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12 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Revenge of the Kulaks - fighting against an imaginary Stalin. 

What a mishmash of ideology undergirding Trump's support. They are their own worst enemy. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

 

3 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Revenge of the Kulaks - fighting against an imaginary Stalin. 

What a mishmash of ideology undergirding Trump's support. They are their own worst enemy. 

 

Exactly.  It's not just that he's captured the ignorant white vote -- it's that they've got them voting against their own interests for the sole reason that he has convinced them that the ONLY thing they have to gain (and under his regime, he's actually right) is that we can make other people suffer slightly more than they are, and that's a WIN!

"He's hurting the wrong people" ring a bell?

It's nuts.  The GOP is now the party of the angry, heavily racist, uneducated white folks.  What a shitty demographic, motivated for shitty reasons.

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What the fuck are Democrats doing about this? Didn’t they say they were going to have the postmaster general trump stooge testify IN SEPTEMBER? Oh it’s not like there’s a fucking election around the corner. 
 

It’s painful watching this slow motion slide into authoritarianism and there ain’t a gotdamn thing you can do. 

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14 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

The Post Office issue needs an immediate fix by Congress. They have the power. Time to fix it. It is a clear and present danger to democracy. 

Or activation of the National Guard.

Note that it's governors, not the president, who can activate the national guard.  Activate them to assist with the mail.  It's a fucking manmade disaster.  Do it.  

Also, the ACLU needs to be teeing up the Voting Rights Act suits on behalf of minority plaintiffs who are at significant risk of disenfranchisement by intentional crippling of the mail.  An injunction ordering either that sorting machines be reinstated or that all ballots postmarked by a date be counted should do it.

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2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Mailing of ballots must be treated as priority mail. Junk/Parcels do not take priority over mailing out of official ballots.

Ok. But that doesn't tell me what specific powers or abilities the house of representatives has to remedy that situation, or enforce it. 

 

Additionally, isn't junk mail one of their last sources of revenue? That seems like an even shittier situation to put the USPS in...

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8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ok. But that doesn't tell me what specific powers or abilities the house of representatives has to remedy that situation, or enforce it. 

 

Additionally, isn't junk mail one of their last sources of revenue? That seems like an even shittier situation to put the USPS in...

Senate made clear with Trump's trial balloon to postpone the election they will not go down with the ship. It's common sense. 

Americans hate junk mail. Junk mailers need to bend the knee.

 

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1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

Senate made clear with Trump's trial balloon to postpone the election they will not go down with the ship. It's common sense. 

Americans hate junk mail. Junk mailers need to bend the knee.

 

Are you drunk? This is the second time you've failed to answer my very specific question. Let me be perfectly clear:

Specifically, what powers does the House of Representatives have to fix the USPS issue?

Because yeah, I'm laughing at the idea that the Senate will suddenly do the right thing. Sticking to election day is one thing. Doing nothing about the dismantling of the USPS that likely helps many of their embattled ranks retain seats is a different animal.

Additionally "Americans hate junk mail" doesn't have shit to do with "Forcing the USPS to shit on one of their last remaining revenue sources seems like a hard decision to force them to make."

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President Donald Trump, during an interview Thursday with Fox Business, said that negotiations on additional coronavirus relief funding are stalled on Capitol Hill primarily because Democrats want to give billions of dollars to the Postal Service to boost mail-in voting efforts. 

“They need that money in order to have the Post Office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said. “But if they don’t get those two items that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting, because they’re not equipped to have it.”

“If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money, that means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it,” Trump said.

 

This rhetoric does not play well in Peoria - either party. 

Are you equating the HOR with my use of the word "Congress"? Congress = House and Senate, but I understand in some small areas the "House" is referred to as "Congress".  Is that your disconnect? 

As for our speculation on how the Senate would act if presented with a bill prioritizing delivery of ballots during a pandemic, like the postponement of the election - no delivery of ballots sinks the GOP incumbents. They know Trump is on the way out. They are scrambling to protect their own seats in many districts and states.

We have had this postal funding issue before. The privatization of the post office efforts continue. Official mail was always the sticky wicket in the privatization efforts. That was always the bridge too far. I don't believe that has changed. 

Cheers - although the imbibing begins later. 

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3 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

This rhetoric does not play well in Peoria - either party. 

Are you equating the HOR with my use of the word "Congress"? Congress = House and Senate, but I understand in some small areas the "House" is referred to as "Congress".  Is that your disconnect? 

As for our speculation on how the Senate would act if presented with a bill prioritizing delivery of ballots during a pandemic, like the postponement of the election - no delivery of ballots sinks the GOP incumbents. They know Trump is on the way out. They are scrambling to protect their own seats in many districts and states.

We have had this postal funding issue before. The privatization of the post office efforts continue. Official mail was always the sticky wicket in the privatization efforts. That was always the bridge too far. I don't believe that has changed. 

Cheers - although the imbibing begins later. 

No, I'm specifically saying "House of Representatives" because, as I thought my last post made clear, I'm laughing out fucking out that the Senate is going to do anything. 

So, thanks for eventually answering my question in a very roundabout way. There isn't really any specif action they can take, you're just wishcasting. 

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Did see this:

 

I share concern about the larger, engineered challenges the USPS faces BUT can someone explain to me the issue of anticipated delays with mail-in ballots when the postal system handles more than 140 BILLION pieces of mail a year, more than 12 BILLION a month. We have 150 million, or so, registered voters, all of whom won't vote. Even if 50% of the ballots are handled as mail-in (where allowed) that represents well under 1% of the normal monthly mail volume! Aside from Trump's shenanigans, the concern here just does/should not add-up.

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The problem is that all 12B units of mail per month are being delayed.  It's a throughput issue.

I don't know when the postmark is affixed, but that should be the arbiter of whether or not a ballot was mailed in time.  Delivery to the counting location is irrelevant.  (It's not, as others have surmised, Trump will use his own braking action on the USPS to argue that fraud is occurring, but in a normal world, ballot arrival would mean nothing.)

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13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Can people impeach/remove a senator before their term is up?

Senators cannot be impeached; the process is called expulsion.

The question of whether Senators may be recalled by the People is not answered, although the 17th Amendment may allow it - see this article from a conservative website - the American Thinker - that argues a Senator may be recalled and removed by the People: 

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In Thornton, the Court protected the right of the sovereign people to choose their own representatives. That is also the basis of the right of recall, and it has been so for more than three centuries.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/04/is_a_statebased_recall_of_a_us.html

 

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4 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

no wonder the gop is fighting against free college.

An educated population is their nightmare.  Dumbasses don’t have many options other than the military or prison, both of which make huge contributions to the party of treason.

Why do you think there has been an all out assault on education the last 35 years or so?  It feeds right into their main avenues for staying in power. 

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This is correct if you define ‘now’ as when Nixon ran his Southern Strategy.

That strategy created a “coalition.” That coalition is gone. Educated Republicans aren’t a thing anymore. It’s just the trump rally base. That’s who the party is. How fucking wretched.
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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


That strategy created a “coalition.” That coalition is gone. Educated Republicans aren’t a thing anymore. It’s just the trump rally base. That’s who the party is. How fucking wretched.

That strategy gathered the uneducated racists under their roof.  At the time they retained enough of their educated followers but as you mention those have been leaving in droves.  Unfortunately the dumbasses far outnumber somewhat functioning citizens by a mile.

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When they were talking about the trump base being uneducated whites, they weren’t kidding. I’ll give Trump credit for knowing his base better than any politician in the game.

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Robert Tilton did it for years. Kenneth Copeland still does. I'll give money to a religious person or group that I think does a good job with it. I try to avoid giving money to people I don't trust with it. That applies to political entities and people as well. 

Trying to tell them that they are getting conned is a not easy. It's humbling to realize that you're the mark. When you're already insecure and afraid, it's that much harder to get through. 

Meh, some of them have figured it out and some won't. 

November is coming. 

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Can people impeach/remove a senator before their term is up?

No.  Only the Senate itself can remove a member. And it’s unlikely an innovative reading of the 17th amendment would be accepted by the Supreme Court, which has always refused to insert itself into the interior workings of the legislative branch. 

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On 8/14/2020 at 5:08 PM, SydneyCarton said:

No, I'm specifically saying "House of Representatives" because, as I thought my last post made clear, I'm laughing out fucking out that the Senate is going to do anything. 

So, thanks for eventually answering my question in a very roundabout way. There isn't really any specif action they can take, you're just wishcasting. 

Yes. It’s only political pressure. However they can subpoena the postmaster general and use inherent contempt powers to jail or fine him until he testifies. 

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3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Anecdotally, I don’t think it’s just noise.  I’m observing a lot of supposedly disaffected Republican suburbanites going back to Trump through a combination of not being able to pull the trigger on voting Democrat as Election Day nears and it’s less hypothetical, and also the pandemic becoming old news / more normalized in their minds, but not deadly enough to kill so many people that everyone is personally touched by it.  

They’re back to bitching about the old hits again (socialism, Democrats will kill the energy industry, open borders, etc.) and not receptive to Trump criticism anymore.  I still think Trump loses, but he’s going to get more people digging in for him than I had hoped.

I think this results in Trump squeaking out Texas, Georgia, Ohio, and still losing by a decent margin. 

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