College Football in 2020 in danger?

[Hurtlocker 2213]

 

[South Austin 52519]

42 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Rattler must really fucking suck.

Now you've done it.  See "Sam Bradford seems like he sucks."  hornfans.com, 2007

[Sbbruin 21861]

6 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Universities are businesses now. Universities are solvent because of grant money, legislative allotments, room and board, tuition, and athletics. Athletics is a huge piece of that pie, and if they can keep that money rolling in it will more than offset the room and board they would've gotten. Especially at Texas. 

Athletics is not a huge part of a university's operating revenue.  At least at most places.  The revenue from the "money" sports essentially covers the cost of the non-revenue sports.  The excess is not thrown into the university general fund.  At UCLA, athletics revenue isn't even a blip on overall incoming cash.

[Dnaguy 12000]

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

He must be rattled.

That is a brain dead takeaway from this. Are you familiar at all with the University of Oklahoma?

1.) B1G and PAC canceled fall football

2.) NCAA has said that it isn't safe to play sports in the fall and therefore won't sponsor any championships

3.) 170,000 + ppl have died of a pandemic that continues to kill >1000 ppl / day in the US

4.) Schools are shutting down in class learning due to COVID clusters popping up after [looks at watch] less than a week of being on campus

 

And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?

 

I mean, who's braindead here?

[ztejas 43475]

1 minute ago, Dnaguy said:

1.) B1G and PAC canceled fall football

2.) NCAA has said that it isn't safe to play sports in the fall and therefore won't sponsor any championships

3.) 170,000 + ppl have died of a pandemic that continues to kill >1000 ppl / day in the US

4.) Schools are shutting down in class learning due to COVID clusters popping up after [looks at watch] less than a week of being on campus

 

And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?

 

I mean, who's braindead here?

You

[Dnaguy 12000]

4 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

This.

Kevin Warren earnin' his paper by taking all the incoming fire while the Presidents sit back and enjoy the cover.

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

5 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

1.) B1G and PAC canceled fall football

2.) NCAA has said that it isn't safe to play sports in the fall and therefore won't sponsor any championships

3.) 170,000 + ppl have died of a pandemic that continues to kill >1000 ppl / day in the US

4.) Schools are shutting down in class learning due to COVID clusters popping up after [looks at watch] less than a week of being on campus

 

And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?

 

I mean, who's braindead here?

Is there anything in blowu’s institutional dna that would lead you to believe they value anything above football?  Just one example over the last 50 years where someone in charge said, “you know, this will have an adverse effect on the football team, but it’s the right thing to do.”

[Dnaguy 12000]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

You

Ok. Cool

Hook'em.

🤘

[honolulu horn 6164]

6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Athletics is not a huge part of a university's operating revenue.  At least at most places.  The revenue from the "money" sports essentially covers the cost of the non-revenue sports.  The excess is not thrown into the university general fund.  At UCLA, athletics revenue isn't even a blip on overall incoming cash.

Thanks SB. You're totally right about that. However, I believe that more revenue from Texas' athletics goes to the university's general fund than in most places, probably because Texas football is so lucrative that there is more to go around. I could be wrong about that; I don't really know how much is shared beyond Belmont. But overall the consideration to kick students off campus and have athletes on campus is a fiscal one at its core, not borne from a "football championship or bust" mentality. 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

How a cardiologist may have saved the college football season

Full:

Quote

Michael Ackerman isn’t a college football fan.

The Mayo Clinic genetic cardiologist has been to two college football games in his life.

But if we have college football this fall, Dr. Ackerman will be one of the reasons why. His perspective on myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart, helped the Big 12 hold off on canceling its season, which would have set off a string of dominos that could have doomed college football last week. Without the Big 12, the ACC would have likely dropped out, and it would have been increasingly difficult for the SEC to move forward alone. The fate of the 2020 season hinged on the biggest wild card of the Power 5 conferences.

The Big 12 brought in Ackerman for its Tuesday call last week amid a Sports Illustrated report the conference was split on what to do. The Big Ten and Pac-12 had already announced their plans to cancel the fall football season, citing myocarditis as a primary factor in those decisions. Before the Tuesday call, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told the Dallas Morning News, “You’d be less than forthright if you didn’t acknowledge between the myocarditis and some of the other things that are new, it hasn’t raised the concern level.”

In two weeks, it went from a secondary issue to the topic that created considerable concern among Big 12 university leaders after multiple recent national stories detailed the risks involved. With the season hanging in the balance, myocarditis was poised to be the issue that pushed the Big 12 into the same fate as the Big Ten and Pac-12.

Enter Ackerman.

The Minnesota-based cardiologist leads the Windland Smith Rice Sudden Death Genomics Lab which studies, among other things, sudden death in young athletes. He explained to the Big 12′s leaders that a new myocarditis study in the Journal of American Medical Association that sparked panic across college sports didn’t have the “bandwidth” to be transferable in a useful way. The study, conducted in Germany and composed of middle-aged adults, found that 78 percent of the 100 participants had some cardiac abnormality. Ackerman said it’d be a “scientific foul” to infer that those findings are relevant for 18 to 24-year old athletes.

"You cannot make that leap," Ackerman exclaimed.

He used a soup analogy to explain how to weigh myocarditis, among other COVID-19 related issues, in whether to play football this fall. The conferences that canceled their seasons, he explained, stirred myocarditis in as a primary ingredient into their soup and then declared the soup tasted bad. Ackerman advised the Big 12 and Conference USA leaders to take myocarditis out of that equation, and if they still felt like the soup tasted bad, then that was their reason to cancel.

Most importantly, though, he said they shouldn't use myocarditis as the reason to cancel college football now.

"There's just too many unknowns to say we have new damaging, alarming evidence that COVID-19 myocarditis is the big, bad spooky thing in town now, and we need to do something about it," Ackerman said. "Not new news at all; we've known that this virus can affect the heart muscle for five months now. It's not new, it just got put forward in a new way, and it's taken on a new life."

Ackerman’s expertise proved very influential within the Big 12 ranks. Here was a qualified expert with no stakes in whether college football would be played this fall, giving the green light to not throw in the towel yet. Baylor AD Mack Rhoades told ESPN Ackerman, “provided us with a comfort level” that a player who tests positive for the coronavirus could safely return to competition after going through a cardiac screening. Big 12 leaders were intently listening with “their ears wide open” when Ackerman talked, according to a Big 12 administrator.

Not long after Ackerman briefed the group Tuesday night, the Big 12′s leaders decided to move forward with fall football plans. Bowlsby said Ackerman provided “very helpful information.”

"We are going to take the advice of our medical advisors and medical experts in this area, and certainly Dr. Ackerman has a strong knowledge base when it comes to the areas of myocarditis and cardio issues," said Ed Stewart, the Big 12's executive associate commissioner who oversees football and serves as liaison to its medical advisors.

UAB AD Mark Ingram, who listened to Dr. Ackerman address his conference a day later, described a similar reaction among CUSA leaders who had been increasingly worried about a potentially deadly heart issue that most knew little about until recently.

"When Dr. Ackerman spoke, it felt like this wave of relief," Ingram said. "He had a very calming effect, a very logical voice in the room. I thought his talking points were very well-balanced and logical in where we are with the virus, with testing and protocols."

The Mayo Clinic cardiologist didn’t sugarcoat that myocarditis can be a serious issue. The inflammation of the heart, caused by viral infections, can ultimately be deadly in rare cases. Former Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis, who collapsed during basketball practice, died at the age of 27 from myocarditis. Brian Hainline, the NCAA’s chief medical officer, said last week he was aware of 12 athletes suffering from myocarditis after COVID-19. It remains an issue that bears close watching within college athletics going forward.

Ackerman pushed for the Big 12 to consider additional heart-related protocols to mitigate any possible risks, with the conference adopting plans to test athletes who had the coronavirus with an EKG, cardiac MRI, echocardiogram and troponin blood test. He stressed that any player who contracts COVID-19 needs to have a “squeaky clean cardiac evaluation” before getting the go-ahead to return to play. He cautioned them to consider possible mental health ramifications of canceling a season, referencing past experiences with athletes who suffered after being medically disqualified for heart issues.

Citing his own experience in dealing with non-zero risk situations with patients every day, he provided a path forward for college conferences hoping to play college football this fall.

His impassioned plea swayed the room with Bowlsby saying “the biggest argument is nobody’s told us that it’s poorly advised to go forward and do what we’re doing.” Stewart told AL.com, “We feel good about the individuals we are relying on for information, and we’ll continue to do that.”

“They were refreshed by slowing down what they thought was the heart freight train as their reason to end the season,” Ackerman said.

There will be more hurdles for conferences like the Big 12 and CUSA to overcome in the coming weeks. Fears of what will happen when non-athlete college students return to campus have already been crystallized at the University of North Carolina which moved to online-only learning after only a week. COVID-19 testing concerns and the challenges around quarantine restrictions for athletes aren’t going away. A decision to move forward one week in August doesn’t guarantee that every college football game will be played this fall.

Still, no issue frightened college leaders quite like myocarditis over the last two weeks. Pac-12 ADs and coaches were in favor of playing a fall season until a call with the conference’s medical advisors discussing the coronavirus-related heart issues made it a “no-brainer,” to cancel the fall season, a Pac-12 coach told The Athletic. The Big 12′s call could have headed a similar direction without Ackerman’s perspective. If it had, any semblance of a 2020 fall season would have been dead.

Ackerman won’t be attending games in Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium or Bryant-Denny Stadium anytime soon.

But if there are any games played inside those stadiums this fall, he’ll be one of the reasons why.

Snippet:

Quote

The Minnesota-based cardiologist leads the Windland Smith Rice Sudden Death Genomics Lab which studies, among other things, sudden death in young athletes. He explained to the Big 12′s leaders that a new myocarditis study in the Journal of American Medical Association that sparked panic across college sports didn’t have the “bandwidth” to be transferable in a useful way. The study, conducted in Germany and composed of middle-aged adults, found that 78 percent of the 100 participants had some cardiac abnormality. Ackerman said it’d be a “scientific foul” to infer that those findings are relevant for 18 to 24-year old athletes.

"You cannot make that leap," Ackerman exclaimed.

 

[Bartles 769]

7 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Kevin Warren earnin' his paper by taking all the incoming fire while the Presidents sit back and enjoy the cover.

 

I wonder if this mess is an indication that some presidents weren't happy about Warren as Jim Delany's replacement and are using COVID as a power play, either to set him up to leave at some point or at least to assert themselves in future shaping future Big Ten policy. Kind of like Beebe never really had control of the Big 12 presidents.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

3 minutes ago, Bartles said:

I wonder if this mess is an indication that some presidents weren't happy about Warren as Jim Delany's replacement and are using COVID as a power play, either to set him up to leave at some point or at least to assert themselves in future shaping future Big Ten policy. Kind of like Beebe never really had control of the Big 12 presidents.

Or the non-football powers trying to take the reins back from the football powers

[ztejas 43475]

12 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Is there anything in blowu’s institutional dna that would lead you to believe they value anything above football?  Just one example over the last 50 years where someone in charge said, “you know, this will have an adverse effect on the football team, but it’s the right thing to do.”

It's all brand optics. OU's admissions rely heavily on their football program and gameday culture. Just like Clemson. They should have lost 3 or 4 games last year and are probably not super high on the idea of getting smacked a few times on national TV without noncon patsys to fill the schedule out. Sbbruin showed the financials at UCLA. UCLA is a world class institution that could cut football tomorrow and still have applicants beating the door down to get in. Same with UT. OU's operating revenue would seriously suffer over a long enough period of time if they quit excelling at football. 

Edited August 19, 2020 by ztejas
Good God I'm turning into ctj

[Tex Pete 20399]

13 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?

Yes. Are you unfamiliar with the University of Oklahoma and their priorities?

[Dbeasy 15068]

1.) B1G and PAC canceled fall football
2.) NCAA has said that it isn't safe to play sports in the fall and therefore won't sponsor any championships
3.) 170,000 + ppl have died of a pandemic that continues to kill >1000 ppl / day in the US
4.) Schools are shutting down in class learning due to COVID clusters popping up after [looks at watch] less than a week of being on campus
 
And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?
 
I mean, who's braindead here?

Not sure you can jump to this conclusion and call other viewpoints brain dead. While I’ve been firmly in the camp of getting the virus under control via mask wearing, safety policies, sheltering in place and social distancing, and have been exasperated at the stupid behavior of the Murica crowd, and see the health risks as substantial, we do as a country have to figure out a way to move forward because of the massive financial and human risks of no jobs and no commerce. It’s worth a try.

Put together the safest protocols you can, and see if it works. If it doesn’t, then stop. Just don’t do what everyone is doing currently, which is move forward without mask wearing, social distancing, health protocols, etc. That will never work.

[texasstrong12 4668]

OU has key players opting out, they have a bunch of suspensions, and a bunch of injuries. 

For sure they want the season cancelled. 

[ztejas 43475]

9 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Yes. Are you unfamiliar with the University of Oklahoma and their priorities?

The fact that people are repping him is hilariously tone deaf. 

[Thiefery 5011]

So ou really cares about it's athletes and want to pull out huh?  Too bad they didn't feel the same way with female students who may encounter the Joe Mixon's of the world on campus.

[orange dream 1254]

Ok, I get that Illinois and Minny have athletic dept debt but I'm shocked the Michigan and tOSU have so much debt related to their athletic departments.  Is this some Steve Patterson level (we can't afford the training table for our athletes) BS or do they really not make their donors pony up for new facilities?

Also, OU being seen as anything other than hayseed, inbred dirt burglars tells you that you are probably looking at the information you're analyzing incorrectly.

[Thiefery 5011]

7 minutes ago, orange dream said:

Ok, I get that Illinois and Minny have athletic dept debt but I'm shocked the Michigan and tOSU have so much debt related to their athletic departments.  Is this some Steve Patterson level (we can't afford the training table for our athletes) BS or do they really not make their donors pony up for new facilities?

Also, OU being seen as anything other than hayseed, inbred dirt burglars tells you that you are probably looking at the information you're analyzing incorrectly.

Buck fan on twitter says it's because they are building a lot of state of the art shit lol

[mdmost 43004]

 

[Skipper 6136]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

 

 

And YOUR takeaway is that OU doesn't want to play football because their qb is shittier than they thought?

We are talking about a school that covered up Joe Mixon hospitalizing a girl breaking her jaw.  They had the fucking Norman DA's office doing everything they could to keep the video from coming to light and succeeded until he finished his last season.  Again, so he could play fucking football.  That is a recent example of dozens that flat out illustrate beyond doubt that OU does not give a shit about anything else OTHER than winning at all costs.  So yes, I think it's a pretty fair bet that OU, located in one of the reddest states in the nation (and a state that hasn't been hit too hard by COVID) is pushing to move the season to the Spring for some sort of competitive advantage purposes rather than actual COVID concerns.

[Tex Pete 20399]

8 minutes ago, Skipper said:

We are talking about a school that covered up Joe Mixon hospitalizing a girl breaking her jaw.  They had the fucking Norman DA's office doing everything they could to keep the video from coming to light and succeeded until he finished his last season.  Again, so he could play fucking football.

Did you see what that bitch's face did to Joe's hand?!

[USNALonghorn 5078]

If OU doesn't want to play, they're well within their rights to forfeit their season. 

The decision to play should rest within the players and the coaches. If they want to play and are willing to enforce all risk mitigation and isolation protocols, then let them give it a shot. These athletes are trying to take advantage of the prime years of their athletic careers. If they decide the benefits outweigh the costs, I have no issue with them playing.

As far as fans go, leave the stands empty. The whole mask thing was grand experiment of personal responsibility within modern society. Much like the shopping cart experiment, there was no penalty for not wearing a mask and it's not that fucking hard to do so. Yet a large portion of society neglected what should've been a considerate act for those who are at a greater risk of harm from the virus.

As a nice benefit, having college football on TV at home this fall could help keep people inside and help boost morale of the nation. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

The thread derails itself. I posted a gif of the explosion as a joke in poor taste and no less than 15 people commented about where they were and how they found out about it. 

Well I was surfing in the water closet (phrasing) a few minutes ago when I saw it.  Was catching up on the thread. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

How a cardiologist may have saved the college football season
Full:

Michael Ackerman isn’t a college football fan.
The Mayo Clinic genetic cardiologist has been to two college football games in his life.
But if we have college football this fall, Dr. Ackerman will be one of the reasons why. His perspective on myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart, helped the Big 12 hold off on canceling its season, which would have set off a string of dominos that could have doomed college football last week. Without the Big 12, the ACC would have likely dropped out, and it would have been increasingly difficult for the SEC to move forward alone. The fate of the 2020 season hinged on the biggest wild card of the Power 5 conferences.
The Big 12 brought in Ackerman for its Tuesday call last week amid a Sports Illustrated report the conference was split on what to do. The Big Ten and Pac-12 had already announced their plans to cancel the fall football season, citing myocarditis as a primary factor in those decisions. Before the Tuesday call, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told the Dallas Morning News, “You’d be less than forthright if you didn’t acknowledge between the myocarditis and some of the other things that are new, it hasn’t raised the concern level.”
In two weeks, it went from a secondary issue to the topic that created considerable concern among Big 12 university leaders after multiple recent national stories detailed the risks involved. With the season hanging in the balance, myocarditis was poised to be the issue that pushed the Big 12 into the same fate as the Big Ten and Pac-12.
Enter Ackerman.
The Minnesota-based cardiologist leads the Windland Smith Rice Sudden Death Genomics Lab which studies, among other things, sudden death in young athletes. He explained to the Big 12′s leaders that a new myocarditis study in the Journal of American Medical Association that sparked panic across college sports didn’t have the “bandwidth” to be transferable in a useful way. The study, conducted in Germany and composed of middle-aged adults, found that 78 percent of the 100 participants had some cardiac abnormality. Ackerman said it’d be a “scientific foul” to infer that those findings are relevant for 18 to 24-year old athletes.
"You cannot make that leap," Ackerman exclaimed.
He used a soup analogy to explain how to weigh myocarditis, among other COVID-19 related issues, in whether to play football this fall. The conferences that canceled their seasons, he explained, stirred myocarditis in as a primary ingredient into their soup and then declared the soup tasted bad. Ackerman advised the Big 12 and Conference USA leaders to take myocarditis out of that equation, and if they still felt like the soup tasted bad, then that was their reason to cancel.
Most importantly, though, he said they shouldn't use myocarditis as the reason to cancel college football now.
"There's just too many unknowns to say we have new damaging, alarming evidence that COVID-19 myocarditis is the big, bad spooky thing in town now, and we need to do something about it," Ackerman said. "Not new news at all; we've known that this virus can affect the heart muscle for five months now. It's not new, it just got put forward in a new way, and it's taken on a new life."
Ackerman’s expertise proved very influential within the Big 12 ranks. Here was a qualified expert with no stakes in whether college football would be played this fall, giving the green light to not throw in the towel yet. Baylor AD Mack Rhoades told ESPN Ackerman, “provided us with a comfort level” that a player who tests positive for the coronavirus could safely return to competition after going through a cardiac screening. Big 12 leaders were intently listening with “their ears wide open” when Ackerman talked, according to a Big 12 administrator.
Not long after Ackerman briefed the group Tuesday night, the Big 12′s leaders decided to move forward with fall football plans. Bowlsby said Ackerman provided “very helpful information.”
"We are going to take the advice of our medical advisors and medical experts in this area, and certainly Dr. Ackerman has a strong knowledge base when it comes to the areas of myocarditis and cardio issues," said Ed Stewart, the Big 12's executive associate commissioner who oversees football and serves as liaison to its medical advisors.
UAB AD Mark Ingram, who listened to Dr. Ackerman address his conference a day later, described a similar reaction among CUSA leaders who had been increasingly worried about a potentially deadly heart issue that most knew little about until recently.
"When Dr. Ackerman spoke, it felt like this wave of relief," Ingram said. "He had a very calming effect, a very logical voice in the room. I thought his talking points were very well-balanced and logical in where we are with the virus, with testing and protocols."
The Mayo Clinic cardiologist didn’t sugarcoat that myocarditis can be a serious issue. The inflammation of the heart, caused by viral infections, can ultimately be deadly in rare cases. Former Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis, who collapsed during basketball practice, died at the age of 27 from myocarditis. Brian Hainline, the NCAA’s chief medical officer, said last week he was aware of 12 athletes suffering from myocarditis after COVID-19. It remains an issue that bears close watching within college athletics going forward.
Ackerman pushed for the Big 12 to consider additional heart-related protocols to mitigate any possible risks, with the conference adopting plans to test athletes who had the coronavirus with an EKG, cardiac MRI, echocardiogram and troponin blood test. He stressed that any player who contracts COVID-19 needs to have a “squeaky clean cardiac evaluation” before getting the go-ahead to return to play. He cautioned them to consider possible mental health ramifications of canceling a season, referencing past experiences with athletes who suffered after being medically disqualified for heart issues.
Citing his own experience in dealing with non-zero risk situations with patients every day, he provided a path forward for college conferences hoping to play college football this fall.
His impassioned plea swayed the room with Bowlsby saying “the biggest argument is nobody’s told us that it’s poorly advised to go forward and do what we’re doing.” Stewart told AL.com, “We feel good about the individuals we are relying on for information, and we’ll continue to do that.”
“They were refreshed by slowing down what they thought was the heart freight train as their reason to end the season,” Ackerman said.
There will be more hurdles for conferences like the Big 12 and CUSA to overcome in the coming weeks. Fears of what will happen when non-athlete college students return to campus have already been crystallized at the University of North Carolina which moved to online-only learning after only a week. COVID-19 testing concerns and the challenges around quarantine restrictions for athletes aren’t going away. A decision to move forward one week in August doesn’t guarantee that every college football game will be played this fall.
Still, no issue frightened college leaders quite like myocarditis over the last two weeks. Pac-12 ADs and coaches were in favor of playing a fall season until a call with the conference’s medical advisors discussing the coronavirus-related heart issues made it a “no-brainer,” to cancel the fall season, a Pac-12 coach told The Athletic. The Big 12′s call could have headed a similar direction without Ackerman’s perspective. If it had, any semblance of a 2020 fall season would have been dead.
Ackerman won’t be attending games in Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium or Bryant-Denny Stadium anytime soon.
But if there are any games played inside those stadiums this fall, he’ll be one of the reasons why.

Snippet:

The Minnesota-based cardiologist leads the Windland Smith Rice Sudden Death Genomics Lab which studies, among other things, sudden death in young athletes. He explained to the Big 12′s leaders that a new myocarditis study in the Journal of American Medical Association that sparked panic across college sports didn’t have the “bandwidth” to be transferable in a useful way. The study, conducted in Germany and composed of middle-aged adults, found that 78 percent of the 100 participants had some cardiac abnormality. Ackerman said it’d be a “scientific foul” to infer that those findings are relevant for 18 to 24-year old athletes.
"You cannot make that leap," Ackerman exclaimed.

 

Hey first time this week myocarditis has been mentioned in this thread!

[clapclapclap 9000]

15 hours ago, jinx said:

I think I have taken part in more derails than actual topic discussion in this thread.  

Hi

[Neonmoon 38129]

42 minutes ago, Skipper said:

We are talking about a school that covered up Joe Mixon hospitalizing a girl breaking her jaw.  They had the fucking Norman DA's office doing everything they could to keep the video from coming to light and succeeded until he finished his last season.  Again, so he could play fucking football.  That is a recent example of dozens that flat out illustrate beyond doubt that OU does not give a shit about anything else OTHER than winning at all costs.  So yes, I think it's a pretty fair bet that OU, located in one of the reddest states in the nation (and a state that hasn't been hit too hard by COVID) is pushing to move the season to the Spring for some sort of competitive advantage purposes rather than actual COVID concerns.

This right here. 

[Brothahorn 10087]

On 8/18/2020 at 12:00 PM, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

I'm surprised the ACC is in the still playing camp.  Their schools' academic profiles are more in line with the B1G and the PAC than with the SEC and XII.

Clemson and FSU probably pushed them to play. Plus if you don't play football, you can't play Bball. And you know they are playing Bball.

[kopp0e 1135]

2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Kevin Warren earnin' his paper by taking all the incoming fire while the Presidents sit back and enjoy the cover.

 

B1G may need to pay Warren a bonus, if this part actually happens:

As some schools may not be able to fully recover (as Illinois is already $325m. in debt, before counting losses from no football this fall)...

[Hurtlocker 2213]

8 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

As some schools may not be able to fully recover (as Illinois is already $325m. in debt, before counting losses from no football this fall)...

To be fair, that $325m in debt isn't cash flow, but total debt obligations, like bonds to build a new building, etc.   The yearly amount they pay on that is closer to $10-20m, but it does indicate the potential size of the iceberg for some schools.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Hurtlocker
spellz bad

[Bartles 769]

I want to ask people stop posting fringe nut jobs like Deace and C Travis, but I guess it's kind of instructive. This drumbeat of how it's all about fear of organizing is likely coming from a certain type of "believer". I won't cloak room this, just point out that I don't see a lot of very qualified local and national journalists touching the player organizing angle as a reason for not playing right now.

The organizing issues are real, but: some issues (revenue sharing) have been around for decades, so buying a few months time is pointless; some like NIL are already well underway and postponing fall football does nothing to prevent their progress; the players themselves are mainly demanding health protocols that are being addressed for the most part.

Also wish someone kept an accuracy rate of "little birdie told me" tweets, most are forgotten pretty quickly

[TrashMaster G 17563]

3 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Athletics is not a huge part of a university's operating revenue.  At least at most places.  The revenue from the "money" sports essentially covers the cost of the non-revenue sports.  The excess is not thrown into the university general fund.  At UCLA, athletics revenue isn't even a blip on overall incoming cash.

This is pretty interesting.  Tough to make direct comparisons with the huge revenue UCLA gets from its Medical Centers, but setting that aside, a couple of things...

1 - I would be willing to bet that a BIG chunk of the "Educational activities & auxiliary enterprises" (nice blanket title, btw) would be dorms and meal plans.  Student Housing is probably the biggest profit center from university operations and is the driving force behind universities wanting to have students on campus.

2 - Don't undervalue the indirect impact athletics has on enrollment and, as a result, revenue.  It is is big reason why so many schools want to be D-1A despite the net expense of the Athletics Dept.  The exposure from being D-1A makes the Athletics net loss into, effectively, recruiting expense.

[mdmost 43004]

 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

CBS, affiliated with the SEC, giving it to the Big Ten

[Al_4_ISU 12464]

2 hours ago, kopp0e said:

B1G may need to pay Warren a bonus, if this part actually happens:

As some schools may not be able to fully recover (as Illinois is already $325m. in debt, before counting losses from no football this fall)...

Steve Deace?

Jesus Christ.

[TrashMaster G 17563]

2 hours ago, kopp0e said:

B1G may need to pay Warren a bonus, if this part actually happens:

As some schools may not be able to fully recover (as Illinois is already $325m. in debt, before counting losses from no football this fall)...

The dumb is strong in this one.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

CBS, affiliated with the SEC, giving it to the Big Ten

Lmao. These penis wrinkles are really showing their ass. Especially for a conference touted to be a bunch of smart schools.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

 

[Js1 85405]

50 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

Yep. 13!

 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

5 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

 

Football season will be over for everyone by the time they respond

[Doc Reeves 6434]

On 8/17/2020 at 10:19 AM, SwanderedTalent said:

Hold still for a minute, stop squirming. I said that what I would think if my life were at risk was meaningless in the context of discussing whether we should play college football, and it is. It's an appeal to emotion-- a hypothetical one at that-- and a solipsistic way of interpreting what we know pro and con. 

If you want to say "well if it were me, I wouldn't play" and support individuals players choosing to sit out, that is perfectly reasonable. 

If you want to say "if it were me, I wouldn't play, so no one should be allowed to play", then there's not really anything for you and I to discuss; that is an intractable difference of opinion. 

If you want me to Internet this up and say "FUCK YOU FUCKER I'D FUCKING PLAY!!!!!" I can do that, but this is sort of a last-gasp attempt at having a nice discussion on Surly like the ones I'm having with js1 and ChiTownDoc.

Look man, I like you as a poster and agree with you way more that I disagree.

ill say that -for me- the process has seemed rushed and obviously seriously lacked leadership. There is absolutely NO acceptable body count for any sport. That’s not me, that’s the literal process of existing in our US society.
 

We can respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Don Johnson 4754]

Wait....what?  Seniors could play a full season and then just come back?

 

[Js1 85405]

On 8/17/2020 at 9:19 AM, SwanderedTalent said:

Hold still for a minute, stop squirming. I said that what I would think if my life were at risk was meaningless in the context of discussing whether we should play college football, and it is. It's an appeal to emotion-- a hypothetical one at that-- and a solipsistic way of interpreting what we know pro and con. 

If you want to say "well if it were me, I wouldn't play" and support individuals players choosing to sit out, that is perfectly reasonable. 

If you want to say "if it were me, I wouldn't play, so no one should be allowed to play", then there's not really anything for you and I to discuss; that is an intractable difference of opinion. 

If you want me to Internet this up and say "FUCK YOU FUCKER I'D FUCKING PLAY!!!!!" I can do that, but this is sort of a last-gasp attempt at having a nice discussion on Surly like the ones I'm having with js1 and ChiTownDoc.

Oh honey you wish we were having some kind of conversation 

 

[Bartles 769]

They had to do that. Can't ask these guys/girls to endure all this shit with no reward. Next year will be messy either way, with high school kids not having full seasons, etc.

[ztejas 43475]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh honey you wish we were having some kind of conversation 

 

Yet you're keeping the conversation going by responding to 50 hour old posts.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

On 8/17/2020 at 10:19 AM, SwanderedTalent said:

Hold still for a minute, stop squirming. I said that what I would think if my life were at risk was meaningless in the context of discussing whether we should play college football, and it is. It's an appeal to emotion-- a hypothetical one at that-- and a solipsistic way of interpreting what we know pro and con. 

If you want to say "well if it were me, I wouldn't play" and support individuals players choosing to sit out, that is perfectly reasonable. 

If you want to say "if it were me, I wouldn't play, so no one should be allowed to play", then there's not really anything for you and I to discuss; that is an intractable difference of opinion. 

If you want me to Internet this up and say "FUCK YOU FUCKER I'D FUCKING PLAY!!!!!" I can do that, but this is sort of a last-gasp attempt at having a nice discussion on Surly like the ones I'm having with js1 and ChiTownDoc.

Look man, I like you as a poster and agree with you way more that I disagree.

ill say that -for me- the process has seemed rushed and obviously seriously lacked leadership. There is absolutely NO acceptable body count for any sport. That’s not me, that’s the literal process of existing in our US society.
 

We can respectfully agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Trey3216 15347]

2 hours ago, Bartles said:

I want to ask people stop posting fringe nut jobs like Deace and C Travis, but I guess it's kind of instructive. This drumbeat of how it's all about fear of organizing is likely coming from a certain type of "believer". I won't cloak room this, just point out that I don't see a lot of very qualified local and national journalists touching the player organizing angle as a reason for not playing right now.

The organizing issues are real, but: some issues (revenue sharing) have been around for decades, so buying a few months time is pointless; some like NIL are already well underway and postponing fall football does nothing to prevent their progress; the players themselves are mainly demanding health protocols that are being addressed for the most part.

Also wish someone kept an accuracy rate of "little birdie told me" tweets, most are forgotten pretty quickly

You might then understand that some of the local and national journalists have a talking points bulletin from those that sign their paychecks to not upset the Apple cart.   
 

this is also a long game for the ESPN’s and Fox’s of the world to try and get out of some quite likely horrific contracts.  

[UncleSonny 6573]

19 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Wait....what?  Seniors could play a full season and then just come back?

 

Damn, that's the right thing to do but pretty wild. They are going to have to temporarily expand the scholarship limits for every team now, right?

2021 roster constructions are going to be all over the place. Lot of people are going to bail for the NFL but borderline guys will come back. Depending on scholarship limits you will also presumably see lots of guys getting processed. Transfers will also go up, everyone is getting an entire extra year to graduate without losing a year of eligibility on the field. Going to be a mess for a while. 

[Pam Cummings 9645]

Imagine thinking that OU would rather forego the season entirely and lose out on all that money because they might be mediocre this year(even though they are, right now, the favorite to win the Big 12 again), and thinking that somehow that is a smart or correct take.