College Football in 2020 in danger?

[Fletch 5800]

15 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

 

Your opinion is quite noted. This is nothing, it’s going to happen, blah blah blah.  Look at the media being fake! Can you believe these fake tweets from *checks notes* sports writers who actually cover college football for national or regional outlets?!

If it does happen, it won’t be 12 games. May not even start on time.  At least one high profile player per team will probably end up sitting out for 2 weeks. 

With our luck the last 10 years, we’ll start 5-0 and beat the shit out of LSU and OU then have the season cancelled mid October. 

[South Austin 52509]

18 minutes ago, Fletch said:

With our luck the last 10 years, we’ll start 5-0 and beat the shit out of LSU and OU then have the season cancelled mid October. 

At least we’d avoid that loss to TCU.

[Hpara759 1778]

when one of the 350 lb 'ers gets put on a vent or dies...........

[NIUHuskies 504]

42 minutes ago, Hpara759 said:

when one of the 350 lb 'ers gets put on a vent or dies...........

Depends on the skin pigmentation...

[Goodman 3273]

11 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Ok I’m not going to deny it happens but it’s still likely rare to see life long implications or else no way we’d be seeing states stay open, or opening up to see case rises with the preferred age of people now.


Much like the multisystem inflammatory syndrome with kids. It grabbed headlines(back in April or early May) we haven’t seen anything warning about it since. If it was really an issue, we wouldn’t have debates on opening schools. Remember the one and only time we “started seeing strokes” in healthy middle aged folk? Fear porn.

Staph is the worst thing i've ever seen a player go through, a teammate had it and he was pretty much gone for a few months. The season went on.

It's odd that with covid we have already set up a system for monetization but do not have definitive information that allows our brightest scientist and intellectual minds to agree. At least no one on this site is quoting Fauci as some voice of reason, he has a record that should never be trusted.

[C-Man 27229]

14 hours ago, Goodman said:

Kasey mentioned on radio today that 1 of his friends had it, it was a 24 bug. His co-host's friend experienced it as a 3 day butt flu.

Granted I'm 47 and not a highly-tuned collegiate athlete but my experience with COVID-19 was relatively mild (no fever, mild other symptoms) but there's no way I would've been able to play a football game for 3-4 weeks. I was that physically drained.

[Goodman 3273]

Just now, C-Man said:

Granted I'm 47 and not a highly-tuned collegiate athlete but my experience with COVID-19 was relatively mild (no fever, mild other symptoms) but there's no way I would've been able to play a football game for 3-4 weeks. I was that physically drained.

If they are going to cancel, I hope it's done in early August and not a last second decision. I'm just tired of half our country screaming "I told you so" at every decision, cancel or play and let's move fwd.

[C-Man 27229]

1 minute ago, Goodman said:

If they are going to cancel, I hope it's done in early August and not a last second decision. I'm just tired of half our country screaming "I told you so" at every decision, cancel or play and let's move fwd.

Even if the tea leaves are saying there's no way we can play CFB this fall, I think they'll hold out for a miracle before calling it. I guess they could move to Spring 2021 if necessary just to have a season. I have a feeling they will play the NFL no matter what -- could see them moving to some other country that's not as COVID-Y as the US if necessary.

[927 E. 41st 1124]

5 minutes ago, Goodman said:

If they are going to cancel, I hope it's done in early August and not a last second decision. I'm just tired of half our country screaming "I told you so" at every decision, cancel or play and let's move fwd.

I agree, and I'm disappointed that more folks don't understand that this is a moving target. I have to be very flexible with my decisions at work or a lot of people could get hurt or die. I really don't have time to sulk over "that's not what I was told before" when the situation is changing, sometimes by the second. But it's easy for me to forget most people don't do things like that at all, much less on a daily basis.

Edited June 21, 2020 by 927 E. 41st

[Horn Draoi 255]

3 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

I agree, and I'm disappointed that more folks don't understand that this is a moving target. I have to be very flexible with my decisions at work or a lot of people could get hurt or die. I really don't have time to sulk over "that's not what I was told before" when the situation is changing, sometimes by the second. But it's easy for me to forget most people don't do things like that at all, much less on a daily basis.

927 is quite right; the majority have no idea of the fluidity of good/bad knowledge advance and treatment/mitigation decisions in a situation such as this; I wish it were magic: it’s not.  Incidentally, the people determining open/not open don’t give a shit about people dying, it’s all about their cronies and supporters and re-election.  Don’t kid yourselves.

[Dbeasy 15051]

More and more believing they will move the season to the spring and that will cause some tough decisions for many juniors.

[Sejjr 3246]

Just another interesting fact: a friend of mine in Houston told me recently that both his teenage kids tested positive after a contact trace. All are asymptomatic, like the vast majority of teenagers. He said he knows at least 10 people who have tested positive recently in Houston. He has taken multiple tests, antibody included, and is still negative. Then one of his kids retested 3 days later and came up negative. So, the reality is, there are also many people with a "positive test" who don't have COVID. And there are probably people who do have it who tested negative. Testing is not a fucking panacea. They are not 100% accurate either. Hospitalizations and ICU info is far more important: 

ICU usage is at a new low in the US. Again, this is all positive news. 

[Kilgorehorn 308]

[atomheartbevo 89674]

46 minutes ago, Sejjr said:

ICU usage is at a new low in the US. Again, this is all positive news. 

Umm, it's the highest it's ever been in Texas.

[atomheartbevo 89674]

6 hours ago, C-Man said:

I have a feeling they will play the NFL no matter what -- could see them moving to some other country that's not as COVID-Y as the US if necessary.

Why would you want to increase the covid cases in another country?

[South Austin 52509]

12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Why would you want to increase the covid cases in another country?

Colonialism?

[hookem48 4687]

On 6/20/2020 at 9:05 PM, Al_4_ISU said:

Who are extremely well compensated and know exactly what they’re getting into.


There will be college football, but it’s going to be a shit show of players sitting being out, teams forfeiting games, and some schools not playing altogether. Essentially an analogy for 2020.

so who is going to pay the TV networks back for these forfeited games? All the tickets already purchased, who gets let in if only 50% can go? Sorry I'm late to this thread but I just don't see how the hell this is going to work.

[brakeman 28369]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Why would you want to increase the covid cases in another country?

GO REDSKINS!   I joke.

[Sejjr 3246]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Umm, it's the highest it's ever been in Texas.

Yes, Texas has experienced a spike in hospitalizations, that's true. Texas appears to be an outlier. Deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU usage Nationwide have dropped and continue to do so. 

[Valmy77 13226]

Just now, Sejjr said:

Yes, Texas has experienced a spike in hospitalizations, that's true. Texas appears to be an outlier. Deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU usage Nationwide have dropped and continue to do so. 

Lucky us.

[NoctambulantBrobdingnagian 530]

On 6/19/2020 at 12:39 AM, Reese Bennett said:

Still way too many unknowns about the long-term effects of this virus. According to this article, asymptomatic patients still had lung scarring and there is potential for infertility, among many other things. I don’t see how we can expect football this year unless we are all willing to shut down, mask up, and bend the curve to where testing, tracing, and isolation is overwhelmingly effective. So, yeah, I’m not optimistic.
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

Umm, could you repeat that? - Antonio Cromartie

[Slacks 6821]

You know what is most likely to happen to young people who get Covid at a bar or practicing football? 
Nothing. 

they will pass it on to someone else... who may not be young or healthy.

[SHOOTER12 8810]

On 6/20/2020 at 9:03 PM, Js1 said:

Aggie Hall of Covid:

Where playerss go to glory hole

Fifaggy

[SubliminalHorn 6788]

1 hour ago, Snacks said:

On 6/20/2020 at 3:13 PM, Newy25 said:

You know what is most likely to happen to young people who get Covid at a bar or practicing football? 
Nothing. 

they will pass it on to someone else... who may not be young or healthy.

First of all, Newy isn’t gonna listen. He wants his foosball and he wants it now!

there’s also reports of lung damage to even mild or asymptomatic young people. Again, he and those like him won’t listen. 

[Herpa Derpa 6126]

9 hours ago, Sejjr said:

Yes, Texas has experienced a spike in hospitalizations, that's true. Texas appears to be an outlier. Deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU usage Nationwide have dropped and continue to do so. 

As of today, 23 states are reporting a rise in new cases.  As someone who lives in North Jersey just outside of NYC and has been following the numbers since it was still in China, y'all are just getting started with this shit.  Continue to deny the reality with posts like the one above and it will be even worse.

[gmr548 16580]

Just another interesting fact: a friend of mine in Houston told me recently that both his teenage kids tested positive after a contact trace. All are asymptomatic, like the vast majority of teenagers. He said he knows at least 10 people who have tested positive recently in Houston. He has taken multiple tests, antibody included, and is still negative. Then one of his kids retested 3 days later and came up negative. So, the reality is, there are also many people with a "positive test" who don't have COVID. And there are probably people who do have it who tested negative. Testing is not a fucking panacea. They are not 100% accurate either. Hospitalizations and ICU info is far more important: 

ICU usage is at a new low in the US. Again, this is all positive news. 

Positive diagnostic tests are something like 95 percent accurate. Negatives a little less so, like 75-80 to my knowledge, but still fairly accurate. Abtibody tests are slightly better than useless.

[gmr548 16580]

so who is going to pay the TV networks back for these forfeited games? All the tickets already purchased, who gets let in if only 50% can go? Sorry I'm late to this thread but I just don't see how the hell this is going to work.

TV is why they'd probably try to move to spring. Very few programs sell half their stadium worth of season tickets. Especially in this renewal climate. Programs would likely limit capacity to season ticket holders.

[gmr548 16580]

As of today, 23 states are reporting a rise in new cases.  As someone who lives in North Jersey just outside of NYC and has been following the numbers since it was still in China, y'all are just getting started with this shit.  Continue to deny the reality with posts like the one above and it will be even worse.

This is the issue with college football. The NFL can go full bubble if it really wants to. Not happening in college football. In that sense, overall nationwide numbers don't mean much. You'd have to look at states or even more granular to see what a school/conference is really making its decision on.

[Js1 85340]

35 minutes ago, Herpa Derpa said:

As of today, 23 states are reporting a rise in new cases.  As someone who lives in North Jersey just outside of NYC and has been following the numbers since it was still in China, y'all are just getting started with this shit.  Continue to deny the reality with posts like the one above and it will be even worse.

23 whole states seems like an outlier....

/s

[Don Johnson 4753]

 

[Js1 85340]

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10236]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Notable reply:

 

[Js1 85340]

And that’s very fair 

[Eskimohorn 5635]

when one of the 350 lb 'ers gets put on a vent or dies...........

What 15,000 D1 football players and support staff, and coaches? At a 0.1% or 1/1000 death rate, which is very conservative. That’s 15 people. Let’s say only 1/3 get it. 5 people. What do you think happens with season if even one player, coach, or support staff dies?

[Dbeasy 15051]

Umm, it's the highest it's ever been in Texas.

Yes but if you look at the whole galaxy, including Pluto, the data doesn’t look that bad.

[NorthLoop 14205]

2 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

What 15,000 D1 football players and support staff, and coaches? At a 0.1% or 1/1000 death rate, which is very conservative. That’s 15 people. Let’s say only 1/3 get it. 5 people. What do you think happens with season if even one player, coach, or support staff dies?

Blame it on the club life /LSU

[RomaVicta 29908]

On 6/21/2020 at 11:30 AM, Goodman said:

If they are going to cancel, I hope it's done in early August and not a last second decision. I'm just tired of half our country screaming "I told you so" at every decision, cancel or play and let's move fwd.

Your life must be a living hell.

Edit: Actually, upon further reflection, I find my ease of irritation almost identical to yours. This is all a goddamn living hell.

Edited June 22, 2020 by RomaVicta
Circumspection. Circumcision. Circumnavigation. Whatever it takes.

[Sejjr 3246]

3 hours ago, Herpa Derpa said:

As of today, 23 states are reporting a rise in new cases.  As someone who lives in North Jersey just outside of NYC and has been following the numbers since it was still in China, y'all are just getting started with this shit.  Continue to deny the reality with posts like the one above and it will be even worse.

What the fuck are you even trying to say here? I referenced actual data. Not denying anything. This thing is still a moving target and a shit show, and we don’t know how it’s going to play out. The rise in hospitalizations in Texas is legit concerning. The rise in cases less so, as testing is happening at a much, much higher level. It’s incredible how many people want to ignore any positive information that exists. I still don’t understand why there are two “sides” to this issue. We should all want this shit to end as soon as possible. Yet you are now claiming you have expert insight from living in New Jersey and that Texas is about to turn into NJ/NY. Cool. 

I want football as much as any of us this fall. I also don’t want anyone to die because of it. All of this information is relevant, positive or negative, and will inform what is going to happen in regards to football. Stop with the fucking “COVID denier” nonsense. 

[stone oak 639]

Potential lawsuits will be plenty of reason for the NCAA to shut down football (and all fall sports). With the recent surge, I honestly don't know what they are waiting for. It'd be best to get out ahead of this and make a plan moving forward.

I'd say it's highly doubtful that college campuses will be reopening for the 2020-21 school year the way things are trending.

[Ellellelle 308]

Potential lawsuits will be plenty of reason for the NCAA to shut down football (and all fall sports). With the recent surge, I honestly don't know what they are waiting for. It'd be best to get out ahead of this and make a plan moving forward.
I'd say it's highly doubtful that college campuses will be reopening for the 2020-21 school year the way things are trending.

I work for a pac12 school and they have laid out a plan for having in person classes. These unis realize they can't justify tuition costs for subpar online classes so they're really pushing for going back. They want people back at work and students butts in seats.
Schools are in a tough position, research has come to a grinding halt, students threatening not to come back and pay tuition, no funds from sports and they're still paying for all their layers of employees.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

Academia meets real world

[drt 638]

5 minutes ago, Ellellelle said:

 

 

I work for a pac12 school and they have laid out a plan for having in person classes. These unis realize they can't justify tuition costs for subpar online classes so they're really pushing for going back. They want people back at work and students butts in seats.
Schools are in a tough position, research has come to a grinding halt, students threatening not to come back and pay tuition, no funds from sports and they're still paying for all their layers of employees.

 

When I was in grad school the lab was always deserted.  Does not compute.

[BabaYaga 15298]

18 minutes ago, Ellellelle said:

Schools are in a tough position, research has come to a grinding halt, students threatening not to come back and pay tuition, no funds from sports and they're still paying for all their layers of employees.

They are, but it's a web of their own creation.  YOY cost and expenditure models going up exponentially.  They painted themselves into a corner on the fundamental assumption that demand will continue to rise unabated.  It's going to be a painful transition to see if they scale the machine back or go down swinging.  

[Ellellelle 308]

They are, but it's a web of their own creation.  YOY cost and expenditure models going up exponentially.  They painted themselves into a corner on the fundamental assumption that demand will continue to rise unabated.  It's going to be a painful transition to see if they scale the machine back or go down swinging.  

You are completely right. I'd actually love it if this caused some shakeups.

[W0244 Jester 104]

8 hours ago, NoctambulantBrobdingnagian said:

Umm, could you repeat that? - Antonio Cromartie

Shawn Kemp and Evander Holyfield are monitoring this thread as well.  

[Bartles 769]

This is life in 2020-21, it will be dangerous. Even besides the jobs defined as essential this spring, there's not an extremely safe way to be a bartender, server, teacher, student, and the list goes on.

I think sports in general have laid out pretty good plans, though colleges have it the hardest due to the vast number of athletes and varying budgets. With pro sports, I think the athletes and staff are probably just as safe playing under their protocols than they would be living their lives back home. I'd like to think colleges can pull that off, but it's gonna be bumpy.

A lot of things are just going to have to move forward. A bunch of people like to cry "Lawsuits!" and yeah, that's a thing but you'll need a good lawyer and even then, get in line because there's like 2.5 million people who got sick and can probably argue some government or company put them at risk. If you watched "Dark Waters" you saw how difficult that slam dunk case was to pull off, and how many years it took. And the guilty company still thrives.

[BabaYaga 15298]

17 minutes ago, W0244 Jester said:

Shawn Kemp and Evander Holyfield are monitoring this thread as well.  

'Hold ma' nutz'

[bullet 1597]

30 minutes ago, Bartles said:

This is life in 2020-21, it will be dangerous. Even besides the jobs defined as essential this spring, there's not an extremely safe way to be a bartender, server, teacher, student, and the list goes on.

I think sports in general have laid out pretty good plans, though colleges have it the hardest due to the vast number of athletes and varying budgets. With pro sports, I think the athletes and staff are probably just as safe playing under their protocols than they would be living their lives back home. I'd like to think colleges can pull that off, but it's gonna be bumpy.

A lot of things are just going to have to move forward. A bunch of people like to cry "Lawsuits!" and yeah, that's a thing but you'll need a good lawyer and even then, get in line because there's like 2.5 million people who got sick and can probably argue some government or company put them at risk. If you watched "Dark Waters" you saw how difficult that slam dunk case was to pull off, and how many years it took. And the guilty company still thrives.

You always sign waivers when playing sports.  The colleges have almost certainly modified their waivers.

[Samson's Wig 3192]

15 minutes ago, bullet said:

You always sign waivers when playing sports.  The colleges have almost certainly modified their waivers.

Waivers.  Lol.  They could solve the great 2020 toilet paper crisis on their own.

[bullet 1597]

4 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

Waivers.  Lol.  They could solve the great 2020 toilet paper crisis on their own.

Keep your scholarship if you don't sign, but if you don't sign, you don't play.  Just have an "expert" design your safety procedures and follow them.