College Football in 2020 in danger?

[ztejas 43538]

13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Will the janitorial staff cleaning up the locker room get the same level of care and treatment as the players? Nutrition/food people? Trainers? Equipment managers? Assistants?

Lots of invisible people whose deaths we won't really care about.

I agree that this is probably the biggest consideration. That's why I think it's silly that people are trying to do the math on how much of a danger it will be to the players. The players will be fine. And if you're trying to tell me that the players will not be okay then you shouldn't be okay with them playing football in the first place. The added risk is very little compared to what they will be doing outside of practice and games. They are already putting their health at significant risk by playing college football and potentially football after that.

We need to try and measure what the added risk is to the community as a whole. 

 

[notre dame joe 196]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I agree with you. I also agree with you for the most part about it being safer in general (especially if they can get the rapid testing developed by the NBA). I was simply pointing out that one has to make contact in football. And test can give false positives and false negatives, (depending on which test you use). So there is an increase risk there that some might squeak through the testing process and you could catch Covid. Is it likely? No. But if you hermit yourself in your off-campus apartment, go to class online, it would be safer than playing football. I understand that's not going to fucking happen with college students. 

 

Pretty much everything in the country is safer than playing football. 

 

The bottom line is that the college house partiers are actually safer than sequestered players. 

[kopp0e 1135]

The Huskers wanna get a call up from "jv" football..? Well come on down to XII...

Edited August 20, 2020 by kopp0e

[MotownHorn 1795]

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Football players are sequestered at hotels the Friday nights before a home game and on the road.   Saturday night is indeed a big party night IF it's a home game (particularly an afternoon game).  Look, I don't think you are wrong that players are more vulnerable to infection compared to your average joe 40 year old working from home that only goes to the store and occasional restaurant patio.  But on a relative basis, I'm pretty confident that football players will have significantly less contact with the rest of the student body if there is a season vs. if there is not a season.  That's the point.

It’s a dumb point though. Your point is basically that, to pick random numbers, 30% of players would get Rona from socializing without a season vs 15% from socializing with a season

It’s a fine point if you stop there. But if you continue and factor in that they will be in locker rooms and close contact with their teammates all week, and then in close contact with opponents on Saturdays (plus travel), that 15% who got it from socializing turns into 50% getting it with both socializing AND practice/games 

Obviously I’m making up numbers. But arguing they will get it less from socializing if there’s a season ignores the season’s effect on transmission overall

Edited August 20, 2020 by MotownHorn

[Skipper 6202]

25 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

It’s a dumb point though. Your point is basically that, to pick random numbers, 30% of players would get Rona from socializing without a season vs 15% from socializing with a season

It’s a fine point if you stop there. But if you continue and factor in that they will be in locker rooms and close contact with their teammates all week, and then in close contact with opponents on Saturdays (plus travel), that 15% who got it from socializing turns into 50% getting it with both socializing AND practice/games 

Obviously I’m making up numbers. But arguing they will get it less from socializing if there’s a season ignores the season’s effect on transmission overall

You aren't factoring in testing 3X per week to isolate positive cases.  And obviously anyone that becomes symptomatic in the interim would be tested and isolated as well.  It's not perfect but I stand by my hypothesis that a football player playing a season against others with the same testing protocols are less likely to become infected than if they cancelled the season and 18-22 year olds suddenly had 40+ extra hours to act like 18-22 year olds (including every single Thurs-Saturday night).

[kopp0e 1135]

Hmm... 

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by kopp0e

[mdmost 43052]

Helicopter parents. Just what we need in the Big 12!

[Nivek 16987]

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I think it would be cool to watch a Texas Alabama national championship game comprised of mostly fifth teamers and walk-ons.

I am cool with Colt McCoy finishing that game.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

11 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

Hmm... 

 

Lol.  I’m sure the B1G is scared.  ‘Ok, leave.  Bye.’

[Nivek 16987]

58 minutes ago, kopp0e said:

The Huskers wanna get a call up from "jv" football..? Well come on down to XII...

Nebraska can come back if they line up their AD and Boosters and literally kiss my ass on TV and forego a year's distribution.

[LTbear 4171]

7 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

The “age class” of college football players, fans, coaches, refs, managers, personnel, families, girlfriends etc is everyone.

 

You do realize that playing college football without bubbling increases spread between all of those groups, right?

You do realize that your own post suggested 1% of PLAYERS would die, leading to 16-17 player deaths, right?

 

So, again, what are the stats for the relevant age class, you illiterate dumbass?

Edited August 21, 2020 by LTbear

[FizzleFish 137]

On 8/17/2020 at 1:13 AM, Uncle Boobs said:

How can 50th be the ugliest when there are 200 countries?

 

And whats the deal with airline food?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2020 at 2:15 PM, gail the snail said:

Terrible. Fucking terrible.

Have you been to England? Sweet Christ, they're all hobbits with Jewel's teeth

 

[Deej 76925]

42 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Nebraska can come back if they line up their AD and Boosters and literally kiss my ass on TV and forego a year's distribution.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

 

 

[utee94 15863]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Helicopter parents. Just what we need in the Big 12!

We're Texas.  WE are the only helicopter parents allowed to push around the B12 dammit.

 

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Lol.  I’m sure the B1G is scared.  ‘Ok, leave.  Bye.’

Yeah sure, if Nebraska were the only program with parents and boosters pushing for it.  But, when the actual powerful programs like Ohio State are doing similar things, well... they can't just ignore it.

Ultimately I still don't think anybody will be playing football at the end of September, but the B1G can't act like it's just the Big Red headed stepchild that's acting unruly.

 

 

 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

4 minutes ago, utee94 said:

We're Texas.  WE are the only helicopter parents allowed to push around the B12 dammit.

 

Yeah sure, if Nebraska were the only program with parents and boosters pushing for it.  But, when the actual powerful programs like Ohio State are doing similar things, well... they can't just ignore it.

Ultimately I still don't think anybody will be playing football at the end of September, but the B1G can't act like it's just the Big Red headed stepchild that's acting unruly.

 

 

 

Yeah these are academic places with billions in endowments.  In the end they are not gonna be pushed around by chopper dad and orange slice mommy.  I’d happily bet on that. 

[utee94 15863]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah these are academic places with billions in endowments.  In the end they are not gonna be pushed around by chopper dad and orange slice mommy.  I’d happily bet on that. 

For sure.  But while they might think they can bully Nebraska, they absolutely must accommodate Ohio State.  And right now, the parents and boosters from those two programs are on the same page.  Let's remember, kids aren't enrolling at these fine institutions to Play School.

 

[Hurtlocker 2213]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah these are academic places with billions in endowments.  In the end they are not gonna be pushed around by chopper dad and orange slice mommy.  I’d happily bet on that. 

I'm not sure about the rest, but I think the orange slices may help.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21922]

Orange slices and cookies won us a national championship, well that and the greatest college football player of all time.

[Beau Vine 54432]

it would seem to me that a stable of bubbled sex partners, say, at a ratio of 10 to 1, would insure closure of any mineshaft gap.

@ArtBriles

[SaucyJack 3504]

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

5 minutes ago, utee94 said:

For sure.  But while they might think they can bully Nebraska, they absolutely must accommodate Ohio State.  And right now, the parents and boosters from those two programs are on the same page.  Let's remember, kids aren't enrolling at these fine institutions to Play School.

 

I don't think we are disagreeing much.  I think they'll placate those families or try to.  They may even tell them they're considering what they've said and blah blah blah.  I just know from being around some of those academic elitists in the B1G (I'm definitely an outsider that's not worthy) that they'll laugh at those parents when nobody is looking.  Also many of them don't like the tail wagging the dog...IE coaches/football programs with too much power.  This will all lead to a reckoning - let's be honest, it's stupid that football players are lumped in with the rest of the student athletes anyway (maybe hoops belongs as a distant second in that exclusive club) and it's only a matter of time before they organize and these schools have some sort of split between these power programs and the University itself.  I could be wrong but I don't see that trainwreck being avoided...

*God damn, that's a lot of verbal diarrhea.  Fucking wine is hitting harder than I thought. 

[Beau Vine 54432]

I don't think we are disagreeing much.  I think they'll placate those families or try to.  They may even tell them they're considering what they've said and blah blah blah.  I just know from being around some of those academic elitists in the B1G (I'm definitely an outsider that's not worthy) that they'll laugh at those parents when nobody is looking.  Also many of them don't like the tail wagging the dog...IE coaches/football programs with too much power.  This will all lead to a reckoning - let's be honest, it's stupid that football players are lumped in with the rest of the student athletes anyway (maybe hoops belongs as a distant second in that exclusive club) and it's only a matter of time before they organize and these schools have some sort of split between these power programs and the University itself.  I could be wrong but I don't see that trainwreck being avoided...
*God damn, that's a lot of verbal diarrhea.  Fucking wine is hitting harder than I thought. 

[BevoSwag 272]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

Make that forego 10 years distribution

Edited August 21, 2020 by BevoSwag

[mdmost 43052]

 

[hornian 5223]

11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

 

Aggy is going to count the forfeit as their first win. 

[Hagbard Celine 10923]

» NU hired two more sports psychologists — despite a hiring freeze — to help student-athletes work through the difficulties of losing a fall season.

https://omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/the-milk-has-been-spilled-bill-moos-big-ten-starting-to-plan-2021-football-season/article_0dff03ca-2597-51bc-b140-4042812ab87a.html

[ztejas 43538]

15 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

to help student-athletes work through the difficulties of losing a fall season

It was actually to help student-athletes face the depressing reality of playing at Nebraska.

Good cover, though. 

[mulletpelini 5216]

15 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

I think you missed my point. But perhaps trying to make humor out of both the Golden State killer and Penn State rape enabling, and word play with the Warriors on a thread about whether or not college football, was a bridge too far.

To my point, when college sports makes unethical decisions that hurt people and communities (Baylor, Penn St, Michigan St) at some point point, it will degrade their value and they’ll become targets, lose fans, lose credibility.

 

[mulletpelini 5216]

2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

» NU hired two more sports psychologists — despite a hiring freeze — to help student-athletes work through the difficulties of losing a fall season.

https://omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/the-milk-has-been-spilled-bill-moos-big-ten-starting-to-plan-2021-football-season/article_0dff03ca-2597-51bc-b140-4042812ab87a.html

as contagious as the bubonic plague.....

[tonedeaf 56]

22 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

My aunt died a few months ago.  We are 99% certain she died of COVID, but her death was listed as a heart attack on her death certificate because the ME refused to do an autopsy.  So it evens out.

Hmmm....very odd. I am surprised the ME refused to do an autopsy.  Based on your 99% assumption she was a covid death, I assume she tested positive at some point in time.  It seems these days that covid deaths fits the agenda of the day.  No one seems to be dying from diabetes, heart disease, liver/kidney disease or even good ole cancer.  You know, the regular things that used to kill people.  Any way, sorry about your aunt.  Best of everything to you.  

[927 E. 41st 1124]

48 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

It seems these days that covid deaths fits the agenda of the day.  No one seems to be dying from diabetes, heart disease, liver/kidney disease or even good ole cancer.

Talk about your 99% assumption.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

51 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

It seems these days that covid deaths fits the agenda of the day.  No one seems to be dying from diabetes, heart disease, liver/kidney disease or even good ole cancer.  You know, the regular things that used to kill people.  

Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March compared to past years.

Guess its possible cancer and heart disease are just really bad in 2020.

[Huckleberry 33099]

53 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

Hmmm....very odd. I am surprised the ME refused to do an autopsy.  Based on your 99% assumption she was a covid death, I assume she tested positive at some point in time.  It seems these days that covid deaths fits the agenda of the day.  No one seems to be dying from diabetes, heart disease, liver/kidney disease or even good ole cancer.  You know, the regular things that used to kill people.  Any way, sorry about your aunt.  Best of everything to you.  

[Valmy77 13273]

1 hour ago, tonedeaf said:

Hmmm....very odd. I am surprised the ME refused to do an autopsy.  Based on your 99% assumption she was a covid death, I assume she tested positive at some point in time.  It seems these days that covid deaths fits the agenda of the day.  No one seems to be dying from diabetes, heart disease, liver/kidney disease or even good ole cancer.  You know, the regular things that used to kill people.  Any way, sorry about your aunt.  Best of everything to you.  

Take this nonsense someplace else, this has nothing to do with College Football.

[Revolution512 1495]

Seems like he read half an article or something. It’s the missed screenings that concern doctors for future deaths

[Bartles 769]

This Big Ten parent protest is bizarre. Why would anyone physically be working at the league office these days anyway? Why would the commissioner every really need to go to the office?

 

[Al_4_ISU 12486]

Just now, Bartles said:

This Big Ten parent protest is bizarre. Why would anyone physically be working at the league office these days anyway? Why would the commissioner every really need to go to the office?

 

It's 2020.  <shrug>

[Bartles 769]

Guess they are mainly doing it for media attention, which makes some sense from their perspective

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

5 minutes ago, Bartles said:

This Big Ten parent protest is bizarre. Why would anyone physically be working at the league office these days anyway? Why would the commissioner every really need to go to the office?

 

I told that fuck down at the league office...who’s in charge of scheduling?

[ztejas 43538]

17 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I told that fuck down at the league office...who’s in charge of scheduling?

I DON'T ROLL ON SHABBAS

[Hurtlocker 2213]

26 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Guess they are mainly doing it for media attention, which makes some sense from their perspective

 

Grabbing all the news then not showing up on the field is the Big Ten way.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

18 hours ago, Hpara759 said:

 

 

 

I don’t want to be an instigator and get into a full debate, because this is not a right/wrong issue. I just putting the most weight in the end on the institutions responsibility to put the students safety first. That’s not to say Blane Irby type shit doesn’t happen, however there is a commitment from the entire community that when tragedy happens there are changes to rules/equipment/physical evaluation. No one shrugs their shoulders and says “welp, we all knew there would be casualties”.

Let me use this analogy. One side says the virus is like a shark in the ocean and the players are like surfers. Its rare but sometimes surfers get bit by sharks. It’s part of the environment and it’s unfortunate, you take steps to avoid it but sometimes shit happens. 

I see it more like walking into a Swimming and Diving Meet and just before they begin, someone dumps a shark into the pool. I’d like someone to get the fucking shark out of the pool so we can continue the competition. Or- if we must proceed, we could at least wait til the shark is at the other side of the pool before we dive in (2 weeks between games)?

Like I said, it’s not a right or wrong issue and I think the season could happen without issue with strong and commited leadership. I haven’t seen that so far so if I’m going to error I’d rather error on the side safety. It’s not necessarily because I think the virus is going to kill everyone, I just don’t thing everyone has their shit together.
 

[aggie08 21532]

52 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Purely coincidental!

[nnm 36648]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Purely coincidental!

No, no, you missed the ‘Murica memo. All those excess deaths are actually CAUSED by the lockdowns created by the conspiracy between the fear porn media and totalitarian government. Those people didn’t die from C19, they died because they were isolated and afraid to seek medical attention. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by nnm

[MNLonghornFUKM 8822]

Guess they are mainly doing it for media attention, which makes some sense from their perspective
 

Jon trying to get the creep shot on the reporter who’s sweater is ever so conveniently held up by her ear piece cord

[ztejas 43538]

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Purely coincidental!

 

5 minutes ago, nnm said:

No, no, you missed the ‘Murica memo. All those excess deaths are actually CAUSED by the lockdowns created by the conspiracy between the fear porn media and totalitarian government. Those people didn’t die from C19, they died because they were isolated and afraid to seek medical attention. 

I know this is probably a lost cause, but can we not go like 100% political in here? Just neg these idiots and move on.

[Hurtlocker 2213]

14 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Jon trying to get the creep shot on the reporter who’s sweater is ever so conveniently held up by her ear piece cord

[Jack Wilson 313]

10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

 

I know this is probably a lost cause, but can we not go like 100% political in here? Just neg these idiots and move on.

No, no, you've got to narrow it down. If we negged all the idiots, there wouldn't be a Surl. 

[kopp0e 1135]