2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[The Dog 43784]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

From Voldemort's link. "There is no real path forward to reelection for Trump without winning Florida."

I hadn't really thought of the map that way, so I played around with the numbers some, giving Florida to Biden. If you then give Trump Ohio, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.... Biden still wins. 

Here's 270towin's scenarios for a Trump win. If he loses Florida, then he loses the election (as of right now): https://www.270towin.com/road-to-270-combinations/?mapstr=22201311106162122221135522202251351621012226431102216202&party=R

Keep in mind that doesn't mean whomever wins Florida wins the election - Biden can lose Florida and still has several combinations that lead to a win. 

[TwiceHorn 31240]

27 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

See I don't get this.  I'm in my prime earning years right now, and under the current tax plan, I've gone from being pretty close to not having to write a check on tax day to $6k last year and $9k this year.  I'm trying to figure out how this isn't murdering his support.

I know a bunch of mid-high earners (probably low 1-2%, say 200k plus, but under 500k), and a bunch of low earners (retirees) well enough to talk about their taxes.  I don't know anyone whose taxes have gone down.  Most of the mid-highs got murdered by the property tax deduction removal.

But, it's like everything else Trump does.  Little of it helps and much of it hurts his base.  They vote against their interest, but not in an altruistic way.

Edited July 6, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[NameAlreadyInUse 5105]

21 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Are you actually paying more taxes or are your numbers for the amount withheld from your paycheck wrong? I know a lot of people got a surprise when they filed taxes thinking they were paying more when in fact they just didn't adjust their withholding to account for the new law. Lots of people needed to submit a new W4. I know my taxes went down and I actually got money back where I haven't in the past, but I also switched jobs and had to do a new W4 and the allowances were different this time.

I mean I could change my allowance to 0 I guess, but that seems wrong since I'm married filing jointly.  My taxes have gone up pretty substantially. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

it’s more about these people believing the horror stories of what will happen to their income/taxes under that radical left socialist biden. 

[The Dog 43784]

Latest Lincoln Project submission:

https://www.newsweek.com/lincoln-project-targets-latinos-la-cucaracha-artists-anti-trump-ad-1515529

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is good.

[Ghost of LL 15469]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I know a bunch of mid-high earners (probably low 1-2%, say 200k plus, but under 500k), and a bunch of low earners (retirees) well enough to talk about their taxes.  I don't know anyone whose taxes have gone down.  Most of the mid-highs got murdered by the property tax deduction removal.

But, it's like everything else Trump does.  Little of it helps and much of it hurts his base.  They vote against their interest, but not in an altruistic way.

As I finish up my 2019 taxes, that's exactly how I am.  The cap on the state- and local-tax deduction has hammered me.

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

2 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

See I don't get this.  I'm in my prime earning years right now, and under the current tax plan, I've gone from being pretty close to not having to write a check on tax day to $6k last year and $9k this year.  I'm trying to figure out how this isn't murdering his support.

Few people actually understand the tax code nor how or why they may pay more or less taxes as prime earning years are rarely static (Tuition, moving homes, buying property, cashing out RSU's, escalating comp, etc, etc), so there's always an excuse built in.  What people do understand and what the GOP has exploited is nobody likes paying taxes.  Some may understand it's need or accepted the need of it, but nobody likes to, especially when you consider how wasteful the government machine is and then sprinkle a good ole bit of public corruption and sentiment is less taxes for small government is better.  Now, most of us understand this sentiment is naive and silly in association with these (and most of the GOP tax cuts in the last 2 decades +) specific tax cuts but people are typically simple, even the folks making 200k - 1m annually in gross income.  Paying taxes sucks is ingrained in the psyche of Americans so when they hear tax cuts and then they see their 401ks continue to grow, they are content.  It may be LCD thinking but it's worked for 40 years. 

Edited July 6, 2020 by Patrick Bateman

[6th Street 6354]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

As I finish up my 2019 taxes, that's exactly how I am.  The cap on the state- and local-tax deduction has hammered me.

Me as well - paid a cool $14k to the IRS yesterday.

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

As I finish up my 2019 taxes, that's exactly how I am.  The cap on the state- and local-tax deduction has hammered me.

Same.  $10K is nothing, especially in certain states. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5105]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

As I finish up my 2019 taxes, that's exactly how I am.  The cap on the state- and local-tax deduction has hammered me.

Yeah I'm figuring out that its the non federal tax deduction limitations that have so completely changed my tax outlook.  My accountant has already also provided me with my quarterly estimated tax payment requirements which I've never had to do before.  Looks like I'm going to have to pay $10k in September and $3k in January, so yeah whatever has changed, I'm getting fucked.

[The Dog 43784]

Bunch of rich motherfuckers on this thread. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

because of my $40,000 rolex?

[honolulu horn 6157]

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

But, it's like everything else Trump does.  Little of it helps and much of it hurts his base.  They vote against their interest, but not in an altruistic way.

Exactly. Trump's base of non-educated whites don't realize that he's truly screwing them over. They just hear "you can be racist" and vote for the guy. As a comedian said recently (Trevor Noah, maybe?) Trump despises the vast majority of the people that vote for him. He'd never be caught dead with any of them in person, allow them in his clubs, or allow them on his properties. 

[ROFL BOX 6647]

32 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

because of my $40,000 Rolex?

Maybe one day you will be able to afford a Ralex or Selko.

[Fudge Nuggets 19144]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

Latest Lincoln Project submission:

https://www.newsweek.com/lincoln-project-targets-latinos-la-cucaracha-artists-anti-trump-ad-1515529

Good job including the neck pussy.

[Fudge Nuggets 19144]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Me as well - paid a cool $14k to the IRS yesterday.

$13K from me straight to Mar-a-Lago.

[4th&Five 41457]

5 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

$13K from me straight to Mar-a-Lago.

Same...

 

[Gil Bang 25894]

1 hour ago, honolulu horn said:

Exactly. Trump's base of non-educated whites don't realize that he's truly screwing them over. They just hear "you can be racist" and vote for the guy. As a comedian said recently (Trevor Noah, maybe?) Trump despises the vast majority of the people that vote for him. He'd never be caught dead with any of them in person, allow them in his clubs, or allow them on his properties. 

that was Howard Stern

[MillerEP 30339]

First Kanye, now a new contender has entered the race:

j/k

[honolulu horn 6157]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

that was Howard Stern

Yes, that's the one. Thanks. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

2 hours ago, MillerEP said:

First Kanye, now a new contender has entered the race:

j/k

he's surgeried himself into the uncanny valley

 

edit: i spent the whole video not being able to tell if that was him, so i hit the googles.  i feel better now, at least.

Edited July 7, 2020 by BehoId, The Underminer!

[bluto 4880]

As a property tax ‘expert’ I’ve tried explaining that the trump tax plan is actually a total nut kick for upper middle class Texans and above.

[Aqua Buddha 14501]

24 minutes ago, bluto said:

As a property tax ‘expert’ I’ve tried explaining that the trump tax plan is actually a total nut kick for upper middle class Texans and above.

Well, no shit.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

he's surgeried himself into the uncanny valley

 

edit: i spent the whole video not being able to tell if that was him, so i hit the googles.  i feel better now, at least.

I was thinking it was a Cruise spoof on himself until I heard this guy talk.

& If you go to the website TomCruise2020.com, the FB connection is for the real guy.

[The Dog 43784]

1 hour ago, bluto said:

As a property tax ‘expert’ I’ve tried explaining that the trump tax plan is actually a total nut kick for upper middle class Texans and above.

If you are paying more than the max deduction for property taxes in Texas then it's highly unlikely that you are middle class.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-is-really-middle-class-in-america-this-chart-shows-just-how-much-family-size-matters-2018-12-28#:~:text=As a general rule%2C according,U.S. household size%2C 2.5 people.

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

6 hours ago, honolulu horn said:

Exactly. Trump's base of non-educated whites don't realize that he's truly screwing them over. They just hear "you can be racist" and vote for the guy. As a comedian said recently (Trevor Noah, maybe?) Trump despises the vast majority of the people that vote for him. He'd never be caught dead with any of them in person, allow them in his clubs, or allow them on his properties. 

Bullshit. I get emails like this daily from his top people:

President Trump LOVES America, and he isn’t ashamed of it. 

While the Radical Left TERRORIZES our communities, OUR President took bold and decisive action to PROTECT our great Nation’s monuments and statues by swiftly signing an Executive Order that is in FULL FORCE AND EFFECT.

Rest assured, Un-American THUGS who choose to illegally destroy our America’s history will be prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law. 

As a REAL Patriot and as one of our TOP supporters, we need YOU to step up and show the Left that you support your President 100%.

Do you stand with President Trump right now, Friend?

We're sending him a list of every Patriot who proudly signs their name to support the President's Executive Order, and we know he's expecting to see your name on there.

Yes, I actually got this today. You have to be really low iq or in a nursing home to believe this shit. He knows his base well though.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Yeah, I get those as well.  Mostly to see (from both sides) what buzzwords they are pushing to get a rise.  The DNC or some group similar has been throwing up the "USPS in peril!" stuff.

 

The "Trump list - get on it" last week was all about "we're giving President Trump a list of names just before he goes on stage at Mount Rushmore - will your name be on it?" hilarity.

 

 

[Herpa Derpa 6108]

On 7/5/2020 at 4:15 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

It's incredibly discouraging to see so many people (including political pundits!) taking Kanye seriously. 

I give it as much credence as this guy's Presidential run:

On 7/5/2020 at 9:29 PM, Sawbonz said:

Trump’s approval rating will be in the 30s by next month. At that point you will see Republican leaders trying to distance themselves from him just to save their own asses. There is a greater than zero chance (in the parlance of our resident ledge sitters) that he doesn’t even stand for reelection.  

Already seeing it as even Lady G has started to try and separate himself from the Trump wagon.  As for Trump leading some type of coup if he loses, some of you greatly underestimate the cowardice of the average Republican politician in Washington.  These geriatrics are not the least bit interested in taking to the streets.  A few deranged cultists will shoot up a couple of places believing they are starting the boogaloo.  Some will cosplay their way to the grave.  Some will sit in prison for a few decades.  None will accomplish anything of historical note.  There will be election shenanigans, but those most apt to do the dirty are already deep in Trump territory.  The GOP has managed to polarize themselves into a corner.  There is no growth opportunity for their current brand.

Just vote.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Herpa Derpa

[Bookman 4610]

November can't get here soon enough. I can't wait to vote. This former Republican is going to vote straight ticket Democrat.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Bookman

[Voldemort86 2259]

1 hour ago, Herpa Derpa said:

I give it as much credence as this guy's Presidential run:

Already seeing it as even Lady G has started to try and separate himself from the Trump wagon.  As for Trump leading some type of coup if he loses, some of you greatly underestimate the cowardice of the average Republican politician in Washington.  These geriatrics are not the least bit interested in taking to the streets.  A few deranged cultists will shoot up a couple of places believing they are starting the boogaloo.  Some will cosplay their way to the grave.  Some will sit in prison for a few decades.  None will accomplish anything of historical note.  There will be election shenanigans, but those most apt to do the dirty are already deep in Trump territory.  The GOP has managed to polarize themselves into a corner.  There is no growth opportunity for their current brand.

Just vote.

Would enjoy seeing some strict “law and order” on trumps base. I’m talking about the fucking morons who will riot with AK-47’s after their orange god loses.

[TexasEd 8064]

On 7/5/2020 at 8:29 PM, Sawbonz said:

Trump’s approval rating will be in the 30s by next month. At that point you will see Republican leaders trying to distance themselves from him just to save their own asses. There is a greater than zero chance (in the parlance of our resident ledge sitters) that he doesn’t even stand for reelection.  

Did my part today answering a DMN/UT Tyler poll.  Told them I was a Conservative voting for Biden with very strong disapproval of Trump.

They asked me if I thought the Pandemic would lead to civil unrest.  I said no, it didn't in Europe or Asia, the difference is Trump's lack of leadership and bad advice, that is what could lead to civil unrest.  

They also asked me about Dan Patrick's statement about finding God will lead to a cure or something like that.

Edited July 7, 2020 by TexasEd

[TexLonghorn 5587]

Sorry, ladies, but the Republicans are NOT going to allow Biden's chicanery of rewriting the Declaration of Independence...

Can you imagine the AUDACITY of the Biden campaign's ROGUE staffers?!  "All PEOPLE are created equal"?!   It clearly says "All MEN are created equal"!!11!!!!1

 

Edited July 7, 2020 by TexLonghorn

[Bookman 4610]

And she said he "literally" rewrote it. I find that to be impressive.

[LTbear 4157]

5 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

Sorry, ladies, but the Republicans are NOT going to allow Biden's chicanery of rewriting the Declaration of Independence...

Can you imagine the AUDACITY of the Biden campaign's ROGUE staffers?!  "All PEOPLE are created equal"?!   It clearly says "All MEN are created equal"!!11!!!!1

 

The lack of thought that must have been present to say this is truly astounding. 

[gmr548 16481]

And she said he "literally" rewrote it. I find that to be impressive.

Fun fact, the Declaration of Independence was actually written in pencil.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33831]

9 hours ago, Bookman said:

November can't get here soon enough. I can't wait to vote. This former Republican is going to vote straight ticket Democrat.

Pro tip: vote in every race. It's cathartic to vote against each and everyone one individually

[Hank Kingsley 20676]

Not major news but this is a good hire. 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5105]

7 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

Sorry, ladies, but the Republicans are NOT going to allow Biden's chicanery of rewriting the Declaration of Independence...

Can you imagine the AUDACITY of the Biden campaign's ROGUE staffers?!  "All PEOPLE are created equal"?!   It clearly says "All MEN are created equal"!!11!!!!1

 

Umm, quick question if I may Liz...How exactly does changing the word men to the word people = socialism?  I'll hang up and listen.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33831]

6 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Umm, quick question if I may Liz...How exactly does changing the word men to the word people = socialism?  I'll hang up and listen.

don't try to understand. just be glad you don't have enough space in your head to be able to pretzel twist your brain to that logic/conclusion

[Ghost of LL 15469]

9 hours ago, TexLonghorn said:

Sorry, ladies, but the Republicans are NOT going to allow Biden's chicanery of rewriting the Declaration of Independence...

Can you imagine the AUDACITY of the Biden campaign's ROGUE staffers?!  "All PEOPLE are created equal"?!   It clearly says "All MEN are created equal"!!11!!!!1

 

So in a race in which they're desperately trying to win back some of their losses among suburban women, this is the hill on which they have decided to die?

[henrygandorf 29174]

3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

So in a race in which they're desperately trying to win back some of their losses among suburban women, this is the hill on which they have decided to die?

yes, it's odd.

basically their one strategy, if you can call it that, is to suggest biden as someone who's been co-opted by the ultra-woke extreme radical left.  so any progressive thought, plan, or maneuver will be painted by that brush.  

[Ghost of LL 15469]

21 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

yes, it's odd.

basically their one strategy, if you can call it that, is to suggest biden as someone who's been co-opted by the ultra-woke extreme radical left.  so any progressive thought, plan, or maneuver will be painted by that brush.  

I get that.  But the irony is that in trying to portray Biden as far-left, they actually succeed only in showing themselves to be far-right.

[henrygandorf 29174]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I get that.  But the irony is that in trying to portray Biden as far-left, they actually succeed only in showing themselves to be far-right.

tonight they're gonna party like it's 1899.

[BradInATX 9208]

What a bizarre situation we're in where Biden clearly has Trump and his team shook and on the ropes and he needs to just go ahead and finish them off. And finishing them off looks like him continuing to do absolutely nothing.

It's got to be maddening for Team Trump to not have any easy low hanging fruit to attack Biden with and give him a cutesy label ala "Crooked Hillary", and watching Joe just sit back and do nothing and give them nothing to work with. I don't know if this was his master plan or if it's just that as an old white man that's "likeable" he's just as teflon as Trump, but he's got Trump in quicksand. It's awesome to watch them flail. Fuck them.

Edited July 7, 2020 by BradInATX

[henrygandorf 29174]

5 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

What a bizarre situation we're in where Biden clearly has Trump and his team shook and on the ropes and he needs to just go ahead and finish them off. And finishing them off looks like him continuing to do absolutely nothing.

It's got to be maddening for Team Trump to not have any easy low hanging fruit to attack Biden with and give him a cutesy label ala "Crooked Hillary", and watching Joe just sit back and do nothing and give them nothing to work with. I don't know if this was his master plan or if it's just that as an old white man that's "likeable" he's just as teflon as Trump, but he's got Trump in quicksand. It's awesome to watch them flail. Fuck them.

it's basically rope-a-dope, and there's no bigger dope on the planet, than donald j trump.

[ROFL BOX 6647]

Let's play some advance chess here - who are the REAL contenders for the Biden VP selection & what will Trump's kindergarten name or attempted slur be?

We already know Warren is "Pocohontas"...

 - Duckworth:  Tammy "No Record to Stand On"
 - Kamala Harris:
 - Val Demings: "Mickey Mouse Cop"
 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

 

[Gatorubet 30083]

Trump. Is. The. GOP.  Their bed has been shat in repeatedly and made. 
 

fify

[BradInATX 9208]

28 minutes ago, ROFL BOX said:

Let's play some advance chess here - who are the REAL contenders for the Biden VP selection & what will Trump's kindergarten name or attempted slur be?

We already know Warren is "Pocohontas"...

 - Duckworth:  Tammy "No Record to Stand On"
 - Kamala Harris:
 - Val Demings: "Mickey Mouse Cop"
 

It's going to be something cop related in order to try to peel some of the black vote back (won't work), and or "crazy" related because he considers women to be hormonal and stupid.