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[Storm the Field 5366]

Hanen says that if he even found plaintiffs to have standing, he'd have denied the request to enjoin counting of drive-in votes already cast. Specifically says they are valid votes cast by registered voters who had ID checked.

[APMP 688]

Hanen dismissed for lack of standing.

Said if 5C overturned, he would not toss cast ballots but would enjoin tomorrow's drivethrough voting. Intervention granted for people who already voted (just in case).

[Beau Vine 55867]

25 minutes ago, G650 said:

Dude, most of us are right of center.

Yeah, I'm definitely right of center.

[jimmyjazz 47209]

26 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Dude- anyone who is right of center is run off of this sub forum.  Look around. Other than a very occasional drive by there's basically nobody here who isn't totally and completely in lockstep with being 100% all dem all the time, and to the extent where that position takes any fire it's from the commie section of the board in bad_teammate. 

You're fucking out of your mind.  I don't have the energy to educate you, but holy shit, I hope you are trolling, because otherwise my family's 4 degrees from Wash U are seriously compromised.

[Brisketexan 106901]

3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

What does “no standing for plaintiffs” mean exactly?

 

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

People can only bring lawsuits if they have a personal stake in the case (with very few exceptions). That's called standing. If you don't have standing court's can't hear the case. That's about as simple as I can explain it.

You have to have a stake in a dispute.  So, if Helobious and 'stache have a contract fight, and Brisket thinks that Helobious has a really good argument, and he's my friend, and I really want a ruling for him....I can't sue 'stache for breach of contract.  I'm not a party to the contract, so I have no standing.

This applies across the board.  I'm not a voter in Iowa, so I can't sue about voting fights in Iowa.  That sort of thing.  And it's required for a court to have jurisdiction -- courts only have jurisdiction over fights between real parties in interest.  That's the shorthand.

[Bama Chick 28596]

[UncleCharlie 334]

56 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is the fucking insanity that is literally the mainstream position of the GOP.   Fucking look at it.  It's fucking batshit insane.  And it's the mainstream belief.

You'll like my comment. 😃

[Wulaw Horn 19596]

7 minutes ago, Helobious said:

What does “no standing for plaintiffs” mean exactly?

That they didn't have the right to bring the case or controversy to the court- so the court will not rule on the merits of the case.  

[4th&Five 42005]

Just now, Bama Chick said:

 

Strong closing argument for sure.

[Jive Turkey 13005]

There has to be a case or controversy to be in federal court under Article III. To have standing, plaintiff must have suffered an injury. Something concrete. Not hypothetical. Also it must be traceable back to defendant. And it must be something the court can redress. 

Plaintiffs couldn’t show they suffered an injury in fact so they can’t sue. 

[mchookem 16769]

7 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

It’s because it’s drive through and you sit in the car.  If they were standing in the cars they would have.....

 

standing.

 

7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

these two posts back-to-back are why i come here 🤣❤

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Wait, no one here is down with seizing the means of production and turning the United States into Venezuela? 

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

 

We're all just living in the worst fucking bizarro-simulation.  These people will literally cheer/chant anything that enormous fucking idiot says.  There isn't one single policy position he can articulate or his audience would understand.

[Wulaw Horn 19596]

5 minutes ago, elfenix said:

sure there is.  it's just over in DT and the football board grievance-signaling about "SJW" and "wokeness"

I said sub forum earlier or later in my post or earlier or later in another post. That's what I meant there. I inelegantly typed site.  Actually, b/c I'm only a semi literate monkey I initially typed "side" and later corrected to site. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

So to put it in non lawyer terms, this was a frivolous lawsuit? 

[UTDD 362]

The judge seems to be hinting that "you idiots should have tried this injunction much earlier" before people voted this way.  The common sense idea that voters relied on this method as legit, and that it would be unfair to disenfranchise these specific votes is very correct to me.

[SizzleChest 8314]

Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

So to put it in non lawyer terms, this was a frivolous lawsuit? 

More of a "none ya business, now go fuck off" ruling.

[Huckleberry 34661]

33 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Dude- anyone who is right of center is run off of this sub forum.  Look around. Other than a very occasional drive by there's basically nobody here who isn't totally and completely in lockstep with being 100% all dem all the time, and to the extent where that position takes any fire it's from the commie section of the board in bad_teammate.  This board is completely a left wing echo chamber.  100% total and complete.

This is 100% bullshit.

I have never been and will likely never be a Democrat. There are plenty of people like me still on this subforum.

[Biff Tannen 46168]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

Totally normal

[thepop 4418]

 

[Wulaw Horn 19596]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

So to put it in non lawyer terms, this was a frivolous lawsuit? 

Nah.  To get to frivolous you really need to have no good faith belief that you have standing or an actual chance at winning. I don't think this rises to that level. 

['stache 22144]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Wait, no one here is down with seizing the means of production and turning the United States into Venezuela? 

I'm "left of center" so this is obviously the only thing I support.

[Beau Vine 55867]

13 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Plaintiffs have no standing in case in Texas drive thru voting. 

I'm not going to believe it till Hugo Stiglitz reports it.

[G650 14437]

9 minutes ago, elfenix said:

grievance-signaling

I'm 100% stealing this.

[Texaspython 231]

1 minute ago, SizzleChest said:

More of a "none ya business, now go fuck off" ruling.

If the 5th circuit touches I’ll be very surprised. The appeals court is to lean heavily on the trial court’s examination of the evidence in reaching a conclusion.

[wildcat09 29579]

1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Nah.  To get to frivolous you really need to have no good faith belief that you have standing or an actual chance at winning. I don't think this rises to that level. 

It fucking should.

[Bateshorn 9991]

Thanks to the Surl Law Dogs. I Appreciate you.

[Beau Vine 55867]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

You have to have a stake in a dispute.  So, if Helobious and 'stache have a contract fight, and Brisket thinks that Helobious has a really good argument, and he's my friend, and I really want a ruling for him....I can't sue 'stache for breach of contract.  I'm not a party to the contract, so I have no standing.

This applies across the board.  I'm not a voter in Iowa, so I can't sue about voting fights in Iowa.  That sort of thing.  And it's required for a court to have jurisdiction -- courts only have jurisdiction over fights between real parties in interest.  That's the shorthand.

Shouldn't "no standing" have been decided very early this morning then, so they could skip all the bullshit arguments about whether a tent is a structure?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

 

Just now, Texaspython said:

If the 5th circuit touches I’ll be very surprised. The appeals court is to lean heavily on the trial court’s examination of the evidence in reaching a conclusion.

agree 5th will uphold. disagree on the reasoning.  doesn't seem like disputed underlying factual issues are determining standing here.  looks like a pure legal question.  are these morons the right ones to be making this moronic argument?  probably no deference to hanen.

[cactusflinthead 27627]

City people get told a story by a farmer whose combine burnt to the ground. He blames those nasty Antifa fuckers of arson because of his Trump flags.

And she calls them out for being rubes

 

[406W30th 1111]

2 minutes ago, thepop said:

 

Weird. Those seem like important, Dem-leaning areas. Must be a coincidence.

 

[wildcat09 29579]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Shouldn't "no standing" have been decided very early this morning then, so they could skip all the bullshit arguments about whether a tent is a structure?

There's the practical consideration of the need to dispose of this case one way or the other before tomorrow. Had he ruled early on standing and they sent an appeal to the appellate court, only to have that overruled and then sent back for him to hold a hearing on the merits, it would have taken more time.

[Storm the Field 5366]

Two more final IPSOS polls:

FL
Biden 50, Trump 46. 49-47 last week. 

NC

Biden 49, Trump 48

Cunningham 48, Tillis 46

No change in POTUS race. Tillis dropped 1 point.

[Neonmoon 38130]

2 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Weird. Those seem like important, Dem-leaning areas. Must be a coincidence.

 

Is central Penn dem leaning?

[Brisketexan 106901]

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Shouldn't "no standing" have been decided very early this morning then, so they could skip all the bullshit arguments about whether a tent is a structure?

Court wants to make a full record, so all bases for grant/denial of relief can be considered on appeal.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Shouldn't "no standing" have been decided very early this morning then, so they could skip all the bullshit arguments about whether a tent is a structure?

Maybe the judge was just screwing with them to try to help run the clock out? I don't know the inner workings of appeals at all, but I assume your case can become weaker as you come up against a deadline.

If I was Hotze I would stop trying to get an appeals ruling today, and start planning how to fight if many Harris County and state races end up close. Fight to get these drive-thru votes tossed later on. However it seems like he is going to lose everywhere.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19305]

3 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Weird. Those seem like important, Dem-leaning areas. Must be a coincidence.

 

They addressed on CNN this AM.  You can go in and invalidate your ballot and vote in person.

[Dnaguy 12631]

24 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

[cactusflinthead 27627]

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

28 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

On this board- certainly.  In the real world?  Tomorrow- 45% +/- of your fellow American's are going to go out and vote for them. There's not a single bit of representation of that on this site.  not a centrist position. I'm willing to hear arguments that it's the correct position, but not that it's the centrist position.  

Wulaw, I want to respond to this, but I have other things to do and to treat this properly would require something like 1000 words, gravied in condescension. I'm sure there will be time for that someday, but for now, I'll just point out that "centrist" is not "the center". When the GOP (not conservatives, mind you, the party as a faction) has radicalized to the point that they no longer recognize the legitimacy of the institutional and procedural center of our politics, it shouldn't be surprising that they have shown themselves out of discussions that take it for granted.

That being said, as you well know the people most active on this board today are largely the same core group that dominated Hornfans West Mall in 2003 - then and still center-right conservatives. The GOP has changed. That's the difference.

[Hiphopopotamos 21191]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

They addressed on CNN this AM.  You can go in and invalidate your ballot and vote in person.

Unless of course you're an old trying to avoid the COVID.  Or disabled.  Or don't have a way to a polling center.  Or a thousand other reasons that might have led a person to mail in a ballot.

[cactusflinthead 27627]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Maybe the judge was just screwing with them to try to help run the clock out? I don't know the inner workings of appeals at all, but I assume your case can become weaker as you come up against a deadline.

If I was Hotze I would stop trying to get an appeals ruling today, and start planning how to fight if many Harris County and state races end up close. Fight to get these drive-thru votes tossed later on. However it seems like he is going to lose everywhere.

I don't think he's smart enough to think that far ahead. At least I've seen no indication that he is. 

[Huckleberry 34661]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That being said, as you well know the people most active on this board today are largely the same core group that dominated Hornfans West Mall in 2003 - then and still center-right conservatives. The GOP has changed. That's the difference.

Perfectly and accurately summarized.

[Beau Vine 55867]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Is central Penn dem leaning?

No, central Penn is very cult-friendly.  

[ndawg 1242]

19 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Dude- anyone who is right of center is run off of this sub forum.  Look around.

Right wing != Trumpism. Trumpism is not respected here, but nor should it be. It's batshit insane bullshit that's been somehow transmogrified into a mainstream political ideology merely by sheer numbers of driveling morons. But even with that point made, we still don't actually run off Trumpists. They're given every opportunity to provide evidence and reasoning for their perspective, or to challenge our own, but they simply can't -- for the same reason flat earthers can't really participate in legitimate scientific inquiry. So, when their nonsense fails to hold up to basic scrutiny, they inevitably give up and lay low for a while, waiting for the next news cycle to bring them a new batch of shitty gotchas to throw at us.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

SIAP. Remember the NY real estate agent filmed yesterday tearing up Biden signs and yelling at the woman filming?  He's gone from his job that he had for 20 years.

https://www.inman.com/2020/11/02/corcoran-drops-agent-caught-trashing-biden-signs-in-viral-video/

In recap, he wasted his day tearing down Biden signs in a state in which Biden is coasting towards a big victory, got fired, and possibly ruined future job prospects. When someone asks him how his weekend went, he has quite the response.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

cool, so let's kill the existential threat and then we can go back to fighting over the crumbs our overlords toss our way

[horn4life 3838]

Well at this point it's turnout, and the math that tilts strongly for Biden.

The one thing that strikes me most every election, is WHY does the GOP always run on lies?  Cornyn is actually a great supporter legislatively of Obamacare and the mandate to insure those with preexisting conditions?  When the exact fucking opposite is true. 

I hope we can turn Texas blue, or at least turn the Texas leg blue.  I think there is a decent chance not a great chance, but a sliver that nobody would have predicted.  I think we are gonna look back and see that younger folks did show up in better numbers, and a more diverse electorate is gonna make a difference.  I am especially hoping that we can retire my gerrymandered Michael McCaul representation...

[cactusflinthead 27627]

I hope he's one of the first mfers indicted

 

[thepop 4418]