2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[pyrohornIII 4814]

3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

C'mon, @Brisketexan--what else are we going to do with our lives?

Notice, I didn't say anything disparaging about the profession.  Should get me a couple of points, maybe.  

[Bruh Man 3160]

Listened to Biden's MN speech. Today is the best he's sounded in years. This populist messaging needs to be at the forefront of his campaign. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Make no mistake.  If he does some sort of calculation where he determines that flat-out killing 100,000 Americans in, say San Francisco, would win him the election, not only would he do it, he would do it as casually as the rest of us make a cup of coffee.

He'd kill half the world if he thought it would make the surviving half love him.  He not only doesn't care about you, he views your existence as worthwhile only to the extent that it gives him something.  You are disposable, something to be used and discarded.

That makes him the most dangerous man on the planet now, and there's not even a close second.  KJU is a more rational actor than he is.

All of this is 100 percent correct.

I still maintain he is not as dangerous overall as a competent evil leader like Hitler or Stalin though. And he is fighting a system set up that has persevered over time. America is flawed but its still great, despite what the Republican Party has become and has done all it can to destroy it.

After all, it is still just a political party. At least right now. And a minority one at that. But given another 4 years, the trump party will probably dismantle that system entirely. That simply cannot happen. 

[Bevo14 8303]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

All of this is 100 percent correct.

I still maintain he is not as dangerous overall as a competent evil leader like Hitler or Stalin though. And he is fighting a system set up that has persevered over time. America is flawed but its still great, despite what the Republican Party has become and has done all it can to destroy it.

I've been telling myself that all this time, but he's still fucked up a decent amount of shit given that he is probably the dumbest politician in the history of this nation.

[Voldemort86 2259]

What happened with RBG fucking sucks, but I think it’s too late in the game to change the trajectory of the race in any meaningful way.

trump is still most likely going to lose.

[wildcat09 29346]

2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

All of this is 100 percent correct.

I still maintain he is not as dangerous overall as a competent evil leader like Hitler or Stalin though. And he is fighting a system set up that has persevered over time. America is flawed but its still great, despite what the Republican Party has become and has done all it can to destroy it.

After all, it is still just a political party. At least right now. And a minority one at that. But given another 4 years, the trump party will probably dismantle that system entirely. That simply cannot happen. 

You have a popular but flawed understanding of who Hitler was. He wasn’t much smarter or fundamentally any more competent than Trump. The Reich looked a lot more like Trump’s White House than the perfect model of German efficiency that it later became popular to imagine it as having been. Make no mistake, Trump is a mortal threat to any American who opposes him and will kill us all if he decides it’s in his interest to do so.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Hitler actually served in the military and spent some time in prison. In some ways Trump is worse because he doesn’t give a shit about his own country. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[ndawg 1242]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

You have a popular but flawed understanding of who Hitler was. He wasn’t much smarter or fundamentally any more competent than Trump. The Reich looked a lot more like Trump’s White House than the perfect model of German efficiency that it later became popular to imagine it as having been. Make no mistake, Trump is a mortal threat to any American who opposes him and will kill us all if he decides it’s in his interest to do so.

Indeed, Hitler was a nincompoop. The success of the Germans in WWII stemmed from their systemic approach to wartime preparation and manufacturing ingenuity. For instance, they developed a system for mass producing aircraft by a very clever form of task scheduling that has since become the norm in manufacturing across the world.

It was America's manufacturing that managed to outclass them, through selfless teamwork, united against common cause. Detroit was huge for us in WWII. Detroit died when the boomers took over and couldn't keep pace with the competition from Japan.

I shudder at the thought that we might be the country that needs invading before it's all over.

[JimmyJames 12271]

19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You have a popular but flawed understanding of who Hitler was. He wasn’t much smarter or fundamentally any more competent than Trump. The Reich looked a lot more like Trump’s White House than the perfect model of German efficiency that it later became popular to imagine it as having been. Make no mistake, Trump is a mortal threat to any American who opposes him and will kill us all if he decides it’s in his interest to do so.

Maybe so. You Might be right and I guess time will tell.

I don’t think Hitler ever attempted to take power by alienating the persons in power of his party to the extent which trump has done. They have cooperated though, so again, maybe you are right. Again time will tell. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

One fundamental difference between Hitler in 1930 or so and Trump in 2020 is the net. Whether that works for good or for bad has yet to be determined. But it is a difference. 

Dean Corrl would not have been able to murder all the kids he did in Houston in the 70s today without people noticing it. Its kind of crazy he never got the notoriety he deserved. 

[BrickHorn 18216]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

One fundamental difference between Hitler in 1930 or so and Trump in 2020 is the net.

Another difference is that Q targets political affiliation, which is not necessarily hereditary. It’s gonna be a tougher sell to round up liberals when children, siblings, and friends of your supporters are liberals. 

I hope.

[JimmyJames 12271]

 

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.“

That is the preamble. Here is the reality.

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

 

And there is the compromise that haunts the nation to this day. The slaves, ie blacks, are not worthy of the ideals espoused in the preamble. Because the slaves are not part of the preamble. And are only 3/5 of a person, according to the constitution. 

250 years later we are still arguing about this. And its not the fault of the poor whites who support trump, its the fault of the elites who continue, to this very day, to divide us all. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by JimmyJames

[Dark Horse 2279]

17 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Another difference is that Q targets political affiliation, which is not necessarily hereditary. It’s gonna be a tougher sell to round up liberals when children, siblings, and friends of your supporters are liberals. 

I hope.

They came for the socialists first...

[troph 24781]

 

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.“

That is the preamble. Here is the reality.

“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

 

And there is the compromise that haunts the nation to this day. The slaves, ie blacks, are not worthy of the ideals espoused in the preamble. Because the slaves are not part of the preamble. And are only 3/5 of a person, according to the constitution. 

250 years later we are still arguing about this. And its not the fault of the poor whites who support trump, its the fault of the elites who continue, to this very day, to divide us all. 

There are people who actually don’t realize 3/5ths language is in our constitution. And I’m not going to name names but shocking. It’s a curse that we still live under.

[jimmyjazz 45888]

25 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Another difference is that Q targets political affiliation, which is not necessarily hereditary. It’s gonna be a tougher sell to round up liberals when children, siblings, and friends of your supporters are liberals. 

I hope.

Brothers fought brothers in the Civil War.  I'm not hopeful.

[BradInATX 9208]

10 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen, let me start by saying to each of you I've never been hoping to be wrong more than at any point in my life. And this is a guy who decried Greg Davis since the beginning and had to watch a Red River Shootout every year.

 

I know all this man. It just feels like PA is finding a way to behave like fucking Florida. But yeah, I know all of this. I am not pretending my gut is anything other than 2020 PTSD and being a fucking pussy. 

I have the same weird gut feeling about PA that you do, but I think it might be PTSD and both of us being fucking pussies. So there's that.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Part of the reason America became great was by murdering the native Americans, even if by sometimes by accident due to illness, and enslaving the blacks.

I didn’t do it and neither did you. It all happened in the past. Doesn’t really bother me too much. Got kids to raise and bills to pay. So I don’t exactly understand why acknowledging that fact should really be all that controversial. It happened. Deal with it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

Given that we know Trump cares more about winning than political philosophy or even legacy, an interesting move for him would be to say that he agrees that the next president  and the next senate should nominate and confirm. This could potentially bring some conservatives home for the election to re elect Trump and get the senate red.

and if that plan fails, he and Mitch have ~50 days from the election to the new senate to do whatever they want.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Given that we know Trump cares more about winning than political philosophy or even legacy, an interesting move for him would be to say that he agrees that the next president  and the next senate should nominate and confirm.

And this is exactly how Trump could fuck McConnell.  He uses the vacancy exclusively for his own political advantage. 

[Jack Straw 2954]

10 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Covid is taking dead aim right now at the midwest states dotard needs.  it still won't make him do anything about it.  well, maybe he'll have more rallies there and kill more people but i don't think that's helpful.

well, it would be helpful to me.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

And this is exactly how Trump could fuck McConnell.  He uses the vacancy exclusively for his own political advantage. 

Any president at this point would think about election impact. Trump will most likely nominate by the end of next week but it would be interesting if he waited. In either case, he will use it to get a bump in the polls. Hell, he might start talking about how Breyer may not last that much longer. Give Trump 4 more years, and he will give conservatives the Supreme Court for the next generation.  That’s powerful GOTV material.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Any president at this point would think about election impact. Trump will most likely nominate by the end of next week but it would be interesting if he waited. In either case, he will use it to get a bump in the polls. Hell, he might start talking about how Breyer may not last that much longer. Give Trump 4 more years, and he will give conservatives the Supreme Court for the next generation.  That’s powerful GOTV material.

I’m starting to not worry as much about winning this election. 
 

independemts are going to see this country shifting so far to the right because of the courts alone that they will overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Trumps crappy 40% base can’t outweigh a bunch of pissed off democrats and independents.

i know the damage is done because Ginsburg didn’t make it, but I see relief coming in a few months. 

[MidTexHorn 822]

I agree. I think RBG’s death acts as a supreme motivator for the middle and left. The crazies on the right were already going to vote, it’s the left that needs the get out the vote factor and her passing helps with that I think. 

[softlynow 1812]

3 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I’m starting to not worry as much about winning this election. 
 

independemts are going to see this country shifting so far to the right because of the courts alone that they will overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Trumps crappy 40% base can’t outweigh a bunch of pissed off democrats and independents.

i know the damage is done because Ginsburg didn’t make it, but I see relief coming in a few months. 

I feel a bit better not because of independents but because turnout on the Dem side is going to be 2008 levels or better. That alone will do it. Independents are morons, and don’t seem swayed by left-right anyway. The additional gravy, especially in Arizona and maybe a couple other states (Georgia, Texas, SC Senate race?) is defecting Pubs, not necessarily Indys.

[BradInATX 9208]

Given that we know Trump cares more about winning than political philosophy or even legacy, an interesting move for him would be to say that he agrees that the next president  and the next senate should nominate and confirm. This could potentially bring some conservatives home for the election to re elect Trump and get the senate red.
and if that plan fails, he and Mitch have ~50 days from the election to the new senate to do whatever they want.

lulz

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, MidTexHorn said:

I agree. I think RBG’s death acts as a supreme motivator for the middle and left. The crazies on the right were already going to vote, it’s the left that needs the get out the vote factor and her passing helps with that I think. 

the Democrats task is so easy now.

they can hammer the GOP on healthcare again. We have to come to terms with the fact that the GOP will kill Obamacare, but it’s going to cost them at the polls. They have the votes to kill it now, but democrats have tons of ammunition. Millions of people are going to lose their insurance and preexisting condition protections and the GOP is not going to get away with it.

in the end, I’m hoping the GOP looks back on it as a Pyrrhic victory.

[safe sex 11697]

1 hour ago, Voldemort86 said:

the Democrats task is so easy now.

they can hammer the GOP on healthcare again. We have to come to terms with the fact that the GOP will kill Obamacare, but it’s going to cost them at the polls. They have the votes to kill it now, but democrats have tons of ammunition. Millions of people are going to lose their insurance and preexisting condition protections and the GOP is not going to get away with it.

in the end, I’m hoping the GOP looks back on it as a Pyrrhic victory.

They will only see a victory.

[Horn Dog 9816]

6 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I’m starting to not worry as much about winning this election. 
 

independemts are going to see this country shifting so far to the right because of the courts alone that they will overwhelmingly vote for Biden. Trumps crappy 40% base can’t outweigh a bunch of pissed off democrats and independents.

i know the damage is done because Ginsburg didn’t make it, but I see relief coming in a few months. 

This is where I am.  Let them do it...all of it.  Appoint your justice, kill Obama Care, outlaw abortion and equal rights. Do it!  Then watch the opposite and equal reaction occur, and hopefully it won’t be equal.  Immediately pack the courts and make DC and PR states.  Then get right to work on campaign reform and Gerrymandering.  They won’t be back in power for generations.

[Biff Tannen 45665]

1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

This is where I am.  Let them do it...all of it.  Appoint your justice, kill Obama Care, outlaw abortion and equal rights. Do it!  Then watch the opposite and equal reaction occur, and hopefully it won’t be equal.  Immediately pack the courts and make DC and PR states.  Then get right to work on campaign reform and Gerrymandering.  They won’t be back in power for generations.

[Fudge Nuggets 19189]

My street got a couple of more Biden signs this week.  Current tally is dotard 4 Biden 3.  Since this is deep red territory (Montgomery County) I’ll take it as a good sign.

[Jive Turkey 12594]

This is the new norm. 

 

[Bevo14 8303]

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the new norm. 

 

Maybe they thought their flags would count as their votes.

[Brisketexan 105069]

This is the new norm. 
 

They’re going to do a lot more than this. This is only the beginning.

Prepare for armed irregulars intimidating voters....and then armed individuals protecting them. Oh, and a Trump DOJ will protect the right wing paramilitaries, and arrest any resistance to them.

This is going to become a shooting war a lot sooner than you think.

[Voldemort86 2259]

21 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the new norm. 

 

What a bunch of fucking losers.  I’d probably moon them after casting my ballot if they came where I live.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Voldemort86

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

26 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is the new norm. 

 

Serious question.  Isn’t this illegal?

[mchookem 16322]

i don't understand the point. standing there with their flags and signs and chants...how is that anything other than annoying and laughable outside a polling place? 

nobody standing in line is going to change their vote bc of these clowns. even if they were armed.

 

[ultimaton 2966]

6 minutes ago, mchookem said:

i don't understand the point. standing there with their flags and signs and chants...how is that anything other than annoying and laughable outside a polling place? 

nobody standing in line is going to change their vote bc of these clowns. even if they were armed.

 

It's about intimidating you from getting in line in the first place

[Guest Lobo]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Serious question.  Isn’t this illegal?

Yeah, maybe it's different in Virginia...but once I was voting in some mid-term election 6 years back or so and had the candidate running for some mid-level Texas race...a campaign button/lapel pin on my jacket from earlier in the day (was voting after work) since we were all supporting him for work purposes.  Anyway, didn't even remember it was on and the polling volunteer asked me to take it off before they'd start checking me in.  I did and it was fine, they reminded me of the barrier laws about any campaign materials near the polling place.  It was a pin maybe one inch across.  And the handful of polling places I use, you can have signage along the road, but the parking lot and the sidewalk and the building itself have to be kept free of anything that looks like campaign materials, even PAC materials non-specific to any one race).  Saw a guy once in a Congressional shirt once out in the parking lot trying to talk to people walking in to vote get asked to leave the parking lot.  I think those are fine and acceptable laws in Texas to keep the polling location as private, quiet, discrete, and non-partisan as possible. 

But what the fuck with Virginia?  Just a borderline riot of 500 Trump dickweeds waving banners the size of Broncos out there?  How the fuck is that remotely acceptable considering they're right on top of the voting line?  Not across the street, right on top of the people waiting in line.  And the people in line can't really do anything.  You don't want to engage them and lose the spot you've been waiting for hours in.  You can't exactly bring your own banner to wave in line with you saying "Trump is a Coward" because I know that's illegal.  You can't really do anything to disrupt the line or the atmosphere, because you're the one that gets booted outta line, not them.  That's literally the definition of Voter Intimidation...pin them into a virtual and physical corner so that they cannot do anything but remain silent and fearful.  Again, I'll defer to some of the Virginia residents we have on this thread about what the fuck this is all about?  

[Bevo in VA 342]

49 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Serious question.  Isn’t this illegal?

Here's the relevant statute:

 

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A. During the times the polls are open and ballots are being counted, it is unlawful for any person (i) to loiter or congregate within 40 feet of any entrance of any polling place; (ii) within such distance to give, tender, or exhibit any ballot, ticket, or other campaign material to any person or to solicit or in any manner attempt to influence any person in casting his vote; or (iii) to hinder or delay a qualified voter in entering or leaving a polling place.

B. Prior to opening the polls, the officers of election shall post, in the area within 40 feet of any entrance to the polling place, sufficient notices which state "Prohibited Area" in two-inch type. The notices shall also state the provisions of this section in not less than 24-point type. The officers of election shall post the notices within the prohibited area to be visible to voters and the public.

 

Looks like as long as they are not within 40 feet of the entrance they are ok (even if they are a bunch of assclowns).  This probably doesn't account for the reality of voting this year due to social distancing requirements pushing people out the door in lines further away from the entrance.  Additionally, in years past, it's never been a problem because so few people would actually vote early, there wouldn't be any lines stretching out away from the entrances.

 

Legislature might have to go back and revisit the law to take these new realities into account.

[Fudge Nuggets 19189]

The parking lot at my polling location is always crammed with assholes waving banners, holding up signs, wearing their team’s gear, etc. It’s a nuisance but has never deterred me from going in and casting my ballot. 

[Guest Lobo]

That's 'cause you're a fucking badass.  Time comes in a few weeks to vote in person in Texas, and there's 50 of these dipshits at my polling place and they're on top of those of us in line shouting pro-Trump shit because we're technically 50' away from the entrance and that's only because of social distancing requirements.  Then I'm not going to espouse what every other voter from both sides on this site have said, "Oh man, I'll fucking throw down.  I'm packing, I'm a hardass for my side."  

Bevo in VA brings up a great point.........of what use is the X# of feet rule this time around when those were designed for just long-day-of lines on Election Day.  We're gonna have lines that appear hundreds of feet long not just due to volume, all throughout the 3 weeks of early voting, but because of the social distancing requirements...lines will extend all the way to major roads, etc.  Nevermind these neantherdals will be breathing Covid-19 onto people in those lines as they stand and shout their pro-Trump bullshit.  

Somebody is gonna get trigger happy in one of those polling places.  We're about to replace the "School Shooting" terminology with something else entirely.  

At the end of the voting day though, they go back to their cars.  Cars have license plates.  License plates have title behind them.  Titles have humans behind them.  Those humans have names.  Those names have jobs.  Well..............they used to have jobs.  Go ahead and come to the polling place heavy.  We both know you're not gonna shoot me.  You have no idea how easy it is to get your identity and ruin your chances for employment.  And your children will never set foot on a college campus in Texas because of who their parents were.  I assure you, our capabilities are more lethal than your bullets.  

[HenryJames 66038]

 

[Red Five 40845]

 

 

[Voldemort86 2259]

39 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Better get ready to pull a Bobby Fischer asshole.

 

cant wait.

[henrygandorf 29189]

[Tuco 5076]

On 9/18/2020 at 11:41 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Any president at this point would think about election impact. Trump will most likely nominate by the end of next week but it would be interesting if he waited. In either case, he will use it to get a bump in the polls. Hell, he might start talking about how Breyer may not last that much longer. Give Trump 4 more years, and he will give conservatives the Supreme Court for the next generation.  That’s powerful GOTV material.

So far, Trump has been fairly competent on the Supreme Court nomination. But I keep waiting for him to Trump it up.

Most likely way is that he will vocalize some obvious extortion to the religious right: support me, donate to me, or I will nominate a liberal. 

Most hysterical way would be that he nominates someone the right wingers like, and then, after losing the election and before the nominee can be confirmed, he pulls the nomination out of spite. 

[4th&Five 41514]

 

[StassneyHorn 6574]

I’ve been making the Austin to Victoria drive every few weeks for a slew of weddings and family outings. Before this weekend I had never seen any kind of Biden signs during that trip. Saw seven today on my way back. Two in Victoria near my parents, two in Cuero, one in Gonzales and two in Lockhart.

[Mo Horn 8831]

Granted I live in the most liberal county in Kansas, but Dem signs outnumber GOP signs 10:1. In the end the state will go red though.