2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[Pato del Muerto 53,546]

12 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Why do any of them care about him now?  There's a reason Hulk Hogan hated putting other wrestlers over. 

Exactly.  They have no incentive to rule in his favor, for personal reasons. Don’t know what their ideology would say about a president pardoning themself, or if there is any ideology behind that question at all other than the party attached to that president. But it could just as easily be a different party doing it next time. 

[Shaddie 1,684]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I have gotten my dad to start watching the National Geographic stuff on Disney+, and he's watching more than I expected.  He'll bitch when there are shows about climate change or whatever, but he loves watching a bunch of their stuff.

Have him google Trumps resort and the lawsuit they have filed to build a sea wall cause the resort is close to the water. 
 

They specifically say it is Because of “global warming” which we know trump “publicly” doesn’t believe in.  

[Born to Run 6,601]

I have gotten my dad to start watching the National Geographic stuff on Disney+, and he's watching more than I expected.  He'll bitch when there are shows about climate change or whatever, but he loves watching a bunch of their stuff.

That's nice

It would be nice if people realize those shows are advocating to save the fucking content the display. You know the earth and nature shit.

[lemonlime 5,503]

11 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Exactly.  They have no incentive to rule in his favor, for personal reasons. Don’t know what their ideology would say about a president pardoning themself, or if there is any ideology behind that question at all other than the party attached to that president. But it could just as easily be a different party doing it next time. 

If they're concerned about that,just say that you can't pardon yourself.  But since there was no clear law on the subject until trump did it, we'll only apply the rule prospectively.

Just look at Alito's speech before the Federalist Society last week.  Or anything Thomas has done.  They're partisan hacks.

[Hookah Horns 3,089]

13 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

If they're concerned about that,just say that you can't pardon yourself.  But since there was no clear law on the subject until trump did it, we'll only apply the rule prospectively.

Just look at Alito's speech before the Federalist Society last week.  Or anything Thomas has done.  They're partisan hacks.

That dog wouldn't hunt. It's either constitutional or it's not. 

[wildcat09 29,595]

They'll find that the Constitution, in its infinite majesty, allows Republican presidents to pardon themselves but not Democratic presidents.

[The Dog 44,862]

Wouldn't pardoning himself require Trump to actually admit that he did something wrong? Seems out of character if so. 

IMHO he is more likely to fight - hence the bankrolling for lawyers theory. 

[Js1 87,211]

47 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Why do any of them care about him now?  There's a reason Hulk Hogan hated putting other wrestlers over. 

Exactly.  They have lifetime appointments.  They can't be primaried by the Trump base. 

Why do they give a fuck about Donald Trump once its 12:01pm January 20, 2021. 

[wildcat09 29,595]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Exactly.  They have lifetime appointments.  They can't be primaried by the Trump base. 

Why do they give a fuck about Donald Trump once its 12:01pm January 20, 2021. 

They want Republicans to win elections and don't want Trump turning his base against the party.

[jimmyjazz 47,237]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Exactly.  They have lifetime appointments.  They can't be primaried by the Trump base. 

Why do they give a fuck about Donald Trump once its 12:01pm January 20, 2021. 

There have been so many squirelly details surrounding the appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett that I wouldn't bet a day's pay all were clean.  Hell, Anthony Kennedy's son was a Deutsche Bank executive, and Trump has allegedly laundered millions if not billions through DB.  Kennedy's abrupt resignation seemed fishy then and fishy now.  This modern court feels bought and paid for.

[Francisco 2.0 32,605]

9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Wouldn't pardoning himself require Trump to actually admit that he did something wrong? Seems out of character if so. 

IMHO he is more likely to fight - hence the bankrolling for lawyers theory. 

No, he would be pardoning himself to protect himself (and others) from those lawless Democratic fucks.  It's a subtle difference, but one the MAGA folks would seize upon to justify him doing it

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, shakahorn said:

 

Hey I got paid on AZ! Sure seems like MI is an easier call than AZ but it's not like you can argue with betonline.

Nice! I’m still waiting on my two: 1) Biden to win presidency  2) Biden to win presidency and popular vote 

[Biff Tannen 46,175]

9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

No, he would be pardoning himself to protect himself (and others) from those lawless Democratic fucks.  It's a subtle difference, but one the MAGA folks would seize upon to justify him doing it

 

 

 

Sadly, this is correct.

[Js1 87,211]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

There have been so many squirelly details surrounding the appointments of Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett that I wouldn't bet a day's pay all were clean.  Hell, Anthony Kennedy's son was a Deutsche Bank executive, and Trump has allegedly laundered millions if not billions through DB.  Kennedy's abrupt resignation seemed fishy then and fishy now.  This modern court feels bought and paid for.

Still would never be enough votes in the Senate to remove any of of them.  Only 1 SCOTUS judge in our entire history has been impeached and he was acquitted by the Senate.

Senate Republicans will never turn on those 3.  They got what they wanted. 

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16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Wouldn't pardoning himself require Trump to actually admit that he did something wrong?

Kind of - the acceptance of a pardon is deemed to be an admission of guilt: a pardon carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it. Burdick v. US, 236 U.S. 79 (1915)

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[Js1 87,211]

Just now, lemonlime said:

 

Maybe he was just asking questions? 

[SameSame 1,752]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe he was just asking questions? 

[Neonmoon 38,130]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe he was just asking questions? 

[Huckleberry 34,697]

13 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

 

Hey @landman we've found another example of someone in one State trying to influence decisions of another State. Weird, it's a Republican again.

[UncleSonny 6,798]

14 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

 

That's a Republican Sec of State accusing a sitting US Senior in his own party of pressuring him into throwing out legal votes. Aside from it being a crime, he is describing a cut and dry attack on democracy. And absolutely nothing will come of it. There will be no investigation, Lindsey won't lose his seat, he won't be removed from any of his cushy committee positions. The story will be forgotten by inauguration. 

Brisket is 100% correct. We are the frog and the water has been brought to a boil and now it's too late. 

Edited November 16, 2020 by UncleSonny

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21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Maybe he was just asking questions? 

Pretty much

 

[Js1 87,211]

8 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

That's a Republican Sec of State accusing a sitting US Senior in his own party of pressuring him into throwing out legal votes. Aside from it being a crime, he is describing a cut and dry attack on democracy. And absolutely nothing will come of it. There will be no investigation, Lindsey won't lose his seat, he won't be removed from any of his cushy committee positions. The story will be forgotten by inauguration. 

Brisket is 100% correct. We are the frog and the water has been brought to a boil and now it's too late. 

Georgia needs to tell Graham to fuck off by voting in Ossoff and Warnock. Then Graham loses his chairmanship 

[Francisco 2.0 32,605]

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-madison-wisconsin-a507baa9d15dce2a8a8d42c0837bd089

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President Donald Trump will have to pay $7.9 million if he wants a statewide recount of unofficial results in Wisconsin showing him losing to Democrat Joe Biden by about 20,500 votes.

That is four times higher than what the recount cost four years ago, a cost increase that elections officials said was driven by expenses related to conducting a recount during the coronavirus pandemic.

 

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Counties had until Tuesday to certify the election results. Assuming the last county canvass isn’t filed until Tuesday as expected, Trump would then have until 5 p.m. on Wednesday to request the recount. The recount could begin as soon as Thursday and be done no later than Dec. 1.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission on Monday released the recount timeline and cost estimate, which was based on costs submitted by the 72 counties.

 

 

[UncleSonny 6,798]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Georgia needs to tell Graham to fuck off by voting in Ossoff and Warnock. Then Graham loses his chairmanship 

They should and that would be great. I've already donated to help them pull it off. 

What makes me depressed is not a single Republican in Georgia will see this story and feel that way. This shit is so warped that if they even happen catch this story inside their bubble their main takeaway will be that Lindsey was justified and they'll be upset that Raffensperger didn't acquiesce. Winning both of those run-offs will be entirely about turning out a ton of Dems again. Maybe they will but it's still a coinflip at best.

[Bevo14 8,468]

55 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

 

so they don't want to count every legal ballot?  

[Michael Knight 13,238]

Count every Trump vote

[4th&Five 42,010]

Lulz

 

[Pato del Muerto 53,546]

6 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Count every Trump vote

They’re ok with throwing out legal Trump votes as long as they can be reasonably certain that doing so tosses at least 2 Biden votes. 

[closetohumping 17,821]

Trumps hag lawyer is pretty confident.

[SameSame 1,752]

3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Lulz

 

Good luck with that

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Just now, closetohumping said:

Trumps hag lawyer is pretty confident.

She’s a Q level lunatic. She’s confident she will be soon living on the hidden moon behind mars.

[conVINCEd 21,477]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Trumps hag lawyer is pretty confident.

You know a lot of lawyers that don’t seem confident when they are arguing on behalf of their client?

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The fact that someone has to say this...

[Horndog 2,300]

Saw this on Texags, and it fully encapsulates the disconnect that the Trumpsters have with reality:

"This whole mess is especially bothersome in a state like Georgia with a Republican governor, Republican secretary of state, and Republican legislature. Couldn't they have anticipated some of these election shenanigans and taken steps to head them off?"

Occam's razor in reverse. Biden wins in a state completely under the control of the GOP.  Rather than concede the obvious - that Biden got more votes - the conclusion is that the Dems cheated and all the Republican officials just let it happen. 

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7 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Trumps hag lawyer is pretty confident.

 

[Pato del Muerto 53,546]

1 minute ago, Horndog said:

Saw this on Texags, and it fully encapsulates the disconnect that the Trumpsters have with reality:

"This whole mess is especially bothersome in a state like Georgia with a Republican governor, Republican secretary of state, and Republican legislature. Couldn't they have anticipated some of these election shenanigans and taken steps to head them off?"

Occam's razor in reverse. Biden wins in a state completely under the control of the GOP.  Rather than concede the obvious - that Biden got more votes - the conclusion is that the Dems cheated and all the Republican officials just let it happen. 

As opposed to Pennsylvania where the democrats cheated, and the democratic officials actively participated. 

[Beau Vine 55,870]

2 minutes ago, Horndog said:

Saw this on Texags, and it fully encapsulates the disconnect that the Trumpsters have with reality:

"This whole mess is especially bothersome in a state like Georgia with a Republican governor, Republican secretary of state, and Republican legislature. Couldn't they have anticipated some of these election shenanigans and taken steps to head them off?"

Occam's razor in reverse. Biden wins in a state completely under the control of the GOP.  Rather than concede the obvious - that Biden got more votes - the conclusion is that the Dems cheated and all the Republican officials just let it happen. 

Someone on the football board coined the term "Aggy's razor" -- when faced with two competing explanations, choose the more idiotic one.  

[Js1 87,211]

9 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

You know a lot of lawyers that don’t seem confident when they are arguing on behalf of their client?

She’s paid to go on TV and sound confident that Trump will Prevail so Donny’s little peen gets hard enough to poke Lindsey Graham in the thigh

[Kringelbert Fishtybuns 947]

I believe that it is Slocum’s Razor.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Kringelbert Fishtybuns

[ChiTownDoc 21,346]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Wouldn't pardoning himself require Trump to actually admit that he did something wrong? Seems out of character if so. 

IMHO he is more likely to fight - hence the bankrolling for lawyers theory. 

He should be more worried about who his lawyers are vs how to pay them.  Any big group isn’t going to take the media hit and losing big corporate clients.  And his alternative is Rudy.  Lol.  I’m gonna need more popcorn.  

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1 minute ago, Kringelbert Fishtybuns said:

I believe that is is Slocum’s Razor.

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17 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I am so thrilled tonight!

I spoke with my mom and asked her how my dad was taking the election.

She said after every network declared Biden the winner, he turned off Fox News and said “Well, glad that’s over. Trump needs to be a gentleman and concede. Biden will be okay, thank goodness it isn’t Hillary.”

And this man, who has mainlined Fox News for four years HASN’T TURNED IT ON AT ALL THIS WHOLE WEEK!!!

My mom helped him discover he could watch recent college football games on PPV and rewatch classic sports on different ESPN channels. He had no idea those things existed and he’s been like a giddy kid watching old school games.

He told her that he’s tired of watching news all the time - he thinks it just made him angry. He’s decided to just watch an hour of - GASP - CNN with his coffee to catch the headlines and then no more news for the day. He said he’s been happier since he cut out the 24-7 news watching.

He wants her to show him how to work other stuff like Netflix and Hulu.

I cried when she told me “I feel like my husband is returning to normal.”

Things may still be awful and crazy on a macro level but I feel like a heavy, sad weight has been lifted off me.

Good for you and your dad.

[Dbeasy 15,604]

I believe that it is Slocum’s Razor.

And an outstanding user name that references the great Eddie Izzard. Bravo.

[TexEx15 17,955]

30 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Lulz

 

Um is 20k razor thin?  Florida 2000 was razor thin.  Has there ever been a recount close to changing the outcome with an initial margin of 20k?

[Vito Andolini 9,454]

They’ll spend the $7.9M, no problem, as long as it comes from the campaign funds, which simply generates more $$$$ from the morons, which keeps the graft going. The longer this standoff continues, the more the Dotard lines his pockets. 

[Vito Andolini 9,454]

Great, now he’s fucking around with nukes. Delightful. From NYT.

WASHINGTON — President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.

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WASHINGTON — President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.

A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency.

Any strike — whether by missile or cyber — would almost certainly be focused on Natanz, where the International Atomic Energy Agency reported on Wednesday that Iran’s uranium stockpile was now 12 times larger than permitted under the nuclear accord that Mr. Trump abandoned in 2018. The agency also noted that Iran had not allowed it access to another suspected site where there was evidence of past nuclear activity.

Mr. Trump asked his top national security aides what options were available and how to respond, officials said.

After Mr. Pompeo and General Milley described the potential risks of military escalation, officials left the meeting believing a missile attack inside Iran was off the table, according to administration officials with knowledge of the meeting.

Mr. Trump might still be looking at ways to strike Iranian assets and allies, including militias in Iraq, officials said. A smaller group of national security aides had met late Wednesday to discuss Iran, the day before the meeting with the president.

White House officials did not respond to requests for comment.

The episode underscored how Mr. Trump still faces an array of global threats in his final weeks in office. A strike on Iran may not play well to his base, which is largely opposed to a deeper American conflict in the Middle East, but it could poison relations with Tehran so that it would be much harder for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. to revive the 2015 Iran nuclear accord, as he has promised to do.

Since Mr. Trump dismissed Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and other top Pentagon aides last week, Defense Department and other national security officials have privately expressed worries that the president might initiate operations, whether overt or secret, against Iran or other adversaries at the end of his term.

The events of the past few days are not the first time that Iran policy has emerged in the final days of an outgoing administration. During the last days of the Bush administration in 2008, Israeli officials, concerned that the incoming Obama administration would seek to block it from striking Iran’s nuclear facilities, sought bunker-busting bombs, bombers and intelligence assistance from the United States for an Israeli-led strike.

Vice President Dick Cheney later wrote in his memoir that he supported the idea. President George W. Bush did not, but the result was a far closer collaboration with Israel on a cyberstrike against the Natanz facility, which took out about 1,000 of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges.

Ever since, the Pentagon has revised its strike plans multiple times. It now has traditional military as well as cyberoptions, and some that combine the two. Some involve direct action by Israel.

 

Edited November 17, 2020 by Vito Andolini

[brown water 3,789]

23 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Someone on the football board coined the term "Aggy's razor" -- when faced with two competing explanations, choose the more idiotic one.  

 

18 minutes ago, Kringelbert Fishtybuns said:

I believe that it is Slocum’s Razor.

Raises hand. It was the trump 2018 thread.  And, yes, I kept a screenshot for posterity

[Bozo_Casanova 26,873]

2 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

Great, now he’s fucking around with nukes. Delightful. From NYT.

WASHINGTON — President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.

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WASHINGTON — President Trump asked senior advisers in an Oval Office meeting on Thursday whether he had options to take action against Iran’s main nuclear site in the coming weeks. The meeting occurred a day after international inspectors reported a significant increase in the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, four current and former U.S. officials said on Monday.

A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Mr. Trump’s presidency.

Any strike — whether by missile or cyber — would almost certainly be focused on Natanz, where the International Atomic Energy Agency reported on Wednesday that Iran’s uranium stockpile was now 12 times larger than permitted under the nuclear accord that Mr. Trump abandoned in 2018. The agency also noted that Iran had not allowed it access to another suspected site where there was evidence of past nuclear activity.

Mr. Trump asked his top national security aides what options were available and how to respond, officials said.

After Mr. Pompeo and General Milley described the potential risks of military escalation, officials left the meeting believing a missile attack inside Iran was off the table, according to administration officials with knowledge of the meeting.

Mr. Trump might still be looking at ways to strike Iranian assets and allies, including militias in Iraq, officials said. A smaller group of national security aides had met late Wednesday to discuss Iran, the day before the meeting with the president.

White House officials did not respond to requests for comment.

The episode underscored how Mr. Trump still faces an array of global threats in his final weeks in office. A strike on Iran may not play well to his base, which is largely opposed to a deeper American conflict in the Middle East, but it could poison relations with Tehran so that it would be much harder for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. to revive the 2015 Iran nuclear accord, as he has promised to do.

Since Mr. Trump dismissed Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and other top Pentagon aides last week, Defense Department and other national security officials have privately expressed worries that the president might initiate operations, whether overt or secret, against Iran or other adversaries at the end of his term.

The events of the past few days are not the first time that Iran policy has emerged in the final days of an outgoing administration. During the last days of the Bush administration in 2008, Israeli officials, concerned that the incoming Obama administration would seek to block it from striking Iran’s nuclear facilities, sought bunker-busting bombs, bombers and intelligence assistance from the United States for an Israeli-led strike.

Vice President Dick Cheney later wrote in his memoir that he supported the idea. President George W. Bush did not, but the result was a far closer collaboration with Israel on a cyberstrike against the Natanz facility, which took out about 1,000 of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges.

Ever since, the Pentagon has revised its strike plans multiple times. It now has traditional military as well as cyberoptions, and some that combine the two. Some involve direct action by Israel.

 

Fuck