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Yeah, this is the same Brad that forgot to ask if supporters at the Tulsa event were 18 and over before he bombarded them with campaign texts/emails/solicitations.  

Fuck, I can't browse Twin Liquors site without verifying I'm 21.  And these people are asking for credit card numbers.  Better check if somebody is 18 before you ask them for money.  Kind of a creepy look, Brad.  

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Sorry to hear that man ;) I'm sure things'll get better in 2021.  

Meanwhile, back to the election.  Sorry to hear Kanye backed out already.

The Bee Cave, TX HEB's Goya aisle was heavily picked over yesterday when I glanced down it.  I don't know what that means because half their shelves are typically empty during Covid-19.

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So Trump's strategy is full blown, 100% the good old "flinging shit at the wall" at this point, isn't it? 

"Hey Bernie supporters, Biden and the DNC are against you!"

also:
"Biden and Bernie are working too closely together! Socialism!"

 

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11 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Trump doesn't like dogs. And I'm pretty sure that the feeling is mutual. 

Mitt strapping his dog to the roof didn't get him any votes. 

Be nice to critters, old people, and children. Even W was able to pull that off. 

The Bidens’ dog is bad ass.

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2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

The Biden basement strategy is great. Just sit back and watch Don repeatedly trip over his own dick. 

I really think it's the right move for quite a while longer.  At the very least until he picks a VP and maybe even for a while after that.

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11 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I really think it's the right move for quite a while longer.  At the very least until he picks a VP and maybe even for a while after that.

Shit, he may not have to do a whole lot the rest of the campaign. We're stuck in Covid purgatory right now and we won't be getting out until a real policy plan is implemented or an effective vaccine is available. Neither of those are happening in the next 4 months

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17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I really think it's the right move for quite a while longer.  At the very least until he picks a VP and maybe even for a while after that.

And it's frustrating the shit out of Don given a big part of his re-election strategy was to try to score points off potential Biden gaffes.

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I am thinking more and more about one of the great missed opportunities in history where VP Biden would have narrowly beat Hillary in the 2016 primary and then destroyed Trump in the general, sparing us all these past 4 years.

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14 minutes ago, FWD said:

I am thinking more and more about one of the great missed opportunities in history where VP Biden would have narrowly beat Hillary in the 2016 primary and then destroyed Trump in the general, sparing us all these past 4 years.

This thinking is vexing b/c I’d argue that a Trump presidency was around the corner regardless of what the democrats did.  

Imagine where we’d be right now if Hillary or even a Biden/Bernie won in 2016... the Republicans would be looking at super majorities and a one term Democratic Presidency most likely.

This has been the end game for the Republican Party for my lifetime.  Trump just got them there quicker. 

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thinking is vexing b/c I’d argue that a Trump presidency was around the corner regardless of what the democrats did.  

Imagine where we’d be right now if Hillary or even a Biden/Bernie won in 2016... the Republicans would be looking at super majorities and a one term Democratic Presidency most likely.

This has been the end game for the Republican Party for my lifetime.  Trump just got them there quicker. 

Yep.  It ripped the bandaid off and showed their outright corruption and evil.  Now, whether that translates into their end is yet to be seen, but I think I'd rather have it this way than have it drawn out slowly.

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23 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thinking is vexing b/c I’d argue that a Trump presidency was around the corner regardless of what the democrats did.  

Imagine where we’d be right now if Hillary or even a Biden/Bernie won in 2016... the Republicans would be looking at super majorities and a one term Democratic Presidency most likely.

This has been the end game for the Republican Party for my lifetime.  Trump just got them there quicker. 

Not only that, but voter complacency on the Democrat side reached all time highs in 2016. Needed something to re-energize the base and drive moderates back to the polls. Don was the key catalyst there. 
 

Hopefully with Trump showing the downside case of not coming out to vote can teach the lesson of getting out and voting.  

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This thinking is vexing b/c I’d argue that a Trump presidency was around the corner regardless of what the democrats did.  
Imagine where we’d be right now if Hillary or even a Biden/Bernie won in 2016... the Republicans would be looking at super majorities and a one term Democratic Presidency most likely.
This has been the end game for the Republican Party for my lifetime.  Trump just got them there quicker. 
Agreed on Congress but I'm just not sure Ted Cruz beats Biden in a general election this year, assuming Biden doesn't totally fuck up the pandemic response.
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2 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Has me musing if he is pushing his staff for another Rose Rally today. You know he wants to, but you also know they don't want him to in case he rambles off into the weeds again.

he mentioned yesterday that he would be doing "more of these".

fine by me.

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they are extremely insulted and angry with it!  and yet, 100% of them will still vote for him.  

Nah, a lot of them just won't bother showing up.  This type of shit works really well with their rock solid 30%...unfortunately it's a total disaster with the other 20% they need. 

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15 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Every question asked of him going forward needs to be something like "what on earth makes you think it's acceptable to give campaign rally speeches on the White House lawn?". 

Yeah, I can live with his other crazy antics but that really pisses me off

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3 hours ago, Storm the Field said:

Wowza.

 

Yes. This is not surprising. PA is a democratic state. Dems have to almost try to lose it. Hillary tried very hard to alienate everyone in the state and she only managed to lose it by a little bit. Biden is from PA. Why anyone ever doubted he was the right guy for the Dems to run, against an imploding Trump, I don’t know. I’m just mad at myself for not Getting a bet don against Trump when he was the favorite 2 or 3 months ago and I laughed at the morons who were putting money on trump. 

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2 hours ago, FWD said:

I am thinking more and more about one of the great missed opportunities in history where VP Biden would have narrowly beat Hillary in the 2016 primary and then destroyed Trump in the general, sparing us all these past 4 years.

I wanted to think this, but....

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thinking is vexing b/c I’d argue that a Trump presidency was around the corner regardless of what the democrats did.  

Imagine where we’d be right now if Hillary or even a Biden/Bernie won in 2016... the Republicans would be looking at super majorities and a one term Democratic Presidency most likely.

This has been the end game for the Republican Party for my lifetime.  Trump just got them there quicker. 

This.

Trump and Trumpism was an inevitability.  It was always a matter of when, not if.  That it happened to overlap with the greatest crisis to face the globe since WWII?  Well, that's just fucking lagniappe.

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11 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The corona is being very mean to him. It was his one chance to win.  I think he was still going to lose in a time of prosperity but without that he was fucked. 

Disagree.  Without coronavirus Trump almost certainly wins (although the election would have been close).  No virus, no tanked economy.  No tanked economy, probably no protests.  Also, the virus removed a lot of people’s ability to distract themselves from his incompetence.  The virus beat Trump by fully exposing him.  


That said, it’s still July, and there are plenty of things that could happen over the next 100 days to give Trump a shot.  Biden dying, a proven/effective/available vaccine, etc could totally change that fragile 15% of voters from blue to red.

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6 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Disagree.  Without coronavirus Trump almost certainly wins (although the election would have been close).  No virus, no tanked economy.  No tanked economy, probably no protests.  Also, the virus removed a lot of people’s ability to distract themselves from his incompetence.  The virus beat Trump by fully exposing him.  


That said, it’s still July, and there are plenty of things that could happen over the next 100 days to give Trump a shot.  Biden dying, a proven/effective/available vaccine, etc could totally change that fragile 15% of voters from blue to red.

Man I don’t think he was ever going to beat Biden in PA MI or Wi. Maybe Wi. But OA and MI are blue states that Hillary tried very hard to lose and still almost won by accident. I think he’s have lost a close one with a good economy. Maybe he’d have barely won. But there’s nothing fragile about the Ass kicking he’s going to receive 

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1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

there's zero chance a vaccine is available to us by the election.

Even if it is that does nothing to help him. We could be vaccinated tomorrow and it wouldn’t be enough time for the economy and normalcy to bounce back, nor for people to forget they really don’t like him and have no real problems with Biden. 

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1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Man I don’t think he was ever going to beat Biden in PA MI or Wi. Maybe Wi. But OA and MI are blue states that Hillary tried very hard to lose and still almost won by accident. I think he’s have lost a close one with a good economy. Maybe he’d have barely won. But there’s nothing fragile about the Ass kicking he’s going to receive 

It would have been close in all of those states without coronavirus.  The pandemic turned Pennsylvania and Michigan from total swing states to lean blue.  And it turned WI from slight lean red to lean blue.  
 

I think people underestimate the impact the virus has had.  As big of a piece of shit as Trump obviously is, it is very easy for people to convince themselves to vote for an incumbent presiding over a good economy.

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3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

It would have been close in all of those states without coronavirus.  The pandemic turned Pennsylvania and Michigan from total swing states to lean blue.  And it turned WI from slight lean red to lean blue.  
 

I think people underestimate the impact the virus has had.  As big of a piece of shit as Trump obviously is, it is very easy for people to convince themselves to vote for an incumbent presiding over a good economy.

Yeah, that was his shot at it. But I think those guys went from lean blue to sage blue, not pink to light blue. 13 points is dark fucking blue man. 

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Vaccine will be late stage and almost ready for deployment by Election Day.  His last grasp will be to say that voting for Biden will disrupt the progress they've made on the vaccine.  That Biden would come in and need months to learn all the minutiae of the vaccination/mitigation platforms.  And some people will buy that.  They'll think that voting out Trump means he'll have to hang up his lab coat and terminate his critical scientific research.  

The real dagger for him, provided he survives his September health scare, is that it will be shown that we really didn't say a word to Russia when it became apparent they were paying bounty hunters to murder our troops.  Sadly, the frustration won't be borne from a sense of the CIC abandoning his grunts, but rather that his weakness on the world stage will finally be exposed.  Many of his supporters can live with coffins draped in American flags.  They can't stand by him in his obvious cowardice.  People love racist, hyporcitical assholes, but people don't like backing a coward.  It's the worst thing a person can be in the eyes of many of his supporters (and mine).  

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The Texas Secretary of State is reporting that 955,735 Texans voted in the Democratic Senate runoff—far surpassing the old runoff record of 746,641 votes set back in 1994.

Polling shows President Donald Trump running neck and neck with Biden in Texas; the RealClearPolitics polling average has Trump with only a 0.2-percentage-point lead.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/07/15/trending-blue-texas-shatters-record-for-turnout-in-democratic-runoff/

 

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3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Even if it is that does nothing to help him. We could be vaccinated tomorrow and it wouldn’t be enough time for the economy and normalcy to bounce back, nor for people to forget they really don’t like him and have no real problems with Biden. 

A LOT of voters judge the “economy” by the stock market, and by that measure the “economy” is nearly as good as it was in December.  If the Moderna or Oxford vaccine is announced in Sept that Phase III trials have been going so well they are starting to distribute in some reduced capacity, and another massive stimulus is passed, the Dow/Nasdaq will be at all time highs heading into the election.  Combine that with a few months of no more protests and mask orders being followed that allow things to have opened up most of the way...and there’s still a path for him.  Especially when adding the possibility of foreign interference.

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1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

The Texas Secretary of State is reporting that 955,735 Texans voted in the Democratic Senate runoff—far surpassing the old runoff record of 746,641 votes set back in 1994.

Polling shows President Donald Trump running neck and neck with Biden in Texas; the RealClearPolitics polling average has Trump with only a 0.2-percentage-point lead.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/07/15/trending-blue-texas-shatters-record-for-turnout-in-democratic-runoff/

 

Those strongly unfavorable are hilarious. 

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1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

A LOT of voters judge the “economy” by the stock market, and by that measure the “economy” is nearly as good as it was in December.  If the Moderna or Oxford vaccine is announced in Sept that Phase III trials have been going so well they are starting to distribute in some reduced capacity, and another massive stimulus is passed, the Dow/Nasdaq will be at all time highs heading into the election.  Combine that with a few months of no more protests and mask orders being followed that allow things to have opened up most of the way...and there’s still a path for him.  Especially when adding the possibility of foreign interference.

Look at cactus poll man. People hate him. They don’t hate Biden. He has no path. 

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