College Football in 2020 in danger?

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Big 10 coaches and ADs- Hey look, we just want to play. We'll play in the Big 12, if necessary.

Big 10 Commish- okay, you can go play there. But the conference will get all of your money and we'll give all the schools in the Big 10 a piece of your money even though they're sitting on their asses for a year. So you'll make next to nothing for a year of taking your kids to Covid hotspots to play in front of maybe 25K fans even though your (Ohio State, Penn State) governors already said you can't have fans. So have fun. Thanks for the money. 

Wouldn't those schools still get their cut?

If Ohio State and Michigan had any problem with half of the conference being dead beats and cashing the checks, they would have left the Big 10 years ago.  That is quite literally the Big 10's financial model.

Edited August 10, 2020 by Al_4_ISU

[CDAK 216]

So Ohio St. and Michigan (1) voted to cancel the season and (2) are asking about the ability to play in another conference. I feel like either (1) or (2) has to be incorrect.

[Happy Gilmore 1001]

2 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

How many players and coaches and staff members already die every year from other causes like cancer and heart attacks and stroke and whatever else?

How is this any different except to teams that have 80+ year old coaches? Bill Snyder retired, after all. 

 

My point. Lol I'm for them playing not against it. Maybe I misinterpreted your response on this but it seems like you think I'm against them playing. 

[kopp0e 1135]

19 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Now you've done it. Realignment takeover of thread in 3...2...1....

Gotta get that itch out 😲 (ok, now I'm "fine" again)... 

[Pato del Muerto 52510]

2 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

My point. Lol I'm for them playing not against it. Maybe I misinterpreted your response on this but it seems like you think I'm against them playing. 

How many would need to die?  More than one?  The bubble leagues I understand. Mlb and cfb don’t believe the folks have the restraint to stay safe and once it’s in th e locker room, it will be all over just like Miami and at Louis.  No clue what measures euro soccer and Aussie rugby are taking and how they are faring. 

[mdmost 43004]

5 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Wouldn't those schools still get their cut?

If Ohio State and Michigan had any problem with half of the conference being dead beats and cashing the checks, they would have left the Big 10 years ago.  That is quite literally the Big 10's financial model.

Who knows. Say it's a 10 game season. They get 5 home games. That's the only Big 10 TV money they get. They'll get none of the Big 12 money. And who knows what penalties are built into the Grant of Rights. 

And yeah, let's sign up Iowa to come to the Big 12!

 

[Hurtlocker 2212]

8 minutes ago, ouflak said:

So Rick, did your sources say anything about their media rights and if the Big Ten would quietly let those go to? Or how they will deal with the potential, but entirely unknown, long-term complications of contracting the Wuhan Xi, even for those who are asymptomatic?

Without knowing the language its hard to tell, but most rights agreements have some form of reversion clause and it becomes kind of messy if the Big Ten (or any conference) doesn't participate.   Could be why these are "temporary" conversations because the Big Ten would be vacating those rights for a year.

If the presidents say no play though, doesn't matter what the ADs, coaches, and players want.  Now, if a president wanted to keep at it, and the Big Ten chose not to do something with the rights, that individual school may be able to claim breach; whether they'd win or not is in question, not to mention likely wouldn't be settled by September.

 

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Who knows. Say it's a 10 game season. They get 5 home games. That's the only Big 10 TV money they get. They'll get none of the Big 12 money. And who knows what penalties are built into the Grant of Rights. 

And yeah, let's sign up Iowa to come to the Big 12!

 

I guess they didn't stay out of the IC bars.

I don't know if there would be any penalties, as they aren't leaving the Big 10.  With only getting money off of 5 home games, it would be less attractive.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

20 minutes ago, ouflak said:

the potential, but entirely unknown, long-term complications of contracting the Wuhan Xi, even for those who are asymptomatic?

there's really no rebuttal to there's an infectious disease and we don't know what the long-term complications are, even for those who are asymptomatic!

obviously the only correct answer is, stop doing everything until the disease is cured. 

[Valmy77 13238]

I say we play the season in December, January, and February and then have the playoff in south Florida over Spring Break. Best beach party ever.

I mean we currently have lots of trials going on, by December this whole thing may be managed. Why the rush? Let's just have a winter football season.

[Juicy 727]

16 minutes ago, CDAK said:

So Ohio St. and Michigan (1) voted to cancel the season and (2) are asking about the ability to play in another conference. I feel like either (1) or (2) has to be incorrect.

THIS.

The presidents voted to cancel the season with a conference wide policy on Covid/Testing, now they are going to approve playing in some hodgepodge wild west league that has to travel all over the country instead of regionally. Unlikely. 

[Eskimohorn 5635]

Harbaugh just glossing over the impact when the players return to class and hit up house parties in a couple of weeks? 

Or when they play a team like Colorado State that were fudging the numbers

[4th&Five 41558]

21 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

How many players and coaches and staff members already die every year from other causes like cancer and heart attacks and stroke and whatever else?

How is this any different except to teams that have 80+ year old coaches? Bill Snyder retired, after all. 

 

Cancer, heart attacks and strokes aren’t contagious. 

[CooterBrown 18014]

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Cancer, heart attacks and strokes aren’t contagious. 

South Austin's mom has stroked quite a few of us.

[Happy Gilmore 1001]

19 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How many would need to die?  More than one?  The bubble leagues I understand. Mlb and cfb don’t believe the folks have the restraint to stay safe and once it’s in th e locker room, it will be all over just like Miami and at Louis.  No clue what measures euro soccer and Aussie rugby are taking and how they are faring. 

Miami has recently resumed playing since then, St Louis has yet but plan on resuming against the White Sox 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Happy Gilmore
St Louis hasn't started back up

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

22 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

My point. Lol I'm for them playing not against it. Maybe I misinterpreted your response on this but it seems like you think I'm against them playing. 

On your side. 

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

Nebraska coming back to the Big 12 would be the ultimate ownage.

[Dnaguy 12000]

20 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Who knows. Say it's a 10 game season. They get 5 home games. That's the only Big 10 TV money they get. They'll get none of the Big 12 money. And who knows what penalties are built into the Grant of Rights. 

And yeah, let's sign up Iowa to come to the Big 12!

 

No wonder they want to play.

Seems kind of futile to have all those kids test positive if you don't get to play any football.

It's almost as if they were negligent and put them in harms way for no reason.

[Neonmoon 38129]

All it takes is one thot to bring a team down

[Scholz 11944]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Nebraska coming back to the Big 12 would be the ultimate ownage.

...and then losing to us.  Again.

 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

26 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How many would need to die?  More than one?  The bubble leagues I understand. Mlb and cfb don’t believe the folks have the restraint to stay safe and once it’s in th e locker room, it will be all over just like Miami and at Louis.  No clue what measures euro soccer and Aussie rugby are taking and how they are faring. 

MLB is doing a fantastic job IMO by not panicking and just postponing games and not acting like it's the end of the world for people to catch it, which it's not. 

[Eskimohorn 5635]

Cancer, heart attacks and strokes aren’t contagious. 

And they cant suddenly cost you 10-20-40 players and coaches, maybe even the whole team being out of action for weeks. And, there’s no uniform entity that provides uniform guidance when outbreaks occur. So Colorado States will hide numbers, while another school accurately reports each case.

College football as normal with thousands of students flying around the country is not likely to be successfully carried out and provides risk to players and everyone they come in contact with and everyone they come in contact with and so on and so on.

So the risk analysis is made simpler. Do you proceed with 1-6 exhibition games, or do you cancel? And this all makes in-person instruction even more difficult because you have a group of hundreds taking part in risky behavior active on campus (and some travel from off-campus each day).

[Hank_Hill 18869]

I'd rather Ohio State not win the Big 12, personally. 

[Valmy77 13238]

7 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

MLB is doing a fantastic job 

There is a combination of words you don't hear much these days.

I agree but again we are talking about a small number of clubs and everybody is well compensated for the risks involved.

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

1 minute ago, Eskimohorn said:

And they cant suddenly cost you 10-20-40 players and coaches, maybe even the whole team being out of action for weeks. And, there’s no uniform entity that provides uniform guidance when outbreaks occur. So Colorado States will hide numbers, while another school accurately reports each case.

College football as normal with thousands of students flying around the country is not likely to be successfully carried out and provides risk to players and everyone they come in contact with and everyone they come in contact with and so on and so on.

So the risk analysis is made simpler. Do you proceed with 1-6 exhibition games, or do you cancel? And this all makes in-person instruction even more difficult because you have a group of hundreds taking part in risky behavior active on campus (and some travel from off-campus each day).

They would only be out of action "for weeks" because we choose for them to be because the entire world is a bunch of gigantic pussies right now.

But there's no medical reason for them to be out of action any longer than if they caught regular influenza, probably less if they aren't actually ill or having symptoms.

Everyone acts like it's the end of the world if you catch it. It's not. It's not even close unless you are old or infirm. Let it spread and let people be immune. People have been spreading viruses and getting sick  and then getting well for thousands of years. It's nothing new. 

People are panicking because they are being told to panic, not because the numbers actually say they should. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10275]

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by MonkeyDoughnut

[David Dennison 18907]

8 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

MLB is doing a fantastic job IMO by not panicking and just postponing games and not acting like it's the end of the world for people to catch it, which it's not. 

You're also talking about professional athletes who have negotiated a price for their labor.

This is not the case for college athletes.

[mdmost 43004]

Not knowing the long term effects is why this is probably done.

 

 

[Sgt Hulk 13777]

Realignment talk gonna be lit for years 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

Just now, David Dennison said:

You're also talking about professional athletes who have negotiated a price for their labor.

This is not the case for college athletes.

And this is a very fair point that I do not disagree with. 

But it gets back to my primary opinion that except for very well defined at risk populations (old people and inform people), this isn't the plague we thought it was and we never worried before about unionizing college athletes over a low-risk (to them) respiratory disease. Plenty of athletes at all schools catch viruses. 

[David Dennison 18907]

1 minute ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

And this is a very fair point that I do not disagree with. 

But it gets back to my primary opinion that except for very well defined at risk populations (old people and inform people), this isn't the plague we thought it was and we never worried before about unionizing college athletes over a low-risk (to them) respiratory disease. Plenty of athletes at all schools catch viruses. 

It's not necessarily low risk to those individuals who contract the disease from college athletes.

[mdmost 43004]

Mountain West just cancelled fall football. Group of 3 now.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by mdmost

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not necessarily low risk to those individuals who contract the disease from college athletes.

So... tell the players to stay out of nursing homes and cancer wards? You don't have to cancel the season. 

And even so, there is nothing special about college athletics that endangers at-risk populations more just because sports are being played. They're still at risk in either circumstance. 

[Tex Pete 20372]

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"I want to play, but I want to play for the players' sake, the value they can create for themselves," Saban told ESPN. "I know I'll be criticized no matter what I say, that I don't care about player safety. Look, players are a lot safer with us than they are running around at home. We have around a 2 percent positive ratio on our team since the Fourth of the July. It's a lot higher than that in society. We act like these guys can't get this unless they play football. They can get it anywhere, whether they're in a bar or just hanging out."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29634072/nick-saban-says-players-safer-alabama-running-home

[Pato del Muerto 52510]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not necessarily low risk to those individuals who contract the disease from college athletes.

That can be mitigated with a rigorous testing regimen that would lead to the quarantine of athletes early on, if everyone was willing to spend the money on thousand of tests and the results could be provided in a timely manner.  If I’m thinking of ways to make this work. But it would require a serious waiver to be signed by the athletes as well as a path for them should they opt out of playing- no lost eligibility or scholarship benefits. 

[David Dennison 18907]

2 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

So... tell the players to stay out of nursing homes and cancer wards? You don't have to cancel the season. 

And even so, there is nothing special about college athletics that endangers at-risk populations more just because sports are being played. They're still at risk in either circumstance. 

Except they do what college kids do and the people they come into contact with doing college kid things take the virus home to middle aged parents and elderly grandparents. Not to mention all of the middle aged and older staff members they encounter on campus and at events.

So, it's going to be a problem.

[Eskimohorn 5635]

They would only be out of action "for weeks" because we choose for them to be because the entire world is a bunch of gigantic pussies right now.

But there's no medical reason for them to be out of action any longer than if they caught regular influenza, probably less if they aren't actually ill or having symptoms.

Everyone acts like it's the end of the world if you catch it. It's not. It's not even close unless you are old or infirm. Let it spread and let people be immune. People have been spreading viruses and getting sick  and then getting well for thousands of years. It's nothing new. 

People are panicking because they are being told to panic, not because the numbers actually say they should. 

 

Even if what you believe were true (its not), backed by university public health and science experts (its not), at some point if there’s an environment where there appears to be exponential (worsening) spread of COVID in a community, things shut down.

 

You may disagree, leaders may disagree, but the question is in the current world, what chances do you see a real college season happening with a progression to a postseason?

 

I say no team makes it past 6 games this Fall. And most teams shut it down after 4 games. So my point is this: we’re talking about exhibition games.

[Bartles 769]

ESPN article on myocarditis and COVID talks to quite a few doctors and specialists nationwide. My take is this is definitely a high priority - it took out that Indiana freshman and also the Red Sox best (?) pitcher. But the consensus seems to be it's not going to be all that common, and now that they know to look for it, will be easier to recover over time.

[closetohumping 17444]

Grave danger?

[David Dennison 18907]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Grave danger?

Is there any other kind?

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Except they do what college kids do and the people they come into contact with doing college kid things take the virus home to middle aged parents and elderly grandparents. Not to mention all of the middle aged and older staff members they encounter on campus and at events.

So, it's going to be a problem.

But - again - that has nothing to do with whether there is a football season or not. 

[David Dennison 18907]

5 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

But - again - that has nothing to do with whether there is a football season or not. 

It absolutely does. They are students. 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

4 minutes ago, Bartles said:

ESPN article on myocarditis and COVID talks to quite a few doctors and specialists nationwide. My take is this is definitely a high priority - it took out that Indiana freshman and also the Red Sox best (?) pitcher. But the consensus seems to be it's not going to be all that common, and now that they know to look for it, will be easier to recover over time.

It's also nothing new. It can happen with any viral infection. My son developed it from a run of the mill adenovirus infection a few years ago when he was 10 and took a couple of months to recover. But he eventually recovered. Point being, it's already rare. It might be slightly less rare with covid than other viruses, but it's still a minor risk.  

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

ESPN article on myocarditis and COVID talks to quite a few doctors and specialists nationwide. My take is this is definitely a high priority - it took out that Indiana freshman and also the Red Sox best (?) pitcher. But the consensus seems to be it's not going to be all that common, and now that they know to look for it, will be easier to recover over time.

Works for me, College football is back on!

[Hurtlocker 2212]

 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It absolutely does. They are students. 

What exactly would they do differently - as students - if they did or didn't play football?

Or to phrase it another way - what does playing football do exactly that makes them more of a danger to those at-risk populations?

Edited August 10, 2020 by crimsonlonghorn

[Hurtlocker 2212]

 

[David Dennison 18907]

1 minute ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

What exactly would they do differently - as students - if they did or didn't play football?

Nothing. They are going to do what college kids do. They are not going to be separated from the student body. And that is going to spread the virus.

It's going to be a mess.

[TxTower 652]

Works for me, College football is back on!

I refuse to have any Hope at all.

It’s like waiting to see if Charlie Brown finally gets to kick the football.

[Hurtlocker 2212]