College Football in 2020 in danger?

[BradInATX 9208]

Before you call everyone an idiot for disagreeing with your viewpoints, you should do a little research, on the “overwhelming science”.
Masks are useful for some situations to help prevent spread of the disease, if that’s the goal. There is also the “overwhelming science” of herd immunity, which has helped in control and even elimination of serious viral illnesses.
Are you a “herd immunity denier?” Or “anti-herder”. Ad hominem attacks don’t strengthen your position.
There have been examples of successful strategies utilizing strict lockdown controls ( New Zealand, South Korea) and full opposite , (Sweden, South Dakota.) The best strategy will likely take a lot of time to unravel.
Using masks around susceptible/ vulnerable populations appears to be useful, but allowing the development of herd immunity in the rest of the population also can control the disease.  
I wish people who use “science “in their arguments would use all science, not just those elements that serve their position or allow them to attack opposing views.
 

I've done plenty of research. I do data and research professionally. I'm neither a "herder" or an anti-herder or whatever dumb buckets the internet has created for stupid people. The jury is still out on that one and we lack data to make any sort of definitive call on herd immunity.

However, there is plenty of data and evidence on masks. If you're still here unsure of whether masks work or not, then you're either disingenuous or stupid, neither of which will change. So I'm not going to waste my time. But enjoy rolling around in the mud with the hillbilly morons that your thesaurus words will impress.

[mdmost 42827]

 

[BurntOrange&White 39566]

Mask are violating my rights!!!!!!!!

[Tex Pete 20156]

5 hours ago, Js1 said:

No dude we have to consider both sides. I mean, our knowledge of a brand new virus has changed so much in 6 months but you see, science is what it is and should never change so we can’t say FOR SURE masks work.  /Tex Pete

Not at all what I said. 

[El Squared 1792]

6 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Sounds like something that someone who doesn’t listen to the science would say.

Yes, you do.

[El Squared 1792]

5 hours ago, BradInATX said:

 

 

I've done plenty of research. I do data and research professionally. I'm neither a "herder" or an anti-herder or whatever dumb buckets the internet has created for stupid people. The jury is still out on that one and we lack data to make any sort of definitive call on herd immunity.

However, there is plenty of data and evidence on masks. If you're still here unsure of whether masks work or not, then you're either disingenuous or stupid, neither of which will change. So I'm not going to waste my time. But enjoy rolling around in the mud with the hillbilly morons that your thesaurus words will impress.

 

I said nothing about masks not working,  as well as not knowing which strategy was best, (which you admitted) ,and I talked about the goals, so keep working on reading comprehension skills.

I called you out for being so absolute and inflexible  in your views and for ad hominem attacks on those that disagree with you.

Perhaps you should waste your time a bit more in this area of deficit. 

I called you out for being so absolute and inflexible  in your views and for ad hominem attacks on those that disagree with you.

[Newy25 7638]

6 hours ago, mdmost said:

 

It did not seem to slow them down. 

[Dennis Taylor 18690]

6 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Do as I say not as I do.  Good job coach 

Wtf does that mean? Power 5 head coaches are kinda known for taking their jobs seriously.  I'd be willing to bet he did nothing out of protocol.  And he's asymptomatic.. 

Saw on the ESPN crawl that David Ortiz was 'recovering ' from COVID-19, but is asymptomatic...what exactly is he recovering from then? This shit has jumped the shark

[CooterBrown 17901]

Saw on the ESPN crawl that David Ortiz was 'recovering ' from COVID-19, but is asymptomatic...what exactly is he recovering from then? This shit has jumped the shark

I’m not a doctor but it might be a good idea to recover from being contagious to others.

[Brothahorn 10085]

59 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Wtf does that mean? Power 5 head coaches are kinda known for taking their jobs seriously.  I'd be willing to bet he did nothing out of protocol.  And he's asymptomatic.. 

Saw on the ESPN crawl that David Ortiz was 'recovering ' from COVID-19, but is asymptomatic...what exactly is he recovering from then? This shit has jumped the shark

It means he was on the party bus with his old team.

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

Florida State HC is positive for Covid 

[Dennis Taylor 18690]

14 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Florida State HC is positive for Covid 

[Extra Anejo 99]

What is the over/under for Sept 26th Big12 games cancelled due to Covid?

[ChiTownDoc 21097]

On 9/18/2020 at 10:21 PM, Tex Pete said:

My point is that it’s hard to know what is and isn’t bullshit on either side. So much has changed since the start of all of this. 

True.  But the antimaskers are the worst.  Yelling at someone for wearing a mask?  Come the fuck on.  I’ll agree there’s a lot of BS out there and it’s a shitshow on both sides.  
 

 

[Bill Lumbergh 7168]

It did not seem to slow them down. 

The cake was baked?

[gmr548 16481]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:59 AM, Landomatic said:

No CR but the left coast

I don't know if this was intentional but I loled

[DenverHorn 56]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:57 AM, El Squared said:

Before you call everyone an idiot for disagreeing with your viewpoints, you should do a little research, on the “overwhelming science”.

Masks are useful for some situations to help prevent spread of the disease, if that’s the goal. There is also the “overwhelming science” of herd immunity, which has helped in control and even elimination of serious viral illnesses.

Are you a “herd immunity denier?” Or “anti-herder”. Ad hominem attacks don’t strengthen your position.

There have been examples of successful strategies utilizing strict lockdown controls ( New Zealand, South Korea) and full opposite , (Sweden, South Dakota.) The best strategy will likely take a lot of time to unravel.

Using masks around susceptible/ vulnerable populations appears to be useful, but allowing the development of herd immunity in the rest of the population also can control the disease.  

I wish people who use “science “in their arguments would use all science, not just those elements that serve their position or allow them to attack opposing views.

 

He's a fanatic with a room temperature IQ, don't waste your time.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

If Ebola ever gets a foothold here I vote you try the herd immunity approach

[DenverHorn 56]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:10 AM, BradInATX said:

On 9/19/2020 at 12:16 AM, DenverHorn said:

You are far from alone in your thoughts.  We are 2 years away from knowing what CV-19 is really all about.   A lot of people are really going to be surprised when the virus is finally mitigated and hard full cycle data is captured.  Everybody has a pretty strong opinion and there are only four "camps" to fall in with two making up 85% of the field.

Yeah, we won't really know what truly happened until we thoroughly investigate the anonymous comments on news articles!

 

It's one thing to lack the self awareness to realize you're drawing dead on a topic, but let it go and you show some respect for the deceased kid and his family.  Quit being a complete asshole of a human being.

[Steamboat1874 4032]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:57 AM, El Squared said:

Before you call everyone an idiot for disagreeing with your viewpoints, you should do a little research, on the “overwhelming science”.

Masks are useful for some situations to help prevent spread of the disease, if that’s the goal. There is also the “overwhelming science” of herd immunity, which has helped in control and even elimination of serious viral illnesses.

Are you a “herd immunity denier?” Or “anti-herder”. Ad hominem attacks don’t strengthen your position.

There have been examples of successful strategies utilizing strict lockdown controls ( New Zealand, South Korea) and full opposite , (Sweden, South Dakota.) The best strategy will likely take a lot of time to unravel.

Using masks around susceptible/ vulnerable populations appears to be useful, but allowing the development of herd immunity in the rest of the population also can control the disease.  

I wish people who use “science “in their arguments would use all science, not just those elements that serve their position or allow them to attack opposing views.

 

Austin has more people than the entire population of South Dakota and Texas has three times the population of the entire country of Sweden. Just saying.

[elguapo 4583]

Saw on the ESPN crawl that David Ortiz was 'recovering ' from COVID-19, but is asymptomatic...what exactly is he recovering from then? This shit has jumped the shark

The highly contagious virus that has killed 200k+ Americans to date?

[NoctambulantBrobdingnagian 530]

On 9/18/2020 at 12:22 PM, Newy25 said:

If you have to constantly tell other people how awesome your city or state is, it's not that awesome. 

Yea, I love Californians coming to flooding in to fleeing paradise to live in Austin Texas and telling everyone how things are done so much better in California without a hint of irony.

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

On 9/19/2020 at 10:57 AM, El Squared said:

Masks are useful for some situations to help prevent spread of the disease, if that’s the goal. There is also the “overwhelming science” of herd immunity, which has helped in control and even elimination of serious viral illnesses.

First off, please provide the science showing which serious viral illnesses that herd immunity has helped control or even eliminate without a vaccine. And when I say serious viral illness, I mean those which can cause death, not chickenpox.  There are two ways to achieve herd immunity. a large proportion of the population either gets infected or gets a protective vaccine. Since we don't have a vaccine, I'm assuming you mean let everyone under 60 get infected, is this correct?

Since every person who touts herd immunity brings up Sweden, they actually haven't really looked at what Sweden did and the actual results. 

Sweden had a lockdown. It wasn't as severe as some countries, but it did. Sweden closed universities, schools with pupils 15 and older, and anyone over 70 had to self-isolate. They also banned gathering larger than 50. This did not save the economy as you might propose. The economy is expected to contract by 4.5%

The death rate was enormous compares to neighboring countries. Sweden's death per million is 580.64. It's neighbors Norway (49.07), Finland (61.18), and Denmark (109.6) had significantly lower deaths. Everyone sees the 5,864 deaths in Sweden and think that's a low number, but you have to consider the 10.23 million population. 

But don't worry, if you haven't noticed, the US is pretty much doing the Sweden model right now. Old people are staying home, no crowds over 50 besides political rallies and churches, and biker rallies, and universities and schools are somewhat closes and somewhat open. And guess what else, we have a shit ton of deaths. Currently around 204,126 with no signs of stopping. But since there are a lot of people, it's going to take a lot more deaths and a lot more spread before we reach the 70% of the population needed to reach herd immunity. 

 

 

[gyroprotagonist 2591]

does everyone agree that the virus is transmitted via airborne particles?  if so, it does not take science to figure out that masks hinder airborne particles when they spew from your mouth.  If everyone hinders what spews from their mouths, then the virus has less chance of traveling to another person.  Less Chance.  Not 100% effective, but fewer people will contract the virus and fewer people will die as a result.

7 months in and there are still questions about whether masks will have an effect in slowing the spread of the virus.  Well, i guess it's why we still have drunk driving deaths when rideshare is 100% effective against that.

[orange dream 1240]

6 minutes ago, gyroprotagonist said:

does everyone agree ...

You lost me right here. ha ha 

It's like you've never been here before

[gyroprotagonist 2591]

1 hour ago, orange dream said:

You lost me right here. ha ha 

It's like you've never been here before

[Dennis Taylor 18690]

3 hours ago, elguapo said:

The highly contagious virus that has killed 200k+ Americans to date?

Don't you mean 200 million?

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[TrashMaster G 17385]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Gotta split up position groups on the plane.

[4th_and_18 687]

Why aren’t we flying on multiple planes then? We’re the fucking Jones or not?

[gyroprotagonist 2591]

2 minutes ago, 4th_and_18 said:

Why aren’t we flying on multiple planes then? We’re the fucking Jones or not?

I smell a net jets sponsorship for the skill players, #leverage 

[Landomatic 3813]

2 hours ago, gyroprotagonist said:

does everyone agree that the virus is transmitted via airborne particles?  if so, it does not take science to figure out that masks hinder airborne particles when they spew from your mouth.  If everyone hinders what spews from their mouths, then the virus has less chance of traveling to another person.  Less Chance.  Not 100% effective, but fewer people will contract the virus and fewer people will die as a result.

7 months in and there are still questions about whether masks will have an effect in slowing the spread of the virus.  Well, i guess it's why we still have drunk driving deaths when rideshare is 100% effective against that.

This video makes it pretty clear...

[Cornfusion 250]

On 9/19/2020 at 7:06 AM, BradInATX said:

It's amazing that we still have hillbillies that don't think masks help, despite mountains of evidence that they do. They're even on here, a place that skews more educated and intelligent than average. Just amazing. We live in idiot world.

 

 

This is from OSHA:  "Surgical masks are not designed or certified to prevent the inhalation of small airborne contaminants. These particles are not visible to the naked eye but may still be capable of causing infection. Surgical masks are not designed to seal tightly against the user’s face. During inhalation, much of the potentially contaminated air can pass through gaps between the face and the surgical mask and not be pulled through the filter material of the mask. Their ability to filter small particles varies significantly based upon the type of material used to make the surgical mask, so they cannot be relied upon to protect workers against airborne infectious agents."

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3219.pdf

So go fight it out with them.  I know it must be hard to always be the smartest person in the room.  Just announcing it constantly must be a drain.

[Trey3216 15325]

10 minutes ago, Cornfusion said:

This is from OSHA:  "Surgical masks are not designed or certified to prevent the inhalation of small airborne contaminants. These particles are not visible to the naked eye but may still be capable of causing infection. Surgical masks are not designed to seal tightly against the user’s face. During inhalation, much of the potentially contaminated air can pass through gaps between the face and the surgical mask and not be pulled through the filter material of the mask. Their ability to filter small particles varies significantly based upon the type of material used to make the surgical mask, so they cannot be relied upon to protect workers against airborne infectious agents."

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3219.pdf

So go fight it out with them.  I know it must be hard to always be the smartest person in the room.  Just announcing it constantly must be a drain.

Don't forget about the state of California telling everyone to stay inside their homes because masks don't prevent you from breathing in smoke.  Smoke particles are much larger than COVID.   

[BradInATX 9208]

This is from OSHA:  "Surgical masks are not designed or certified to prevent the inhalation of small airborne contaminants. These particles are not visible to the naked eye but may still be capable of causing infection. Surgical masks are not designed to seal tightly against the user’s face. During inhalation, much of the potentially contaminated air can pass through gaps between the face and the surgical mask and not be pulled through the filter material of the mask. Their ability to filter small particles varies significantly based upon the type of material used to make the surgical mask, so they cannot be relied upon to protect workers against airborne infectious agents."
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3219.pdf
So go fight it out with them.  I know it must be hard to always be the smartest person in the room.  Just announcing it constantly must be a drain.

Your contention is that something that isn't 100% effective is 0% effective?

Galaxy brain here folks. Masks don't prevent every case of Covid. Throw them away!

It's a shame your dad viewed condoms that way too.

[Cornfusion 250]

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Don't forget about the state of California telling everyone to stay inside their homes because masks don't prevent you from breathing in smoke.  Smoke particles are much larger than COVID.

I used to work in a electroplating lab, handling Caustic Potash, Caustic Soda, Potassium Cyanide, Chromic Acid Flakes and three other kinds of acid.  We DID NOT use a surgical mask, even though the dust, mist and particles were 20,000 bigger than the virus.  I was also state certified for asbestos removal, and I would have been fined for trying to use a surgical mask instead of half face respirator with N-100 cartridges.  

But hey, if wearing a half assed mask in a half assed way makes anybody feel better, then they should go for it.

[BradInATX 9208]

 

 

 

 

 

I used to work in a electroplating lab, handling Caustic Potash, Caustic Soda, Potassium Cyanide, Chromic Acid Flakes and three other kinds of acid.  We DID NOT use a surgical mask, even though the dust, mist and particles were 20,000 bigger than the virus.  I was also state certified for asbestos removal, and I would have been fined for trying to use a surgical mask instead of half face respirator with N-100 cartridges.   But hey, if wearing a half assed mask in a half assed way makes anybody feel better, then they should go for it. 

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This person is touting that he did not wear any sort of respiratory protection working with poisonous chemicals as if it's a positive or as if it's some sort of good point that he's making.

Idiot world.

 

 

 

 

[Cornfusion 250]

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Galaxy brain here folks. Masks don't prevent every case of Covid. Throw them away!

It's more like fencing in 75% of your pasture.  It doesn't keep the cattle in, it just takes longer for them to finally get out.  Nobody is going to NOT come into contact with the coronavirus by wearing a mask, it just might put it off until later.  Hence, the oft forgotten phrase, "Flattening the curve".

An idiot like me shouldn't have to school you geniuses.  I was wearing masks and respirators long before you became an expert on them by reading the internet.

[BradInATX 9208]

 

My goodness you are an irreedemably stupid person.

 

[Cornfusion 250]

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This person is touting that he did not wear any sort of respiratory protection working with poisonous chemicals as if it's a positive or as if it's some sort of good point that he's making.
Idiot world.

I didn't say I didn't wear respiratory protection.  I implied I would have been dead by now if I tried to protect myself with a surgical mask.  I used a half faced, dual filter respirator and a full facemask. 

I'm giving up.  I can't tutor you and debate you at the same time.

[Cornfusion 250]

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My goodness you are an irreedemably stupid person.

...but smart enough to turn on my spellchecker. 😄

Tell me again how you are the smart one, it gets old, but it's still good for a laugh...or as you would say, "luagh".

[General Specific 3231]

This is from OSHA:  "Surgical masks are not designed or certified to prevent the inhalation of small airborne contaminants. These particles are not visible to the naked eye but may still be capable of causing infection. Surgical masks are not designed to seal tightly against the user’s face. During inhalation, much of the potentially contaminated air can pass through gaps between the face and the surgical mask and not be pulled through the filter material of the mask. Their ability to filter small particles varies significantly based upon the type of material used to make the surgical mask, so they cannot be relied upon to protect workers against airborne infectious agents."
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3219.pdf
So go fight it out with them.  I know it must be hard to always be the smartest person in the room.  Just announcing it constantly must be a drain.

I guess some of you would use a pair of pliers to remove a screw. Sure, it can be done...

A surgical mask is designed to protect you (patent) from your doctors germs. The doctors spittle from entering the patient’s open wound. Do no harm.

Try to think of the mask as a condom. It’s not for stopping STDs or other bad things from getting in. Although it helps reduce the risk of that possibility as a side benefit. Its primary function is designed to keep your seed from spilling out. And even that is not 100%. YMMV

I’m not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn, once, with a nurse, but that’s another story for another time. End of rant.../s

[BradInATX 9208]

I didn't say I didn't wear respiratory protection.  I implied I would have been dead by now if I tried to protect myself with a surgical mask.  I used a half faced, dual filter respirator and a full facemask.  I'm giving up.  I can't tutor you and debate you at the same time.

 

A serious person does not contend that masks don't help prevent the spread of viruses. You are not a serious person and I'm not giving you serious person time or attention. My bad for misreading your post. Now go fuck off back to your Facebook with your anti-vax and flat Earth buddies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JMFP 1117]

Just now, Cornfusion said:

I didn't say I didn't wear respiratory protection.  I implied I would have been dead by now if I tried to protect myself with a surgical mask.  I used a half faced, dual filter respirator and a full facemask. 

I'm giving up.  I can't tutor you and debate you at the same time.

Forgive me for interrupting your public mask debating, but I think you are missing the point of wearing a mask. Your mask isn't there to keep you from breathing in the virus, it's there to keep you from coughing up your virus infected shit into the atmosphere. Or maybe I'm wrong.

[Sbbruin 21704]

 

[Wulaw Horn 18968]

2 minutes ago, General Specific said:

I guess some of you would use a pair of pliers to remove a screw. Sure, it can be done...

A surgical mask is designed to protect you (patent) from your doctors germs. The doctors spittle from entering the patient’s open wound. Do no harm.

Try to think of the mask as a condom. It’s not for stopping STDs or other bad things from getting in. Although it helps reduce the risk of that possibility as a side benefit. Its primary function is designed to keep your seed from spilling out. And even that is not 100%. YMMV

I’m not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn, once, with a nurse, but that’s another story for another time. End of rant.../s

Well, did you cum?

[Cornfusion 250]

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 Your mask isn't there to keep you from breathing in the virus, it's there to keep you from coughing up your virus infected shit into the atmosphere. 

That may be the point, but leaks go both ways.  Anybody who ever wore a respirator or a gas mask in the Army remembers the drill of covering the filters and then blowing hard to make sure you had your straps tight and a good seal.  I don't see anybody getting that with a surgical mask.  Hence, the OSHA blurb on them not being effective for airborne contaminants.

[BradInATX 9208]

"You can still get a concussion wearing a hardhat so if you wear a hardhat whilst doing construction you're an idiot!"

-Huge brains

[Neonmoon 38127]

10 minutes ago, Cornfusion said:

It's more like fencing in 75% of your pasture.  It doesn't keep the cattle in, it just takes longer for them to finally get out.  Nobody is going to NOT come into contact with the coronavirus by wearing a mask, it just might put it off until later.  Hence, the oft forgotten phrase, "Flattening the curve".

This is one the stupidest things I've seen posted. It truly is impressive. 

[Cornfusion 250]

Yeah, the Big Ten is in the backseat.  That doesn't leave much wiggle room for the Big XII.  Anything less than undefeated and it's over.