College Football in 2020 in danger?

[4th&Five 41457]

Due to local goverment guidelines, contact tracing, not positive results of conducted COVID-19 tests on football players and staff members, led to the decision to cancel the game. Because of the guidelines in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game as a direct result of contact tracing and not due to positive COVID-19 tests, the source said.

Several Baylor players who were set to miss the game did not receive a single positive test, and despite also receiving multiple negative tests in the same time frame, were not allowed to return to team activities because of local regulations in place for contact tracing.

Big 12 programs are required to test athletes three times during game weeks to best monitor developing cases. Because of that rule in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game against Houston despite the potential of having up to six negative COVID-19 tests over the last two weeks.

An additional frustration, according to the source, comes from the inability to restest athletes who test positive for COVID-19. The inability to retest prevents checking for false-positive results which have been a regular occurence when testing for the virus.

[Js1 85056]

Maybe COVID was wearing a short skirt and drinking at parties. 

[BrazilHorn 6576]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe COVID was wearing a short skirt and drinking at parties. 

She didn't realize that those were some bad dudes.

[pops 6972]

5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Due to local goverment guidelines, contact tracing, not positive results of conducted COVID-19 tests on football players and staff members, led to the decision to cancel the game. Because of the guidelines in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game as a direct result of contact tracing and not due to positive COVID-19 tests, the source said.

Several Baylor players who were set to miss the game did not receive a single positive test, and despite also receiving multiple negative tests in the same time frame, were not allowed to return to team activities because of local regulations in place for contact tracing.

Big 12 programs are required to test athletes three times during game weeks to best monitor developing cases. Because of that rule in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game against Houston despite the potential of having up to six negative COVID-19 tests over the last two weeks.

An additional frustration, according to the source, comes from the inability to restest athletes who test positive for COVID-19. The inability to retest prevents checking for false-positive results which have been a regular occurence when testing for the virus.

if only Waco was as strict with rape as they are with the rona. 

[texasstrong12 4668]

With all these cancellations/postponements shouldn't teams be playing during their bye week if both teams are capable? 

If Texas and Tech both looked capable of playing this past Sunday seems like they should move the timeline up on these games. Still get a week to prepare. 

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Baylor saw what the sun belt did to the Big 12 and took the TCU route

[mdmost 42775]

5 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

With all these cancellations/postponements shouldn't teams be playing during their bye week if both teams are capable? 

If Texas and Tech both looked capable of playing this past Sunday seems like they should move the timeline up on these games. Still get a week to prepare. 

 

No. Any games that are played right now is gravy. It's also the carrot that teams can use to keep their players in line. You do what you're supposed to do with the protocols then you get the reward of playing. You f around, you don't get to play. 

[Chet Steadman 940]

No positive tests but being required to cancel because of contact tracing?

lulz, well that’s a lot of bullshit. 

[Guest Lobo]

5 minutes ago, Chet Steadman said:

No positive tests but being required to cancel because of contact tracing?

lulz, well that’s a lot of bullshit. 

Yep.  Eight months into this thing and most of the people publicly stating the term "contact tracing" have no idea what it actually means, and sure as shit no idea how to accurately deploy it.  

[Js1 85056]

 

[Hagbard Celine 10734]

what is the "inability to test" mean?  i don't get that.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Yep.  Eight months into this thing and most of the people publicly stating the term "contact tracing" have no idea what it actually means, and sure as shit no idea how to accurately deploy it.  

I’ve known one person who’s tested positive for the Covid. This was about a month ago. He said contact tracing was a joke, at least in his case in MN. I’m not sure if they asked him the questions on who he’s seen or if he gave them a list of who he’s been around. Sounded like they just asked him and all of his answers were “no i haven’t seen them”

 

 

It sure as hell doesn’t sound like it’s going the way you, I, or anyone else envisioned it would go

[Valmy77 13092]

I don't think simply by playing we are prioritizing football over safety. We are all spending millions on player safety.

I do question having fans in the stadium but that shouldn't hurt the players.

I hope the PAC 12 starts up at some point, even if it is November or something. Those Washington State games in a blizzard would be entertaining.

Edited September 18, 2020 by Valmy77

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

I don't think simply by playing we are prioritizing football over safety. We are all spending millions on player safety.

I do question having fans in the stadium but that shouldn't hurt the players.

I hope the PAC 12 starts up at some point, even if it is November or something. Those Washington State games in a blizzard would be entertaining.

Wazzu loses its moxie without Mike leach. Actually the whole conference does

[Guest Lobo]

3 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I’ve known one person who’s tested positive for the Covid. This was about a month ago. He said contact tracing was a joke, at least in his case in MN. I’m not sure if they asked him the questions on who he’s seen or if he gave them a list of who he’s been around. Sounded like they just asked him and all of his answers were “no i haven’t seen them”

 

 

It sure as hell doesn’t sound like it’s going the way you, I, or anyone else envisioned it would go

Your post made me think of Contract Tracing in 2020 America as basically a Cheech & Chong sketch.  

"We think Dave may contracted the Covid-19 virus and possible exposed you.  May we test you?"

"Who?  Dave?  Nah man, Dave's not here."  

Disconcerting that we had an almost 6% positivity rate among students at the game. 

[Valmy77 13092]

3 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Wazzu loses its moxie without Mike leach. Actually the whole conference does

True but I do like bad weather football.

[UTEX90 584]

43 minutes ago, pops said:

if only Waco was as strict with rape as they are with the rona. 

 

50 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Due to local goverment guidelines, contact tracing, not positive results of conducted COVID-19 tests on football players and staff members, led to the decision to cancel the game. Because of the guidelines in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game as a direct result of contact tracing and not due to positive COVID-19 tests, the source said.

Several Baylor players who were set to miss the game did not receive a single positive test, and despite also receiving multiple negative tests in the same time frame, were not allowed to return to team activities because of local regulations in place for contact tracing.

Big 12 programs are required to test athletes three times during game weeks to best monitor developing cases. Because of that rule in place, multiple Baylor players were set to miss the game against Houston despite the potential of having up to six negative COVID-19 tests over the last two weeks.

An additional frustration, according to the source, comes from the inability to restest athletes who test positive for COVID-19. The inability to retest prevents checking for false-positive results which have been a regular occurence when testing for the virus.

Does "local government guidelines" mean county or city officials in Waco have implemented this plan?   If so I guess all of Baylor's games this year will be on the road.

[Hank_Hill 18457]

They'll just start covering up who the football players made contact (consensual or otherwise) with, same as it ever was.

[mdmost 42775]

 

[Don Johnson 4744]

This new narrative is funny.  The Big 10 didn't wait on jack shit.  They cancelled their season on August 11.  There is one conference that didn't overreact and cancel early, yet also didn't damn the torpedo's and play Labor Day weekend like everyone thought they would.  They waited a few weeks see how the NFL and other conferences would do before starting.  But no one can give them credit for that, because they are the redneck villains.  But we can act like the Big 10's plan was soooo smart.

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by Don Johnson

[KYHorn 16808]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

what is the "inability to test" mean?  i don't get that.

Yeah, surely the NCAA or Big 12 doesn't say "once you get a positive, you can't test again to double check!"... right? If you're testing 125 players 3 times a week, you're going to get lots of false positives that should be retested, and therefore, lots of false contact tracing quarantines (the merits of which are worthy of discussion itself).

[Don Johnson 4744]

This just defies logic

 

[BrazilHorn 6576]

52 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Your post made me think of Contract Tracing in 2020 America as basically a Cheech & Chong sketch.  

"We think Dave may contracted the Covid-19 virus and possible exposed you.  May we test you?"

"Who?  Dave?  Nah man, Dave's not here."  

Disconcerting that we had an almost 6% positivity rate among students at the game. 

Except for the fact that due to testing and not allowing them into the stadium if test was positive those 6% weren't at the game. (Provided you are speaking about UT game it was closer to 8% actually)

I view as positive that these students were caught prior to being allowed to attend.  Given that universities have chosen to allow students on campus and in dorms etc there should be no shock that there will be cases. Ample testing and quarantining upon positive is best case in this situation. Sending positive kids home is worst. Interesting thing is for UT is that ~8% of kids who wanted to go to game tested positive but since June 7th of the 8,157 tests UT has administered to students/faculty/staff on campus only 1.9% have tested positive. Makes you wonder if the higher pos rate is due to the kids that want to go to games being more social etc (thus putting themselves at higher risk of catching CV19).

[notre dame joe 172]

3 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

The obvious parts of California, I get. But what does Oregon/Washington/Arizona bring to the table during football season that is so different?

The NW teams have some of that tribal support for their schools.  You just don't hear about it much because of a dearth of local talent keeps them out of the headlines.

 

in arizona the real sport is women.

[DanRydell 799]

This just defies logic
 

It defies logic if the exposure was 12 days ago but he conspicuously doesn’t say that

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

This new narrative is funny.  The Big 10 didn't wait on jack shit.  They cancelled their season on August 11.  There is one conference that didn't overreact and cancel early, yet also didn't damn the torpedo's and play Labor Day weekend like everyone thought they would.  They waited a few weeks see how the NFL and other conferences would do before starting.  But no one can give them credit for that, because they are the redneck villains.  But we can act like the Big 10's plan was soooo smart.
 

Stewie doubled down saying they should’ve probably held off a month damn well knowing had the other 3 followed suit..they weren’t waiting for damn rapid testing. Oct 24 was never in their plans if the other 3 jumped off the cliff with them

[utee94 15742]

17 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

Except for the fact that due to testing and not allowing them into the stadium if test was positive those 6% weren't at the game. (Provided you are speaking about UT game it was closer to 8% actually)

I view as positive that these students were caught prior to being allowed to attend.  Given that universities have chosen to allow students on campus and in dorms etc there should be no shock that there will be cases. Ample testing and quarantining upon positive is best case in this situation. Sending positive kids home is worst. Interesting thing is for UT is that ~8% of kids who wanted to go to game tested positive but since June 7th of the 8,157 tests UT has administered to students/faculty/staff on campus only 1.9% have tested positive. Makes you wonder if the higher pos rate is due to the kids that want to go to games being more social etc (thus putting themselves at higher risk of catching CV19).

Yes, this is what I speculated last week when the news came out, and it is absolutely my assumption that this is true.

The types of kids that are willing to go mingle with 25,000 other people in a stadium, are the ones that are going to be more social anyway, and are more likely to have crossed paths with other positive cases.

Edited September 18, 2020 by utee94

[UTEX90 584]

27 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic

 

I still do not understand who/what was actually responsible for the game to be postponed.   "Local government officials" would appear to be city or county officials and their contact tracing guidelines.  This kind of crap could affect the whole Big XII.  It doesn't appear to be a Big XII guideline that cause the postponement.  If it is a Waco thing games should not be scheduled to be played there because it seems an impossible hill to climb.

[kopp0e 1135]

31 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic

 

Well, that sounds hopeful in completing a 10 game season/ conference championship game & CFP birth.?! 😐

[Brothahorn 10085]

This new narrative is funny.  The Big 10 didn't wait on jack shit.  They cancelled their season on August 11.  There is one conference that didn't overreact and cancel early, yet also didn't damn the torpedo's and play Labor Day weekend like everyone thought they would.  They waited a few weeks see how the NFL and other conferences would do before starting.  But no one can give them credit for that, because they are the redneck villains.  But we can act like the Big 10's plan was soooo smart.
 

Mandel is a chickenshit hack.

[Monster 219]

52 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic  (Baylor vs Houston cancellation)

The logic is this.  

"We can cancel whatever we want, whenever we feel like it.  We don't need a reason.  You will accept the "New Normal™" or we'll keep cancelling things for as long as we feel like it.  Might be months.  Might be years.  Covid-20, Covid-21, Covid-22 are ready to go, if needed."

This will continue until individual communities reject the New Normal™.    

Edited September 18, 2020 by Monster

[utee94 15742]

3 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

Mandel is a chickenshit hack.

It's so weird, it's like he's on the B1G's payroll or something, he's such an apologist.  

[Burt Macklin 18988]

42 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic

 

Someone else brought it up earlier, but what do they mean by contract tracing and what authority is enforcing it? I’m assuming they’re meaning that a player who’s been exposed to another person who tested positive is required to isolate for a certain number of days, which is not what contract tracing means at all but that seems to be how they’re using the term. 
 

I’ve definitely talked to friends who had a doctor tell them to isolate for 14 days after exposure, regardless of whether they test negative, but I don’t think I’ve seen or heard that be strictly enforced by a jurisdictional authority. 

[South Austin 52037]

54 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic

 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21780]

16 minutes ago, Monster said:

The logic is this.  

"We can cancel whatever we want, whenever we feel like it.  We don't need a reason.  You will accept the "New Normal™" or we'll keep cancelling things for as long as we feel like it.  Might be months.  Might be years.  Covid-20, Covid-21, Covid-22 are ready to go, if needed."

This will continue until individual communities reject the New Normal™.    

Is this you?

 

[Don Johnson 4744]

1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

This just defies logic

 

Concerning the spread of CV-19, I would be more comfortable letting this player cough in my 70+ year old parents faces than them going out to dinner at a restaurant.  And I don't have a problem with them going out to a restaurant.  

 

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

This new narrative is funny.  The Big 10 didn't wait on jack shit.  They cancelled their season on August 11.  There is one conference that didn't overreact and cancel early, yet also didn't damn the torpedo's and play Labor Day weekend like everyone thought they would.  They waited a few weeks see how the NFL and other conferences would do before starting.  But no one can give them credit for that, because they are the redneck villains.  But we can act like the Big 10's plan was soooo smart.

 

His twitter profile picture makes me want to split his head open with a sand wedge.  

[DanRydell 799]

33 minutes ago, UTEX90 said:

I still do not understand who/what was actually responsible for the game to be postponed.   "Local government officials" would appear to be city or county officials and their contact tracing guidelines.  This kind of crap could affect the whole Big XII.  It doesn't appear to be a Big XII guideline that cause the postponement.  If it is a Waco thing games should not be scheduled to be played there because it seems an impossible hill to climb.

I have no idea why it's being reported as local government officials because the Big 12 rules require 14 days quarantines after exposure (Lincoln Riley has been complaining about it this week). 

[Trey3216 15325]

2 minutes ago, DanRydell said:

I have no idea why it's being reported as local government officials because the Big 12 rules require 14 days quarantines after exposure (Lincoln Riley has been complaining about it this week). 

This is what it was.  Seems it was the Big XII rules that cancelled the game.   A Baylor trainer is the one who tested positive, and they were the trainer that works specifically with OL, DL, and LB’s, meaning all of those kids would have to quarantine since they contact traced to that trainer.   Never mind that they have been tested all week and are negative.   
 

they fell below the conference threshold for competitively fielding a team, even though the players haven’t tested positive.   Unreal 

[aggie08 21380]

33 minutes ago, Monster said:

The logic is this.  

"We can cancel whatever we want, whenever we feel like it.  We don't need a reason.  You will accept the "New Normal™" or we'll keep cancelling things for as long as we feel like it.  Might be months.  Might be years.  Covid-20, Covid-21, Covid-22 are ready to go, if needed."

This will continue until individual communities reject the New Normal™.    

Imagine typing this and thinking, "Yep, that's super clever."

[Don Johnson 4744]

How do you let close contact happen to the point where it could wipe out a position group?  Its defined as:

NCAA guidelines say that players who have been in contact with individuals who test positive for 15 minutes without face coverings are deemed to have been in "high-risk" contact. Those individuals are required to quarantine for 14 days. Players who test positive must sit out for 10 days and be symptom-free for three days.

You know Nick Saban has someone in charge of making sure no two players are close together without masks for longer than 14 minutes and 59 seconds.  You rotate guys around.  Do this drill with masks with these guys, this drill without masks, etc.  then do it with a different group.  And when in doubt, you lie about how much close contact you had outside of the football facility.

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by Don Johnson

[Burt Macklin 18988]

59 minutes ago, Monster said:

The logic is this.  

"We can cancel whatever we want, whenever we feel like it.  We don't need a reason.  You will accept the "New Normal™" or we'll keep cancelling things for as long as we feel like it.  Might be months.  Might be years.  Covid-20, Covid-21, Covid-22 are ready to go, if needed."

This will continue until individual communities reject the New Normal™.    

This may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here or shaggy, and your horrible copy/paste job is the icing on the cake. Bravo.

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

His twitter profile picture makes me want to split his head open with a sand wedge.  

It’s a trait every coronabro carries

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

42 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

This is what it was.  Seems it was the Big XII rules that cancelled the game.   A Baylor trainer is the one who tested positive, and they were the trainer that works specifically with OL, DL, and LB’s, meaning all of those kids would have to quarantine since they contact traced to that trainer.   Never mind that they have been tested all week and are negative.   
 

they fell below the conference threshold for competitively fielding a team, even though the players haven’t tested positive.   Unreal 

Thanks for the explanation. Can we go ahead and ducking fix this?  Before conference play?  

[Post Oak 20182]

Be grateful for every game Texas plays this year.  Who knows when the next one will be

[JFKFC 4878]

1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

Concerning the spread of CV-19, I would be more comfortable letting this player cough in my 70+ year old parents faces than them going out to dinner at a restaurant.  And I don't have a problem with them going out to a restaurant.  

 

You are fine with your 70 year old parents going to a restaurant? That is a shocking statement. The evidence that restaurants are a key component to the spread of Covid-19 is overwhelming. 

This is where we are in our country. This is why college football is in shambles, and why so many games will have to be cancelled/postponed.

So many of you don't value evidence and facts. And when people don't value evidence and facts, there is no evidence and facts you can present to them to convince them to value evidence and facts.

 

South Korea values evidence and facts. South Korea listens to the advice of scientists. South Korea followed the pandemic playbook that was invented in the US.

The leadership in Texas doesn't follow the advice of scientists.  

 

South Korea's population = 52 million. They have 377 dead from Covid-19.

Texas has a population of 29 million. Texas has almost 15,000 dead.

 

When Texas/OU gets cancelled, remember, this is why.

[JBJ 3647]

25 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Thanks for the explanation. Can we go ahead and ducking fix this?  Before conference play?  

This.  If you test negative at least twice after exposure, there should be no sitting out.

[dcar00 14023]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

It's so weird, it's like he's on the B1G's payroll or something, he's such an apologist.  

gotta keep those lines of communication open!

[dcar00 14023]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

This.  If you test negative at least twice after exposure, there should be no sitting out.

especially the 2 tests are 4-5 days apart.  you are going to have symptoms within 3-5 days most likely

[Tex Pete 20136]

6 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

You are fine with your 70 year old parents going to a restaurant? That is a shocking statement. The evidence that restaurants are a key component to the spread of Covid-19 is overwhelming.

Are you positive? Nashville just got caught hiding the facts about cases in restaurants there. Seems to me that there is a ton of bullshit from both sides floating around out there.