2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[The Dog 44051]

31 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Yes. When he was campaign director, he funneled virtually all spending through his personal political consulting firm and took a slice. He’s no longer the top guy, but the campaign is still paying his consulting firm

That's what I thought. Embezzling his own campaign so they don't have money to, you know, spend on re-election. 

[Bateshorn 9927]

37 minutes ago, The Dog said:

IMHO the Parscale part is why they are bleeding cash. Aren't a lot of their funds being funneled through one of his companies and he's basically been on a personal spending spree with the dough?

Kush and the family signed off on everything. There's a huge private LLC they've run hundreds of millions of campaign spending through. The Trump's are stealing way more than Parscale did.  He's just the well compensated dupe out front.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Bateshorn

[Guest Lobo]

18 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

 

GERARD!  Did you know your pops had on a Mushroom Shirt?  

[bolverk 29672]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Lol at all this. First off, they're not broke. They just raised 200 million which would have been the all time record if Biden hadn't crushed it. Second, Michigan isn't a swing state it's lost, and they know that. Third, why overspend in PA or Florida when they're going to be able to steal those states for free? Blowing 20 million dollars when you can take it for free is something Suckers do /Trump.

Maybe Florida, but not Pennsylvania. Both the Governor and Secretary of State are Dems.

Went back and looked at the polls according to 538 and redid the 270toWin EC map according to where they stand now. Here's what it looks like if the election were held today.

Edit: Fixed Michigan

Edited September 11, 2020 by bolverk

[SydneyCarton 48105]

9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Maybe Florida, but not Pennsylvania. Both the Governor and Secretary of State are Dems.

Went back and looked at the polls according to 538 and redid the 270toWin EC map according to where they stand now. Here's what it looks like if the election were held today.

Ugh this doesn't make me feel better. I think Trump wins Florida straight up, and there's a good chance he swings PA as well. NC goes the wrong way and we're literally right at 270. Not to mention Wisconsin. 

Edited September 11, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[bolverk 29672]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ugh this doesn't make me feel better. I think Trump wins Florida straight up, and there's a good chance he swings PA as well. NC goes the wrong way and we're literally right at 270. Not to mention Wisconsin. 

If it's any consolation, I messed up on Michigan and should've made it a shade darker blue. With that Biden has 254 EVs as "likely" or "in the bag" and only needs 16 more. There are multiple combinations of the lightest blue that would put him at 270+. It's also not impossible that he could pick up a pink one.

This was a good photo to see.

 

[Tuco 5076]

16 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Maybe Florida, but not Pennsylvania. Both the Governor and Secretary of State are Dems.

Went back and looked at the polls according to 538 and redid the 270toWin EC map according to where they stand now. Here's what it looks like if the election were held today.

 

What about their Supreme Courts?

Wisconsin SC just put a hold on sending out absentee ballots, until they can decide on whether the Green candidate should be added.  Decided right down partisan lines. 

CNN

[Gap03 3307]

30 minutes ago, Lobo said:

GERARD!  Did you know your pops had on a Mushroom Shirt?  

The question is ... where is his special mushroom?

[Red Five 40858]

16 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ugh this doesn't make me feel better. I think Trump wins Florida straight up, and there's a good chance he swings PA as well. NC goes the wrong way and we're literally right at 270. Not to mention Wisconsin. 

You're also assuming that Trump wins all of Ohio, Iowa, Georgia, Texas. In addition to those other states he's currently losing in. And after all that, it's still even. 

[Snake Diggity 4624]

We will know fairly early on election night.  If PA (and/or, gulp, FL) are called for Biden, then there’s essentially no path for victory for Trump.  Any other outcome will mean a drawn out ordeal, with the majority of results being disastrous.  It’s all about Pennsylvania.

[SydneyCarton 48105]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

You're also assuming that Trump wins all of Ohio, Iowa, Georgia, Texas. In addition to those other states he's currently losing in. And after all that, it's still even. 

I mean, yeah. How much money would you wager, right now, that Biden wins ANY of those states? Sure, you can try to reverse parlay that shit where you take a bet where he takes 1 of 4, but individually, how much would you bet right now on ANY of those states you've listed?

[SydneyCarton 48105]

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

We will know fairly early on election night.  If PA (and/or, gulp, FL) are called for Biden, then there’s essentially no path for victory for Trump.  Any other outcome will mean a drawn out ordeal, with the majority of results being disastrous.  It’s all about Pennsylvania.

Even if PA of FL go early one way (they wont) because then Trump will say wait for the mail ballots, etc. The idea of either of those states going blue extremely early on election day seem very, very remote to me. 

[Red Five 40858]

Decent shot at Ohio, IMO. 

[bolverk 29672]

3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

We will know fairly early on election night.  If PA (and/or, gulp, FL) are called for Biden, then there’s essentially no path for victory for Trump.  Any other outcome will mean a drawn out ordeal, with the majority of results being disastrous.  It’s all about Pennsylvania.

This is where I'm at. If PA is called for Biden, it's time to PARTAY! If not, it's time to PANIC! 

Either way, DRINK!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

On 9/9/2020 at 9:42 PM, TXSG8R said:

So am I taking crazy pills or did Trump basically say he was going to gut SS and Medicare a week or two ago, and it’s not even on anyone’s radar at this point?  

Trump is failing to buy votes with is SS and Medicare tax breaks. He is forcing the military and federal workers to accept the temp tax break. Oh well, they will get hit with big penalties next year if they can't pay it back.

Except for small businesses with far right owners, I can't imagine many private businesses thinking this is a good idea to implement. The business might be on the hook for the missed payments if the employee quits. My guess is that private employees will only see a small percent be opted into the the trump tax deferral. My employer just announced they aren't doing it.

[TXSG8R 3362]

9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Trump is failing to buy votes with is SS and Medicare tax breaks. He is forcing the military and federal workers to accept the temp tax break. Oh well, they will get hit with big penalties next year if they can't pay it back.

Except for small businesses with far right owners, I can't imagine many private businesses thinking this is a good idea to implement. The business might be on the hook for the missed payments if the employee quits. My guess is that private employees will only see a small percent be opted into the the trump tax deferral. My employer just announced they aren't doing it.

Not that, he said if he wins next term he will make the payroll tax cut permanent, ergo it would gut SS and medicare.  I know he doesn't have the ability to make the tax cut permanent on his own, but the fact that hes running that platform and the olds aren't fleeing in droves is fucking maddening.  

[Snake Diggity 4624]

25 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Even if PA of FL go early one way (they wont) because then Trump will say wait for the mail ballots, etc. The idea of either of those states going blue extremely early on election day seem very, very remote to me. 

Trump will contest his loss no matter what.  But if PA is called early for Biden, my opinion is that it won’t matter that Trump contests the results because a.) PA has blue state leadership and b.) Trump can’t realistically get to 270 without PA.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Voldemort86 2259]

39 minutes ago, Tuco said:

What about their Supreme Courts?

Wisconsin SC just put a hold on sending out absentee ballots, until they can decide on whether the Green candidate should be added.  Decided right down partisan lines. 

CNN

You’ve gotta remember 2 things about Wisconsin :

1) they hate trump so much that they literally picked Ted Cruz over Trump in the 2016 GOP primary. Everyone and their mom hates ted Cruz.

2) Wisconsin Republicans did what Wisconsin republicans do this year. They refused to move the primary date at all and make any Covid accommodations whatsoever. They wanted a low turn out election and could care less if sick people died trying to vote at the polls. 
 

it backfired as people stood in heavy rain and hail to vote in Milwaukee amongst other places. People were pissed and the dems took a Supreme Court seat somewhat comfortably.  I think people in both Michigan and Wisconsin know that Trump caught their state napping in 2016 and they’re determined to not let it happen again this time around.

[Biff Tannen 45683]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

These people are broken.

[SydneyCarton 48105]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is the shit that makes ME want to lock myself in a garage with the engine running. 

[Ghost of LL 15531]

13 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I live in the suburbs and I consider myself attuned to reality. 
 

I know that the likelihood of seeing a horde of black people coming to harass me at my house is zero to none. Most intelligent suburb voters should realize the same. Trump is just trying to fear monger because he has nothing to sell to the American people.

It's like you never look at Nextdoor.

12 hours ago, Red Five said:

It will be funny to watch him give a victory speech with about 200 EVs.

It'll be funny to see him give a victory speech while Texas is still "too close to call."

I still am far from panicked about the Red Mirage.  Vote-by-mail and early voting make exit polling a lot easier.  And more than anything, the talking heads on the networks and cable news want to be seen as prescient.  They'll know what the exit polls say, and they're going to spend the entire time talking about how the mail-in votes are going to come in heavily for Biden.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

I know I shouldn't be surprised anymore. But really, wtf!

[SydneyCarton 48105]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What is this from?

[DigglerontheHoof 21199]

Stupid fucking morons.  Hopefully, they kill them selves without taking the kids with them.

[bolverk 29672]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

What is this from?

Time Magazine apparently.

Kelly Ferro (Intuitive Medium) https://www.facebook.com/kelly.a.ferro

Edit:

Marcella Frank (Truth Seeker) https://www.facebook.com/marcellaefrank

Tina Arthur https://www.facebook.com/tina.arthur9694

Edited September 11, 2020 by bolverk

[Voldemort86 2259]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ugh this doesn't make me feel better. I think Trump wins Florida straight up, and there's a good chance he swings PA as well. NC goes the wrong way and we're literally right at 270. Not to mention Wisconsin. 

Even more concerning for Republicans, Democrats who didn't vote in 2016 are requesting 2020 ballots at higher rates than their GOP counterparts. The most striking example is Pennsylvania, where nearly 175,000 Democrats who sat out the last race have requested ballots, more than double the number of Republicans, according to an analysis of voter rolls by the Democratic firm TargetSmart.
 

blue enthusiasm in Pennsylvania seems to be pretty good.

 

also Florida and North Carolina are going to be very close. Probably decided by less than 1 point. It could literally go either way......... and trump HAS to win them both.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Voldemort86

[SydneyCarton 48105]

30 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Even more concerning for Republicans, Democrats who didn't vote in 2016 are requesting 2020 ballots at higher rates than their GOP counterparts. The most striking example is Pennsylvania, where nearly 175,000 Democrats who sat out the last race have requested ballots, more than double the number of Republicans, according to an analysis of voter rolls by the Democratic firm TargetSmart.
 

blue enthusiasm in Pennsylvania seems to be pretty good.

 

also Florida and North Carolina are going to be very close. Probably decided by less than 1 point. It could literally go either way......... and trump HAS to win them both.

I just don’t feel good about anything Mail based. Period. Or states with Republican Secretary Of States and leadership. 

[Biff Tannen 45683]

35 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Time Magazine apparently.

Kelly Ferro (Intuitive Medium) https://www.facebook.com/kelly.a.ferro

Edit:

Marcella Frank (Truth Seeker) https://www.facebook.com/marcellaefrank

Tina Arthur https://www.facebook.com/tina.arthur9694

Any negative feedback will be deleted!  Must. Maintain. Echo. Chamber. 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Even if PA of FL go early one way (they wont) because then Trump will say wait for the mail ballots, etc. The idea of either of those states going blue extremely early on election day seem very, very remote to me. 

Regarding PA: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/2020-election-trump-pennsylvania.html

tl;dr We better hope there's enough signs to go around and that woods dwellers don't come out to vote for Trump again. 

[SydneyCarton 48105]

15 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Regarding PA: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/2020-election-trump-pennsylvania.html

tl;dr We better hope there's enough signs to go around and that woods dwellers don't come out to vote for Trump again. 

Sigh. 

[Wulaw Horn 19069]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

What about their Supreme Courts?

Wisconsin SC just put a hold on sending out absentee ballots, until they can decide on whether the Green candidate should be added.  Decided right down partisan lines. 

CNN

Honestly this should be the case. I assume it’s GOP not agreeing to send out the ballot and it’s for partisan reasons, but you shouldn’t send out a ballot until it’s officiaL with al the candidates.  That said- whats  the ducking hold up on deciding who should be on the ballot. We are what- 55 days out?  Make that decisions right now and print them up. I can’t conceive of why you’d not know whose on the ballot right now, at this late date. 

[Wulaw Horn 19069]

1 hour ago, Voldemort86 said:

You’ve gotta remember 2 things about Wisconsin :

1) they hate trump so much that they literally picked Ted Cruz over Trump in the 2016 GOP primary. Everyone and their mom hates ted Cruz.

2) Wisconsin Republicans did what Wisconsin republicans do this year. They refused to move the primary date at all and make any Covid accommodations whatsoever. They wanted a low turn out election and could care less if sick people died trying to vote at the polls. 
 

it backfired as people stood in heavy rain and hail to vote in Milwaukee amongst other places. People were pissed and the dems took a Supreme Court seat somewhat comfortably.  I think people in both Michigan and Wisconsin know that Trump caught their state napping in 2016 and they’re determined to not let it happen again this time around.

File this under- of course- no duh and Hillary was a horrible candidate. 

Edited September 11, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Bruh Man 3160]

41 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Regarding PA: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/2020-election-trump-pennsylvania.html

tl;dr We better hope there's enough signs to go around and that woods dwellers don't come out to vote for Trump again. 

 

26 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Sigh. 

Man you guys really are some bitches. How about you guys stop "hoping" and "sighing" and actually get in the trenches. Here, I even did the work for y'all....below are phonebanking opportunities targeting PA. We're in crunch time, sign up or shut up.

 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

2 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

 

Man you guys really are some bitches. How about you guys stop "hoping" and "sighing" and actually get in the trenches. Here, I even did the work for y'all....below are phonebanking opportunities targeting PA. We're in crunch time, sign up or shut up.

 

I'm textbanking here in Texas for Biden, Hegar, and down ballot. I don't have time for Pennsylvania. Sorry. 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

And anyway, the PA article is not as pessimistic as I made it seem but it does hinge on getting out the vote. So if someone has time to phone bank for PA, I encourage you to do so. 

[Red Five 40858]

I feel like my career as a phone bank caller would be amazingly short. I don't have the patience to hear from dotard voters. 

[yoladu 4094]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

They are not leaving this country and their "small business". Where would they go? How would they live/make a living? What country would sync with their world view?

[mdmost 43001]

"The Cabal", huh? Do Tina and Marcella post in DT and the football board as JohnnySack and Icono?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I feel like my career as a phone bank caller would be amazingly short. I don't have the patience to hear from dotard voters. 

It’s a hard job but the payoff is those few times you connect with people.

Some folks just want someone to talk to. 

[Gap03 3307]

6 minutes ago, yoladu said:

They are not leaving this country and their "small business". Where would they go? How would they live/make a living? What country would sync with their world view?

So you're saying it's the garage for Tina and her family?

[Bateshorn 9927]

9 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I feel like my career as a phone bank caller would be amazingly short. I don't have the patience to hear from dotard voters. 

That’s probably not who you’ll be calling. It’s already identified Democrat likely voters. Asking them if they have a plan to vote, do they need help with registration, stuff like that.  Voter ID should already be done at this point.   That was over the spring and summer. 

[6th Street 6398]

I think more effective than cold calling would be to set up voter registration drives and arrange transportation to the polls on Election Day via buses 

[Guest Lobo]

I got a call from one the other night (I think our zip code despite being City of Austin, probably leans a little to the right), I simply hit her with, "Before we get into the questions, I feel I should disclose that President Trump's handling of Covid-19 was a big factor of the death of my uncle earlier this year."  I'll give her credit, she didn't miss a fucking beat and went right back to her script.  

[Biff Tannen 45683]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

I think more effective than cold calling would be to set up voter registration drives and arrange transportation to the polls on Election Day via buses 

Maybe not the best idea during a pandemic.

[Bateshorn 9927]

Because of voter registration data, they shouldn’t have you cold calling repeat republicans. Instead it would be a former GOP voter who voted dem in 2018.  Or Democrats who haven’t voted in a while. Etc. Or your wife has been voting democrat.  When I knock doors the number of dudes I get who say “Karen?  Why would you want to speak to Karen?  She’s a republican like me. Not interested”. 
 

Dude, I got bad news for you....

Edited September 11, 2020 by Bateshorn

[Storm the Field 5294]

 

[jimmyjazz 45947]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

I think more effective than cold calling would be to set up voter registration drives and arrange transportation to the polls on Election Day via buses 

Bussing voters to polling locations is actual illegal in some jurisdictions.  No shit.  I think I've seen restrictions to something like 4 voters per vehicle.

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, Bruh Man said:

 

Man you guys really are some bitches. How about you guys stop "hoping" and "sighing" and actually get in the trenches. Here, I even did the work for y'all....below are phonebanking opportunities targeting PA. We're in crunch time, sign up or shut up.

 

Have any of y’all done this before?  How does it work?  Is it safe?

[totallynotabuttpirate 5400]

2 hours ago, Bruh Man said:

 

Man you guys really are some bitches. How about you guys stop "hoping" and "sighing" and actually get in the trenches. Here, I even did the work for y'all....below are phonebanking opportunities targeting PA. We're in crunch time, sign up or shut up.

 

I do my part by writing fat checks.