AMMO THREAD

[Armybrat 40850]

FedEx just dropped this off today. Glad I was at home before a porch pirate got to it...

 

[davidg 4038]

For anyone that reloads, assuming you can find the materials (big assumption), what price can you get to on that round? 9mm 124g 

Pre pandemic pricing when supplies were good

Brass - free range scrounge
Berry’s Plated 124gr RN -.09
Powder - .035
Primer - .03


Probably more like this now

Bullet - .012
Powder - .04
Primer - .08

[fattyflattie 4639]

So if I’m reading that right (think you have an extra 0 on pandemic bullets) it was 16c/per before, 24c/per now, and if I find a deal I can buy them for 36-38c/per.  
 

Im not that big into pistols but wanting to get either a 9 or 40 carbine at some point. Hoping ammo takes a dip someday but who knows. Might be like everything else, meet the new normal. 

[davidg 4038]

Yeah. There’s an extra zero in there. Pre pandemic might even be 2-3 cents lower.

For factory round I used to buy a ton of Winchester white box 100 packs at $26 for 9mm and $32-34 for 40. That was my go by for reloading or not but for a while ai was shooting 500-750 rnds/ month and I could spend a few nights on the press and punch out a bunch of rounds.

[Handcruser 2805]

So if I’m reading that right (think you have an extra 0 on pandemic bullets) it was 16c/per before, 24c/per now, and if I find a deal I can buy them for 36-38c/per.  
 
Im not that big into pistols but wanting to get either a 9 or 40 carbine at some point. Hoping ammo takes a dip someday but who knows. Might be like everything else, meet the new normal. 

Academy raised a bunch of prices on ammo in the past few weeks.

I see an ammo shortage in the near future - so buy now.

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

Not at all trying to make this political, but I do think it is an accurate observation to say that there are some parties in power in the federal government right now who think it is a good thing that ammo is harder to find and acquire and who are actively working to make it even harder. Or, to be generous, they are at the very least not worried about making it easier. 

Bottom line is, yes, I agree, more shortages are coming, at least as long as the executive branch is controlled by those who are hostile to private firearm ownership, maybe even longer if you consider the permanent bureaucracy. 

[Armybrat 40850]

The general consensus I see on the gun boards about the causes of the ammo shortage center around two things...

1) Panic-buying hoarders, plus millions of first time gun buyers (prompted by civil unrest & increased violent crime) grabbing everything in sight.
2) Basically, US ammo manufacturing is controlled by only two consortiums that have conspired to limit distribution to artificially create bare shelves, then raise prices while letting stocks trickle back to the retailers.
 

[davidg 4038]

39 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

The general consensus I see on the gun boards about the causes of the ammo shortage center around two things...

1) Panic-buying hoarders, plus millions of first time gun buyers (prompted by civil unrest & increased violent crime) grabbing everything in sight.
2) Basically, US ammo manufacturing is controlled by only two consortiums that have conspired to limit distribution to artificially create bare shelves, then raise prices while letting stocks trickle back to the retailers.
 

1)Yes

2) No

I believe the ammo manufacturers are blowing and going as strong as they can with whatever components/raw materials they are able to get.  The market is wide open right now for what ever the mfr's can make.  Doesn't matter, steel shotgun shells, 22lr, 30-06, 6.5 manbun. Whatever it is, it gets sold immediately.  Except for 350 Legend.  WhoTF has a gun in that caliber?

[Armybrat 40850]

Agreed about #2.....I only said that was the opinions stated on the gun boards. It wasn’t my own thought.

[fattyflattie 4639]

4 hours ago, davidg said:

1)Yes

2) No

I believe the ammo manufacturers are blowing and going as strong as they can with whatever components/raw materials they are able to get.  The market is wide open right now for what ever the mfr's can make.  Doesn't matter, steel shotgun shells, 22lr, 30-06, 6.5 manbun. Whatever it is, it gets sold immediately.  Except for 350 Legend.  WhoTF has a gun in that caliber?

Agree completely.  Also lol at manbun. Lol x2 at 350 legend.  Been completely stocked on the shelves around here since day 1.  

[Rumblefishstix 97]

Iirc you are in SC? So this wouldn’t help but for anyone else Carter’s in Houston had a bunch of large rifle primers recently. 

I am in south central ks. But if someone does have a solid lead on large rifle magnum primers next weekend I’ll drive to TX

[fattyflattie 4639]

3 hours ago, Rumblefishstix said:

I am in south central ks. But if someone does have a solid lead on large rifle magnum primers next weekend I’ll drive to TX

Give a call to Carter’s Country in Houston and see if they still have them. Should be 2 locations. 

[Gatorubet 30246]

Not at all trying to make this political, but I do think it is an accurate observation to say that there are some parties in power in the federal government right now who think it is a good thing that ammo is harder to find and acquire and who are actively working to make it even harder.

Hunter Biden stole mah bullets!!

[Gatorubet 30246]

Found some Speer Gold Dot 124 gr jhp 9mm for about 65 cents per. Delivered yesterday from Target Sports. Sucks, but better than nothing.

[fattyflattie 4639]

Midway just sent me a flyer for factory second bullets.  Just look at wad cutting 9/40 looks like you could really save some $$$ there.  Lots of rifle stuff available in packages of 1000, pistol stuff in packages of 100.  What I assume is good pricing for range ammo for you reloaders.

[Armybrat 40850]

Factory seconds?

What are they, square?

[fattyflattie 4639]

18 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Factory seconds?

What are they, square?

Apparently, discoloration.  

[GottaB 594]

Academy in RR had plenty of 9mm today. Brass blazer for $20

[Dutchrudder 11139]

I need to buy some 5.57 and 9mm sometime, not in a rush though. Have prices got any better? What's the best way to acquire some for storage and going to the range occasionally?

[RMac5 1551]

Academy in Amarillo had 9mm as well, they do have a 4 box limit. They had a bunch of 28G shotgun shells, $13/box.

[Fat Bastard 600]

Academy on Kirby/59 has loads of 556/9mm. So much so that they have surplus on a different shelf. 6.5CM and 300 BO though is a desert 

[fattyflattie 4639]

Academy in Amarillo had 9mm as well, they do have a 4 box limit. They had a bunch of 28G shotgun shells, $13/box.

Man we’re $14 on 28’s here. They did have a pretty robust selection in rifle ammo today. Picked up some 150g .308 core lokts for first time in well over a 18 months. Also, 4-5 selections for 300BO, 22-250, and even some 25-06.








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[RMac5 1551]

How much for the 30-30’s? I didn’t even look for those.  I have to many rifles, if that’s even possible.  My two favorite everyday calibers would be the 22-250 and the 30-30, kill everything that needs killin.

[davidg 4038]

Man we’re $14 on 28’s here. They did have a pretty robust selection in rifle ammo today. Picked up some 150g .308 core lokts for first time in well over a 18 months. Also, 4-5 selections for 300BO, 22-250, and even some 25-06.








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Pretty much what the Academy at 290/99 looked like yesterday.

And of course they have a shit ton of 350 Legend.

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, davidg said:

And of course they have a shit ton of 350 Legend.

350 Legend, 450BM, and 224VK shooters don’t even know there is a shortage.  Good to know about the 290/99 store, I stop by once every 2 weeks or so when I go into the office and they never have anything. At all. Y’all have some shooters that live up that way. 

Edited January 30, 2022 by fattyflattie

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, RMac5 said:

How much for the 30-30’s? I didn’t even look for those.  I have to many rifles, if that’s even possible.  My two favorite everyday calibers would be the 22-250 and the 30-30, kill everything that needs killin.

~24.99 iirc for the Winchester’s.  I bought a few boxes on monarch to try out a month or so ago for $21.   There was only 2 boxes of 22-250, I grabbed one.  I forgot to mention about but they did have 2 types of 6.5, which I haven’t seen in a good while.  I should have been stacking 300BO this whole time knowing one day I’d end up with one for the kid.  I grab a box whenever I go in now that I’ve got one in the mail.  In fact other than the core lokts at $27, the rest of those are all 24-25/box. 

[Handcruser 2805]

Midway just sent me a flyer for factory second bullets.  Just look at wad cutting 9/40 looks like you could really save some $$$ there.  Lots of rifle stuff available in packages of 1000, pistol stuff in packages of 100.  What I assume is good pricing for range ammo for you reloaders.

Norma shooting.com for 9mm.

[Handcruser 2805]

I need to buy some 5.57 and 9mm sometime, not in a rush though. Have prices got any better? What's the best way to acquire some for storage and going to the range occasionally?

Normashooting.com for 9mm.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

I think the 350 Legend is intended for states that have to use straight walled cartridges for deer. I assume they are harder to come by there. Not sure why they keep sending them here, or maybe it's just the same boxes on the shelves that have been there for months.

[Armybrat 40850]

11 hours ago, Handcruser said:

Norma shooting.com for 9mm.

Post #553 - that’s where I bought the 10 boxes... $16.84/50. - free shipping.

[williemackgarza 1826]

Academy in gtown had quite a bit of ammo yesterday. 270, 300 bo, 30/30, 380, 9mm, 40, 45, 357 mag, 22-250, 30-06.. bunch of stuff.

[Armybrat 40850]

Good to hear. I’d like to pick up some more .30-30, .38 Special, .357, and .380

[Gil Bang 25961]

4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Good to hear. I’d like to pick up some more .30-30, .38 Special, .357, and .380

Why is .38 so expensive?  Just not popular enough?

[Armybrat 40850]

Probably....less of it being produced because everybody wants 9mm or .45acp

[bigshark88 388]

So I think I'll put this here. I got a Guns & Ammo issue with a 28ga auto shotgun on the cover. Is it possible that the gun industry is totally tone deaf to its customer base? I haven't seen a box of 28ga shells on a shelf more than once in the past two years. Gun owners simply cannot go out and shoot like they did before the shortage. Regardless; the industry continues to promote new, even more rare or hard-to-get products. Seems like there's a major gulf between marketing goals and customer base reality.

[fattyflattie 4639]

1 hour ago, bigshark88 said:

So I think I'll put this here. I got a Guns & Ammo issue with a 28ga auto shotgun on the cover. Is it possible that the gun industry is totally tone deaf to its customer base? I haven't seen a box of 28ga shells on a shelf more than once in the past two years. Gun owners simply cannot go out and shoot like they did before the shortage. Regardless; the industry continues to promote new, even more rare or hard-to-get products. Seems like there's a major gulf between marketing goals and customer base reality.

There’s quite a bit of it on the shelves in Texas, and a bunch of posts on the gun owners thread talking about adding them to the collection. Im thinking of buying one (two actually, sxs and sa) because 410 is so damn hard to get now and expensive.  I’ve been doing all this years quail hunting with 410 but when I’m out, I’m out, and it’s 35-50$/box on gun broker. 28g is 13-14$/box here and plentiful. 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

28ga #9 is probably the only shotgun ammo that I never noticed as missing over the past two years. It has continued to be everywhere. 
 

And realize that this is the ammo thread but a 28ga semiauto is the perfect gun for teaching younger kids for whom 20 and 12 are still too big and heavy  

 

[RMac5 1551]

28g O/U is so damn fun to shoot, they are like a .22 rifle to me.

[Armybrat 40850]

Found three boxes of .410 at the bottom of one of my ammo crates...

 

[Armybrat 40850]

Bought it a few years back for the old Winchester Model 42 pump Grandpa gave me in 1956. (2nd from top)

 

[RMac5 1551]

Is that a 9422? I have one from the late 70’s, got it from my parents as a b-day gift or maybe it was Christmas.

[Armybrat 40850]

1 hour ago, RMac5 said:

Is that a 9422? I have one from the late 70’s, got it from my parents as a b-day gift or maybe it was Christmas.

Yes it is a  9422 XTR - Inherited it from my dad. 
Very smooth action.

[RMac5 1551]

Out of all of my guns, if I could only keep one of them it would be that .22. It’s such a quality rifle and the sentimental piece coming from my parents. Need to look up my SN and see when it was manufactured.  Looks like Winchester built the 9422 staring in 1972 an stopped in 2005. Mine is an XTR as well, those were only produced for about 11 years, 1978-1989.  I’m sure you @Armybrat already know all of this.

[Fat Bastard 600]

Academy at Voss/Westheimer was flush yesterday. Tons of 556/9mm/45. About 8 boxes of Hornady 6.5CM and shitload of 300 BO but only 6 boxes of SubX subsonic. I nabbed 4 of them. Too lazy to go back in and grab the other 2

[Fat Bastard 600]

Starting to look for shotgun shells. 20 gauge very hard to come by except in slugs. The academy above had boxes of Monarch but I generally consider them a trash brand only good enough to run through my AK. Their shotgun shells any good or nah?

[fattyflattie 4639]

30 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said:

Starting to look for shotgun shells. 20 gauge very hard to come by except in slugs. The academy above had boxes of Monarch but I generally consider them a trash brand only good enough to run through my AK. Their shotgun shells any good or nah?

What are you trying to do with them?  They'll probably go boom, but might be a bit dirty like the cheap Rios.  Need 410 to start trickling back out in a bad way. 

[Fat Bastard 600]

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

What are you trying to do with them?  They'll probably go boom, but might be a bit dirty like the cheap Rios.  Need 410 to start trickling back out in a bad way. 

Skeet, primarily 

[Handcruser 2805]

Skeet, primarily 

They’re fine for that. All the monarch stuff (brass in pistol/rifle) and shells are reliable.

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

12 hours ago, Fat Bastard said:

Starting to look for shotgun shells. 20 gauge very hard to come by except in slugs. The academy above had boxes of Monarch but I generally consider them a trash brand only good enough to run through my AK. Their shotgun shells any good or nah?

Monarchs are dirty, but they'll work. 

You can find plenty of other brands online for mail order (ie Ammoseek) but it will be more expensive, even if you can find free shipping. 

This isn't a terrible deal for the past 24 months for a decent shell for skeet, but with shipping it would still be about $3 more per box than the Monarch.

 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

Here is the Ammoseek link:

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/20-gauge

 

One thing to keep in mind is that Bass Pro / Cabelas very rarely updates their store inventory online anymore, and they don't sell stuff mail order anymore either, but I've heard that they are getting in-store inventory now for decent prices. Same as Walmart. You just have to take the time to go and look for it in person.