2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[HenryJames 65868]

Trafalgar seems legit.

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

15 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Or, they know this is in the bag and one small rally is not worth the risk to their constituents. It's not going to move the needle. Win first, regain control and power, then start working to quell the crazies

By not standing up to the terrorists, the terrorists have won.

So what happens if there are rampant signs of voter suppression and dotard steals the election?  Dems organize some rallies, the terrorists run their little blockades and Dems cancel the protests like some little mark ass bitches.  It's bullshit and the dotard supporters have NO reason not to continue on with their reckless behaviors.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[Dbeasy 14953]

Someone talk me off the ledge that the Russians have figured out a way to change voting results to swing the election to Trump.

I hear pundits say it’s impossible, but then we’ve now seen two incidents of Russians breaking into voting machines. In 2016, there were no re-counts to verify hard copy votes matched what was stored electronically, even though polls showed Clinton should have won. There likely will only be re-counts if a state is too close to call.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Someone talk me off the ledge that the Russians have figured out a way to change voting results to swing the election to Trump.

I hear pundits say it’s impossible, but then we’ve now seen two incidents of Russians breaking into voting machines. In 2016, there were no re-counts to verify hard copy votes matched what was stored electronically, even though polls showed Clinton should have won. There likely will only be re-counts if a state is too close to call.

Biden and Obama were privy to all the intel gathered until 2017.  Dems in the Senate Intel committee probably know what’s been going down since.  We have to trust Biden’s people to be on top of this and know how to beat it.

[gmr548 16463]

For the first time ever, the Australian Government is recommending that their citizens should not travel to the USA due to a high probability of election related violence and risk of Covid exposure.



Y’all tired of the winning yet?

Third world country

[DigglerontheHoof 21022]

4 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Biden and Obama were privy to all the intel gathered until 2017.  Dems in the Senate Intel committee probably know what’s been going down since.  We have to trust Biden’s people to be on top of this and know how to beat it.

Doesn't fill me w/ confidence, to be honest. 

[gmr548 16463]

So, are people here worried that Trump will declare victory before all the votes are counted?

I think the real question is, will you fap just once or make it multiple rounds when he does?

[TexEx15 17444]

 

[G650 13990]

 

Wasserman's map

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Wow, that is dead even.  That’s pretty crazy that 4% of voting Texans still intend to break for a third party candidate.  I’d have guessed half that 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

You shouldn’t be worried about Trump declaring victory on election night because he will. This was always going to happen.

But it doesn’t matter. Some people also seem to think that networks calling the election or a candidate conceding matters. The only thing that matters is each state certifying the vote count. Which always takes days if not weeks. Michigan took a few in 2016 iirc.

I do agree with trump that it’s bullshit that some of the states can’t move faster on Election Day. I’m hearing that some Pennsylvania counties are claiming they may not be able to open all of the mail in ballots on Election Day. Then hire more temp works. Shift other employees over to do that work.

[Neonmoon 38127]

I'm guessing Trump is hoping for this scenario. 

With PA/WI counting votes late, will try to use courts to steal the election

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

I'm guessing Trump is hoping for this scenario. 

With PA/WI counting votes late, will try to use courts to steal the election

For the ideal Trump map, you should also have AZ gray. Dems took their foot off the gas out there when Kelly started showing large leads on McSally. We should expect all 3 of AZ,WI and PA to not be known until some point on Wednesday. Hopefully in the morning.

omaha will be important if Trump takes PA.

[Pancho 44358]

Dave Waaserman’s final prediction 

 

[immamac 42492]

7 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Fuck that, too bothsidesy.

I have yet to see any obnoxious jackasses in trucks sporting Biden flags and menacing others. Republican politicians and voters have done this. Anyone who supports them is complicit.

You realize that if Trump wins EV and PV that there is only one side right? 

[lemonlime 5503]

You shouldn’t be worried about Trump declaring victory on election night because he will. This was always going to happen.
But it doesn’t matter. Some people also seem to think that networks calling the election or a candidate conceding matters. The only thing that matters is each state certifying the vote count. Which always takes days if not weeks. Michigan took a few in 2016 iirc.
I do agree with trump that it’s bullshit that some of the states can’t move faster on Election Day. I’m hearing that some Pennsylvania counties are claiming they may not be able to open all of the mail in ballots on Election Day. Then hire more temp works. Shift other employees over to do that work.

The Republican Pennsylvania legislature made it the law there that the mail in ballots can’t be counted until Election Day. The GOP set up this entire mess. They’re not letting officials count the ballots early, and now they’re arguing that because those ballots aren’t counted early they shouldn’t be counted. They’re un-democratic fucksticks.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

What are we down to for a legitimate Trump win?

take PA

or, lose PA but take AZ, WI and Omaha? 
 

I know people consider FL, GA, NC and possibly TX in play for Dems but the smart money is that they all go red.

[Celery Man 20874]

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

What are we down to for a legitimate Trump win?

take PA

or, lose PA but take AZ, WI and Omaha? 
 

I know people consider FL, GA, NC and possibly TX in play for Dems but the smart money is that they all go red.

Trump needs PA. I don't see how he could win without PA

I guess he could lose PA if he gets WI & AZ but that seems less likely. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

4 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

The Republican Pennsylvania legislature made it the law there that the mail in ballots can’t be counted until Election Day. The GOP set up this entire mess. They’re not letting officials count the ballots early, and now they’re arguing that because those ballots aren’t counted early they shouldn’t be counted. They’re un-democratic fucksticks.

Elections have never been a football game with a clock running down to 0. They’re a baseball game that is over when it’s over.

no one credible in PA is saying to not count those votes. I haven’t heard anyone in the courts or DOJ say that mail in ballots are less than in person. I do hope that we don’t have morons in PA that wait days to finish the count.  It’s also BS that the large PA counties are not finding the budget to do this work faster. 

as for Trump attempting to burn down America as he goes out? 100% he is and will. But this is a consequence of people voting for him (or Gary Johnson) in 2016.

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

49 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Third world country

Aka:  shit hole country.

[Aqua Buddha 14489]

If Wasserman's map plays out, Biden doesn't need PA because he has him winning AZ, GA, and NC.

As for the Texas poll being dead tied, that means Biden is winning it based on recent outperformance of Democratic candidates.

[Hank Kingsley 20635]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Trafalgar seems legit.

I consider this good news. Trafalgar does a ton of polling (almost all favorable to Trump) and this guy is clearly a political operative. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Trump needs PA. I don't see how he could win without PA

I guess he could lose PA if he gets WI & AZ but that seems less likely. 

I agree.  From what we know, this is Biden’s to lose. Trump has two walls to attack with PA seemingly to be the easiest.

And if Trump takes PA, I think it can all be due to the Dems insistence on screaming about fracking bans during the primaries. Dems always screw themselves with negative economic policies because what many people hear is, lost jobs.  Is fracking really a one-issue voter for any liberal? No. But threaten well paying jobs and you lose voters.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I consider this good news. Trafalgar does a ton of polling (almost all favorable to Trump) and this guy is clearly a political operative. 

Yeah when hannity is having to explain detailed paths for a Trump victory, Fox is telling him it looks bad for trump. Not impossible but plan for it not happening.

hence why the next subject is always voter fraud and ultimately get the SCOTUS to decide. When you can’t win, change the rules.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Trump seems to have done everything possible to undermine his own victory should he win.  I’m not sure reasonable people could see his win as legitimate since he ran a campaign with no platform except, “here’s how I’m going to subvert the post office and steal the election in the courts.” 
 

 

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

And I don’t say this lightly but fuck George W Bush for sitting by quietly for the past 4 years and especially recently.

im not expecting him to join Biden at rallies but I doubt he likes what he sees from trump. Except he’s too much of a coward to speak publicly. Like others I guess he’s afraid of the wrath of trump.

For someone that doesn’t seem to care what people think of him, he certaintly wants to maintain gop friends.

[Pancho 44358]

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

If Trump wins, our country is fucked because its' full of terrible shitty people. 

[4th&Five 41457]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And I don’t say this lightly but fuck George W Bush for sitting by quietly for the past 4 years and especially recently.

im not expecting him to join Biden at rallies but I doubt he likes what he sees from trump. Except he’s too much of a coward to speak publicly. Like others I guess he’s afraid of the wrath of trump.

For someone that doesn’t seem to care what people think of him, he certaintly wants to maintain gop friends.

Agreed. I never want to hear “but at least W is a good person” shit. He had another chance to do the right thing and he failed like he always has. Fuck him. 

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

The electoral college has to go. We should stop letting geography decide our president. 

[burntorangebongos 10681]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

And I don’t say this lightly but fuck George W Bush for sitting by quietly for the past 4 years and especially recently.

im not expecting him to join Biden at rallies but I doubt he likes what he sees from trump. Except he’s too much of a coward to speak publicly. Like others I guess he’s afraid of the wrath of trump.

For someone that doesn’t seem to care what people think of him, he certaintly wants to maintain gop friends.

This goes for all the Bush family. Maybe they are staying quiet for the sake of JP Bush's political future in the republican party but fuck them. Speaking the fuck out against Trump shouldn't disrupt it.

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[immamac 42492]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The electoral college has to go. We should stop letting geography decide our president. 

Yeah agreed. Geography for president is dumb, the senate is enough lopsided now to offset the reason for president EC 

[bad_teammate 13125]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The electoral college has to go. We should stop letting geography decide our president. 

The actual problem is Congressional apportionment.

Ensure that you have 1 Congressmen per 250k people and the electoral college point is moo.

Also, ensure that you have 1 Senator per 1M people.

The small states still get outsized influence, but it's not a decisive imbalance.

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by bad_teammate

[immamac 42492]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The actual problem is Congressional apportionment.

Ensure that you have 1 Congressmen per 250k people and the electoral college point is moo.

Also, ensure that you have 1 Senator per 1M people.

The small states still get outsized influence, but it's not a decisive imbalance.

 

That is hilarious and before the executive branch absorbed so much power. The house and senate are fine with minor tweaks. The executive is broken and not representative of the populous

[totallynotabuttpirate 5341]

9 hours ago, GRHorn said:

You talk like a fag, and your shit’s all retarded 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

Removing the electoral college requires getting the smaller states to agree to to lessen their power, via constitutional amendments. I don’t see that happening.

the correct moves, that can be done by a majority in Congress, is making DC and PR states, along with drastically increasing the size of the House. Both will increase the EC vote total and therefore align the EC more with the popular vote. I would also automatically set the House to grow as population increases.

if the Dems sweep, this should all be done in the first 100 days.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie

[bad_teammate 13125]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

That is hilarious and before the executive branch absorbed so much power. The house and senate are fine with minor tweaks. The executive is broken and not representative of the populous

Yep.

Reapportion Congress.
Re-empower Congress.

Imagine if these ghouls were constantly having to answer to popular desires.

[immamac 42492]

Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Removing the electoral college requires getting the smaller states to agree to to lessen their power, via constitutional amendments. I don’t see that happening.

the correct moves, that can be done by a majority in Congress, is making DC and PR states, along with drastically increasing the size of the House. Both will increase the EC vote total and therefore align the EC more with the popular vote. I would also automatically set the House to grow as population increases.

if the Dems sweep, this should all be done in the first 100 days.

Lol no. The problem is those states need to be railroaded. Get people to move to your shitty state. 

[Guest Lobo]

To be fair to President Bush, he has been following the centuries long tradition of previous presidents not getting overly involved in subsequent elections.  Sure there's been examples, but most of the time-most former Presidents remain mostly quiet.  Bill Clinton hasn't been terribly visible for Biden during this final stretch.  Maybe in private donor-only Zoom calls or someshit, but he hasn't been that high profile for Biden.  Bush didn't really around Romney in 2012 either.  Carter was pretty quiet in 1992 for Clinton.  
 

And to be fair to those that think Obama should have remained off the campaign trail, he gets two passes from me---this is his former VP, not just some awkward blind date set up by the DNC.   It'd be weird not to stump for him.  And Obama was largely silent during the first 3 years of Trump's presidency, and I think that's the right decorum.  But once Trump started with the "Obama pulled the greatest political crime in American history" bullshit and wanted Obama arrested, Obama took off the decorum gloves and started insulting Trump and I love it.  I would have (in a pandemic responsible fashion) rolled up to the Dept. of Justice, invited 100 news cameras, and stood on the steps with my wrists together and proclaimed, "I'm here at President Trump's request to turn myself in for the greatest political crime in American history.  Apparently everybody knows about all the evidence, so I'll wait out here for ten minutes and they can bring it on out, present it to my lawyer, and take me in for questioning.  No evidence?  Then shut up and do your job, because---and I speak from experience---I don't know where you find the time to whine and hurl accusations most of the day."  /rant

Alright, back to Texas on Election Day.  What high turnout counties tomorrow spell good for Trump?  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Just now, immamac said:

The house and senate are fine with minor tweaks.

I would expand the house and abolish the senate, or just make the senators super representatives. Point is, the senate has outlived its usefulness. It’s just a built in veto against democracy. 

[immamac 42492]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Yep.

Reapportion Congress.
Re-empower Congress.

Imagine if these ghouls were constantly having to answer to popular desires.

That's not why the executive has concentrated powers...this wouldn't do shit. 

[heso 2748]

45 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Elections have never been a football game with a clock running down to 0. They’re a baseball game that is over when it’s over.

no one credible in PA is saying to not count those votes. I haven’t heard anyone in the courts or DOJ say that mail in ballots are less than in person. I do hope that we don’t have morons in PA that wait days to finish the count.  It’s also BS that the large PA counties are not finding the budget to do this work faster. 

as for Trump attempting to burn down America as he goes out? 100% he is and will. But this is a consequence of people voting for him (or Gary Johnson) in 2016.

The two biggest counties in the state, Allegheny and Philadelphia are starting the count at 7:00am Tuesday. Those two counties account for almost 1/3 of the mail in votes in the state. I’m sure they are doing everything they can to get the count done as quickly as possible but at the end of the day they have to feed the ballots into a machine to count the votes so they can only go as fast as the machines they have will allow. 

The other thing to keep in mind is that they have to keep accepting and counting ballots for 3 days as long as they have a Tuesday post mark. So some people may think PA has 3 days to count the votes, there is no time limit (as far as I know) on counting. The time limit is on how long they can receive legally cast ballots. 

it took a week to count the primary votes. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by heso

[immamac 42492]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I would expand the house and abolish the senate, or just make the senators super representatives. Point is, the senate has outlived its usefulness. It’s just a built in veto against democracy. 

I think it's necessary to have the "slow down" of the Senate, but not in its current form with the bogus Cloture rules. The Cloture rules need to not be weaponized they need to be used for the purpose they were made for... housecleaning. Vote on shit on the docket quickly.