Zhengli, has boasted in medical journals for years about her research and the ability to take bat viruses and modify them to be susceptible to humans.  Suddenly Covid breaks out and it is a world crisis.  Then China, and only China, determine which samples were sent to the international community for inspection.  China sends out samples that are analyzed by scientists and they say they are not related to Covid.  But, of course, China is not going to send anything that would implicate them.  These denials by NIH and WHO and all of these scientists are only relevant if they received every sample possible from Wuhan which the WHO has already said repeatedly that China will not provide.

Further, it seems pretty settled at this point that the bat virus originated in Yunnan.  Yunnan Is several thousand miles from Wuhan (think New Orleans to San Francisco).  For the transmission to be from bat to some other animal to humans to be true then the bats in questions, which do not exist in Wuhan, an animal had to be infected in Yunnan and then travel thousands of miles without infecting anyone along the way until it just happens to get to Wuhan where there exists a lab that is the leading lab for bat coronaviruses being studied in the world, where the head of that agency, Shi Zhengli, has boasted of doing GOF research and published successful GOF research in medical journals, and we are to believe that is what happened.  It is preposterous.  

Of course I do not think the scientists testing samples are lying or are stupid.  But they have zero idea that they have received the actual samples that were being manipulated in Wuhan.  

I do not think, at all, that the Chinese specifically manipulated the virus or were in any way working on some new biological weapon.  But they have admitted in public for years that they are working on GOF research in bat coronaviruses.  Perhaps we will never know but the lab leak theory, imo, is absolutely the cause.  Just a mistake.

As to Fauci, there is no question he knew what was happening.  He covered his tracks pretty well with the paperwork but he knew GOF research was being conducted at Wuhan.  He is very precise when he talks about it by saying nothing that the US funded was to those GOF projects.  When the outbreak occurred, imo, he knew there was likely going to be severe backlash against this type of research, GOF, so he tried to immediately turn the discussion away from it.  I honestly think Fauci and his cohorts thought/think that GOF research is/was worth the risk.  I think they felt the research could help prevent outbreaks in the future.  

As to the origins and their significance, those of you saying it doesn't matter or making ludicrous analogies are just showing yourselves to be the uber partisan hacks that you are.  Of course the origins are  important.  They are important first and foremost so that the medical community tasked with controlling the outbreak no where to start.  If the virus was modified, then it would absolutely be critical to know exactly how it was modified in order to know the best way to approach a vaccine or similar.

There are also massive geopolitical implications.  China is going to be a force the world has to recognize for the foreseeable future.  Many of the sociological issues we are facing that almost all of you are worried about (climate change, human rights, pollution, war, spying, technology stealing etc) are going to be tied to China.  If China was responsible for the outbreak, even if it was by accident, their covering up of their actions will give the world tremendous, almost unprecedented, geopolitical pressure to wield on China to get them to comply with world issues.  The implications are massive.

 

[SizzleChest 8283]

1 hour ago, sheeeit said:

This is really too fucking stupid for even you and some others here to post.  That "last line" nonsense is just ridiculous.  To Anastasia's point, these people are just covering their asses.  Understand what they are saying.  They are saying a combination of 2 things 1) the language in the grant said they were not doing GOF research in a manner that was possibly technically correct (however a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) and 2) their insistence that the actual research does not have the same particulars as Covid is based entirely, 100% on the samples provided to the scientific community by China and the Wuhan Lab and even the highly politicalized WHO has said publicly that China has refused any direct investigation into the lab.

I'll go slow for you.  Covid becomes a world pandemic.  Wuhan is doing hundreds of different experiments on bats with viruses that are not transferable to humans without some sort of mutation.  The leading figure at Wuhan and probably the leading figure in the world, Shi Zhengli, has boasted in medical journals for years about her research and the ability to take bat viruses and modify them to be susceptible to humans.  Suddenly Covid breaks out and it is a world crisis.  Then China, and only China, determine which samples were sent to the international community for inspection.  China sends out samples that are analyzed by scientists and they say they are not related to Covid.  But, of course, China is not going to send anything that would implicate them.  These denials by NIH and WHO and all of these scientists are only relevant if they received every sample possible from Wuhan which the WHO has already said repeatedly that China will not provide.

Further, it seems pretty settled at this point that the bat virus originated in Yunnan.  Yunnan Is several thousand miles from Wuhan (think New Orleans to San Francisco).  For the transmission to be from bat to some other animal to humans to be true then the bats in questions, which do not exist in Wuhan, an animal had to be infected in Yunnan and then travel thousands of miles without infecting anyone along the way until it just happens to get to Wuhan where there exists a lab that is the leading lab for bat coronaviruses being studied in the world, where the head of that agency, Shi Zhengli, has boasted of doing GOF research and published successful GOF research in medical journals, and we are to believe that is what happened.  It is preposterous.  

Of course I do not think the scientists testing samples are lying or are stupid.  But they have zero idea that they have received the actual samples that were being manipulated in Wuhan.  

I do not think, at all, that the Chinese specifically manipulated the virus or were in any way working on some new biological weapon.  But they have admitted in public for years that they are working on GOF research in bat coronaviruses.  Perhaps we will never know but the lab leak theory, imo, is absolutely the cause.  Just a mistake.

As to Fauci, there is no question he knew what was happening.  He covered his tracks pretty well with the paperwork but he knew GOF research was being conducted at Wuhan.  He is very precise when he talks about it by saying nothing that the US funded was to those GOF projects.  When the outbreak occurred, imo, he knew there was likely going to be severe backlash against this type of research, GOF, so he tried to immediately turn the discussion away from it.  I honestly think Fauci and his cohorts thought/think that GOF research is/was worth the risk.  I think they felt the research could help prevent outbreaks in the future.  

As to the origins and their significance, those of you saying it doesn't matter or making ludicrous analogies are just showing yourselves to be the uber partisan hacks that you are.  Of course the origins are  important.  They are important first and foremost so that the medical community tasked with controlling the outbreak no where to start.  If the virus was modified, then it would absolutely be critical to know exactly how it was modified in order to know the best way to approach a vaccine or similar.

There are also massive geopolitical implications.  China is going to be a force the world has to recognize for the foreseeable future.  Many of the sociological issues we are facing that almost all of you are worried about (climate change, human rights, pollution, war, spying, technology stealing etc) are going to be tied to China.  If China was responsible for the outbreak, even if it was by accident, their covering up of their actions will give the world tremendous, almost unprecedented, geopolitical pressure to wield on China to get them to comply with world issues.  The implications are massive.

 

tl;dr

[JimmyJames 12271]

No one is ever gonna be held “accountable” for Covid. Not the Chinese, not the Americans, not fauci, not trump. The most likely main culprit is the Chinese and they hold all the cards since that’s where it came from, they knew about it first, can control the information about it since they’re a media oppression/controlled state, and while we can make educated guesses about it, can never really prove it.
 

And if you’re relying on Chinese “whistleblowers” to shed light on it, get ready to wait a long time. They’re most likely all dead already. 

[Incredulity 11650]

2 hours ago, sheeeit said:

As to the origins and their significance, those of you saying it doesn't matter or making ludicrous analogies are just showing yourselves to be the uber partisan hacks that you are.  Of course the origins are  important. 

this

[Neonmoon 38129]

Honest question. If you think the USA is responsible, what do you expect the USA to do about it? What should we do about it? 

 

[DDD Dad 14325]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

Honest question. If you think the USA is responsible, what do you expect the USA to do about it? What should we do about it? 

 

Obligatory

[Anastasis 23460]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Honest question. If you think the USA is responsible, what do you expect the USA to do about it? What should we do about it? 

We have identified a deficit in the implementation of oversight and transparency requirements at NIH when it comes to dangerous research being conducted through sub grants overseas.  We should puts holds on the funding, do a thorough audit review of the existing grantees and of the oversight procedures. After we figure what the fuck we have been funding and how we need to close the oversight gaps, we can assess how to move forward.  

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

We have identified a deficit in the implementation of oversight and transparency requirements at NIH when it comes to dangerous research being conducted through sub grants overseas.  We should puts holds on the funding, do a thorough audit review of the existing grantees and of the oversight procedures. After we figure what the fuck we have been funding and how we need to close the oversight gaps, we can assess how to move forward.  

Agreed. Moving on

[Incredulity 11650]

29 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Honest question. If you think the USA is responsible, what do you expect the USA to do about it? What should we do about it? 

 

It's not just the USA that is responsible.  However, I would want us be working on global agreement for transparency and standards for research like GOF. 

Sub-contracting it to China, or other authoritarian regimes, is plain stupid.

 

 

Specific to Fauci:

I don't think there is any value in any harsh punishment.  However, the latest on EcoHealth and NIH really demands his resignation or removal.  

 

 

[sheeeit 129]

18 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

No way.  CNN medical expert saying pretty much exactly what I was saying.  What a fucking farce.  He admits readily that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and that they were successful.  But since it was not the stated "intent" in the wording then Fauci was telling the truth. 

So a leading medical expert for CNN admits publicly that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and was successful at it.  A worldwide pandemic ensues from a mutated bat virus with origins in Wuhan but we are to believe it probably came from natural occurrences.  OK

 

https://newsnetdaily.com/nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-a-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-was-not-the-intention/

Reiner said, “I think it’s important to understand the intent of the research and the effect of the research. So, the aim of the research was to understand whether certain advanced bat coronavirus proteins could infect human cells, and the way they experimented was, they took a well-known bat coronavirus. called WIV1 and they added to that another peak of bat coronavirus protein, and they gave it to mice modified to have the receptor, the ACE-2 receptor that humans have that the virus uses to enter. human cells. And what they found was, yes they could, these advanced proteins could get into human cells, but they also noticed that the enhanced virus was more virulent then. “

He continued, “So they proved that these spike proteins could get into human cells, but in doing so, they made the virus they were using more lethal, basically. The mice were sicker. So, yeah, the net effect was to gain depending for the virus they modified, but it does not appear, at least from the documents provided by the NIH, that this is the intention of the research. So to my Opinion, Dr Fauci and his colleagues answered honestly.It has to do with intention, then effect.

 

I especially like this quote:

"What if the NIH came out and – or Dr Fauci or Dr Collins, months ago, and in response to these attacks from Republican members of the Senate – especially Rand Paul – explained this difference between the intent of the research and the effect and really describes that kind of nuance, I think the public would understand, and it doesn’t look like the NIH has somehow withheld any information. But that becomes the effect of a lack of clarity at the start. So I think in the end Tony Fauci was truthful, not shrewd in his testimony. “

These guys do not even understand what they are saying.  So according to this guy, Fauci should have given a nuanced answer and that the public would have understood but Fauci chose not to so he was actually truthful and not shrewd.  Its total bullshit.  

[SizzleChest 8283]

17 hours ago, Incredulity said:

It's not just the USA that is responsible.  However, I would want us be working on global agreement for transparency and standards for research like GOF. 

Sub-contracting it to China, or other authoritarian regimes, is plain stupid.

 

 

Specific to Fauci:

I don't think there is any value in any harsh punishment.  However, the latest on EcoHealth and NIH really demands his resignation or removal.  

 

 

Collins is already stepping down.  Yes, he's saying he's retiring.  

If this is just a hunt for skulls, it's just another batshit political agenda driven shitshow.  It's not real reform because that would, you know, require Congress to pull its thumb out of its ass for real and not some Rand Paul clickbait party.

Edited October 26, 2021 by SizzleChest

[DDD Dad 14325]

19 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

No way.  CNN medical expert saying pretty much exactly what I was saying.  What a fucking farce.  He admits readily that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and that they were successful.  But since it was not the stated "intent" in the wording then Fauci was telling the truth. 

So a leading medical expert for CNN admits publicly that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and was successful at it.  A worldwide pandemic ensues from a mutated bat virus with origins in Wuhan but we are to believe it probably came from natural occurrences.  OK

 

https://newsnetdaily.com/nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-a-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-was-not-the-intention/

Reiner said, “I think it’s important to understand the intent of the research and the effect of the research. So, the aim of the research was to understand whether certain advanced bat coronavirus proteins could infect human cells, and the way they experimented was, they took a well-known bat coronavirus. called WIV1 and they added to that another peak of bat coronavirus protein, and they gave it to mice modified to have the receptor, the ACE-2 receptor that humans have that the virus uses to enter. human cells. And what they found was, yes they could, these advanced proteins could get into human cells, but they also noticed that the enhanced virus was more virulent then. “

He continued, “So they proved that these spike proteins could get into human cells, but in doing so, they made the virus they were using more lethal, basically. The mice were sicker. So, yeah, the net effect was to gain depending for the virus they modified, but it does not appear, at least from the documents provided by the NIH, that this is the intention of the research. So to my Opinion, Dr Fauci and his colleagues answered honestly.It has to do with intention, then effect.

 

I especially like this quote:

"What if the NIH came out and – or Dr Fauci or Dr Collins, months ago, and in response to these attacks from Republican members of the Senate – especially Rand Paul – explained this difference between the intent of the research and the effect and really describes that kind of nuance, I think the public would understand, and it doesn’t look like the NIH has somehow withheld any information. But that becomes the effect of a lack of clarity at the start. So I think in the end Tony Fauci was truthful, not shrewd in his testimony. “

These guys do not even understand what they are saying.  So according to this guy, Fauci should have given a nuanced answer and that the public would have understood but Fauci chose not to so he was actually truthful and not shrewd.  Its total bullshit.  

 

[Gap03 3303]

43 minutes ago, sheeeit said:

No way.  CNN medical expert saying pretty much exactly what I was saying.  What a fucking farce.  He admits readily that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and that they were successful.  But since it was not the stated "intent" in the wording then Fauci was telling the truth. 

So a leading medical expert for CNN admits publicly that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and was successful at it.  A worldwide pandemic ensues from a mutated bat virus with origins in Wuhan but we are to believe it probably came from natural occurrences.  OK

 

https://newsnetdaily.com/nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-a-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-was-not-the-intention/

Reiner said, “I think it’s important to understand the intent of the research and the effect of the research. So, the aim of the research was to understand whether certain advanced bat coronavirus proteins could infect human cells, and the way they experimented was, they took a well-known bat coronavirus. called WIV1 and they added to that another peak of bat coronavirus protein, and they gave it to mice modified to have the receptor, the ACE-2 receptor that humans have that the virus uses to enter. human cells. And what they found was, yes they could, these advanced proteins could get into human cells, but they also noticed that the enhanced virus was more virulent then. “

He continued, “So they proved that these spike proteins could get into human cells, but in doing so, they made the virus they were using more lethal, basically. The mice were sicker. So, yeah, the net effect was to gain depending for the virus they modified, but it does not appear, at least from the documents provided by the NIH, that this is the intention of the research. So to my Opinion, Dr Fauci and his colleagues answered honestly.It has to do with intention, then effect.

 

I especially like this quote:

"What if the NIH came out and – or Dr Fauci or Dr Collins, months ago, and in response to these attacks from Republican members of the Senate – especially Rand Paul – explained this difference between the intent of the research and the effect and really describes that kind of nuance, I think the public would understand, and it doesn’t look like the NIH has somehow withheld any information. But that becomes the effect of a lack of clarity at the start. So I think in the end Tony Fauci was truthful, not shrewd in his testimony. “

These guys do not even understand what they are saying.  So according to this guy, Fauci should have given a nuanced answer and that the public would have understood but Fauci chose not to so he was actually truthful and not shrewd.  Its total bullshit.  

Newsnetdaily.com, huh?  I'm with DDD Dad here ...

 

[SizzleChest 8283]

sheeeit and immortal spamming the board with cuntery is very 2017.

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, sheeeit said:

No way.  CNN medical expert saying pretty much exactly what I was saying.  What a fucking farce.  He admits readily that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and that they were successful.  But since it was not the stated "intent" in the wording then Fauci was telling the truth. 

So a leading medical expert for CNN admits publicly that Wuhan was doing GOF research on bat coronaviruses and was successful at it.  A worldwide pandemic ensues from a mutated bat virus with origins in Wuhan but we are to believe it probably came from natural occurrences.  OK

 

https://newsnetdaily.com/nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-a-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-was-not-the-intention/

Reiner said, “I think it’s important to understand the intent of the research and the effect of the research. So, the aim of the research was to understand whether certain advanced bat coronavirus proteins could infect human cells, and the way they experimented was, they took a well-known bat coronavirus. called WIV1 and they added to that another peak of bat coronavirus protein, and they gave it to mice modified to have the receptor, the ACE-2 receptor that humans have that the virus uses to enter. human cells. And what they found was, yes they could, these advanced proteins could get into human cells, but they also noticed that the enhanced virus was more virulent then. “

He continued, “So they proved that these spike proteins could get into human cells, but in doing so, they made the virus they were using more lethal, basically. The mice were sicker. So, yeah, the net effect was to gain depending for the virus they modified, but it does not appear, at least from the documents provided by the NIH, that this is the intention of the research. So to my Opinion, Dr Fauci and his colleagues answered honestly.It has to do with intention, then effect.

 

I especially like this quote:

"What if the NIH came out and – or Dr Fauci or Dr Collins, months ago, and in response to these attacks from Republican members of the Senate – especially Rand Paul – explained this difference between the intent of the research and the effect and really describes that kind of nuance, I think the public would understand, and it doesn’t look like the NIH has somehow withheld any information. But that becomes the effect of a lack of clarity at the start. So I think in the end Tony Fauci was truthful, not shrewd in his testimony. “

These guys do not even understand what they are saying.  So according to this guy, Fauci should have given a nuanced answer and that the public would have understood but Fauci chose not to so he was actually truthful and not shrewd.  Its total bullshit.  

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58 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Newsnetdaily.com, huh?  I'm with DDD Dad here ...

 

Lulz.  I think you guys should be nicknamed ostriches.  This is from an interview with Jake Tapper of CNN and one of their go to Doctors on Covid.

Here is a link with the actual interview.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/10/25/cnns-reiner-nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-wasnt-the-intent/

 

[Trey3216 15344]

On 7/21/2021 at 8:53 AM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Quite the shift from the “Virus Gonna Virus” days.

Well, the current rates of virus expansion in states like FL and VT make it look like virus gonna virus is still pretty accurate.  

[BabaYaga 15288]

On 10/25/2021 at 10:05 AM, sheeeit said:

This is really too fucking stupid for even you and some others here to post.  That "last line" nonsense is just ridiculous.  To Anastasia's point, these people are just covering their asses.  Understand what they are saying.  They are saying a combination of 2 things 1) the language in the grant said they were not doing GOF research in a manner that was possibly technically correct (however a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) and 2) their insistence that the actual research does not have the same particulars as Covid is based entirely, 100% on the samples provided to the scientific community by China and the Wuhan Lab and even the highly politicalized WHO has said publicly that China has refused any direct investigation into the lab.

I'll go slow for you.  Covid becomes a world pandemic.  Wuhan is doing hundreds of different experiments on bats with viruses that are not transferable to humans without some sort of mutation.  The leading figure at Wuhan and probably the leading figure in the world, Shi Zhengli, has boasted in medical journals for years about her research and the ability to take bat viruses and modify them to be susceptible to humans.  Suddenly Covid breaks out and it is a world crisis.  Then China, and only China, determine which samples were sent to the international community for inspection.  China sends out samples that are analyzed by scientists and they say they are not related to Covid.  But, of course, China is not going to send anything that would implicate them.  These denials by NIH and WHO and all of these scientists are only relevant if they received every sample possible from Wuhan which the WHO has already said repeatedly that China will not provide.

Further, it seems pretty settled at this point that the bat virus originated in Yunnan.  Yunnan Is several thousand miles from Wuhan (think New Orleans to San Francisco).  For the transmission to be from bat to some other animal to humans to be true then the bats in questions, which do not exist in Wuhan, an animal had to be infected in Yunnan and then travel thousands of miles without infecting anyone along the way until it just happens to get to Wuhan where there exists a lab that is the leading lab for bat coronaviruses being studied in the world, where the head of that agency, Shi Zhengli, has boasted of doing GOF research and published successful GOF research in medical journals, and we are to believe that is what happened.  It is preposterous.  

Of course I do not think the scientists testing samples are lying or are stupid.  But they have zero idea that they have received the actual samples that were being manipulated in Wuhan.  

I do not think, at all, that the Chinese specifically manipulated the virus or were in any way working on some new biological weapon.  But they have admitted in public for years that they are working on GOF research in bat coronaviruses.  Perhaps we will never know but the lab leak theory, imo, is absolutely the cause.  Just a mistake.

As to Fauci, there is no question he knew what was happening.  He covered his tracks pretty well with the paperwork but he knew GOF research was being conducted at Wuhan.  He is very precise when he talks about it by saying nothing that the US funded was to those GOF projects.  When the outbreak occurred, imo, he knew there was likely going to be severe backlash against this type of research, GOF, so he tried to immediately turn the discussion away from it.  I honestly think Fauci and his cohorts thought/think that GOF research is/was worth the risk.  I think they felt the research could help prevent outbreaks in the future.  

As to the origins and their significance, those of you saying it doesn't matter or making ludicrous analogies are just showing yourselves to be the uber partisan hacks that you are.  Of course the origins are  important.  They are important first and foremost so that the medical community tasked with controlling the outbreak no where to start.  If the virus was modified, then it would absolutely be critical to know exactly how it was modified in order to know the best way to approach a vaccine or similar.

There are also massive geopolitical implications.  China is going to be a force the world has to recognize for the foreseeable future.  Many of the sociological issues we are facing that almost all of you are worried about (climate change, human rights, pollution, war, spying, technology stealing etc) are going to be tied to China.  If China was responsible for the outbreak, even if it was by accident, their covering up of their actions will give the world tremendous, almost unprecedented, geopolitical pressure to wield on China to get them to comply with world issues.  The implications are massive.

 

Well, well, fucking well....it's as if someone was beating this fucking drum for almost a year now.  

This was a political and media coverup akin to the WMD's in Iraq.  

See highlighted above - it not only implicated him, but the entire field of GOF as mentioned, so he sent in his buddy Daszak to run interference and squash this entire narrative about the lab.

The 2018 cables about sub-par security issues at the lab should have been a warning to everyone.

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2 hours ago, sheeeit said:

Lulz.  I think you guys should be nicknamed ostriches.  This is from an interview with Jake Tapper of CNN and one of their go to Doctors on Covid.

Here is a link with the actual interview.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/10/25/cnns-reiner-nih-funded-research-that-caused-virus-to-gain-function-but-faucis-testimony-is-true-because-that-wasnt-the-intent/

brietbart, eh? The publication whose owner is currently facing criminal contempt of congress for refusing to testify in relation to his hand in planning and executing the January 6th insurrection?

[wildcat09 29345]

Breitbart also tried to pay the attorney for one of Roy Moore's victims $10,000 to drop her as a client and publicly denounce her accusations as a lie. They're as trustworthy as Baba is intelligent.

[BabaYaga 15288]

IT WAS A PANGOLIN...!!!

[Incredulity 11650]

2 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Well, the current rates of virus expansion in states like FL and VT make it look like virus gonna virus is still pretty accurate.  

  Cases in FL are dropping, correct?

[Trey3216 15344]

30 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

  Cases in FL are dropping, correct?

Correct.  

[sheeeit 129]

48 minutes ago, Captainant said:

brietbart, eh? The publication whose owner is currently facing criminal contempt of congress for refusing to testify in relation to his hand in planning and executing the January 6th insurrection?

 

39 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Breitbart also tried to pay the attorney for one of Roy Moore's victims $10,000 to drop her as a client and publicly denounce her accusations as a lie. They're as trustworthy as Baba is intelligent.

Typical from you two bozos.  The link provides the actual video of the Tapper interview.  Even you two mensa candidates arent going to suggest that the video is altered are you?  

Just another reason this place is declining.  On a politics board and a topic about Fauci and Covid I link to a Jake Tapper interview on CNN with one of their Covid medical specialists (specifically because anything from a medical expert on a network you guys don't like is disregarded) and it is alternately called spam and untrustworthy simply because the first link that showed up in a google search was from Breitbart.  Hacks.

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2021-10-25/segment/01

You didn't bother to watch the video so I doubt you will read the transcript but here it is.  Direct from CNN.  

 

[Incredulity 11650]

7 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Correct.  

So what were you referencing with "current rate of virus expansion"? I haz the confuse.

[Trey3216 15344]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

So what were you referencing with "current rate of virus expansion"? I haz the confuse.

That Florida's case counts have dropped like a stone and Vermont, that bastion of vaccination superiority, is now one of the highest if not the highest in the country.  Because virus gonna virus.  

 

It's a comparison of sorts.  You know, a juxtaposition on how virus infections wax and wane as opposed to how mitigation efforts are championed to be the end all be all of success.   The virus is gon virus, it just has cycles.  

Edited October 26, 2021 by Trey3216

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Shit, even NPR is now interviewing experts (specifically doctors, scientists dealing with the spikes in places like India), who are saying herd immunity is a unicorn with this virus, vaccinations are no sure way to stop from getting it.  So I guess we just gonna shut down the world, and hide for ever now.

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19 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

That Florida's case counts have dropped like a stone and Vermont, that bastion of vaccination superiority, is now one of the highest if not the highest in the country.  Because virus gonna virus.  

 

It's a comparison of sorts.  You know, a juxtaposition on how virus infections wax and wane as opposed to how mitigation efforts are championed to be the end all be all of success.   The virus is gon virus, it just has cycles.  

So you're telling me that Vermont (which has had only 56 deaths / 100,000 residents over the pandemic) has been wasting their time with vaccinations and mitigation efforts by pointing to Florida (which has had 274 deaths / 100,000 residents - and probably more given they don't like to actually count COVID deaths) - is that it?  Yeah, I get that Florida appears to be doing much better right now (especially relative to their recent history) because so many of them were hell-bent on catching it all together over the last few months and overrunning their hospitals in the process, but I think I'd rather be in a state where, at their worst, the resulting hospitalizations allowed them to treat patients that might need normal emergent care instead of focusing on the idiots intent on exercising their "freedums."

[Trey3216 15344]

2 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

So you're telling me that Vermont (which has had only 56 deaths / 100,000 residents over the pandemic) has been wasting their time with vaccinations and mitigation efforts by pointing to Florida (which has had 274 deaths / 100,000 residents - and probably more given they don't like to actually count COVID deaths) - is that it?  Yeah, I get that Florida appears to be doing much better right now (especially relative to their recent history) because so many of them were hell-bent on catching it all together over the last few months and overrunning their hospitals in the process, but I think I'd rather be in a state where, at their worst, the resulting hospitalizations allowed them to treat patients that might need normal emergent care instead of focusing on the idiots intent on exercising their "freedums."

I understand your argument.  I'm merely stating that the virus was and is gonna run its course anyway.  Still running rampant through Vermont with 90% vaccination rates in adults and their kids are going to school in plastic prisons in many similar states.  Fuck all that.  We are literally destroying the developing minds of children with these draconian measures.  Can't wait to see the football boards in the next 7-20 years bitching about student attendance when all they've ever known is to be scared of fucking everything.  Jesus Tapdancing.  

[High Plains Drifter 11028]

On 10/25/2021 at 7:25 AM, Neonmoon said:

If Faucci lied, wouldn’t that mean GOF research happened at Wuhan? Funded by the USA? Wouldn’t we be liable for the pandemic? People think 2 trillion is too much money to spend. Ha. The world would sue us for 100 times that 

 

100 times trillion? What is that, like a brazillion?

 

[High Plains Drifter 11028]

7 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Shit, even NPR is now interviewing experts (specifically doctors, scientists dealing with the spikes in places like India), who are saying herd immunity is a unicorn with this virus, vaccinations are no sure way to stop from getting it.  So I guess we just gonna shut down the world, and hide for ever now.

 

this may be true, but vaccinations are a sure way to avoid dying from it if you do catch it.

 

[jimmyjazz 45887]

28 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I understand your argument.  I'm merely stating that the virus was and is gonna run its course anyway.  Still running rampant through Vermont with 90% vaccination rates in adults and their kids are going to school in plastic prisons in many similar states.

I imagine Vermonters test more than Florida residents, but ignoring that, the reality is that Vermont is lagging Florida by ~ 2 months on this recent wave.  At its peak in mid-August, Florida was averaging ~ 1 new infection per 1,000 residents each day.  Vermont appears to have just crested, but was averaging ~ 1 new infection per 2,500 residents each day at their peak.

So, it's not exactly a strong argument you're making.

Edited October 26, 2021 by jimmyjazz

[jimmyjazz 45887]

32 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Shit, even NPR is now interviewing experts (specifically doctors, scientists dealing with the spikes in places like India), who are saying herd immunity is a unicorn with this virus, vaccinations are no sure way to stop from getting it.  

Tell me why this matters.  Tell me why a 90% success rate is bad.  Come on, you can do it.