2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[Bruh Man 3160]

I hate the media in this country.

 

[Bruh Man 3160]

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Edited September 18, 2020 by Bruh Man

[Gatorubet 30064]

A good friend of mine from high school who supports Trump...
 
Anyway the point is he’s kind of a dumbass. 

Redundant post is redundant

[jimmyjazz 45513]

Doesn't look like she DIDN'T work her butt off?

[Tuco 5076]

2 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Don't forget about the odd votes in NE and ME, which was the point of my post.  NE2 and ME2 win in that scenario too, so it's not all up to NC.  Frankly, I imagine both NE2 and ME2 end up more likely than any of OH, GA, NC anyway.

Clarification:

ME-2 OR NE-2 win in that scenario.  You said it correctly in your first post, but just wanted to clarify for folks skimming. 

Biden will win NE-2.  

[gmr548 16463]

diverse pockets that still go red
 

I know you didn't mean racially diverse but this just reads very funny if that's what comes to mind

[G650 13990]

35 minutes ago, Bevo in VA said:

One of the reasons for the long lines that's making this newsworthy is that this is the first year VA has allowed no-excuse early voting.  In the past, you had to have a reason so this is kind of a novelty for us up here.

I'm pretty stoked for it myself.

 

But Virginia is down here, not up here. Up here are the fucking Yankees in New England. Before anyone brings up Texas, Texas is over there.

[4th&Five 41457]

"executing babies after birth"

 

[Gap03 3248]

To recap, as things in the Midwest (MN, WI, and MI) continue to solidify in favor of Biden, things look increasingly bad for Trump.  With those three states, Biden has 258 EVs, so he'd need only 12 more to win, with the following options:

• PA (20) (D+5)
• FL (29) (D+2)
• NC (15) (D+1)
• GA (15) (D-2)
• TX (38) (D-2)
• OH (18) (D-2)
• AZ (11) (D+5)  + ME-2 (D+2ish) or NE-2 (D+?)

Ideally he'd win two of the bigger states.  If the win involves just 1 state or the AZ route, all hell will probably break loose in the weeks after Nov. 3. 

[Guest Lobo]

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

"executing babies after birth"

 

I live by four simple rules:

Never get less than 12 hours of sleep.

Never play cards with a guy named after a city.

Never get involved with a woman who has a dagger tattoo. 

And never call somebody else "Crazy" and follow it up with the phrase, "executing babies after birth" 

 

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

57 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

The premise is that Trump wins all the gold (toss up) states.  So in that map he wins PA and OH.  

I’m aware. But the fact that this is listed as a toss up but PA is pink implies there is a world where PA goes for trump while Ohio goes for Biden. Such a thing will not happen. 

[Rougarou 594]

1 hour ago, Bruh Man said:

I hate the media in this country.

 

This is a problem with dumb people who don't understand BFS industry and just generally don't understand the knowledge, skill and discipline needed to get, keep, and grow/succeed in any white shoes/collar job.

And add on top of that this is a woman not from a target school (though Lehigh is a good second tier) and working in banks. An industry who announced their first woman CEO in the history of all banking, last week (compared to other industries where minorities/women have seen comparable success).

Edited September 18, 2020 by Rougarou

[SydneyCarton 47809]

20 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m aware. But the fact that this is listed as a toss up but PA is pink implies there is a world where PA goes for trump while Ohio goes for Biden. Such a thing will not happen. 

So you should just have stuck to the original, and per you obvious, premise that PA went pink and OH went red? This is a weird fucking thing for you to be pedantic about. The guy fucking played with the map to make it that way and you're pissed he didn't flip Ohio too?

[Ghost of LL 15348]

2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

For any of you looking for ways to help in the voter protection area for the blue team, here's the link to see your options, including poll watching.

TxDem Voter Protection Team

They would really appreciate some more lawyers on the team.  

C'mon, @Brisketexan--what else are we going to do with our lives?

[Mo Horn 8795]

Yea, I'm sure the majority of those folks in line aren't voting for you. "Playing" is an interesting choice of words. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

37 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

"executing babies after birth"

The comment below:

 

[Rougarou 594]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The comment below:

 

As usual, Trump exaggerates and is hyperbolic, but I think it's an interesting debate. Here is kind of a both sides I saw from USA Today. To note, some of these babies who are born terminal are terminal upon birth due to botched (late-term) abortions, in a begging the question or begating the situation sort of affair.

“If abortionists do not supply medical care for premature babies that survive abortions, their intent is for the baby to die, even if he or she might be saved with a little medical assistance,” she wrote. “This is to actually kill the baby through a crime of omission.”

However, Heuser said doctors in such cases often determine that medical intervention is not only futile in the long run but would in fact prolong a newborn’s pain.

“The baby is not ignored – comfort care includes things like food, oxygen, pain medication and skin-to-skin contact,” she said. “Everyone’s goal is to make the newborn as comfortable as possible, respect the time the family has with their child, and avoid interventions that would cause additional suffering without changing the outcome.”

The legal situation in such cases varies from state to state. In some states, women whose own health is not in danger are barred from having abortions at late stages of their pregnancy even in cases of severe fetal anomalies.

“Those mothers would be forced to carry a baby to term that they know is going to die,” said Heuser, who cited cases where women with sufficient money have traveled to other states with less-stringent laws.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

6 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The comment below:

 

That's fantastic.  People should start doing this with more of his crazy bullshit.

[6th Street 6340]

10 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Yea, I'm sure the majority of those folks in line aren't voting for you. "Playing" is an interesting choice of words. 

Man he must have seen those lines in Fairfax Co, VA and freaked out sending this panicked, incoherent desperation tweet.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Rougarou said:

As usual, Trump exaggerates and is hyperbolic, but I think it's an interesting debate. Here is kind of a both sides I saw from USA Today. To note, some of these babies who are born terminal are terminal upon birth due to botched (late-term) abortions, in a begging the question or begating the situation sort of affair.

 

 

Maybe we should leave that “debate” between the mother and the doctor instead? Is this really a political issue?

[Pancho 44358]

 

[Rougarou 594]

5 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Maybe we should leave that “debate” between the mother and the doctor instead? Is this really a political issue?

Is euthanasia a political issue (while also being a moral/ethical/religious/values issue as well)?

I view abortion at 35 weeks for terminal/chronic issues identified in the womb or whatever no differently than mercy death/killing for terminal cancer/chronic pain people. 

It's necessarily a political issue, fundamentally, because there are laws that dictate what is possible and not possible (e.g. in that USA Today article the lady had to fly to Colorado from her hometown where it is illegal on the East Coast in order to abort at 35 weeks).

Edited September 18, 2020 by Rougarou

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

32 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So you should just have stuck to the original, and per you obvious, premise that PA went pink and OH went red? This is a weird fucking thing for you to be pedantic about. The guy fucking played with the map to make it that way and you're pissed he didn't flip Ohio too?

Yes.  There is no world in which PA is a pink state and Ohio is a toss up. It's non sensical. It's a moo point.  Like what a cow says.  I like my maps to have some overall logical consistency with how the world works and not a bizarre mash up of random electoral vote totals to try to get to a point.  OH is a state with a red tilt of like 5. PA is a state with a blue tilt of 3.  They are located next to each other so there's not some weird thing where you could have a candidate appeal to some odd regionally diverse candidate.  

So, when you make a map that has PA being won by a republican there is NO FUCKING WAY you should have neighboring Ohio as a toss up, b/c such a universe doesn't exist.  

[Bevo14 8260]

Ugh the DE/TE coach from my high school team friended me on facebook and started posting pro-cop shit. I hope he's not MAGA since I respected this man. I always regret my weekly login to facebook to see some of my high school friends and classmates posting hoaxy MAGA shit. It's not so hard to believe that Trump won PA last time...

Edited September 18, 2020 by Bevo14

[Tuco 5076]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I’m aware. But the fact that this is listed as a toss up but PA is pink implies there is a world where PA goes for trump while Ohio goes for Biden. Such a thing will not happen. 

Did you think he was saying Ohio would remain undecided in the final tally?

[gmr548 16463]

coach from my high school team... I hope he's not MAGA

Narrator: He's MAGA

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

4 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Did you think he was saying Ohio would remain undecided in the final tally?

No of course not.  But coloring a map in in different colors is serious fucking business man, ok?  You don't just go off making half cocked decisions like- I'm going to color PA in for the GOP and leave Ohio as a toss up- that either side could plausibly win. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Biden kinda killing it right now.  Finally hammering Trump on that tax cut scam. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

13 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No of course not.  But coloring a map in in different colors is serious fucking business man, ok?  You don't just go off making half cocked decisions like- I'm going to color PA in for the GOP and leave Ohio as a toss up- that either side could plausibly win. 

 

Take pride in being the only person on the board that interpreted the map that way.  

[Red Five 40593]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Biden kinda killing it right now.  Finally hammering Trump on that tax cut scam. 

I think that's the best I've heard him sound the entire campaign.

Summed up: "Trump doesn't have a plan for anything because he doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care". 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I think that's the best I've heard him sound the entire campaign.

Summed up: "Trump doesn't have a plan for anything because he doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care". 

Agreed.  Best speech I’ve heard from him thus far. 

[mchookem 16095]

25 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I think that's the best I've heard him sound the entire campaign.

Summed up: "Trump doesn't have a plan for anything because he doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care". 

that is fantastic. perfect encapsulation. make yard signs! 😃

[lemonlime 5503]

 

[Horn Dog 9644]

9 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

 

That’s sedition!

[Ghost of LL 15348]

4 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Every study I've ever seen from economists who do this shit for a living says that you want to be the front runner and people are going to band wagon along with you in greater numbers than go out determined to vote for the other guy.  This is just bedwetting worries from people who aren't viewing this rationally. 

Yeah--you will see leads that the polls show to be comfortable turn suddenly into landslides (see, e.g., Reagan 1984, Abbott 2014).

And then there is the really weird thing where pollsters ask people in February for whom they voted for president the previous November.  Invariably, it shows that the winner would've won by 5-10 more points if everyone who says they voted for him in February actually voted for him back in November.

46 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

 

My mother's hometown.  Home of Paul Bunyon and Babe the Blue Ox.

Makin' me proud.

[Brisketexan 104465]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Yeah--you will see leads that the polls show to be comfortable turn suddenly into landslides (see, e.g., Reagan 1984, Abbott 2014).

And then there is the really weird thing where pollsters ask people in February for whom they voted for president the previous November.  Invariably, it shows that the winner would've won by 5-10 more points if everyone who says they voted for him in February actually voted for him back in November.

My mother's hometown.  Home of Paul Bunyon and Babe the Blue Ox.

Makin' me proud.

Half brother grew up in Mahnomen.  Nothing like walking across the headwaters of the Mississippi and only getting your shins wet.

Still....lotta MAGA farmers up there.  I don't get it, but they are.

[mdmost 42775]

2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

Yea, I'm sure the majority of those folks in line aren't voting for you. "Playing" is an interesting choice of words. 

I'm playing for your non-executed babies after birth. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I think that's the best I've heard him sound the entire campaign.

Summed up: "Trump doesn't have a plan for anything because he doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care". 

What makes it so great is its 100 percent true and even trump’s dipshit supporters know it, they just don’t care. 

[washparkhorn 9931]

Does Trump know he cannot win this election after COVID-19?  He sold out the working class (just like Hillary). He sold out those who were unfairly lumped in as deplorables (Hillary ran as the working class hero in 2008; she turned her back on the working class in 2016 and it cost her (and the nation). Biden is picking them up in 2020. that’s a huge blow to Trump. 
 

What demographic has to switch for Trump to win?  I can’t think of any significant group switching to Trump at this point. 

aren’t we in the get out the vote phase? 

[washparkhorn 9931]

1 hour ago, lemonlime said:

 

That is rock solid Republican-Trump land. They grew up on Michelle Bachman and Jesse Ventura. A raspberry soup with not a blueberry In sight.  I am not surprised the MyPillow Minnesotans are all-in for Trumptales. He is going to safe areas. He needs to expand the map.  
 

and those are some brave folks out there showing their blue colors. Some will call them the violent left. . 

Edited September 18, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Jive Turkey 12562]

3 hours ago, Lobo said:

I live by four simple rules:

Never get less than 12 hours of sleep.

Never play cards with a guy named after a city.

Never get involved with a woman who has a dagger tattoo. 

And never call somebody else "Crazy" and follow it up with the phrase, "executing babies after birth" 

 

what's up, Coach Finstock?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

7 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Does Trump know he cannot win this election after COVID-19?  He sold out the working class (just like Hillary). He sold out those who were unfairly lumped in as deplorables (Hillary ran as the working class hero in 2008; she turned her back on the working class in 2016 and it cost her (and the nation). Biden is picking them up in 2020. that’s a huge blow to Trump. 
 

What demographic has to switch for Trump to win?  I can’t think of any significant group switching to Trump at this point. 

aren’t we in the get out the vote phase? 

Yes he knows he can’t win which is why he’s setting up the whole bullshit “the vote was rigged” narrative. It’s all his pea brain and clown show posse have left. 

[washparkhorn 9931]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Good. It’s time. The transition will be perilous. Right the ship first and get it sailing. 

[washparkhorn 9931]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Yes he knows he can’t win which is why he’s setting up the whole bullshit “the vote was rigged” narrative. It’s all his pea brain and clown show posse have left. 

100% agree. He is making excuses for the loss he is facing. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

I mean everyone here thinks trump is an idiot and in a book learning and intellectual curiosity and overall competence and wisdom standard he’s beyond an idiot on any level.

But what he does possess is an animal like instinct of self preservation and so while he thinks he should win, I guarantee you  right now he realizes he is not and therefore his brain tells him to do anything and everything he can to win no matter what the consequences may be.

He’s not as dangerous as a Hitler type but he should not be underestimated either as some sort of bumpkin like the seal clapping idiots who support him. He knows how dumb they are and will seek to manipulate them in whatever way and method he can. 

[Brisketexan 104465]

8 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I mean everyone here thinks trump is an idiot and in a book learning and intellectual curiosity and overall competence and wisdom standard he’s beyond an idiot on any level.

But what he does possess is an animal like instinct of self preservation and so while he thinks he should win, I guarantee you  right now he realizes he is not and therefore his brain tells him to do anything and everything he can to win no matter what the consequences may be.

He’s not as dangerous as a Hitler type but he should not be underestimated either as some sort of bumpkin like the seal clapping idiots who support him. He knows how dumb they are and will seek to manipulate them in whatever way and method he can. 

This.  Make no mistake.  If he does some sort of calculation where he determines that flat-out killing 100,000 Americans in, say San Francisco, would win him the election, not only would he do it, he would do it as casually as the rest of us make a cup of coffee.

He'd kill half the world if he thought it would make the surviving half love him.  He not only doesn't care about you, he views your existence as worthwhile only to the extent that it gives him something.  You are disposable, something to be used and discarded.

That makes him the most dangerous man on the planet now, and there's not even a close second.  KJU is a more rational actor than he is.

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

It’s just that simple!