College Football in 2020 in danger?

[kopp0e 1135]

Welp, either SEC is looking to beat the curve, or have immunity by September kickoffs..?

[kopp0e 1135]

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh, what could be deemed as a "contract"..?

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Ohio State doesn’t give a…

The school recently asked players and parents to sign a coronavirus risk waiver before they came back to campus for workouts. It’s known as the “Buckeye Pledge,” according to a report from ESPN.

The “pledge” is to “help stop the spread of the COVID-19,” while also asking players to take ownership that “I may be exposed to COVID-19 and other infections.”

However, failure to comply with the pledge and all the rules and regulations that come along with it could lead to a player losing out on “athletic participation privileges,” though it would not affect their scholarship.

 

 

 

As you can guess, all the players signed it. As if they ever had a choice.

Workplace power dynamics can be tricky, especially since this isn’t a contract. Or is it?

https://deadspin.com/osu-is-in-full-on-cya-mode-1844043864?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=deadspin_twitter

 

 

[Goodman 3273]

3 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh, what could be deemed as a "contract"..?

 

Let's see the media outrage...maybe it'll head to the sec with koppoe post....yeah, not going to happen.

[Deej 76794]

23 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh, what could be deemed as a "contract"..?

 

Ohio State doesn’t give a…

The school recently asked players and parents to sign a coronavirus risk waiver before they came back to campus for workouts. It’s known as the “Buckeye Pledge,” according to a report from ESPN.

The “pledge” is to “help stop the spread of the COVID-19,” while also asking players to take ownership that “I may be exposed to COVID-19 and other infections.”

However, failure to comply with the pledge and all the rules and regulations that come along with it could lead to a player losing out on “athletic participation privileges,” though it would not affect their scholarship.

     

As you can guess, all the players signed it. As if they ever had a choice.

Workplace power dynamics can be tricky, especially since this isn’t a contract. Or is it?

https://deadspin.com/osu-is-in-full-on-cya-mode-1844043864?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=deadspin_twitter

 

 

What’s the matter with you Floyd ? Quarterbacks don’t have to do what their coaches say?

[wood 11225]

12 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

 What’s the matter with you Floyd ? Quarterbacks don’t have to do what their coaches say?

 

[wood 11225]

Good ol' Bedichek ...

Edited June 16, 2020 by wood

[Js1 85338]

14 hours ago, kopp0e said:

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh, what could be deemed as a "contract"..?

 

Contract?

It's basically a liability waiver so the school isn't responsible for anything related to a S-A getting COVID.  When it's conditional for your playing time, it's more of holding a gun to their head.  

[Don Johnson 4753]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dangers-of-football-returning-from-coronavirus-11592222486?emailToken=eb5afaeb01831752d1900fa99dd890b0J2l4rdO/mvYKzbKs5A5TpBzt6DJ1j2WyFUulYBTpCp6a8/iQpMSUR71jFDKXiV9uBTrduEVYWaL+ougKXJxpb+tmYDfBhoXhZ3P4Wf+43Ho%3D&reflink=article_email_share

 

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They’re young. They’re strong. They’re fast.

Football players are some of the best athletes in the world. They could also face outsize risk as they return to play in the middle of this pandemic.

The dangers come because of the nature of the sport itself and the players it features. Football is incompatible with social distancing. It also relies on a large share of people, despite their relatively young ages, who could face a disproportionate risk of severe complications from the coronavirus. According to the NFL Players Association’s ongoing research, more than 70% of NFL players fall into a serious, at-risk category, such as being African-American or having a high body-mass index.

Football is the country’s most popular sport—the richest one at the professional level and the one that drives budgets in high school and college—and it also faces the most complexities for a return to action.

“It will be more difficult for football than a few other sports,” said Saad Omer, an epidemiologist and the director of the Yale Institute for Global Health.

While the pandemic shut down other sports across the country in March, football has had the benefit of waiting and planning. Teams from the high school level through the NFL were still months away from even their preseasons. The sport’s leaders could wait while they watched the infection curve, and develop protocols to play without missing months of their seasons.

Now, those plans are coming into focus. The NFL and NFL Players Association, last week, released its first set of guidelines for players coming back to team facilities. The steps include overhauled workouts and meetings, daily screenings and prepackaged meals in lieu of buffets, according to memos reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

And those same protocols are already receiving pushback: Ravens coach John Harbaugh said last week in a radio interview that they’re “humanly impossible.” Even before NFL players have been allowed to return to team facilities, multiple players on the Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans have tested positive for the virus, according to NFL.com.

At the college level, even though many football teams at the nation’s top conferences don’t kick off voluntary workouts until this week, earlier starts have resulted in about 30 athletes at a dozen schools—including at Alabama, Iowa State and Mississippi—testing positive for Covid-19. That led to quarantines and signaled how thorny it could be for teams so large to keep operating. It also could undercount the numbers, since some athletic departments aren’t disclosing test results due to privacy concerns.

But while NFL teams and the biggest college programs can afford rigorous testing and dramatic infrastructure projects, the same may not be true for the vast majority of people who play football—at the high-school level or younger.

And at every level, from the youth through the pros, little can be done to change the risks that are inherent to the sport and the people who play it.

“It’s impossible to maintain 6 feet of space when you’re playing football,” said Dr. Allen Sills, the NFL’s chief medical officer. “At the same time, there are many things you can do to mitigate risk off the field.”

One of the primary hazards: the demographics of the people who play football.

Although data show that older members of the population carry much higher risk of dying if they contract the virus, football players face additional complications despite their young age.

Dr. Thom Mayer, the chief doctor for the NFL Players Association, rattled off a number of potential factors: the high incidence of complications among African-Americans, people with high body-mass indices and others with sleep apnea. “You just described a huge chunk of the NFL players,” he added.

In an April study of 5,700 hospitalized Covid-19 patients in the New York City area, the top comorbidities were obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes. Of those who were hospitalized, 41.7 percent were obese, defined as people with a body-mass index over 30. Many NFL players would fall into that category—offensive linemen, for example, routinely weigh upwards of 300 pounds.

More broadly, African-Americans make up 46% of the players in college football’s five top conferences and more than half of the players in the NFL. Data from cities across the country has shown that black people in the U.S. have been hit especially hard by the virus, dying at a rate that’s nearly twice their share of the population. Possible explanations have included pre-existing conditions and socioeconomic factors stemming from systemic inequality.

“We’re interested in things that disproportionately affect athletes,” said Dr. Peter Haaland, a doctor on the NFL Players Association’s coronavirus task force.

There are also the risks from the game and training. The sport involves people tackling one another. Locker rooms can be cramped. Pro and college training facilities traditionally feature communal dining areas and weight rooms.

Where possible, the NFL’s protocols call to upend almost all of that. Beyond wearing masks indoors, the guidelines call for spread-out lockers, only 15 people in the weight room at a time and no in-person meetings larger than 20. Still, NFL rosters are larger than every other major sport and even the most palatial facilities will struggle to separate every locker by 6 feet. Then there are the smaller facilities and visiting locker rooms, which were often cramped even before social distancing.

Sills, the NFL’s chief doctor, says there’s a significant number of unknowns when it comes to the virus but that the league’s goal is prevention, early detection and a very aggressive surveillance program. The protocols include contact tracing for anyone who tests positive and daily screenings.

Those exhaustive and expensive changes may be more difficult at lower levels of the sport, which aren’t billion-dollar behemoths like the NFL. And there is extra pressure on college and even high school football to go on as planned: Both rely on the sport’s revenues to buoy entire athletic departments.

The NCAA has published “considerations” outlining how athletic departments might return from coronavirus shutdowns but isn’t policing how they do it. So schools are left to do it themselves.

In a recent Congressional hearing with college presidents, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a member of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, asked Purdue University President Mitchell Daniels what would happen if one of the school’s teams had an outbreak. “What’s your protocol?” Murphy asked. “Do you shut that team down?”

Daniels replied: “I think you would shut it down.”

Elijah Wade, a UCLA student who left the football team after suffering an injury last season, was elected to the school’s student government earlier this spring to make sure athletes have a voice about and protection from coronavirus. Without the same backing of a union like NFL players have, Wade wants assurances such as athletes having representation on coronavirus-related task forces, having third-party oversight of athletes’ return to play and athletes having a way to report concerns without retribution.

“There currently is no way for student-athletes to ensure that they’re being protected,” said Wade, who noted that officials at some schools had mishandled player concussions in the past. “They don’t trust the trainers. They don’t trust the doctors. They don’t trust the athletic department.”

High-school football carries its own risks and stresses. The same things NFL teams will be required to do and that big college programs can afford to do—such as disinfecting artificial turf fields, remodeling locker rooms and relying on jumbo-sized equipment staffs to constantly sanitize everything in sight—may be financially unfeasible.

The risk of young people dying of Covid-19 is low, said Dr. Mick Koester, chairman of the sports medicine advisory committee for the National Federation of State High School Associations. But, Dr. Koester said, “I’m more concerned about them getting it and then spreading it to Grandma and Grandpa. We also certainly have concern for coaches and officials as well.”

Dr. Koester added that, just like in college, high-school football is a high revenue sport that drives the financials for state associations.

“Although we certainly don’t want to make our decisions based on those things,” he said, “that’s certainly staring us in the face.”

 

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by Don Johnson

[Eskimohorn 5635]

Ohio St and SEC clearly can gain a competitive advantage because they’ve proven they give no fucks. I doubt their players will pretend to play school, because that opens them up to exposure. This season will be a shitshow, since there wont be a standard for safety protocols.

But better than nothing

[Don Johnson 4753]

On 6/15/2020 at 8:32 PM, kopp0e said:

Welp, either SEC is looking to beat the curve, or have immunity by September kickoffs..?

If we are being honest, there's a lot more blue (falling) than there is red in SEC country.

[4th&Five 41554]

We have the first cancellation. 

 

[South Austin 52509]

13 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

We have the first cancellation. 

 

[Valmy77 13226]

I have been wondering if our game at LSU will be in a silent stadium. That would be weird as hell.

But I guess we should be happy if we even get to have that game.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

37 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

We have the first cancellation. 

 

I before E  except after C motherfuckers!

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

33 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

I before E  except after C motherfuckers!

Listen neighbor, you seem to be a little ancient in your thinking.  Come down from your great height and seize the day,  Let the weight of the world off your shoulders.

Edited June 17, 2020 by NeverMarryAStripper

[SimkinsMan 4387]

I'd bet against fans at games, at least in any kind of large numbers. And there's still a reasonable chance the CFB season is moved until the spring of 2021. This problem is not "going away," it's getting worse. 

 

 

 

 

[South Austin 52509]

35 minutes ago, SimkinsMan said:

And there's still a reasonable chance the CFB season is moved until the spring of 2021.

I don't see that happening if we also expect the 2021 season to proceed with its normal schedule in Fall 2021.  That would mean two seasons, with all the weekly practice, conditioning, and game preparation, in one calendar year.  Even if each season reduces the total number of games, it's a lot to put on those players, both physically and with respect to balancing their course work (insert laughter).

[gmr548 16580]

I have been wondering if our game at LSU will be in a silent stadium. That would be weird as hell.
But I guess we should be happy if we even get to have that game.

Speaking purely as a fan, I'd honestly rather see it canceled and moved to ten years or however long down the line it is we have nonconference openings. We have a contract, it'll get played eventually. It's not now or never. It's the kind of game that deserves a full house and all that goes with it - tailgating, road trip, etc.

As a fan wouldn't really care that much about playing 10 of the 12 games on the schedule with no fans for one year. LSU and OU would fucking suck without fans, or with half full stadia.

[927 E. 41st 1124]

It almost seems like the unstoppable force against the immovable wall. The money they will lose by not having a season is about the only thing driving them forward (but it's a powerful force). Then you have the $'s they will lose  if they get their collective butts sued off by spreading a known pathogen and killing some folks.

I still can't wait to see how they will handle the Club/Suite/VIP situation. I don't know about the rest of them, but the Centennial Suite is connected to the HVAC on the 8th level. One sick guy in there and you could wipe out a large chunk of our "donations".

[South Austin 52509]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

As a fan wouldn't really care that much about playing 10 of the 12 games on the schedule with no fans for one year. LSU and OU would fucking suck without fans, or with half full stadia.

Is the Roman Colosseum your favorite of all the stadia?

[gmr548 16580]

Is the Roman Colosseum your favorite of all the stadia?

Idk, I know the capacity isn't the same, but it's hard to beat the setting of Delphi. The Husky Stadium of antiquity.

[MirrOlure 14780]

http://dallas.eater.com/2020/6/16/21293082/state-fair-of-texas-2020-shugs-bagels-open-teso-life-carrollton-open

 

No clue how to imbed a tweet in Tapatalk.

 

Anyway....State Fair plans to open

[927 E. 41st 1124]

Well, safety and cleanliness have always been hallmarks of the State Fair... right?

[ousux 5597]

Meanwhile, Ohio State wants players to sigh, what could be deemed as a "contract"..?

 

Ohio State doesn’t give a…

The school recently asked players and parents to sign a coronavirus risk waiver before they came back to campus for workouts. It’s known as the “Buckeye Pledge,” according to a report from ESPN.

The “pledge” is to “help stop the spread of the COVID-19,” while also asking players to take ownership that “I may be exposed to COVID-19 and other infections.”

However, failure to comply with the pledge and all the rules and regulations that come along with it could lead to a player losing out on “athletic participation privileges,” though it would not affect their scholarship.

     

As you can guess, all the players signed it. As if they ever had a choice.

Workplace power dynamics can be tricky, especially since this isn’t a contract. Or is it?

https://deadspin.com/osu-is-in-full-on-cya-mode-1844043864?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=deadspin_twitter

 

 
Thats only wrong if they didnt include an out for players to keep their scholly even if they dont attend practice, meetings or play a down of football. If thats an option, nothing wrong with that. Our players will likely have to sign something similar

[gmr548 16580]

Well, safety and cleanliness have always been hallmarks of the State Fair... right?

In high school (~10 years ago) a friend of mine worked a corn dog booth as a fundraiser for the drill team. Apparently at the end of the night, standard procedure is to strip all the breading from unsold corn dogs and fry them again the next day.

[Extra Anejo 99]

8 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

15 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Well, safety and cleanliness have always been hallmarks of the State Fair... right?

In high school (~10 years ago) a friend of mine worked a corn dog booth as a fundraiser for the drill team. Apparently at the end of the night, standard procedure is to strip all the breading from unsold corn dogs and fry them again the next day.

Well, its only the lunch crowd that gets the leftovers.

[Pasken 1309]

 

[Your Mom 4806]

24 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

15 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Well, safety and cleanliness have always been hallmarks of the State Fair... right?

In high school (~10 years ago) a friend of mine worked a corn dog booth as a fundraiser for the drill team. Apparently at the end of the night, standard procedure is to strip all the breading from unsold corn dogs and fry them again the next day.

This is the lamest story involving a bunch of weiners and a drill team  I've ever heard.

[Cairn Horn88 8264]

10 minutes ago, Pasken said:

 

The Texas athletic department announced Thursday that 13 new football players have tested positive or are presumed positive for COVID-19, while 10 more are asymptomatic and in self-quarantine.

This is on top of the two positive cases that Texas reported last week, bring the number to 15 total Longhorns that have been diagnosed with the coronavirus.

In a statement from team physician Allen Hardin, Texas announced that the 13 who tested positive are now self-isolating. The other 10 were identified through contract tracing. Also, UT also said four more players have tested positive for the COVID-19 antibody.

[NorthLoop 14205]

In other news, 10 + 13 is apparently now 15

[Valmy77 13226]

Damn. That is about a quarter of the team isn't it?

[SunUvAbitchMarcos 129]

I think it's better than even we don't have a season thanks to Gov Cripple


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[drt 638]

6 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Damn. That is about a quarter of the team isn't it?

85 + walkons, so no

Realistically though, colleges, schools and daycares are breeding grounds for communal diseases.  This was always going to make the rounds at some point.

Edit: I see you might have been 13 positive plus 10 quarantine...so yeah I'm not so good at math/reading

Edited June 18, 2020 by drt
dumb

[NorthLoop 14205]

So what if they all get it before August, and we end up being the only immune team left. Natty! 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

I was told Lincoln Riley asked to move the start of practice back to gain an unfair advantage vs UT and Baylor to win this awesome incredibly difficult conference.  I guess the virus isn’t some hoax...

[Cairn Horn88 8264]

8 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

So what if they all get it before August, and we end up being the only immune team left. Natty! 

But...if a player has it...can they still actually work out...or do they have to be isolated and not working out?  That's not good..

[utee94 15823]

7 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

So what if they all get it before August, and we end up being the only immune team left. Natty! 

Ha!  Maybe Herman really IS a MENSA genius!

But no, not really.  This same thing will play out at universities all over the country.

[Burt Macklin 19024]

3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I was told Lincoln Riley asked to move the start of practice back to gain an unfair advantage vs UT and Baylor to win this awesome incredibly difficult conference.  I guess the virus isn’t some hoax...

Hey now, you neglected to mention who told you that, which is probably the most important detail about your post. 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 minute ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

But...if a player has it...can they still actually work out...or do they have to be isolated and not working out?  That's not good..

If you feel fine you can exercise and workout as long as you’re isolated - not easy but no restriction.  

[Pasken 1309]

11 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

So what if they all get it before August, and we end up being the only immune team left. Natty! 

You’re not immune from covid once you get it. How do people still think this in June.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

Hey now, you neglected to mention who told you that, which is probably the most important detail about your post. 

Lol, I don’t remember - But I do remember you all told me it was the village idiot.  

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

2 minutes ago, Pasken said:

You’re not immune from covid once you get it. How do people still think this in June.

Yeah you are.   Our doctors/nurses exposed that tested positive never got it again after hundreds of exposures.  It’s very rare to get it again - if at all.  Likely shoddy testing on those that think they got it twice.  
 

edit:  also after hundreds of our nursing home patients tested every week...0.5% got it twice.  Zero of those had symptoms both times but we did isolate them again per protocols.  

Edited June 18, 2020 by ChiTownDoc

[utee94 15823]

4 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

But...if a player has it...can they still actually work out...or do they have to be isolated and not working out?  That's not good..

If a player is asymptomatic and feeling fine, then I'm not sure there'd be any reason not to work out?  They'd have to do it in quarantine of course.

[NorthLoop 14205]

3 minutes ago, Pasken said:

You’re not immune from covid once you get it. How do people still think this in June.

I bet you can count to potato all by yourself. 

[drt 638]

3 minutes ago, Pasken said:

You’re not immune from covid once you get it. How do people still think this in June.

Serious question, why do you believe this coronavirus is different than others?  Only evidence that points the way you're positioning is not robust and hasn't been replicated.

[W0244 Jester 104]

11 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah you are.   Our doctors/nurses exposed that tested positive never got it again after hundreds of exposures.  It’s very rare to get it again - if at all.  Likely shoddy testing on those that think they got it twice.  
 

edit:  also after hundreds of our nursing home patients tested every week...0.5% got it twice.  Zero of those had symptoms both times but we did isolate them again per protocols.  

You have no idea.  
 

USS Theodore Roosevelt had multiple sailors get it twice.  South Korea is seeing reinfections in people.  
 

There is no evidence of herd immunity.   This virus doesn’t behave like others. 
 

You geniuses need to read something besides Surly once in a while.  

[SHOOTER12 8810]

17 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Hey now, you neglected to mention who told you that, which is probably the most important detail about your post. 

~~~~~~The Ghost of T-Boone~~~~~~

[SHOOTER12 8810]

17 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Hey now, you neglected to mention who told you that, which is probably the most important detail about your post. 

~~~~~~The Ghost of T-Boone~~~~~~

[C-Man 27229]

You have no idea.  
 
USS Theodore Roosevelt had multiple sailors get it twice.  South Korea is seeing reinfections in people.  
 
There is no evidence of herd immunity.   This virus doesn’t behave like others. 
 
You geniuses need to read something besides Surly once in a while.  

Sorry, I’m gonna trust a doc (even a dirty Sooner) on the front lines over somebody who joined this site three days ago because of “The Eyes” issue.

The SK “reinfections” were largely attributed to faulty testing the first time.