2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[SizzleChest 8284]

52 minutes ago, Chooky said:

When Trump first attends any of his multiple trial hearings he'll be torn between going with the Harvey Weinstein on a walker/Goodfellas-mob-bosses-in-wheelchairs-and-oxygen-masks or dressed like Superman because "I have great jeans." [sic]

I'm holding out for the Don Imus unshaven cowboy look.  He needs to go for maximum disdain.

[tantric superman 4667]

59 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Norma McCorvey AKA Jane Roe didn’t actually have a change of heart.

She was paid off by the evangelical crazies to pretend she had a change of heart. She participated in a documentary about the whole thing right before she died. It’s called “AKA Jane Roe”.

M'kay. 

Doesn't change the fact that I'm not going to give a woman shit about either her choice to have an abortion, or her defense of whatever position she currently holds on abortion, whether it involves payoffs or not.

The fact that a large number of abortions are about $$$, or lack thereof, doesn't affect either the choice or the current position.

[tchookem 3905]

Imagine being Sydney Powell and waking up one morning to learn that Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump want to distance from you because of your zany rhetoric and inane theories.

In Q-World, the obvious answer is to double down. They'll publically distance farther from you, but respect you more. I'm serious, that's what she should do, and it will work.

[Chooky 13319]

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

I'm holding out for the Don Imus unshaven cowboy look.  He needs to go for maximum disdain.

Trumpkins wouldn't even notice the cowboy attire.  They'd jump straight to Donald being the reincarnation of Zeus.

[aggie08 21531]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

former hottie party girl in college who is now a chubby suburban housewife with 2 kids that hates her golf prick husband and lives for bunco and book club. 

Mom?

[Bozo_Casanova 26549]

MIchigan Board of Canvassers meeting live here:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?478327-1/michigan-bureau-elections-meets-certify-election-results&live

Staff is formally recommending approval and notes that they can find no mechanism for the board to audit further. Meeting materials here:

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/11232020_Mtg_Notice__Materials_708509_7.pdf

Edited November 23, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Tuco 5077]

It seems like the strategy is to bore the Trumpsters to disinterest.  Probably not a bad plan. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26549]

8 minutes ago, Tuco said:

It seems like the strategy is to bore the Trumpsters to disinterest.  Probably not a bad plan. 

They are honing in on exactly what I said - what the board must do (certify) and whether they can adjourn without doing it (not really, unless they lose a quorum mid meeting due to illness, etc).  No idea what will happens but the dialogue sounds like the GOP members are walking through this to highlight their lack of discretion on this for the benefit of the public and that remedies aren't available until after they do. 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Eastwood 4394]

Listening in on MI, it looks like it will be certified 3-1. Aaron Van Langevelde, who is a Republican member of the board, is stating that the board has no authority to demand any audits or reviews and that the law is unambiguous as to their duty to certify.

[Pato del Muerto 52596]

There’s an awful lot of “we would if we could” happening in these states by republicans. Not sure if they’re just saying that to appease their voters/potential killers or if they mean it. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

16 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

Defund the police was such a moronic phrase for the masses to rally behind.  Let's find a more obtuse, likely misused phrase to float.  But it's not that the GOP is so good at framing as much as their base wants to believe.  The GOP is making batshit crazy, nonsensical arguments and no matter what, their base cheers.  Trump rallied behind not wanting to ever see some towns again and they cheered.  They cheer not wearing masks, despite evidence of their corpses being loaded onto a semi, along with minorities and liberals.  That's some willful ignorance, but let's not pretend there's some kind of masterminded messaging.  They're rascists.  That's it.  The rest is pro-life, meaningful for some, empty bullshit for most.  They don't care about life or they'd be masking up.  

Yes and no. I agree that 'their base wants to believe.' They want absolution. They want attention. They are an endless pit of wants. I also agree that racism is rampant as is the self-deceptive innocence of others that fit some parts of the demographic.

I also agree that it isn't some kind of 'masterminded messaging,' but where I part from this is that there has been and is a definite intent and cohesion with GOP messaging. They do get together and discuss these things. Not so much the day to day stuff (like the trials, etc) but the overarching framework of messaging and how to package it. It was stated on Surly several times that it is easier to get fear to stick and the GOP combines that with the racism (!) and how they frame an issue. For example, say the word 'socialist,' and a Trump supporter will frown and boo. 'Social program?' Same response. That goes along with 'wanting to believe,' but it took some time for that messaging to stick IMO. Just as the party came slowly to convince people that the Democrats are somehow supportive of slavery because they aren't the party of Lincoln--thus creating a rationale to ignore a large swath of the twentieth century and historical changes. But socialism is their knee jerk response because the Republicans have been somewhat successful in portraying it as a government takeover, even though the policies that progressive Democrats have been proposing are pretty basic (healthcare and equality for all). In my opinion what Trump was successfully able to do, was take that messaging of 'the government is trying to ruin your lives' (arguably, one could argue that had already happened in a variety of ways) and promote it as 'they will control you further so you can't realize your greatness' (like meeeeee.). The traditional GOP had already begun that framework before Trump ever ran for office going back to Reagan (as has been noted on here before) as he was the OG when it came to discussing 'draining the swamp.' To be able to convince a large swath of the electorate that 'elites' only refers to Democratic leaning wealthy, RINOs, and Never Trumpers was a masterstroke. Look at the who's who of the Administration and with the exception of the most severely griftaholics, a pretty large percentage come from wealth, attended endowed schools, and travel in the same social circles. The saying nature abhors a vacuum? The GOP doesn't allow for a vacuum to exist, they jump in with both feet to occupy any and available space. All that time they had during the Impeachment Inquiry was spent, honing their propaganda and air time in a coordinated effort to protect themselves and to audition for the chance to remain on the Trump show. The Little House Apprentices. (The second series, The Little Senate Apprentices wasn't nearly as good.)

If raging against pedophilia is so important, why do the crowd of Q fanatics never question the horror of the children separated from their parents nor the reported sexual abuse of those children? Because the messaging leading up to that meant that those children aren't 'our' children and therefore they don't matter. Jeff Sessions quoted the Bible when defending the policy, ergo, it must be okay....

That is the culmination of some time spent to realize the effects of propaganda and messaging. The social media, corporate oligarchy structure, and a populist narcissist simply hastened its success. Oh, and a close personal acquaintance of said narcissist who leads a country that is quite good at propaganda and manipulating people.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins

[Chuckie Finster 22732]

Look, fuck Trump obviously, but he's got me listening to a fucking canvassing board meeting in a state I've never even set foot in.  My knowledge and participation in the democratic process has increased exponentially over the past four years, which is a good thing.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Chuckie Finster

[Chooky 13319]

8 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Look, fuck Trump obviously, but he's got me listening to a fucking canvassing board meeting in a state I've never even set foot in.  My knowledge and participation in the democratic process has increased exponentially over the past four years, which in all honesty is a good thing in the long run.

But then you get depressed again when you learn one member of the canvassing board has had two separate emergency procedures to remove light bulbs from their ass and another would be indifferent otherwise but feels the need to create a little bit of chaos because his garage is packed with 600 units of 5-gallon-buckets of survival gruel he has been unable to sell. 

[Chooky 13319]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

MIchigan Board of Canvassers meeting live here:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?478327-1/michigan-bureau-elections-meets-certify-election-results&live

Staff is formally recommending approval and notes that they can find no mechanism for the board to audit further. Meeting materials here:

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/11232020_Mtg_Notice__Materials_708509_7.pdf

I tuned in and one of the canvassers is feigning interest and pretending to take notes but he has his dick sticking out of his fly. He just doesn't seem like a serious person. 

[Tuco 5077]

14 minutes ago, Chooky said:

I tuned in and one of the canvassers is feigning interest and pretending to take notes but he has his dick sticking out of his fly. He just doesn't seem like a serious person. 

Turn your camera off, Jeffrey. 

[Chooky 13319]

3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Turn your camera off, Jeffrey. 

Get down

Turn around

Go to town

The boot toobin boogie

[lemonlime 5503]

How the fuck do you file a motion for expedited review, and then miss your filing deadline?  

[sidis 9832]

50 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Look, fuck Trump obviously, but he's got me listening to a fucking canvassing board meeting in a state I've never even set foot in.  My knowledge and participation in the democratic process has increased exponentially over the past four years, which is a good thing.

well now i have a wonderful exemplar to present to folks when i struggle with articulating with what solipsism is.

[Chooky 13319]

5 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

How the fuck do you file a motion for expedited review, and then miss your filing deadline?  

Reasons. Stuff. You know. Gah man. 

[Mdhorn 5987]

52 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Yes and no. I agree that 'their base wants to believe.' They want absolution. They want attention. They are an endless pit of wants. I also agree that racism is rampant as is the self-deceptive innocence of others that fit some parts of the demographic.

I also agree that it isn't some kind of 'masterminded messaging,' but where I part from this is that there has been and is a definite intent and cohesion with GOP messaging. They do get together and discuss these things. Not so much the day to day stuff (like the trials, etc) but the overarching framework of messaging and how to package it. It was stated on Surly several times that it is easier to get fear to stick and the GOP combines that with the racism (!) and how they frame an issue. For example, say the word 'socialist,' and a Trump supporter will frown and boo. 'Social program?' Same response. That goes along with 'wanting to believe,' but it took some time for that messaging to stick IMO. Just as the party came slowly to convince people that the Democrats are somehow supportive of slavery because they aren't the party of Lincoln--thus creating a rationale to ignore a large swath of the twentieth century and historical changes. But socialism is their knee jerk response because the Republicans have been somewhat successful in portraying it as a government takeover, even though the policies that progressive Democrats have been proposing are pretty basic (healthcare and equality for all). In my opinion what Trump was successfully able to do, was take that messaging of 'the government is trying to ruin your lives' (arguably, one could argue that had already happened in a variety of ways) and promote it as 'they will control you further so you can't realize your greatness' (like meeeeee.). The traditional GOP had already begun that framework before Trump ever ran for office going back to Reagan (as has been noted on here before) as he was the OG when it came to discussing 'draining the swamp.' To be able to convince a large swath of the electorate that 'elites' only refers to Democratic leaning wealthy, RINOs, and Never Trumpers was a masterstroke. Look at the who's who of the Administration and with the exception of the most severely griftaholics, a pretty large percentage come from wealth, attended endowed schools, and travel in the same social circles. The saying nature abhors a vacuum? The GOP doesn't allow for a vacuum to exist, they jump in with both feet to occupy any and available space. All that time they had during the Impeachment Inquiry was spent, honing their propaganda and air time in a coordinated effort to protect themselves and to audition for the chance to remain on the Trump show. The Little House Apprentices. (The second series, The Little Senate Apprentices wasn't nearly as good.)

If raging against pedophilia is so important, why do the crowd of Q fanatics never question the horror of the children separated from their parents nor the reported sexual abuse of those children? Because the messaging leading up to that meant that those children aren't 'our' children and therefore they don't matter. Jeff Sessions quoted the Bible when defending the policy, ergo, it must be okay....

That is the culmination of some time spent to realize the effects of propaganda and messaging. The social media, corporate oligarchy structure, and a populist narcissist simply hastened its success. Oh, and a close personal acquaintance of said narcissist who leads a country that is quite good at propaganda and manipulating people.

You can't fix the willfully stupid. 100 million people didn't vote for a president because it didn't affect them.  There has been lots of news on child separation, enough news on the impeachment hearings and a release of the Mueller report that if a person wanted to know what it said, they could read it, and tons of news on COVID--but it wasn't enough for 100 million people to care.  There were wild fires, repeated attempts to unravel universal healthcare, Trump's family, staff as well as many Congresscritters got sick, Trump's campaign aids got locked up and then released despite evidence of wrongful activity, there has been news of at first covert voter suppression and now straight up election rigging and yet, 100 million people chose to ignore these messages.  What possible agency can reach these people?   A unified message of what?  You could die if this continues has been the scariest message of all and 100 million people didn't vote on it.  A plague has shown to be well deserved and it still didn't move them.   Sure we have to keep trying but how do you educate the willfully ignorant?  

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

58 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Look, fuck Trump obviously, but he's got me listening to a fucking canvassing board meeting in a state I've never even set foot in.  My knowledge and participation in the democratic process has increased exponentially over the past four years, which is a good thing.

Good for you but the ends don't justify the means. He's motivating millions of Americans to reject the democratic process altogether. 

[Guest Lobo]

15 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

How the fuck do you file a motion for expedited review, and then miss your filing deadline?  

It's a bold strategy, let's see if it pays off Cotton.  

Trump is really starting to remind me of Robert Stack in "Airplane!"  

"Mr. President.  They're open to our motion for expedited review.  Should we filed before today's deadline?"  

Trump:  "No, that's just what they'll be expecting."  

I know some of you Trumpers and Q-types think he's brilliant and sees 7 moves ahead of the rest of us.  But he's not, he's crafty and resourceful, I'll give him that.  But he's not cunning or proactive.  He's just a scared animal backed into a corner who is throwing out whatever he and his team can think of to prolong this thing and/or cast doubts over it.  He's a kid who didn't do their homework and is acting out and breaking shit because they were embarrassed by their teacher in front of their friends at school.  That's not intelligent, that's juvenile.    

But what we should have done as parents is been the proactive ones.  We should have raised him differently.  Now all that's left to do is beat the living shit out of him in front of his followers at school.  Give him in-school suspension, don't let him be class president, and then kick the shit out of him again. 

 

Tom Hanks predicted this undermining of faith in the electoral process for MAGA's going forward  at the 3:10  mark: 

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Lobo

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

11 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

You can't fix the willfully stupid. 100 million people didn't vote for a president because it didn't affect them.  There has been lots of news on child separation, enough news on the impeachment hearings and a release of the Mueller report that if a person wanted to know what it said, they could read it, and tons of news on COVID--but it wasn't enough for 100 million people to care.  There were wild fires, repeated attempts to unravel universal healthcare, Trump's family, staff as well as many Congresscritters got sick, Trump's campaign aids got locked up and then released despite evidence of wrongful activity, there has been news of at first covert voter suppression and now straight up election rigging and yet, 100 million people chose to ignore these messages.  What possible agency can reach these people?   A unified message of what?  You could die if this continues has been the scariest message of all and 100 million people didn't vote on it.  A plague has shown to be well deserved and it still didn't move them.   Sure we have to keep trying but how do you educate the willfully ignorant?  

I don't know, really. It's fighting the war on two fronts. My husband says people make changes when it's too painful not to, but I disagree with him on that sometimes too. (Witness the COVID patients dying in South Dakota who cannot grasp that it is COVID that is killing them). As per the conversation above that is going simultaneously with this one, there are many Americans who will reject democracy altogether if they haven't already.

[Chuckie Finster 22732]

21 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Good for you but the ends don't justify the means. He's motivating millions of Americans to reject the democratic process altogether. 

My apologies if my statement came off as commentary on the world at large.  It was merely a passing comment on my own political engagement.  Trump has unquestionably accelerated the demise of our nation as a whole.

Edited November 23, 2020 by Chuckie Finster

[AnTiM 1669]

53 minutes ago, Chooky said:

I tuned in and one of the canvassers is feigning interest and pretending to take notes but he has his dick sticking out of his fly. He just doesn't seem like a serious person. 

Oh, I don't know about that.  It would seem he appears to be serious about one thing...

[Mdhorn 5987]

3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I don't know, really. It's fighting the war on two fronts. My husband says people make changes when it's too painful not to, but I disagree with him on that sometimes too. (Witness the COVID patients dying in South Dakota who cannot grasp that it is COVID that is killing them). As per the conversation above that is going simultaneously with this one, there are many Americans who will reject democracy altogether if they haven't already.

That last sentence--if it doesn't favor them.  Covid doesn't favor them but they still deny it.  It's an impossible conversation when someone is willing to die for their beliefs.  They're fanatics and fanatics are dangerous.  They are showing they're ready to die for their beliefs because of blind faith.  

Edited November 24, 2020 by Mdhorn

[Js1 85570]

40 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

 

 

With GA already certified, Michigan just certified and PA being certified in about 2 hours, that fat fuck Emily Murphy has no excuse now.  Even if you exclude AZ, NV and WI, which certify later, Biden has 279.

Put the fucking fork down and ascertain him the winner and start the transition, you fucking bitch. 

[Pig Bellmont 8738]

Just now, Js1 said:

With GA already certified, Michigan just certified and PA being certified in about 2 hours, that fat fuck Emily Murphy has no excuse now.  Even if you exclude AZ, NV and WI, which certify later, Biden has 279.

Put the fucking fork down and ascertain him the winner and start the transition, you fucking bitch. 

You’re absolutely correct. I’m betting she’s planning on waiting until: (1) the electoral college votes in December, or (2) never. 
 

The Biden team should file a lawsuit and TRO application first thing in the morning to begin the formal transition. Ascertaining the “apparent winner” couldn’t be clearer now that more than enough states have certified their results 

[Pescado_Rojo 19428]

1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

How the fuck do you file a motion for expedited review, and then miss your filing deadline?  

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Lionel Hutz - “Scotch?“

Marge- “But it’s 10:00 in the morning!??

Hutz- “Yeah but I haven’t slept in days.”

 

That’s always been one of my favorite lines. 

 

[gyroprotagonist 2595]

4 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

the brownest of the brown liquors

[Neonmoon 38130]

More grift to do 

 

[Pig Bellmont 8738]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

More grift to do 

 

The counting is over. What the fuck is she talking about?

[Js1 85570]

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

More grift to do 

 

February 27, 2021: 

The president's legal team, led by the corpse of Rudy Giuliani, says "The inauguration was just a procedural step.  We are going to continue this fight to show that President Trump won all the legal votes.  In two weeks, he will be inaugurated and Joe Biden thrown in a gulag in Siberia.  Save the Children.  Release the Kraken." 

[AnTiM 1669]

She is ranting and raving about nothing, just has she has been since the election.

[Chuckie Finster 22732]

More grift to do 
 

“Joe Biden taking the oath of office is simply a procedural step.”

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 hour ago, sidis said:

well now i have a wonderful exemplar to present to folks when i struggle with articulating with what solipsism is.

You are lucky to have folks willing to listen to someone speak of solipsism. 

Good entry on the solipsism. Cite: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/other-minds/

Quote

The traditional epistemological problem of "other minds" is often associated with scepticism. The sceptic raises a doubt about the possibility of knowledge in connection with the mind of another, a doubt which is thought to follow from a more general doubt raised by Descartes concerning our knowledge of the external world. This latter doubt arises in stages, each of which is designed to draw us into a more wide-reaching scepticism: at stage one it is observed that the senses sometimes deceive; at stage two the possibility of an extended dream is considered; and at stage three the possibility is introduced that there is an Evil Demon deceiving me to think that there is a world beyond how things appear.

It is with the third stage that Descartes thought we encounter the possibility of universal doubt about an entire domain, in this case the external world. Descartes has found a way to retreat into his own mind, where he claims to find both knowledge and truth: I can know how things appear to me; external things are now in doubt. Cartesian doubt is radical and it has been raised by philosophers not just in connection with our knowledge of the external world, but also of the past, induction, and other minds. 

In connection with other minds, we might press Descartes’ first sceptical consideration, thus: I am sometimes deceived about what another is thinking or feeling. But, as with the external world, this is not sufficient for radical doubt concerning others. Radical doubt may be thought to arise when one presses the third sceptical consideration, the possibility that an Evil Demon (or mad scientist) has contrived that all others apart from myself are automata/zombies—non-thinking, non-feeling individuals who move in a manner similar to the way I move. We can associate a ‘thin’ sceptical problem with the former doubt and a ‘thick’ sceptical problem with the latter (Avramides 2015). The former is a problem we grapple with in our everyday lives; the latter is a distinctively philosophical problem. It is the thick skeptical problem that leads to the possibility of solipsism—that I am alone in the universe.

 

[RDCanecutter 26470]

4 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

She is ranting and raving about nothing, just has she has been since the election.

Well, with her bold and devoted stance, she probably got the Dems to not cancel Christianity.

[Neonmoon 38130]

Good news. Maybe she can go ride bikes with Graham 

 

[Js1 85570]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

Good news. Maybe she can go ride bikes with Graham 

 

Now fucking retire, you old bat. 

[sidis 9832]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

You are lucky to have folks willing to listen to someone speak of solipsism. 

 

well, they just listen to whatever i tell them to listen to.  they are just extensions of myself after all.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Look, fuck Trump obviously, but he's got me listening to a fucking canvassing board meeting in a state I've never even set foot in.  My knowledge and participation in the democratic process has increased exponentially over the past four years, which is a good thing.

That’s like learning the intimate details of divorce proceedings.  Yeah, it’s worth it,  but damn...

[washparkhorn 9939]

15 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

The counting is over. What the fuck is she talking about?

Their theory of the case was not dependent on winning in court. As others have said, they are attempting to pump out so much sewage that state legislators will feel compelled to cancel the vote and the legislators will choose the electors. Republicans outnumber Dems in state legislatures. Therefore, Trump wins.

It's not working for them. (Knock on wood).

[Beau Vine 54426]

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

6 minutes ago, sidis said:

well, they just listen to whatever i tell them to listen to.  they are just extensions of myself after all.

Correct, now get off my fingernail. Go to 1:47 

 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

How the fuck do you file a motion for expedited review, and then miss your filing deadline?  

Only the best people.

[Michael Knight 12995]

 

[RPM 26353]

2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

10 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

 

Took you long enough you asshole 

also 

 

Edited November 23, 2020 by Neonmoon