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I am so thrilled tonight! I spoke with my mom and asked her how my dad was taking the election. She said after every network declared Biden the winner, he turned off Fox News and said “Well, glad t

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This was my experience in Galveston County, except for one thing. I came in and presented my ID to the geriatric at the front who printed out my pin number. I took my pin number to a table where two B

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7 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

I feel like the two guys who called Arizona probably now know they did it a little bit prematurely but are taking a calculated risk of not walking it back, knowing that they'll more than likely squeak by. 

Fox News' political editor went out on the air and said he saw nothing wrong with how AZ and WI were called.

And Murdoch and those right below him have had almost 24 hours to pull down the call for AZ, and they aren't.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Fox News' political editor went out on the air and said he saw nothing wrong with how AZ and WI were called.

And Murdoch and those right below him have had almost 24 hours to pull down the call for AZ, and they aren't.

I'm not faulting them. They know what they're doing. I would do the exact same thing they're doing had I made a bold but correct early call, even if the optics are a little weird. If I trusted my numbers I'd stick with them.

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This will likely get lost with the quick updates, but this could be pretty consequential over the long run. 

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In Puerto Rico, a slim majority votes for statehood.

MIAMI — Puerto Ricans took to the polls — again — on Tuesday to answer a question that has deeply divided the island territory for generations: whether it should become the 51st state.

With 95 percent of precincts reporting in the nonbinding referendum, 52 percent of voters in Puerto Rico endorsed statehood, compared to nearly 48 percent who voted against it. The victory for the statehood movement marked a significant departure from the past, when the political parties that oppose statehood banded together for a nearly evenly split result.

 

Could McConnell's Senate block a territory from becoming a state? I honestly don't know the process.

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32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


She’ll do what that type always does. Marry an older, overweight, verbally abusive rich white guy, live a life of shallow consumption and coping via mild drug use, while they both have periodic lackluster affairs. Don’t cry for her. She’s fulfilling her destiny.

She will NOT be able to hide her lyin' eyes any better than she does today

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Inject this straight into my veins:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/trump-fox-news-arizona.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

 

 

 

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The Trump campaign knew Arizona could be up for grabs, but the Fox News call putting it in Mr. Biden’s column was symbolic, making it the first state that appeared to have flipped from the president’s 2016 batch of winning states. Gov. Doug Ducey, Republican of Arizona, had been on the phone all night with administration officials and campaign staff members, adamant that there were still Republican votes to be counted in his state.

Jason Miller, Mr. Trump’s political adviser, disputed the accuracy of the call on Twitter and frantically called Fox News, asking the network to retract it. He was unsuccessful. Instead of retracting it, the decision desk at Fox News doubled down on its call, putting Arnon Mishkin, the head of the desk, on air to defend the call. Several hours later, The Associated Press also called Arizona for Mr. Biden. (Other news organizations, including The New York Times and CNN, had not declared a victor by Wednesday afternoon because of absentee ballots that remained to be counted.)

Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, was also in touch with Rupert Murdoch, the Fox News owner, as the night wore on. And on Wednesday morning, Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, Bill Stepien, insisted the president would win Arizona by 30,000 votes.

Keeping Arizona in play was critical to the narrow path the campaign still saw to a victory on Wednesday, along with Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Mr. Trump spent much of Tuesday evening and early Wednesday watching election results roll in on Fox News from the White House residence, where he connected with several Republican governors on the phone. In conversations with Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas and Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, he asked about the possibility that fraud was being committed, according to people briefed on the call.

On Twitter, Mr. Ducey insisted that all the counting be completed before anyone else called the state.

Angry and feeling stung, the president and his aides watched as Mr. Biden gave a brief speech in Wilmington, Del., projecting victory for himself. “We feel good about where we are, we really do,” Mr. Biden told supporters, who honked their horns in support. “We believe we are on track to win this election.”

While Mr. Biden was speaking, the president tweeted for the first time all night, baselessly claiming that Democrats were trying to “steal” the election. In a follow-up tweet, he said that he, too, would deliver remarks. A podium with a presidential seal had already been set up in the East Room.

Mr. Trump’s advisers tried to persuade Mr. Trump to speak in the East Room before Mr. Biden made his remarks in Wilmington, but they were unsuccessful. Instead, they sat and watched as Mr. Biden set the tone for the night.

So it was hours before Mr. Trump actually appeared in the East Room. In the Oval Office, he huddled with aides who discussed how to frame the state of the race and whether he could declare victory or should take a more subtle tone.

He did not choose the latter approach.

“This is a fraud on the American public,” he told a crowd of supporters at 2:30 a.m., in remarks that were immediately criticized even by some of his allies, like Chris Christie, the former New Jersey governor. The president continued: “This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win the election.”

As the map closed in on the Trump campaign on Wednesday, with Michigan and Wisconsin being called for Mr. Biden, the president was not seen in public all day. A Marine who stands guard in front of the West Wing doors when the president is in the Oval Office had not been spotted all day.

From the residence, Mr. Trump continued making calls to supporters and friends throughout the morning, sounding subdued and somewhat dispirited to some people. Outside the White House, finger-pointing about what went wrong had already begun. Some aides said that Mr. Trump had often resisted entreaties from Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and Brad Parscale, his former campaign manager, and others to spend more time in Arizona. But they said he had resisted in part because he did not like traveling west and spending the night on the road.

They and several other aides had also tried and failed to get Mr. Trump to stop attacking an Arizona favorite son and war hero, Senator John McCain, a Republican whom the president has continued to criticize even after the senator’s death two years ago.

There were also questions as to whether, had the campaign not spent so much money before the coronavirus pandemic began, it might have had extra resources to spend in states where Mr. Biden had won or was leading by slim margins, like Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada.

But others defended the early spending by Mr. Parscale, who among other things had focused on increasing the president’s turnout with Latino voters, who ended up being a key part of his support in Florida.

On Wednesday, the president’s family was heavily involved in efforts to question the validity of the vote tallies. Mr. Trump had joked at a rally that if he lost, he would never speak to any of his adult children again.

Mr. Kushner was making calls, looking for what he described as a “James Baker-like” figure who could lead the legal effort to dispute the tabulations in different states, according to a person briefed on the discussions. (Mr. Baker led George W. Bush’s successful recount case in 2000.) The president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was working out of the campaign headquarters in Virginia. Another son, Eric Trump, whose wife, Lara, has been heavily involved in campaign activities, spoke at a news conference in Philadelphia, alongside Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor.

“They’re not letting poll watchers watch the polls,” a visibly angry Eric Trump said, in a baseless attempt to cast doubt on the ballot counting still ongoing in Pennsylvania. Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, also made the groundless assertion that the election in Pennsylvania was being stolen. He also floated the idea of a “national lawsuit” about allegations of fraud, but it was not clear what that meant.

For all of the president’s superstitions, and his attempts to surround himself with the team that helped lead him to victory four years ago, he found himself in a far weaker position this time. In the final weeks before Election Day, Mr. Kushner reassembled a group of people who had been involved in Mr. Trump’s first campaign, including the former White House deputy chief of staff, Katie Walsh, to work with Mr. Miller and others on the final weeks of spending on television.

But by Wednesday, several White House officials and outside advisers said they were hopeful, but not particularly optimistic, that Mr. Trump’s legal challenges in several states would be able to change the trajectory of the race. The president himself tweeted a suggestion that “a large number of secretly dumped ballots” had cost him Michigan, a message Twitter quickly labeled misleading.

 

 

Giuliani cracks me up. A "national lawsuit"? The president suing the entire US? This guy's a lawyer? 

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Um.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/justice-department-armed-officers-election.html

 

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The Justice Department told federal prosecutors in an email early on Wednesday that the law allowed them to send armed federal officers to ballot-counting locations around the country to investigate potential voter fraud, according to three people who described the message.

The email created the specter of the federal government intimidating local election officials or otherwise intervening in vote tallying amid calls by President Trump to end the tabulating in states where he was trailing in the presidential race, former officials said.

 

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A law prohibits the stationing of armed federal officers at polls on Election Day. But a top official told prosecutors that the department interpreted the statute to mean that they could send armed federal officers to polling stations and locations where ballots were being counted anytime after that.

The statute “does not prevent armed federal law enforcement persons from responding to, investigate, or prevent federal crimes at closed polling places or at other locations where votes are being counted,” the official, Richard P. Donoghue, told prosecutors in an email that he sent around 1:30 a.m. on Wednesday.

A Justice Department spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment.

 

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Mr. Donoghue, the No. 2 official in the office of the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen, sent his email about half an hour before Mr. Trump made reckless claims including falsely declaring himself the winner of the election and began calling for election officials to stop counting ballots.

 

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22 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So if trump passes Biden in AZ based on “late counting” doesn’t that fuck his challenge of Biden passing him in PA and GA?

No. His cases are bullshit but they aren't contending that votes just shouldn't be counted anymore. They're more specific allegations of irregularities. 

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50 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

Fuck that shit, start shooting. Guns don’t kill people, people fucking up kill people...

 

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Being married such a long time, I’ve learned to not go nuclear right out the gate, but perhaps this could be an exception. Sadly though, I’m a little worried that if this scene is actual regular citizens this time and not campaign staffers like it was when they did it during Bush v Gore, it could get bad. Cultists have a different reality and a different idea of right and wrong. 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Explain I’m dumb terms

Donny is playing catch up and needs to win the remaining votes by a 59/41 proportion.  There is a lot of different data which defines how those votes will turn including county demographics, when and how the votes were waged, and the percentage left in each county.  Basically, Arizona is going to tighten, but it's going to be challenging for Don to comeback.  Not impossible, but challenging.

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