2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[Biff Tannen 45495]

Just now, Ghost of LL said:

Here's the problem with Stacey Abrams: she's never held more than a state house seat.  And whoever Biden picks is going to need to be able to assume the presidency immediately.  I think that pretty much narrows the field to (1) Senators, (2) Congresswomen, (3) Governors, and (4) Michelle Obama.

To be fair, she should be governing Georgia right now. But she’s not my first choice anyway. Also, I really don’t get why people are buying into the “Joe is dying” thing. It’s the same thing they tried with Hillary. She’s doing fine, last I checked. 

[Ghost of LL 15492]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

To be fair, she should be governing Georgia right now. But she’s not my first choice anyway. Also, I really don’t get why people are buying into the “Joe is dying” thing. It’s the same thing they tried with Hillary. She’s doing fine, last I checked. 

She should be.  But she isn't.

And I didn't say "Joe is dying."  I will say, however, that on Inauguration Day, he'll be 78 years old.  He looks like he's in fine shape, but I'm just speaking as to the actuarial tables--78-year old guys with high-stress jobs don't have fantastically long life expectancies.  He could definitely make it to January 20, 2025.  But he also might not, and his vice president is going to need to be better prepared than most vice presidents have been.  

[henrygandorf 29177]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

To be fair, she should be governing Georgia right now. But she’s not my first choice anyway. Also, I really don’t get why people are buying into the “Joe is dying” thing. It’s the same thing they tried with Hillary. She’s doing fine, last I checked. 

if joe is not up to running again in 2024, and i think it's at least a 50-50 shot that he's not, then there needs to be a succession plan in place with his vp pick, even if it means that person becomes president in 2022 and is the presumptive nominee in 2024.  for that reason, i agree, i would like someone with some governing experience as vp.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

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We’ll start with the good news for him: Biden leads President Trump nationally by 7 points among all registered voters, 49 percent to 42 percent (though that’s down from his 9-point advantage a month ago).

 

And when the race is reduced to 11 swing states — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — Biden’s combined lead over Trump is 6 points, 49 percent to 43 percent.

Demographically, he’s where a winning Democratic nominee usually wants to be: His biggest advantages are with African-American voters (where he leads Trump, 85 percent to 7 percent), Latinos (60 percent to 26 percent), voters ages 18-34 (54 percent to 31 percent), women (56 percent to 35 percent) and whites with a college degree (55 percent to 37 percent).

That's actually not great.  Latinos generally are carried in the high 60's. Obviously, 14% are undecided, so maybe he gets there.  Biden is destroying Trump with AA's.  The only question with the demographic is turnout.  No one should fret now about Biden carrying them.  Young voters isn't great for Joe either.  He needs that over 60%.

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But here’s the bad news for the former vice president: while he leads Trump by 20-plus points among voters 18-34, they have a net-negative personal opinion of him (a fav/unfav of 25 percent/44 percent), which is a definite warning sign for Biden.

When asked if they trust his statements about the coronavirus, a plurality of voters — 42 percent — said they weren’t aware of his statements or didn’t have an opinion, while 26 percent said they trusted him and 29 percent didn’t. (By comparison, Trump is at 36 percent trust, 52 percent don’t trust, and 10 percent not aware/no opinion.)

And finally, Biden trails Trump by 11 points on which candidate better handles the economy, 47 percent to 36 percent.

It's amazing how many people don't understand the economy. 

Some Trump weakness.  If the country opens up in the next couple of weeks and the impacts are muted, he'll score a major victory.  If we see a resurgence, he'll likely be done.

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And to show you how unprecedented it is for an incumbent president not to have the advantage on crisis handling, here’s this same poll question from past election cycles:

• 2012: 46 percent Obama better handling a crisis, 34 percent Romney better (Aug 2012 NBC/WSJ poll).
• 2004: 47 percent Bush better, 35 percent Kerry better (May 2004 Pew poll).
• 1996: 47 percent Clinton better, 38 percent Dole better (March 1996 Pew poll).

But here are the numbers in our new NBC News/WSJ poll on who would better handle a crisis: Biden 47 percent, Trump 38 percent.

 

[Ghost of LL 15492]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

if joe is not up to running again in 2024, and i think it's at least a 50-50 shot that he's not, then there needs to be a succession plan in place with his vp pick, even if it means that person becomes president in 2022 and is the presumptive nominee in 2024.  for that reason, i agree, i would like someone with some governing experience as vp.

I would definitely not be shocked to see Biden resign due to "health concerns" in early February 2023 so that his vice president can run as an incumbent.

[henrygandorf 29177]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

That's actually not great.  Latinos generally are carried in the high 60's. Obviously, 14% are undecided, so maybe he gets there.  Biden is destroying Trump with AA's.  The only question with the demographic is turnout.  No one should fret now about Biden carrying them.  Young voters isn't great for Joe either.  He needs that over 60%.

those are some concerns i guess, but one thing stood out to me, and the main reason biden will win going away - women.

this is only one poll, but most of these numbers have been fairly steady, and similar to hillary's numbers.  african american +80, latino +35.  but hillary was +12 with women, and most of the polls i've seen have biden almost twice that (here he's +21).  pretty huge demo to stretch out the lead.  if the women vote translates into suburban moms in those 5-6 states, then it's all over but the crying.

[HRSchenker 2259]

Trump's ad machine isn't very good but damn this is indeed a brutal ad.

 

[henrygandorf 29177]

4 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Trump's ad machine isn't very good but damn this is indeed a brutal ad.

 

yep, this definitely derails pelosi’s presidential hopes. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

47 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

those are some concerns i guess, but one thing stood out to me, and the main reason biden will win going away - women.

this is only one poll, but most of these numbers have been fairly steady, and similar to hillary's numbers.  african american +80, latino +35.  but hillary was +12 with women, and most of the polls i've seen have biden almost twice that (here he's +21).  pretty huge demo to stretch out the lead.  if the women vote translates into suburban moms in those 5-6 states, then it's all over but the crying.

Women are proving they are much smarter than men. While they beat us in the crazy category, I’m beginning to believe that’s just because they have to put up with such a plethora of dumbass men. That will drive you crazy. 

[SubliminalHorn 6674]

17 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Trump's ad machine isn't very good but damn this is indeed a brutal ad.

 

Well I won’t be voting for Nancy now!

[Bama Chick 28596]

This seems like a lot of money for one month.

[Biff Tannen 45495]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This seems like a lot of money for one month.

 

If Bloomberg’s word is worth a shit, it shouldn’t actually matter what Joe raises. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Narrator : Bloomberg’s word is worth jackshit.

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

Georgia is a fast growing state that is 55% non-Latino White. That puts the state at about 27% white male, which is the republican wheel house. Obviously who shows up on Election Day tends to be a much older and whiter crowd, but it’s amazing to me that Republicans still hold onto Georgia. 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

This seems like a lot of money for one month.

 

And he's still wwwaaayyyyy behind.  Be nice if Bloomberg really was for real.

 

[gmr548 16513]

 

To be fair, four of those are forgone conclusions at the statewide level. Get NV, CO, MN, and ME out of there and see how it looks.

 

 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[Mo Horn 8807]

Nathan Fillion gif appropriate. 

[Gap03 3286]

12 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Nathan Fillion gif appropriate. 

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

Nathan Fillion gif appropriate. 

 

we are honestly so far past satire that i can't even begin to tell the difference.  

[bad_teammate 13132]

White liberals loooooooooooove them some pointless representational identifiers.

[TornACL 7676]

Bill Mitchell is one of the elite few who can elevate his stupidity to truly breathtaking levels. 

[F250 28689]

1 hour ago, TornACL said:

Bill Mitchell is one of the elite few who can elevate his stupidity to truly breathtaking levels. 

This is true. Some of the things he says are so stupid they are zen like in that they push you into a Buddhist state of ineffable contemplation.

 

[F250 28689]

 

[TornACL 7676]

How does Ted Cruz stand and walk without a spine? Do they insert a metal rod in his back? I guess I can figure out where they insert it. 

[David Dennison 18658]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

White liberals loooooooooooove them some pointless representational identifiers.

Like class?

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

How does Ted Cruz stand and walk without a spine? Do they insert a metal rod in his back? I guess I can figure out where they insert it. 

Close, they insert it up his ass.

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[Hank Kingsley 20704]

This is absolutely inexcusable by the fucking Biden campaign. And they haven't hired a single digital staffer since the corona shutdown last month. 

 

Keep an eye on the overall larger issue that Biden's campaign staff is REALLY weak. They did absolutely jack shit to secure him the nomination. He didn't spend a penny in post-Super Tuesday states that he dominated. 

Biden's digital director is a Beto 2019 alum. The guy sucks. Biden's campaign manager is a Beto 2019 alum. What are they doing? What are they waiting for? It seems like they're so proud to be on the winning campaign that they forgot to actually put in the work. 

[henrygandorf 29177]

20 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It seems like they're so proud to be on the winning campaign that they forgot to actually put in the work. 

or, they think they're doing everything right and they're responsible for the win.  which is way worse.

[Hank Kingsley 20704]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

or, they think they're doing everything right and they're responsible for the win.  which is way worse.

That's probably a better answer. And yes, way worse. 

Trump's campaign is preparing for war. Biden's team is busy patting themselves on the back. 

Wake. the. fuck. up. 

 

[henrygandorf 29177]

there have been a ton of great anti-trump ads up, but most are from lincoln project and other non-biden entities.  at this point, they're better off just co-opting other people's work.

[Hank Kingsley 20704]

It's not rocket science. Make calls to Bernie, Pete, Liz, Kamala, Yang, Klobuchar, etc.  Ask for staffer recommendations. The best and brightest who understand 21st century politics. Offer them jobs. And get to fucking work. 

 

[Pancho 44479]

On 4/20/2020 at 4:32 PM, Prepuce of Doom said:

So in light of the fact that Georgia is now going to be the canary in the coal mine, if shit goes as predictably sideways as it well may, does being able to dunk on Kemp's handling of this situation increase the likelihood that Stacey Abrams will be Biden's choice for VP? 

 

Isn’t Georgia already light, light red?  Would doing this kill off enough Rs that Georgia could go blue, especially considering what Abrams has been doing with her Fair Fight voting group.

[Biff Tannen 45495]

4 hours ago, F250 said:

This is true. Some of the things he says are so stupid they are zen like in that they push you into a Buddhist state of ineffable contemplation.

 

This is how I’m trying to approach the next 6 months with the entire admin. 

[gmr548 16513]

10 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

Nathan Fillion gif appropriate. 

Hahahahaha holy fuck I can't wait for that to become a MAGA talking point.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Wait till Bill finds out American families average 1.9 children!

He’s gonna freak out!

[Gengs1 2583]

How are they this stupid.

they should know the impacts of Facebook and YouTube on voters from last election.

get the Lincoln project guys or anyone to help out.

man he really gonna lose this election again

ppl are home, they should be making 5 adds a day with all the time they have

Edited April 22, 2020 by Gengs1

[David Dennison 18658]

4 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

How are they this stupid.

they should know the impacts of Facebook and YouTube on voters from last election.

get the Lincoln project guys or anyone to help out.

man he really gonna lose this election again

ppl are home, they should be making 5 adds a day with all the time they have

Donald Trump didn't win because of Facebook.

[Gengs1 2583]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump didn't win because of Facebook.

Agreed, it played a part. The negative adds and fake posts on Facebook helped him a lot. Biden needs to be infront of this shit and Make adds on FB to spread out. The adds that Trump will have will be Pushed Every way.

dont think Biden campaign understands digital images to use for their campaign   

[Voldemort86 2259]

On 4/20/2020 at 8:06 AM, Chuckie Finster said:

On Day 1 of the Trump Presidency, his approval rating average was 46% approve/37% disapprove.  Then, about three weeks in, his disapproval rating hit 52% and has basically hovered between that and 55% for three-plus years.

I know it's conventional wisdom that people have always known what Trump is, but the data shows that there was a decent percentage of undecided/"give him a chance" people at first.  They have subsequently, and almost unanimously, disapproved.

And here is where it manifests:

 

This is a long term problem for the GOP.

 

does anyone see the suburbs going red again?  Nikki Haley won’t deliver them on a silver platter like some goofy trumpkins think.

[thrillhammer 683]

On 4/21/2020 at 12:11 AM, Patrick Bateman said:

And he's still wwwaaayyyyy behind.  Be nice if Bloomberg really was for real.

 

biden needs to wear those sunglasses every day until the election.  it might be his best chance of winning.

[Zonahorn 8079]

I look forward to the conservative meltdown when they find out how long it takes Arizona to count votes.

[Voldemort86 2259]

13 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

I look forward to the conservative meltdown when they find out how long it takes Arizona to count votes.

Funny thing is, it’s ALWAYS taken Arizona a long time to count ballots. We are just now hearing about how flawed their supposed process is?  I wonder why.

 

The president deserves to go to hell. fuck him.

[gmr548 16513]

does anyone see the suburbs going red again?

Yes. When Trump is gone, Democrats are in control, and the GOP gets them a nice Mitt Romney type, white moderates will be flocking back to the GOP. It's already telegraphed with all the "don't lose my vote" stuff.

They're part of the coalition this cycle, and that's good because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I very much doubt for the long term.

[bad_teammate 13132]

I doubt even for the short term. White suburbanites are Republicans by nature and class.

The shift, I think, will be old people.

Edited April 22, 2020 by bad_teammate

[wildcat09 29256]

15 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This is absolutely inexcusable by the fucking Biden campaign. And they haven't hired a single digital staffer since the corona shutdown last month. 

 

Keep an eye on the overall larger issue that Biden's campaign staff is REALLY weak. They did absolutely jack shit to secure him the nomination. He didn't spend a penny in post-Super Tuesday states that he dominated. 

Biden's digital director is a Beto 2019 alum. The guy sucks. Biden's campaign manager is a Beto 2019 alum. What are they doing? What are they waiting for? It seems like they're so proud to be on the winning campaign that they forgot to actually put in the work. 

Absolute fucking malpractice.

[Ghost of LL 15492]

17 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

Yes. When Trump is gone, Democrats are in control, and the GOP gets them a nice Mitt Romney type, white moderates will be flocking back to the GOP. It's already telegraphed with all the "don't lose my vote" stuff.

They're part of the coalition this cycle, and that's good because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I very much doubt for the long term.

 

I think there are a lot who will.  But I think there are also a lot who will remember what the Trumpublican Party really is.

But honestly--Nikki Haley is not the nominee in 2024.  Donald Trump is.  There is simply no way Trump won't run for a non-consecutive second term.  And there is no way the Trumpublican Party would deny him the nomination.

He might pick Haley as his running mate--shit, I think he's going to do that this year--but she would never defeat him in a primary contest.

 

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

31 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Funny thing is, it’s ALWAYS taken Arizona a long time to count ballots. We are just now hearing about how flawed their supposed process is?  I wonder why.

 

The president deserves to go to hell. fuck him.

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[Bozo_Casanova 26283]

20 hours ago, TornACL said:

Bill Mitchell is one of the elite few who can elevate his stupidity to truly breathtaking levels. 

Bill Mitchell is like the Kawhi Leonard of stupidity