2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[Hank Chinaski 6324]

19 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Nah, it'll just be nothing but bad teammate and Hugo arguing with everyone else. Progs vs. Shitlibs. And all of the Republicans/Trump voters who avoid the CR will come running back to spend the next four years complaining about Biden and pretending that they're really concerned about corruption and the deficit. 

It's gonna suck.

[Valmy77 13356]

2 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

What 2005 were you watching?  In my version Vince Young and co kicked the shit out of everyone on the schedule!

He meant 1995.

[Herpa Derpa 6140]

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Edited November 2, 2020 by Herpa Derpa
valmy

[Doc Sam Beckett 5807]

21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Trump running again in 2024 if he loses is a pretty popular theory and very well may happen. 

One aspect I don't think a lot of people are looking at is his ENTIRE administration (outside of his family, I guess) will sing like a canary if he loses the election. Book deals, exclusive interviews, etc. These grifters will cash in and burn Trump to the ground . We'll get a fuller picture about how much worse things really have been inside the White House for the last 4 years. 

 

 

These people watch a group of trucks surround a bus and fuck with it and convince themselves that the bus is at fault. No bombshell will move the needle with the base. 

It's amazing how far we've fallen. If Papa Bush had the same first term as Donald, Clinton would have won every fucking state. If Clinton had the same first term as Donald, Dubya would have won every fucking state. That was back when shit like screwing with what's important to a voter had immediate consequences. Now what's important is owning the Libs, so you see interviews of Republican voters saying they are voting for Donald again because they like what he's done. Bizarro world. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Now tell us about your Wendesday. Because Im pretty sure mine is going to be fucking useless. 

I have to attend an early meeting with a bunch of Trumpers.  I will report back what I hear. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10389]

28 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

They had 10 (however many others there were) better options in 2016 primaries.  I don't buy the "better candidate" theory.  They are all in on racism and "fuck the libs".  I'll believe differently when I see it. 

2016 was about insiders vs outsiders, establishment vs non... Trump was the right and only outsider candidate (obviously) to go against Clinton if they had any chance to win. 2016 was anti-Clinton as much as pro-Trump.

2020 is about Trump having delivered on what he promised... the left doesn't see it that way, but the right does. It's also been made all about Trump. The media is just as much to blame for giving him the platform and air instead of spending time on how Biden's vision is better. They've made this about Trump instead of the issues.

2024 he's either out of terms or he's the prior loser. If you believe the country is almost 50% racist and sexist and that's all his base is then I would quickly figure out why Trumps non-white support is growing and certainly figure out how "the worst President of all time hands down" can somehow win one and possibly two.

 

[wildcat09 29449]

6 hours ago, DenverHorn said:

https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

8 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

My hope is while Trumpers wait on PA, Texas goes blue in a mic drop moment

From your lips to god’s ears my friend.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 minute ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

If you believe the country is almost 50% racist and sexist and that's all his base is then I would quickly figure out why Trumps non-white support is growing and certainly figure out how "the worst President of all time hands down" can somehow win one and possibly two.

i'll grant you that i'm baffled by the first part, but i assure you i'm not on the second.

[Beau Vine 54504]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

I'm wondering how much divisiveness that stunt in Comal/Hays county has caused in the Latino community. 

Zero.  Absolutely zero.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11822]

14 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Negged for dishonesty. They don't claim to represent Biden. No flags like the Trumpers. This event is not about the election. 

I'll go ahead and pre-empt your response about them likely being Biden supporters. That's not the point being made. The point is that Trumpists proudly identify themselves as primarily Trumpists, gather into gangs, show up armed, and harrass anyone that doesn't adhere to their lust for an autocracy to restore democracy and and make America great again (sic).

These people are identifying themselves as anti-police violence (murder, to be more precise), anti-racist, and (OMG!) probably anti-fascist.

Sell your lies where you will. There aren't many buyers around here anymore.

Also, in relation to that picture:

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/522509-feds-say-far-right-group-coordinated-attack-on-minneapolis-police-precinct

 

 

[Texaspython 231]

3 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

2016 was about insiders vs outsiders, establishment vs non... Trump was the right and only outsider candidate (obviously) to go against Clinton if they had any chance to win. 2016 was anti-Clinton as much as pro-Trump.

2020 is about Trump having delivered on what he promised... the left doesn't see it that way, but the right does. It's also been made all about Trump. The media is just as much to blame for giving him the platform and air instead of spending time on how Biden's vision is better. They've made this about Trump instead of the issues.

2024 he's either out of terms or he's the prior loser. If you believe the country is almost 50% racist and sexist and that's all his base is then I would quickly figure out why Trumps non-white support is growing and certainly figure out how "the worst President of all time hands down" can somehow win one and possibly two.

 

Trump campaign made a concerted effort to dig into the minority community. It’ll prove to be a bad move. 

[Thatguy 8932]

8 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

My hope is while Trumpers wait on PA, Texas goes blue in a mic drop moment

   If that happens, I will be on social media like this while reading my Trump friends' feeds....

 

[wildcat09 29449]

4 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

2016 was about insiders vs outsiders, establishment vs non... Trump was the right and only outsider candidate (obviously) to go against Clinton if they had any chance to win. 2016 was anti-Clinton as much as pro-Trump.

2020 is about Trump having delivered on what he promised... the left doesn't see it that way, but the right does. It's also been made all about Trump. The media is just as much to blame for giving him the platform and air instead of spending time on how Biden's vision is better. They've made this about Trump instead of the issues.

2024 he's either out of terms or he's the prior loser. If you believe the country is almost 50% racist and sexist and that's all his base is then I would quickly figure out why Trumps non-white support is growing and certainly figure out how "the worst President of all time hands down" can somehow win one and possibly two.

 

It's not hard to figure out.  There was a time not long ago when Malcolm X and George Lincoln Rockwell bonded over their shared hatred of those with a vision of an inclusive and multicultural America.

[Beau Vine 54504]

 

[Hiphopopotamos 20894]

 

[bad_teammate 13241]

35 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Nah, it'll just be nothing but bad teammate and Hugo arguing with everyone else. Progs vs. Shitlibs. And all of the Republicans/Trump voters who avoid the CR will come running back to spend the next four years complaining about Biden and pretending that they're really concerned about corruption and the deficit. 

It's gonna suck.

That sounds great.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

that's pretty cool  and/or sad.  twitter is babysitting our shitty population.

[Nope 3143]

Walmart’s decision on guns followed by the reversal was masterful national marketing that didn’t cost them one penny

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

 

1. Biden can't outlaw fracking on non-federal lands

2. there isn't much federal land in PA (see below that big red piece in the NW portion has zero O&G under it)

3. Energy Prices wouldn't skyrocket EVEN if federal land fracking was banned. 

4. In conclusion, Trump is a moron

 

[The Dog 44176]

1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

that's pretty cool  and/or sad.  twitter is babysitting our shitty population.

Nah just babysitting the baby in the White House who will claim victory even if he's getting clobbered.

[Wulaw Horn 19157]

1 hour ago, Eastwood said:

I think this would have a legitimate chance at creating a 3 party system over the next 10 years, if that's the case. If Rs get trounced this election, it will cause a panic in establishment Rs who have been there a while. I could see the Republican Party fracture into McConnell Rs and Trump Rs.

No. There can be no 3 party system in America (not long term anyway) as we just aren’t set up for that with our first past the post elections. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13537]

22 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

My hope is while Trumpers wait on PA, Texas goes blue in a mic drop moment

 

9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

   If that happens, I will be on social media like this while reading my Trump friends' feeds....

 

Several national commentators have mentioned this possibility. It will pull the rug out from under Trump on trying to claim national victory with PA early results, when he doesn't even hold a EC 270 majority because Texas just flipped.

But regardless go read Texags on this possibility. They're convinced that Texas will be Trump 10+, or fraud is involved. Outside of their delusional thoughts, they might believe it due to their echo chamber.

[Eastwood 4394]

I have a gif/video idea if Texas turns blue, but I don't want to execute until the deed is done. But if there is a photoshop/premiere guru out there that wants to help, let me know.

[LurkingHorn 1072]

49 minutes ago, The Dog said:

The current VP is their former governor. It's not reasonable to expect them to vote otherwise. 

I'd be reluctant to give FL to anyone prior to them finishing counting since the place is so fucky. NV looks solid for Biden based on early vote numbers. 

Fine. Give FL to Trump and NV to Biden and Biden is still at 278

[bad_teammate 13241]

2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No. There can be no 3 party system in America (not long term anyway) as we just aren’t set up for that with our first past the post elections. 

Had an outdoor gathering with some liberal friends I don't normally talk politics with and she made a point that I hadn't fully thought of that led me to believe the Democratic Party is potentially as likely to fracture as the Republicans... the age gap between Democratic leadership and the vital blood of the party is 4 decades plus.

This liberal friend is the DCCC variety, the corporation-friendly, "we can't unilaterally disarm" type when it comes to rubbing lobbyist elbows and loving big donors. For years she's been scolding and chiding about how the young AOCs need to "work more closely" with the ancient vampires (not how she would describe them) like Pelosi and Hoyer and Clyburn. She's realizing that the ancient vampires would rather die clinging to power and guaranteeing Republican victory than pass the torch to anyone and that the party needs all of those people to actually literally die before it splinters into the Democratic party (center) and some kind of progressive party. RBG made this especially stark and obvious.

Stranger things have happened.

[The Dog 44176]

26 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

My hope is while Trumpers wait on PA, Texas goes blue in a mic drop moment

This is a legit possibility, but I'd temper it with the fact that Trump is hitting 50% in polls even where it's close. Most likely he's going to win Texas but by a very small margin. 

[thepop 4409]

 

[Texaspython 231]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Had an outdoor gathering with some liberal friends I don't normally talk politics with and she made a point that I hadn't fully thought of that led me to believe the Democratic Party is potentially as likely to fracture as the Republicans... the age gap between Democratic leadership and the vital blood of the party is 4 decades plus.

This liberal friend is the DCCC variety, the corporation-friendly, "we can't unilaterally disarm" type when it comes to rubbing lobbyist elbows and loving big donors. For years she's been scolding and chiding about how the young AOCs need to "work more closely" with the ancient vampires (not how she would describe them) like Pelosi and Hoyer and Clyburn. She's realizing that the ancient vampires would rather die clinging to power and guaranteeing Republican victory than pass the torch to anyone and that the party needs all of those people to actually literally die before it splinters into the Democratic party (center) and some kind of progressive party. RBG made this especially stark and obvious.

Stranger things have happened.

Don’t start throwing out your fantasies as some legitimate possibility.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10389]

12 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

1. Biden can't outlaw fracking on non-federal lands

2. there isn't much federal land in PA (see below that big red piece in the NW portion has zero O&G under it)

3. Energy Prices wouldn't skyrocket EVEN if federal land fracking was banned. 

4. In conclusion, Trump is a moron

 

Outright ban - no. With Congress help (assume left takes control).. absolutely can make it economically unappealing.

[Wulaw Horn 19157]

22 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

1. Biden can't outlaw fracking on non-federal lands

2. there isn't much federal land in PA (see below that big red piece in the NW portion has zero O&G under it)

3. Energy Prices wouldn't skyrocket EVEN if federal land fracking was banned. 

4. In conclusion, Trump is a moron

 

Every time I see this chart or a chart like this I am continuously amazed at just how much of the west is federal lands. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Pancho 45381]

30 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

My hope is while Trumpers wait on PA, Texas goes blue in a mic drop moment

Same.  Told my dad last night that they keep fucking around about Penn but watch something crazy happen like Texas or Florida go blue. 

[lemonlime 5503]

8 minutes ago, thepop said:

 

I think early voting in PA was essentially that a "mail in" ballot would be printed for the voter at the polling location, and then the voter would fill out and return the "mail in" ballot right away.  Are these numbers including the early votes?  Or just true "mail in" votes?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13537]

4 minutes ago, thepop said:

 

I wish the large PA counties, most likely controlled by Democrats, refuse to release the Election Day totals UNTIL they also have the mail-in ballots counted. Counter Trump's plan to declare victory.

And i've heard the excuse that the PA counties aren't allowed to open and count the ballots until tomorrow. They're doing their best. See Sean Connery's quote from The Rock about whining about doing their best. Go buy more vote counting machines. Hire more people. Harris County made it a priority by raising the vote mgmt budget >700%.  

[David Dennison 19041]

3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Very time I see this chart or a chart

like this I am continuously Amazed

at just how much of the west is federal lands. 

Manifest Destiny'd.

[bad_teammate 13241]

8 minutes ago, Texaspython said:

Don’t start throwing out your fantasies as some legitimate possibility.

The fantasy where the vampires die and young progressives take over the party?

I will relish that fantasy, thank you very much!

[Wulaw Horn 19157]

14 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Had an outdoor gathering with some liberal friends I don't normally talk politics with and she made a point that I hadn't fully thought of that led me to believe the Democratic Party is potentially as likely to fracture as the Republicans... the age gap between Democratic leadership and the vital blood of the party is 4 decades plus.

This liberal friend is the DCCC variety, the corporation-friendly, "we can't unilaterally disarm" type when it comes to rubbing lobbyist elbows and loving big donors. For years she's been scolding and chiding about how the young AOCs need to "work more closely" with the ancient vampires (not how she would describe them) like Pelosi and Hoyer and Clyburn. She's realizing that the ancient vampires would rather die clinging to power and guaranteeing Republican victory than pass the torch to anyone and that the party needs all of those people to actually literally die before it splinters into the Democratic party (center) and some kind of progressive party. RBG made this especially stark and obvious.

Stranger things have happened.

Sure- but the stasis will still be two parties. A third party will always be nothing more than a spoiler due to the way we run elections structurally.  Nobody wants to be a permanent spoiler. We are a two party system. But yeah- that’s not a disagreement with anything you’ve typed about it being possible to split the Dems. If I was a GOP operative that is literally where I’d focus 100% of my attention on. 
 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[LTbear 4172]

19 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No. There can be no 3 party system in America (not long term anyway) as we just aren’t set up for that with our first past the post elections. 

This is correct. Unfortunately. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20894]

 

[jimmyjazz 46411]

The price of crude oil is currently some 43% off its one-year high, and is well below the point where further fracking exploration doesn't make economic sense.  It's approaching the price where continued operation of existing wells doesn't make economic sense.

I'm not sure Biden would have to limit any fracking for fracking to "go away", at least until prices recover.  Noted natural resource economist Donald Trump wants low prices and continued fracking, which is not surprisingly off the mark.

[TexEx15 17592]

I’m hopeful that it becomes clear early on in the evening that sheer disgust for trump and the polls lack of ability to account for this becomes a talking point on the way to a blow out.

[Serak The Preparer 3436]

6 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Very time I see this chart or a chart

like this I am continuously Amazed

at just how much of the west is federal lands. 

Does not scan. Supposed to be 5 syllables, then 7, then 5 again. 2 / 10 awarded by the judge.

[SimonBolivar 10961]

I like to read the politics board on here, TexAgs, and SicEm365. I've never seen such a wide disconnect between reality. The conservative boards are 100% sure that there will be a large Trump victory even in the popular vote. We are more cautious in saying we're going to win, but I don't think there are any of us that doubts Biden will win the popular vote. There's going to be some really shocked people out there.

Edited November 2, 2020 by SimonBolivar

[Nice Guy Eddie 13537]

11 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Outright ban - no. With Congress help (assume left takes control).. absolutely can make it economically unappealing.

you're nuts if you think Biden's priority will be to discourage fracking tomorrow.  What's discourage fracking at the moment is the mismanagement of COVID that led to a decrease in O&G demand. I don't think Biden is the reason that everyone is losing their job at the moment. Or if Biden is the reason, I would love to hear more.

[DigglerontheHoof 21264]

5 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I’m hopeful that it becomes clear early on in the evening that sheer disgust for trump and the polls lack of ability to account for this becomes a talking point on the way to a blow out.

Same here, not getting my hopes up, though. 

[Pancho 45381]

3 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I like to read the politics board on here, TexAgs, and SicEm365. I've never seen such a wider disconnect between reality. The conservative boards are 100%sure that there will be a large Trump victory even in the popular vote. We are more cautious in saying we're going to win, but I don't think there are any of us that doubts Biden will win the popular vote. There's going to be some really shocked people out there.

bEcUz TrUmP bOaT pArAdeS!

[tantric superman 4668]

When is a judge going to sanction these motherfuckers just because goddammit, suits to suppress voting are un fucking American?

[Jive Turkey 12701]

2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

Bush is staying silent to protect the political future of his family.   

yeah.  George P. has already thrown his support to Trump. he's gone full Trumpster.  he thinks that's the way to win in Texas.  so Jeb and George W. aren't gonna cut George P.'s knees out from under him. at least not publicly.

funny thing is, if Texas turns blue in 2020 (or more likely in 2022/2024), then George P. should be stuck with the Scarlett MAGA on his chest.

[C-Man 27315]

53 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

What 2005 were you watching?  In my version Vince Young and co kicked the shit out of everyone on the schedule!

Oops. Misfire. Meant 1995.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10389]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

you're nuts if you think Biden's priority will be to discourage fracking tomorrow.  What's discourage fracking at the moment is the mismanagement of COVID that led to a decrease in O&G demand. I don't think Biden is the reason that everyone is losing their job at the moment. Or if Biden is the reason, I would love to hear more.

Not disagreeing with you, in fact agree. But if he wanted to and Dems had majority in Congress, he most certainly could make it painful.  I agree that he won't though. That's why even mentioning it was stupid.