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  On 8/3/2020 at 3:02 PM, atomheartbevo said:
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Will football die off to brain damage?
This is the bigger and long-term concern.   Look to the younger ranks - plenty of parents are opting out of their kids playing football at a young age.
Fewer insurance providers are willing to insure the sport as well, and those that will still do so are charging ever higher prices. Bigger problem at lower levels but worth mentioning.
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  On 8/3/2020 at 3:02 PM, atomheartbevo said:

There's always a shit-ton of high school players ready and willing to take the place of any current players who walk out.

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I'm not so sure about that anymore. Maybe a ton, but not a shit-ton anymore. And I think that number's dropping steadily.

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  On 8/3/2020 at 3:00 PM, atomheartbevo said:
Nobody gives a shit about sitting around and watching a bunch of Johnny Manziels flame out, playing for teams that may not even be there a year from now.  Football is too expensive, because it ties too many players and resources up, versus what it could bring in.   It can't capture that atmosphere that minor league baseball does (and baseball is far cheaper).
Or to put it another way:  If the NFL could have put together a profitable farm system, we would have it already.   The XFL, NFL Europe, etc. all didn't work.  CFL is its own thing (they don't have an agreement with the NFL, last I checked).
CFB is the farm system for the NFL, both for players and coaches, and it's awesome for the NFL, because it costs them nothing, and brings in fans.
 
The latest XFL was on the path to succeed... It was interrupted by covid.

There will be a spring football league. XFL needs a few years of QB pipeline to not suck.
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  On 8/3/2020 at 4:40 PM, Snacks said:

The latest XFL was on the path to succeed... It was interrupted by covid.

There will be a spring football league. XFL needs a few years of QB pipeline to not suck.

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XFL is back at least

And as far as wrestling-linked ownership goes, The Rock is head and shoulders better than Vince.

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  On 8/3/2020 at 4:40 PM, Snacks said:

The latest XFL was on the path to succeed... It was interrupted by covid.

There will be a spring football league. XFL needs a few years of QB pipeline to not suck.

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The ratings dropped by over half pretty fast.  Even before covid, they were already planning on relocating three teams.  It filed for bankruptcy on April 13, a month after pausing for covid, and ESPN was trying to cut ties with them, and saying they'd only broadcast games, but were not willing to own anything.  Dwayne Johnson and Co. bought it for $15 million.

These things do not inspire confidence.

It's going to go the way of the NBA development league or whatever it's calling itself now - like the NBA, pro football has to compete with a very healthy college market.  

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  On 8/3/2020 at 3:02 PM, atomheartbevo said:
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Will football die off to brain damage?
This is the bigger and long-term concern.   Look to the younger ranks - plenty of parents are opting out of their kids playing football at a young age.
Take away the school part and chance of getting a degree, even less parents let their kids play football..
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  On 8/3/2020 at 3:02 PM, atomheartbevo said:
There's always a shit-ton of high school players ready and willing to take the place of any current players who walk out.
It's been that way for a long time and still is today, but will it always?

I'm not so sure about that, at least not unless fundamental changes are made that simply makes CFB flag football with star athetes...who may no longer be stars if people arent interested in a game that barely resembles what they once loved.
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  On 8/3/2020 at 12:02 PM, JFKFC said:

Where are my prayer warriors?!? Prayer can fix college football and the coronavirus, just like it solved gun violence and school shootings. Also, while you are praying, can you mix in a request for a couple of UCLA Asian-coeds for me? 

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  On 8/3/2020 at 7:46 PM, atomheartbevo said:
The ratings dropped by over half pretty fast.  Even before covid, they were already planning on relocating three teams.  It filed for bankruptcy on April 13, a month after pausing for covid, and ESPN was trying to cut ties with them, and saying they'd only broadcast games, but were not willing to own anything.  Dwayne Johnson and Co. bought it for $15 million.
These things do not inspire confidence.
It's going to go the way of the NBA development league or whatever it's calling itself now - like the NBA, pro football has to compete with a very healthy college market.  


The NBA G league looks a lot different than it did five years ago, as almost every team has a direct affiliate now. And it'll probably look way different in five years with the G leauge now offering top prospects $120k for a year before being draft eligible. The NBA is starting to use it as a farm system first, profit center second. Probably because the development of college players is garbage. One of the consensus top 2021 prospects has already signed on so there is obviously some appeal.

NBA needs to adopt the baseball rule, IMO. Three years if you sign with a college, draft eligible otherwise.
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  On 8/3/2020 at 4:40 PM, Snacks said:

 If the NFL could have put together a profitable farm system, we would have it already.   The XFL, NFL Europe, etc. all didn't work.  CFL is its own thing (they don't have an agreement with the NFL, last I checked).
CFB is the farm system for the NFL, both for players and coaches, and it's awesome for the NFL, because it costs them nothing, and brings in fans.

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Why the fuck would the NFL spend resources building out a farm league when a free version exists, and has existed for many decades before the NFL even existed.

The NFL and CFB absolutely have an "agreement." If they didn't the NFL would play games on Saturday throughout the regular season. CFB does not want the NFL to have a devvy league to poach their talent, and the NFL is 100% cool with that arrangement. Again, free farm system.

IF College Football implodes due to all of this shit, and the massive pool of free talent diminishes, the NFL would be idiotic NOT to start a devvy league. It would be IMG Academy on steroids (errr....on even stronger steroids) and yes, people would go watch these games. It would suck and be massively depressing to see this happen, of course. And I don't think it will happen. But there is a scenario that exists where that could be a possibility in due time.

 

 

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  On 8/3/2020 at 10:27 PM, Sejjr said:

Why the fuck would the NFL spend resources building out a farm league when a free version exists, and has existed for many decades before the NFL even existed.

The NFL and CFB absolutely have an "agreement." If they didn't the NFL would play games on Saturday throughout the regular season. CFB does not want the NFL to have a devvy league to poach their talent, and the NFL is 100% cool with that arrangement. Again, free farm system.

IF College Football implodes due to all of this shit, and the massive pool of free talent diminishes, the NFL would be idiotic NOT to start a devvy league. It would be IMG Academy on steroids (errr....on even stronger steroids) and yes, people would go watch these games. It would suck and be massively depressing to see this happen, of course. And I don't think it will happen. But there is a scenario that exists where that could be a possibility in due time.

 

 

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An NFL developmental league would never be as big as college football is now.  An NFL developmental league would greatly diminish college football, but it might be better off in the long run.

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https://www.theringer.com/2020/8/3/21349611/season-schedule-power-five-conferences-college-football-playoff

 

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College football is a lot of things. It’s the packed stands on a frigid afternoon in the upper Midwest at a rivalry game that’s been played since before the invention of radio. It’s the empty bleachers on a 90-degree day in the Bahamas at a bowl game that was created a few years ago to fill a television slot. A college football Saturday starts at noon Eastern and ends at about 4 a.m. on Sunday morning, when a Hawai’i game wraps up in the middle of the Pacific. There’s a team at a Mormon school and teams at Catholic schools; there are teams for future military members in the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard; there are conferences for historically Black schools; there’s a team for deaf players. (They invented the huddle.) College football is a melting pot that produces gumbo at an LSU tailgate and fondue at the Harvard-Yale game. If you’re American, there’s probably at least some part of this sport that’s for you.

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College football is a lot of things, and that makes it easy to romanticize. But the sport’s size and diversity means that the schools involved have more differences than they do similarities. College football is Ohio State, a powerhouse that perennially competes for national championships and sends players to the NFL. College football is also Ohio, a team from the Mid-American Conference that needs the paychecks it receives for playing schools like Ohio State to break even. College football is any of 21 Division III teams in the state of Ohio, which don’t give players scholarships and are able to survive primarily because the athletes pay tuition. According to a 2016 report from the Department of Education, Ohio State generated close to $100 million from football, Ohio made around $10 million, and the D-III schools in Ohio didn’t break $1 million. College football is a lot like Canis Familiaris, the species name for dogs—all dogs, the ones that are 200 pounds and the ones you can hold in your palm. A Great Dane would starve if it was fed a Yorkie’s diet; a Yorkie would die if it tried to give birth to a Great Dane. Somewhere along the line, though, they all descended from friendly wolves, so we say that they’re part of the same species. Similarly, because all college football descended from students playing rugby against each other in the 1860s, we consider Ohio State, Ohio, and the Division III schools in the state to be parts of the same college football system.

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What exactly is the incentive for schools to give into these demands? Athletes are free to come and go thanks to the transfer portal so it's not as if a HS senior is really committing to a 4 year stay at a program. Smaller programs like Washington State, Texas A&M, and Northern Illinois may be hurt by that but big names like Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State? Sometimes when you negotiate the other party calls your bluff. Does the university really want to give half of its revenue to the athletes? I don't think so.

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  On 8/4/2020 at 12:45 PM, Hurtlocker said:

This has "massive lawsuit" written all over it

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Well, sure, this is just about the most litigious country on Earth, but as long as the scholarship is honored, I'm not sure the plaintiffs have a great case to force a coach to keep them on the team if he doesn't want them. I'm interested in seeing how they (specifically, they/their legal representation) argue it. 

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  On 8/4/2020 at 1:29 PM, SwanderedTalent said:
Well, sure, this is just about the most litigious country on Earth, but as long as the scholarship is honored, I'm not sure the plaintiffs have a great case to force a coach to keep them on the team if he doesn't want them. I'm interested in seeing how they (specifically, they/their legal representation) argue it. 
Username kinda sorta maybe checks out
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  On 8/4/2020 at 12:45 PM, Hurtlocker said:

This has "massive lawsuit" written all over it

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If he is still on scholarship how is he actually harmed? i would imagine they would have a hard time proving he has a "right" to be on the team. 

I don't think you should be playing football for a program and be unhappy about it, but there are a number of resolutions to that problem. If you make demands and "overplay your hand" then you will get to explore those other options. IMO the Pac-12 guys demanding 50% of revenue be spent the way they want is just such an overreach. 

I've tried to go way too far on at least two business deals and got my ass handed to me both times. YMMV.

 

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Not saying its a winning lawsuit, but its terrible optics.   Also, I'm pretty sure the entire movement is above the paygrade of the football coach and would be with the admin.   So either we'll see the WSU PR machine start backing the truck up, or this came from above, which then gets into a students rights issue, not a football player issue.

Here's the full transcript.   His stance on Covid and not participating with the team makes sense, probably should have stopped right there.

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Washington State WR Kassidy Woods called head coach Nick Rolovich on Saturday to inform him that Woods would be opting out of the season. The two then discussed the PAC-12 unity movement, which was published in The Players’ Tribune on Sunday.

Woods was a former WR at Greenhill High School in D-FW.

Washington State spokesperson Bill Stephens told The Dallas Morning News that he hasn’t been cut and never was cut from the roster.

“He is a member of our football roster,” Stephens said.

The drama started on Sunday afternoon when Woods’ mother, Jerline Woods, tweeted that he’d been cut from the roster.

Kassidy Woods spoke with The News on Sunday evening and suggested his time at Washington State was possibly over.

“The damage has already been done,” Woods said. “Shoot, that’s all I’ve got to say about it. If had shown me they wanted me to stay, they wouldn’t have done all this. So, I’m not the problem here. I didn’t create the problem. They did.”

Woods said he is unsure if he will still have a scholarship beyond this year. Woods, co-founder of the Black Student Athlete Association at the school, also said he spoke with Cougars athletic director Pat Chun. Woods said Chun supported Rolovich’s decision.

He was a leader at the school previously, and had a relationship with Chun. Up until a couple days ago, Woods thought he’d spend his whole collegiate career with Washington State.

“I loved WSU,” Woods said. “It’s a great place. I have built my platform here ... I never intended for things to lead this direction. I’ve been [nothing] but a service to this school.”

Woods shared an audio of his conversation with Rolovich with The Dallas Morning News. Here’s a full transcript.

FULL TRANSCRIPT:

Woods: What’s up, coach?

Rolovich: Kass, how you doing?

Woods: I’m doing good.

Rolovich: Sup?

Woods: I just wanted to inform you that I would be opting out of playing in the season. I just wanted to give you a heads up, so you won’t be caught blindsided by it. But the reasoning behind it is just, you know with concerns with my health. Because -- I’m pretty sure you probably don’t know, but first and foremost, I have Sickle Cell. So and like with all this COVID stuff, it affects the respiratory system. And really, we really, really don’t know much about the virus within itself. So I just don’t -- I feel like there’s not enough in place for me to be safe, you know, and for sure that I would be able to play. So that’s the main reason why I’m opting out.

Rolovich: I got nothing wrong with that. That’s why I told you guys, this shit, this part, I don’t care. Now are you gonna be joining this PAC-12 football unity movement? Is that what it is?

Woods: Yessir, mhm.

Rolovich: OK so that’s going to be, that’s gonna be an issue if you align with them as far as future stuff, cause the COVID stuff is one thing. But, um, joining this group is gonna put you on a, on a — that’s obviously, you know, you get to keep your scholarship this year, but it — it’s gonna be different. You know, if you, if you say, ‘I’m opting out ‘cause of COVID and health and safety,’ I’m good. But this group is gonna change, uh, I guess, how things go in the future for everybody, at least at our school. Um, so just think about that is, if it’s about getting paid and not (inaudible) about racial justice and that stuff. Then it’s probably, it’s there’s two sides, there’s two sides here. I’m good with the Sickle Cell and the COVID, and but this, this group is gonna be at a different level as far as how we’re kind of going to move forward in the future. Does that make sense?

Woods: Yes sir.

Rolovich: OK so it’s not, you know, there’s one way we’ll handle it if it’s COVID-related. And then there’s one way we’re going to handle it if it’s joining this group. So I appreciate you letting me know. And I was going to address this tomorrow night at the Zoom.

Woods: OK I got you.

Rolovich: So, um, no I appreciate you telling me and I’ve got nothing wrong with that.

Woods: Yes sir.

Rolovich: Are you gonna go home?

Woods: No I’m not gonna go home. I was just, you know, informing you that I would be opting out for the season. I mean, I’m still gonna do workouts and stuff. It’s just, I don’t feel comfortable traveling, and doing all that.

Rolovich: Yeah, but I don’t think you’re gonna be with the team this year. You know what I’m saying?

Woods: OK.

Rolovich: I can’t -- I don’t, I don’t think that’s a good look for everybody. This guy’s still working out with us, but he’s not playing. So, um, it sends too much of a mixed message moving forward, so.

Woods: If I may ask, how does it send a mixed message?

Rolovich: Uh, because, you’re really playing this year for the team. You know what I mean? And you have your reasons and I’m fine with that, but I don’t think you being included in everything we’re doing is gonna be, uhh, how we want to move forward. We kind of want to be one team in that. So [inaudible]. … It’ll be — we’ll have to alleviate, you’ll probably have to get your stuff out of the locker room, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. So, and you know, it adds to another — the less people we can have around the better chance we will have this season, I guess is what I’m saying. And if you’re not gonna play, then we’re gonna use the resources on the guys that are gonna play this year.

Woods: OK.

Rolovich: [Inaudible.]

Woods: Yessir.

Rolovich: So I appreciate you telling me.

Woods: Yessir, no problem Coach.

Rolovich: And let everybody else know. I know you guys will probably talk about it. And I’m gonna address it tomorrow on the deal, on the team meeting.

Woods: OK, I appreciate you Coach.

Rolovich: Alright, how’s your family?

Woods: They’re doing good. I already talked to them about it, so.

Rolovich: OK. Cool. Well, alright my man, I’ll see you on the team meeting.

Woods: Ok, yessir.

Rolovich: Bye.

Woods: Bye.

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  On 8/4/2020 at 2:54 PM, Hurtlocker said:

Not saying its a winning lawsuit, but its terrible optics.   Also, I'm pretty sure the entire movement is above the paygrade of the football coach and would be with the admin.   So either we'll see the WSU PR machine start backing the truck up, or this came from above, which then gets into a students rights issue, not a football player issue.

Here's the full transcript.   His stance on Covid and not participating with the team makes sense, probably should have stopped right there.

Full Transcript, DMN

 

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I don’t really think that they did anything wrong here per se, they just did it in a way that invites criticism.   Which invites criticism from me for a different reason. 
 

Say “We have discussed the issue With him, and the measures we have taken to address his and others’ concerns. After that discussion, he’s not going to play for the team this year.  But we continue to welcome him as a student and will honor his scholarship”

You’ve done the same thing but don’t look like you’re acting like union-busting employer whose trying to make an example of an uppity minority player. You look reasonable and even generous, and his continued criticism comes across more like whining after that.

 

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  On 8/4/2020 at 3:08 PM, Liquor and Poker said:

I don’t really think that they did anything wrong here per se, they just did it in a way that invites criticism.   Which invites criticism from me for a different reason. 
 

Say “We have discussed the issue With him, and the measures we have taken to address his and others’ concerns. After that discussion, he’s not going to play for the team this year.  But we continue to welcome him as a student and will honor his scholarship”

You’ve done the same thing but don’t look like you’re acting like union-busting employer whose trying to make an example of an uppity minority player. You look reasonable and even generous, and his continued criticism comes across more like whining after that.

 

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Agreed, hell he could have just said, "Hey mate, just to let you know, if you opt out via health concerns we support that and will honor your scholarship, but you need to realize it means you're opting out of ALL team activities for the year."  Then shut up about any movement, being unnecessary if the kid was already opting out.

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Well, at some point the "optics" will suffer but the result will stick. Perhaps not this time, but at some point reality comes home to roost. 

The upcoming lack of funds that college sports are about to encounter will have some positive effects. Some will come to understand that it's something of an honor to GIVEN room board and a shot at an education in return for playing a game. The actual value of an athletic scholarship would probably be appreciated more if there were about 20 % less of them. 

Also, there may be less schools stupid enough to pay a $75 mil 10 year deal to a coach... never mind they will still be there and still be stupid.

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  On 8/4/2020 at 4:19 PM, mdmost said:
And yes, it's only Idaho so I'm sure some will totally write off their concerns for a quick joke. 
 

 

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Well, if this is the first domino that ultimately wipes out the season, does this mean we were "Vandalized"?

See, you can make a lame Idaho joke without downplaying their concerns.

 

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