Dr. Anthony Fauci Appreciation Thread

[TwiceHorn 31,451]

9 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Come on man.  That's weak sauce and you know it.  It's more than a half million dollars.  You bet your ass that's tracked, especially for the intent.  It's not $600K to upgrade all the copy machines....it's for bio-research with a deadly pathogen.  By design that has to get HHS oversight approval.  

You're assuming a lot, there.  

Maybe it's a token payment as sort of a goodwill gesture.  Pfizer spends about six billion annually on research.  $600k over five years doesnt' even pay the salary of one researcher, probably even in China.

There's a lot of plausible non-nefarious explanations for all of this.  

Maybe it was a giant conspiracy headed by Fauci the pederast.  Most likely it wasn't.

Edited June 7, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[BabaYaga 15,290]

4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

If a foreign nation is suspected of launching a biological attack on this nation and her interests, I guarantee the CDC is not in charge of our national security response. 

Begging the obvious question - if so, is this the worst Intelligence Community miss since 9/11?  

[Dahobbs 17,534]

32 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Is this a joke?  3+ million people dead.  You think knowing the origin of the virus might have been a novel idea in knowing how it operates?  JFC.  Early on nobody knew anything about it, it's MO, possible treatment/containment options, etc.  

Why would knowing it was accidentally released from a lab as opposed to natural origins change anything about our response? We had its entire genome in very short order and had vaccines in testing. It's not like knowing the specific cave it came from was going to tell us much about how the virus reacts in human populations or how to best treat it. 

[BabaYaga 15,290]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

You're assuming a lot, there.  

Maybe it's a token payment as sort of a goodwill gesture.  Pfizer spends about six billion annually on research.  $600k over five years doesnt' even pay the salary of one researcher, probably even in China.

It was an NIH grant.  There is a single person involved in dolling out ALL the NIH grant money.  Want to take a stab at who he is?  He is also, based upon the type of the research done, responsible for alerting the HSS.  Trying to muddy this up as a percentage of the aggregate is weak sauce and I think you know it. 

[Poe It Up 126]

If this thing is proved to be from a lab, we really need to change the name back to China Virus. 

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

18 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Come on man.  That's weak sauce and you know it.  It's more than a half million dollars.  You bet your ass that's tracked, especially for the intent.  It's not $600K to upgrade all the copy machines....it's for bio-research with a deadly pathogen.  By design that has to get HHS oversight approval.  

Let me confirm the assertion that you're a moron.  You're a moron.  $600K is fucking NOTHING in research.  It wouldn't pay the salaries and benefits of any more than maybe 3 scientists.

Look, you're a Trump bootlicker who has been bamboozled by this Fauci head fake.  There's no shame in that, the world needs ditch diggers too.

[washparkhorn 9,939]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Begging the obvious question - if so, is this the worst Intelligence Community miss since 9/11?  

I assume our IC knows what happened in the Wuhan lab and continues to respond appropriately. Imagine the leverage we would have with China if this was a biological attack.

Reality is we continue to pivot to confront China's aspirations (same policy since Obama, as continued by Trump, and embraced by Biden). Confronting China remains a bipartisan (and Western) policy goal in the economic and military spheres. 

[TwiceHorn 31,451]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

There is a single person involved in dolling out ALL the NIH grant money.  Want to take a stab at who he is?  He is also, based upon the type of the research done, responsible for alerting the HSS.  

I'm gonna need a citation here.  Perhaps you mean NIAID.

And you're never going to convince me that $600k over five years, though a third party in EHA, is a significant grant.  Everything I read calls it "Research of bat-based coronavirus."  That's like a one-student graduate project in an engineering field.

[BabaYaga 15,290]

31 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Why would knowing it was accidentally released from a lab as opposed to natural origins change anything about our response? We had its entire genome in very short order and had vaccines in testing. It's not like knowing the specific cave it came from was going to tell us much about how the virus reacts in human populations or how to best treat it. 

Early on I remember scientists on TV/radio saying there biggest concern was not knowing the "MO" is this novel virus.  How it moved?  Infection trends, etc..  This is basic crisis mitigation strategy 101.  

You don't think overwhelming global pressure on getting samples, data, etc to learn more about the virus would have helped?  At the VERY least, the domestic response would have galvanized around a known pathogen that can from a lab.  Full stop.  

 

[BabaYaga 15,290]

23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let me confirm the assertion that you're a moron.  You're a moron.  $600K is fucking NOTHING in research.  It wouldn't pay the salaries and benefits of any more than maybe 3 scientists.

Look, you're a Trump bootlicker who has been bamboozled by this Fauci head fake.  There's no shame in that, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Let me confirm the assertion that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.  This is one grant.  Not THE grant, but one of many.  The WIV alone received close to $200 million in subcontracts from the US department of State, including $7M directly from the NIH - all of which (NIH grant money) flow through Fauci.

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

Where would the United States' component of that overwhelming global pressure come from?  Maybe the President, on advice from the head of the CDC?

You continue to rail against Fauci when he wasn't the "buck stops here" guy.  

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42 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You're assuming a lot, there.  

Maybe it's a token payment as sort of a goodwill gesture.  Pfizer spends about six billion annually on research.  $600k over five years doesnt' even pay the salary of one researcher, probably even in China.

There's a lot of plausible non-nefarious explanations for all of this.  

Maybe it was a giant conspiracy headed by Fauci the pederast.  Most likely it wasn't.

Why does it have to either a right or left leaning conspiracy? Why can't it just be negligence?

[washparkhorn 9,939]

3 minutes ago, lmao said:

Why can't it just be negligence?

Doesn't sell My Pillow ads. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,776]

38 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Why would knowing it was accidentally released from a lab as opposed to natural origins change anything about our response? We had its entire genome in very short order and had vaccines in testing. It's not like knowing the specific cave it came from was going to tell us much about how the virus reacts in human populations or how to best treat it. 

China can be criticized for a few months of bad behavior. The Trump administration was responsible for years of bad behavior. From leaving a seat at the WHO unfilled to pulling scientists out of China to dismantling the White House pandemic unit.

Trump and Pence are incompetent morons and put my health and safety at risk and fuck you if you defend them. That’s personal and makes you my enemy. 

[BabaYaga 15,290]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Where would the United States' component of that overwhelming global pressure come from?  Maybe the President, on advice from the head of the CDC?

You continue to rail against Fauci when he wasn't the "buck stops here" guy.  

You have an amazingly inept knowledge of Fauci.  At this stage, it's almost impressive how little you know or care.

Here's an interview with Molecular biologist Dr. Richard H. Ebright, PhD on how Fauci weaseled the reversal on the pause implemented by Obama to stop all dangerous GOF research on these pathogens.  No pause reversal.  No GFO.  No COVID.  That clear enough for you?  It also outlines the clear conflict of interest by Daszak and Fauci on the initial claims that a lab leak was nothing but conspiracy.

GOF pause reversal by Fauci

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First, the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, a city of 11 million persons that does not contain horseshoe-bat colonies, that is tens of kilometers
from, and that is outside the flight range of, the nearest known horseshoe-bat colonies.  Furthermore, the outbreak occurred at a time of year when horseshoe bats are in hibernation and do not leave colonies

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Second, the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, on the doorstep of the laboratory that conducts the world’s largest research project on horseshoe bat viruses, that has the world’s largest collection of horseshoe-bat viruses, and that possessed and worked with the world’s closest sequenced relative of the outbreak virus. The laboratory actively searched for new horseshoe-bat viruses in horseshoe-bat colonies in caves in remote rural areas in Yunnan province, brought those new horseshoe-bat viruses to Wuhan, and then mass-produced, genetically manipulated, and studied those new horseshoe-bat viruses, year-round, inside Wuhan.

 A remarkable coincidence. The last one?

Third, the bat-SARS-related-coronavirus projects at the Wuhan Institute of Virology used personal protective equipment (usually just gloves; sometimes not even gloves) and biosafety standards (usually just biosafety level 2) that would pose very high risk of infection of field-collection, field-survey, or laboratory staff upon contact with a virus having the transmission properties of SARS-CoV-2.

The cables in 2018 bore this out as well and were the initial alert that the research had even started again.

And my favorite:

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The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have systematically thwarted efforts by the White House, the Congress, scientists, and science policy specialists to regulate GoF research of concern and even to require risk-benefit review for projects involving GoF research of concern.

In 2014, the Obama White House implemented a “Pause” in federal funding for GoF research of concern.  However, the document announcing the Pause stated in a footnote that: “An exception from pause may be obtained if head of funding agency determines research is urgently necessary to protect public health or national security”. Unfortunately, the NIAID Director and the NIH Director exploited this loophole to issue exemptions to projects subject to the Pause –preposterously asserting the exempted research was “urgently necessary to protect public health or national security”– thereby nullifying the Pause.

In 2017, the Trump Administration announced a Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework that implemented a requirement for risk-benefit review of GoF research of concern. However, the P3CO Framework relies on the funding agency to flag and forward proposals for risk-benefit review.  Unfortunately, the NIAID Director and the NIH Director have declined to flag and forward proposals for risk-benefit review, thereby nullifying the P3CO Framework.

AND we're back full circle.  Fauci and Daszak, regardless of the monetary amount, are directly responsible for flagging at-risk research for the HHS.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

46 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Maybe because it was $600,000.  The NIH distributes almost $32 billion annually.  And there's some evidence that the $600k was over a period of five years.  So even on an annualized basis, that's 0.002% of the NIH's total outlay.  While that's not NIAID's fraction, it's probably more like $120k on an annual basis.

That's a fucking pittance for biomedical research.  

Yes, NIH is a behemoth when it comes to funding. More and more academic institutions are favoring NIH recipients over other agencies such as DoE and NSF.

It was about $100,000 per year to work with the Wuhan lab (EcoHealth Alliance was the grantee) that is per a CBS special from 2020 in which they specifically discuss some of the resurrected conspiracy theories (the virus is not man-made despite Pompeo saying it was; he later backtracked when that got a lot of blowback) and interviews with Peter Daszak and other scientists.
 Again, a lot of this is noise so that people aren't looking at other things at which they should be paying attention.

 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,402]

31 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Early on I remember scientists on TV/radio saying there biggest concern was not knowing the "MO" is this novel virus.  How it moved?  Infection trends, etc..  This is basic crisis mitigation strategy 101.  

You don't think overwhelming global pressure on getting samples, data, etc to learn more about the virus would have helped?  At the VERY least, the domestic response would have galvanized around a known pathogen that can from a lab.  Full stop.  

 

And maybe that would have happened if the administration at the time didn't spend all of its energy down playing the virus or straight up lying about it.  We should have been on China's ass from the moment we knew it came from there.  

[wildcat09 29,349]

How many times has Baba linked to Daily Caller in this thread? Call me crazy, but if I were trying to convince people of anything, I wouldn't repeatedly link to a publication that has a long-running problem of hiring white supremacists.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,395]

Some of y'all are a bunch of assholes.

Fauci did everything he, a 79-year-old man, could to stop a pandemic despite the irrational, capricious response to it by his boss, whom he did not want to be seen as undermining.   A few meaningless emails. Nothing of substance.  And, as said, 600k is a pittance. 

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

You have an amazingly inept knowledge of Fauci.  At this stage, it's almost impressive how little you know or care.

Here's an interview with Molecular biologist Dr. Richard H. Ebright, PhD on how Fauci weaseled the reversal on the pause implemented by Obama to stop all dangerous GOF research on these pathogens.  No pause reversal.  No GFO.  No COVID.  That clear enough for you?

No, it's not.  Ebright is a self-affirming white knight who has railed against this type of research for decades.  His conclusion is baked in.  

You are literally blaming Anthony Fauci for the Covid virus.  You are a fucking crackpot.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

13 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

You have an amazingly inept knowledge of Fauci.  At this stage, it's almost impressive how little you know or care.

Here's an interview with Molecular biologist Dr. Richard H. Ebright, PhD on how Fauci weaseled the reversal on the pause implemented by Obama to stop all dangerous GOF research on these pathogens.  No pause reversal.  No GFO.  No COVID.  That clear enough for you?  It also outlines the clear conflict of interest by Daszak and Fauci on the initial claims that a lab leak was nothing but conspiracy.

GOF pause reversal by Fauci

The cables in 2018 bore this out as well and were the initial alert that the research had even started again.

And my favorite:

AND we're back full circle.  Fauci and Daszak, regardless of the monetary amount, are directly responsible for flagging at-risk research for the HHS.

The ocean is a lot further away from Wuhan than your bat population, but you can get seafood there.  You can probably get elephant tusk and all kinds of other exotic shit there too.  I don't think the speculation about the bat vector was because the horseshoe bat is local, its because the horseshoe bat (and pangolin, and other potential vectors) are part of the local wet market.  

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,395]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

How many times has Baba linked to Daily Caller in this thread? Call me crazy, but if I were trying to convince people of anything, I wouldn't repeatedly link to a publication that has a long-running problem of hiring white supremacists.

No shit. It's the worst of the worst. It's fake news that is bought and paid for by the Russians. It has published and continues to publish false stories.   Publishes nonsense for white supremacist consumption.  

 

[wildcat09 29,349]

 

Just such an awesome source to go to for information about the world.

[Anastasis 23,469]

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Anastasis

[DDD Dad 14,334]

On 6/2/2021 at 5:35 PM, BabaYaga said:

 

Do you seriously not know Fauccis background as it relates to GOF research?  Or that Obama shut him down, and he re-engaged the labs in Wuhan?  This is all public stuff.  Not hard to find.

dO tHe rEseARch!!!!!

[Neonmoon 38,129]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

I agree. 

[Ojo Rojo 1,963]

On 6/4/2021 at 8:32 PM, Mole said:

The “China made COVID to stop Trump’s re-election” theory assumes that being president during a national crisis is bad for re-election chances. In hindsight, he lost because of how unbelievably poorly he managed the crisis, but had he done what every other president in American history would have done, or even just nothing but cheerlead for the experts, he probably would have easily won re-election.

That he would make disastrous decision after disastrous decision over and over again couldn’t have been assumed in late 2019. Trump used COVID to undermine his re-election.

What?  Have you seen Donald Trump? He was certain to fuck up a national crisis.  China knew exactly what would happen.  Hell, I knew exactly what would happen.

[Dahobbs 17,534]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Early on I remember scientists on TV/radio saying there biggest concern was not knowing the "MO" is this novel virus.  How it moved?  Infection trends, etc..  This is basic crisis mitigation strategy 101.  

You don't think overwhelming global pressure on getting samples, data, etc to learn more about the virus would have helped?  At the VERY least, the domestic response would have galvanized around a known pathogen that can from a lab.  Full stop.  

 

Sure, knowing how it moved in human populations would be useful information. But knowing the cave in China it originated from doesn't tell us that. The only thing that really tells us that is observing it human populations on a large scale. Unfortunately, we all took part in that study.  

Edited June 7, 2021 by Dahobbs

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Come on man.  That's weak sauce and you know it.  It's more than a half million dollars.  You bet your ass that's tracked, especially for the intent.  It's not $600K to upgrade all the copy machines....it's for bio-research with a deadly pathogen.  By design that has to get HHS oversight approval.  

Legit LOL, 600K!?!?!

https://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/funding_program.htm

You don't even need advance permission for up to 500k. If they're shady about funding you'll see some number right up to 499k.  Not 600k.  Also my dumb ass - an OU grad, got several hundred grand approved for some project between my graduation and starting med school.  I literally have no idea wtf it was even for.  That's how pathetic 600k is in this game. 

 

We are talking NIH research dollars.  That's big league.  600k gets you very little in the way of research.  Also you keep approaching this as if it's amazing a coronavirus is being studied.  Bacteria and viruses are studied all the god damn time - you act like studying them is nefarious.  Basically all cold viruses are types of coronavirus.  I actually read your posts to some pathologists here at the hospital and we had a good laugh...post more. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by ChiTownDoc

[DDD Dad 14,334]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Why would knowing it was accidentally released from a lab as opposed to natural origins change anything about our response? We had its entire genome in very short order and had vaccines in testing. It's not like knowing the specific cave it came from was going to tell us much about how the virus reacts in human populations or how to best treat it. 

[Dahobbs 17,534]

30 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

Yup. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

31 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

No doubt - I mentioned it upthread.  There's a lot of scientists stateside who take NIH funding then also directly or indirectly take money from China as well - there was a huge crackdown on this going on even before C19.  At least now the plausible deniability part is thrown out the window for most scientists playing this game...

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16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Legit LOL, 600K!?!?!

https://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/funding_program.htm

You don't even need advance permission for up to 500k. If they're shady about funding you'll see some number right up to 499k.  Not 600k.  Also my dumb ass - an OU grad, got several hundred grand approved for some project between my graduation and starting med school.  I literally have no idea wtf it was even for.  That's how pathetic 600k is in this game. 

 

We are talking NIH research dollars.  That's big league.  600k gets you very little in the way of research.  Also you keep approaching this as if it's amazing a coronavirus is being studied.  Bacteria and viruses are studied all the god damn time - you act like studying them is nefarious.  Basically all cold viruses are types of coronavirus.  I actually read your posts to some pathologists here at the hospital and we had a good laugh...post more. 

Yeah...but still!

[BabaYaga 15,290]

58 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, it's not.  Ebright is a self-affirming white knight who has railed against this type of research for decades.  His conclusion is baked in.  

You are literally blaming Anthony Fauci for the Covid virus.  You are a fucking crackpot.

Ad hominen.  Cute.  

[BabaYaga 15,290]

20 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Legit LOL, 600K!?!?!

https://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/funding_program.htm

You don't even need advance permission for up to 500k. If they're shady about funding you'll see some number right up to 499k.  Not 600k.  Also my dumb ass - an OU grad, got several hundred grand approved for some project between my graduation and starting med school.  I literally have no idea wtf it was even for.  That's how pathetic 600k is in this game. 

 

We are talking NIH research dollars.  That's big league.  600k gets you very little in the way of research.  Also you keep approaching this as if it's amazing a coronavirus is being studied.  Bacteria and viruses are studied all the god damn time - you act like studying them is nefarious.  Basically all cold viruses are types of coronavirus.  I actually read your posts to some pathologists here at the hospital and we had a good laugh...post more. 

How many times do we have to cite total funding for WIV was north of $200 Million from the state department, with close to seven million controlled directly by the NIH.  Again, for the fourth time, 600K was one grant.  One of many.  

[BabaYaga 15,290]

58 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

The ocean is a lot further away from Wuhan than your bat population, but you can get seafood there.  You can probably get elephant tusk and all kinds of other exotic shit there too.  I don't think the speculation about the bat vector was because the horseshoe bat is local, its because the horseshoe bat (and pangolin, and other potential vectors) are part of the local wet market.  

China itself snuffed out the wet market hypothesis early into the pandemic.  Try again.  

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

How many times do we have to cite total funding for WIV was north of $200 Million from the state department, with close to seven million controlled directly by the NIH.  Again, for the fourth time, 600K was one grant.  One of many.  

Hey, China is a huge problem...we get it.  I directly referenced your '600k wasn't for copiers, bro!' message.  Yeah, it wasn't...because the NIH would blow way more than 600k on some copiers.  

[Dahobbs 17,534]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

China itself snuffed out the wet market hypothesis early into the pandemic.  Try again.  

Wait, now we are believing China? 

[Dahobbs 17,534]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Hey, China is a huge problem...we get it.  I directly referenced your '600k wasn't for copiers, bro!' message.  Yeah, it wasn't...because the NIH would blow way more than 600k on some copiers.  

600k is for the paper for the contracts to purchase the copiers. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Dahobbs

[BabaYaga 15,290]

53 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

Why Wuhan?  Why not state side?  Because we shut that shit down in 2014, and under our noses Fauci re-implemented it in Wuhan.  We wouldn't have even known about it had the two cables in 2018 came to light about the lax protocols.  And of course Trump implemented in 2017 the Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework that implemented a requirement for risk-benefit review of GoF research of concerns......BUT, it requires those specialists with the background in the GIOF research to flag the various submissions.  We already know the conflict of interest steps taken by Daszak and the other scientists that "verified" a lab leak was impossible and the media and big tech ran with it.  

[BabaYaga 15,290]

3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Hey, China is a huge problem...we get it.  I directly referenced your '600k wasn't for copiers, bro!' message.  Yeah, it wasn't...because the NIH would blow way more than 600k on some copiers.  

I'm just saying there were hundreds of millions at play, nut hundreds of thousands tied to this particular lab.  Everyone is so centered on a single 600K grant, as is that one grant funded the whole operation.  

[BabaYaga 15,290]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Wait, now we are believing China? 

You think you have a point,  You really don't.  China's wet markets are a HUGE source of commerce in tens of millions of locations across the country (and the entire continent).  Dispelling fears of people visiting them would be akin to quelling fears in the US of all grocery stores and gas stations.  It would crippled entire swaths of the country.  Try harder.  It was communicated internally, and people got wind of it and posted the notices.  

[BabaYaga 15,290]

28 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

No doubt - I mentioned it upthread.  There's a lot of scientists stateside who take NIH funding then also directly or indirectly take money from China as well - there was a huge crackdown on this going on even before C19.  At least now the plausible deniability part is thrown out the window for most scientists playing this game...

And all NIH grant money for GOF goes through a single guy.....wasn't it Collins to admitted we were funding the Wuhan lab.  Fauci tries to claim is "not" GOF, but lab reports citing they ran tens of thousands of cycles of the virus through human lung tissue in mice to "advance" the receptors.  So Fauci's trying the Bill Clinton defense of semantics and meaning.  They could have flagged this early, especially back in 2018 when the warnings came, and pulled out.  But to bring back up his quote from 2012:  The research was too important, even if it meant there would be an outbreak.

[Homercles 10,205]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Legit LOL, 600K!?!?!

https://grants.nih.gov/grants/funding/funding_program.htm

You don't even need advance permission for up to 500k. If they're shady about funding you'll see some number right up to 499k.  Not 600k.  Also my dumb ass - an OU grad, got several hundred grand approved for some project between my graduation and starting med school.  I literally have no idea wtf it was even for.  That's how pathetic 600k is in this game. 

 

We are talking NIH research dollars.  That's big league.  600k gets you very little in the way of research.  Also you keep approaching this as if it's amazing a coronavirus is being studied.  Bacteria and viruses are studied all the god damn time - you act like studying them is nefarious.  Basically all cold viruses are types of coronavirus.  I actually read your posts to some pathologists here at the hospital and we had a good laugh...post more. 

Well...how you would know anything about that

 

[washparkhorn 9,939]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Why Wuhan?  Why not state side? 

Regulatory arbitrage - serious answer. 

[Anastasis 23,469]

Goddamnit. *Oversight. 

[Brisketexan 105,095]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

It is for me.

But we can't agree on obvious stuff any more, because Slocum's razor and whatnot.

[UpperWestside 6,163]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Some of y'all are a bunch of assholes.

Fauci did everything he, a 79-year-old man, could to stop a pandemic despite the irrational, capricious response to it by his boss, whom he did not want to be seen as undermining.   A few meaningless emails. Nothing of substance.  And, as said, 600k is a pittance. 

I cannot even get outraged about Babayaga's grievances with a man he never knew existed before this pandemic. This is fluff and distraction away from the response of an administration that was so slow-moving in their response that over 600,000 Americans have perished from COVID. The most advanced country the world has ever seen also is lapping the world in deaths from this disease. To be blaming a man that he did not know existed is peak GQP grievance. I honestly just feel bad for these folks who continue to live in an alternate reality that they cannot seem to break away from.

[jimmyjazz 45,899]

2 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I cannot even get outraged about Babayaga's grievances with a man he never knew existed before this pandemic. This is fluff and distraction away from the response of an administration that was so slow-moving in their response that over 600,000 Americans have perished from COVID. 

Oh, let's not ignore the other half of the story:  diminishing January 6, 2021.

Give them something to rage about and they will drown out all other discussion . . . and we keep falling for it.

[TwiceHorn 31,451]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Take GOF testing and Fauci out of the equation completely for a second.

There are reports of lax lab procedures at WIV. They were a sub grantee under EcoHealth. There are certain oversite obligations associated with these grants. We need an audit of EcoHealth's oversite activities of their sub grantees, and an audit of the NIH's oversite activities of EcoHealth. 

We're sending them tax payer money. 

If we can't demonstrate necessary and effective oversite of facilities and researchers in China that are taking tax payer dollars, we need to stop sending them money.

 

That should be an easy one for most of us to agree upon. 

I don't disagree with that.  It's not a super-high priority at this point, but it should be looked at along with everything else.

But BY is taking a bunch of circumstantial evidence and tying it all together to make Fauci a mad, evil scientist.

I might be more accepting of that outside the current environment of conspiracy theories.

And, if you google Fauci and email or Wuhan (or ddg it to be precise), you get metric fucktons of whacked out right wing sites parroting and repeating the same shit. To the point that it's difficult to find a neutralish or non-editorial reportage of any aspect of it.  That is always a bad sign.

Wuhan doesn't have a monopoly on lax procedures.  You know who else did?  USAMRIID.

Edited June 7, 2021 by TwiceHorn