2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[HenryJames 65890]

 

[immamac 42518]

22 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Coronavirus is going to get a lot worse, and it's substantially Trump's fault.

Remember when Trump said this battle with coronavirus made him a "war time" president? And then he completely surrendered.

Nobody should be surprised. This is exactly how he has managed his multiple failed-businesses. But this time he can't declare bankruptcy.

Idk why this isn't a campaign by itself

[Aqua Buddha 14512]

24 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Coronavirus is going to get a lot worse, and it's substantially Trump's fault.

Remember when Trump said this battle with coronavirus made him a "war time" president? And then he completely surrendered.

Nobody should be surprised. This is exactly how he has managed his multiple failed-businesses. But this time he can't declare bankruptcy.

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Idk why this isn't a campaign by itself

 

Both of these.  If you look at his entire business career, it's just like this.  Fail at something and then move onto a totally new industry.  (Real estate, casinos, airlines, sham schools, etc.)

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

Wow. This interview is ... wow.

[Superhero 8774]

2 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I know people will think I’m an evil jackass, but we need this coronavirus centered news cycle to last as long as possible. It’s hurting trump tremendously. It’s all his and Fox News own doing. They had a chance to stop this virus while it was spreading in America unabated, but they were too busy calling it a democratic hoax.

 

bitches...... karma is a fucking bitch. The GOP has never deserved an ass kicking more than they deserve one this year. 

Yeah, you're an evil jackass. I'm hate Trump just as much as the rest of you, and want him to share a similar fate as Gaddafi. But trading however many more deaths, hospitalizations, unemployment, loss of insurance, bankruptcy, etc. just to get rid of one person is pretty dick-ish.

I mean history might look back and find that he became the next Hitler, then yeah I would trade everything to get rid of him now. But another 3-6 months of this will break a lot of families, and it's too high of a cost.

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

He says he’s going to fix healthcare and immigration via executive order in 2 weeks.

what a time to be alive. 

[HenryJames 65890]

 

[HenryJames 65890]

 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

I don't think there's any doubt that the pandemic is going to be at the lead of the news. Is there any chance that Trump is going to ramp up testing, or tracing, or anything else that might mitigate its spread? 

Well then, it's probably going to get worse. It's better in places where they do those things at a state and local level. Amazingly, they are mostly D locations. Maryland being a notable exception. 

I'd like to see it get better. I'd like to see the numbers flat line and go down, but I'm skeptical of seeing the south or west following the necessary protocols. 

We're going to continue on this path of destruction. I'd rather be wrong.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13412]

I’m getting more worried that Biden has too much time to screw something up if not get sick with covid himself.  Biden shouldn’t leave his house until after the election. Build out or put him in a house with a great video studio and the appropriate backdrop areas and just have interviews. Embed an audio/visual/tech team with him. No one else is allowed in or out.

his health for the next 4 months is up there with RGB in terms of importance for the Dems. 

[Guest Lobo]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Well isn't he some chronographic oddity!  Two weeks from everything.  /daper don man

Seriously, he reminds me of when I learned that a fortnight meant two weeks.  I used the term whenever I could to show off.  Like Trump is.  Only I was 6 years old at the time.  And he's the President.  So you know, there's that.  

[Storm the Field 5273]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

FNC poll, though still Biden +8 has some quirky stuff going on. Their last poll was Biden +12. 

Biden is trusted more on every single issue (COVID, Race Relations, even the economy by a point). 

The next 2 results are hilarious, given that Trump's entire campaign seems to be painting Biden as slow/senile:

Does (candidate) have the intelligence to serve effectively?

Biden 51% Yes, 36% No.

Trump 42% Yes, 52% No.

Does (candidate) have the mental soundness to serve effectively?

Biden 47% Yes, 39% No.

Trump 43% Yes, 51% No.

The narrowing of Biden's lead appears to come from the following sources, which don't really make a lot of sense:

Last poll, Biden was up 85/6 among blacks, this one has him at 78/14. Last poll attempted to do an oversample of blacks and had a 6% margin of error regarding black respondents. This one didn't and has 9.5% MOE!!!

Last poll, Biden was up 48/43 among college whites, this one has him trailing 48/45. Yeah, no. That's an extreme outlier.

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

Nm. Not sure I looked at that right. How did HRC do with college whites?

Edited July 19, 2020 by Larry T. Spider

[henrygandorf 29176]

6 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Is that Katie Hill district in LA? CA-26?

sounds like left coast is in ca-28, because that's mine too (schiff's).

katie hill was ca-25, which is north of la, more like lancaster (astros milb) and palmdale.

[Storm the Field 5273]

10 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Nm. Not sure I looked at that right. How did HRC do with college whites?

Exit polls have the 2016 white college vote going Trump 48/45.

This poll would be the exact same result and shows an 8 point swing towards Trump by college whites in the span of less than a month. I can't recall any recent high-quality polls that has Biden less than +10 among white college grads, much less one where he's actually trailing. 

[tantric superman 4667]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Well isn't he some chronographic oddity!  Two weeks from everything.  /daper don man

Slight deduction for playing it safe with the daper clue.  I would have gone with "dotard don man".

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Slight deduction for playing it safe with the daper clue.  I would have gone with "dotard don man".

Yeah, there were a number of ways I was going to go with it.  I mean, you say two weeks that much in a video, you're gonna invite "O' Brother" comparisons every day.  and then of course, it was about hair products.  You know he has a very specific hair regiment.  I'd be curious how First Families get their hygiene products.  Asking for a friend.  

[HenryJames 65890]

[Bevo14 8274]

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

 But this time he can't declare bankruptcy.

Not going to stop him from trying

[Left Coast 863]

24 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

sounds like left coast is in ca-28, because that's mine too (schiff's).

katie hill was ca-25, which is north of la, more like lancaster (astros milb) and palmdale.

Yeah I’m in Glendale, CA 28. CA 25 is the only local Congressional district in Republican hands that I’m aware of.

I think we may be seeing these ads since we have YouTube TV. That’s the only reason I can think of for seeing these ads. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He says he’s going to fix healthcare and immigration via executive order in 2 weeks.

what a time to be alive. 

It may sound like a 'believe it when you see it,' typical promise but I'm a little concerned about this.

The immigration e.o. would dovetail very nicely with the Gleichschaltung that Mr. Miller has crafted and Chad Wolf as the LAW & ORDER point man on the ground. It serves so many useful things for them: suppresses the Hispanic vote, suppresses the Hispanic numbers of the census, rounds up brown people. The aides are so excited about this, they can't wait to go on tour.

W/respect to the healthcare, I'm a little more skeptical that it would get written, but the bill for COVID is coming due, and the losses are going to be nutbar high so getting those pre-existing conditions off of insurance or having to pay incredibly high rates is going to be paramount. Between that and him harping on the payroll tax, it would be nice to see LP and the Party swing for the fences on those two issues in key markets.

[Voldemort86 2259]

44 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

It may sound like a 'believe it when you see it,' typical promise but I'm a little concerned about this.

The immigration e.o. would dovetail very nicely with the Gleichschaltung that Mr. Miller has crafted and Chad Wolf as the LAW & ORDER point man on the ground. It serves so many useful things for them: suppresses the Hispanic vote, suppresses the Hispanic numbers of the census, rounds up brown people. The aides are so excited about this, they can't wait to go on tour.

W/respect to the healthcare, I'm a little more skeptical that it would get written, but the bill for COVID is coming due, and the losses are going to be nutbar high so getting those pre-existing conditions off of insurance or having to pay incredibly high rates is going to be paramount. Between that and him harping on the payroll tax, it would be nice to see LP and the Party swing for the fences on those two issues in key markets.

The GOP has always been awful on healthcare.  They got nothing on that issue. 
 

 

[Guest Lobo]

4 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

The GOP has always been awful on healthcare.  They got nothing on that issue. 
 

 

I dunno, the 2003 overhaul of Medicare by Bush was largely well received.  Until Trump started dismantling it, too.  

The 1988 MCCA was probably the other largest overhaul of the program since its inception, but it went away just one year later after higher-income folks over 65 bitched about it too much.  But that law was about to really help medicare and medicaid recipients.  

But yeah, for the last 17 years...it's been a shitshow.  For the record, I think most of the ACA (not all, but at least 51%) is fucking garbage.

Having said all that, 10.5 years later after it was signed into law...my former party has introduced almost nothing to comprehensively replace the ACA.  But Donald Trump said in two weeks, he'll announce the long-awaited replacement plan for "Obamacare."  He's going to do in two weeks what the GOP couldn't do in 10.5 years.  If he so much as correctly reads the name of the replacement program with no mistakes, then I'll pledge to vote for him this November and take a photo of my ballot.   

He doesn't know the acronym for the program, but he's going to reinvent it in two weeks time?  Gee, I can't imagine why we sometimes say his voters have a False Messiah complex.  

[Brisketexan 104609]

14 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

The GOP has always been awful on healthcare.  They got nothing on that issue. 
 

 

The ACA has been in effect for a decade.  The GOP has had TEN FUCKING YEARS to craft a replacement.

And here they still sit, dicks in hand.  Correction, not their own dicks -- just Trump's little mushroom dick, as they stroke it passionately gloating about how them getting their face covered in Trump jizz will totally own the libs.

The GOP is the most worthless fucking political party in history.  Give me a straight-up trade for the Monster Raving Looney party any fucking day.

Edited July 19, 2020 by Brisketexan

[Pancho 44475]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Kanye is having a mental break and none of his people care more about him than his gravy train.

It’s actually sad and shouldn’t be fodder for the cameras.

And I’m not even getting into the stupidity of having a mass gathering during a pandemic.

[Bama Chick 28596]

“Yo, we leaving right now!” is my new 2020 motto.

[SydneyCarton 47876]

8 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Kanye is having a mental break and none of his people care more about him than his gravy train.

It’s actually sad and shouldn’t be fodder for the cameras.

And I’m not even getting into the stupidity of having a mass gathering during a pandemic.

Yeah, fuck no. He’s a self aggrandizing attention seeking idiot. I’m done with the idea that he’s mentally ill, and that the shitty family he’s married into doesn’t give a rat fuck. But it’s not sad when a sick person who wants and craves attention gets it by their own choice. Let me remind you who is in the White House, and it’s something that deserves pity. Unless you’re leveling the pity at us.

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The ACA has been in effect for a decade.  The GOP has had TEN FUCKING YEARS to craft a replacement.

And here they still sit, dicks in hand.  Correction, not their own dicks -- just Trump's little mushroom dick, as they stroke it passionately gloating about how them getting their face covered in Trump jizz will totally own the libs.

The GOP is the most worthless fucking political party in history.  Give me a straight-up trade for the Monster Raving Looney party any fucking day.

I’m old enough to have argued with Brisket about Healthcare plans when he was a Republican and what became ACA was the GOP alternative to universal healthcare. 

[Brisketexan 104609]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m old enough to have argued with Brisket about Healthcare plans when he was a Republican and what became ACA was the GOP alternative to universal healthcare. 

Yep.  And it's literally the last idea the GOP has had on healthcare.  I mean, except for the current platform of "fuck you, Americans -- DIE, BITCHES!"  Which, while catchy, doesn't seem to have broad appeal.

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

19 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Kanye is having a mental break and none of his people care more about him than his gravy train.

It’s actually sad and shouldn’t be fodder for the cameras.

And I’m not even getting into the stupidity of having a mass gathering during a pandemic.

I watched about 30 seconds. I can’t watch that. It’s a person having a mental health crisis being held up for scorn or something.  It’s like I’m watching my mom. He needs to be under care.

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, fuck no. He’s a self aggrandizing attention seeking idiot. I’m done with the idea that he’s mentally ill, and that the shitty family he’s married into doesn’t give a rat fuck. But it’s not sad when a sick person who wants and craves attention gets it by their own choice. Let me remind you who is in the White House, and it’s something that deserves pity. Unless you’re leveling the pity at us.

That is a person with a serious imbalance melting down. 

[StassneyHorn 6538]

Its been a couple weeks, and before that a year ago it was a couple weeks at another time, the fucker just wants attention, quit posting about Kanye goddamn it. He has legit mental issues that he and his wife have more than enough resources to address and improve.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Yeah he’s been diagnosed bipolar.

He’s having a manic episode and instead of taking him for care his family and entourage and everyone around him is indulging him and letting his mental illness control everything.

This is not a well man.

[SydneyCarton 47876]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That is a person with a serious imbalance melting down. 

Yes. And it’s what he wants. The current president of the United States is arguably mentally ill and melting down. Do you feel sorry for him? 
 

that being said, my phone aurocorrected Done in my original post, when what I really tried to rule was “fine.” He might very well be mentally ill. But he’s also the one putting himself out there, and seeking attention, and has the resources to get help as another poster said. Sorry, I don’t feel sorry for him.  

Edited July 19, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[Bama Chick 28596]

Who said anything about feeling sorry for him?

Both of their families care more about the money and power and publicity than they care about their loved ones mental health.

It’s pathetic and sad.

And sunlight is the best disinfectant. Talking about this latest meltdown may give Kanye attention but it should be shared so that there’s not a single person left that would even consider wasting a vote on him.

[SydneyCarton 47876]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Who said anything about feeling sorry for him?

Both of their families care more about the money and power and publicity than they care about their loved ones mental health.

It’s pathetic and sad.

And sunlight is the best disinfectant. Talking about this latest meltdown may give Kanye attention but it should be shared so that there’s not a single person left that would even consider wasting a vote on him.

I mean I agree. But I’m somewhat confused, your first post said this shouldn’t be public. But I certainly agree with everyone needed to see this shit. This fuckhead is seeking the highest office in the land. We currently have an existing example of how dangerous putting one of those into the office can be...so yeah, let him burn by the pyre he has laid for himself. 

[Biff Tannen 45494]

Wtf?  I thought he “dropped out”. Why is he having a “rally”?  Wtf is going on?

[DigglerontheHoof 21061]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wtf?  I thought he “dropped out”. Why is he having a “rally”?  Wtf is going on?

2020

[Biff Tannen 45494]

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

2020

I have a magnet on my fridge that says Fuck 2016. Seems quaint now. 

[Pancho 44475]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Kanye is having a mental break and none of his people care more about him than his gravy train.

It’s actually sad and shouldn’t be fodder for the cameras.

And I’m not even getting into the stupidity of having a mass gathering during a pandemic.

Correction:  He has been going through a mental breakdown since 2007.  

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

I mean I agree. But I’m somewhat confused, your first post said this shouldn’t be public. But I certainly agree with everyone needed to see this shit. This fuckhead is seeking the highest office in the land. We currently have an existing example of how dangerous putting one of those into the office can be...so yeah, let him burn by the pyre he has laid for himself. 

I meant his family never should have let this become a public spectacle.

But since they are, everyone needs to see how sick this man is so there’s no room for anyone to even try and justify a vote for him.

Is involuntary commitment not a thing any more? I realize none of the people around him can force him to get help and take his meds. And he’ll never get better if he never admits he’s sick.

I have a feeling he’s not going to make it to old age.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Kanye talk not going away but also fuck Kanye 

[gmr548 16512]

 
From NCAA President Mark Emmert:
"When we made the extremely difficult decision to cancel last spring's championships, it was because there was simply no way to conduct them safely," Emmert said in a statement. "This document lays out the advice of health care professionals as to how to resume college sports if we can achieve an environment where COVID-19 rates are manageable. Today, sadly, the data point in the wrong direction. If there is to be college sports in the fall, we need to get a much better handle on the pandemic." https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29475847/ncaa-issues-extended-guidelines-help-navigate-return-fall-sports-coronavirus-pandemic
 
SEC Country is Trump Country.  If there is no college football this fall, I can see a lot of Trump apathy among a large part of his base.
 

They'd turn on the admin of the schools and conference well before Trump.

[Mapache 1117]

Come on white people, wtf? 

 

[The Dog 43803]

Come on white people, wtf? 
 

Do u even Yougov?

[Mole 4320]

On 7/18/2020 at 12:04 AM, Biff Tannen said:

I got one tonight on YouTube. Couldn’t click skip ad fast enough. 

I had YouTube playing in the background when Eric came up offering me a chance to get on a list of 100 of people that Trump would personally look at - they had their list and were just waiting for me to join. I’ve seen that in here, but hearing it was something else. I was sure it was satire until Trump said he approved the message. 

Also, just to give the latest idea making the rounds of some more conspiracy-minded evangelicals: testing is a means of control. If you get tested, they’ll tell you it’s positive and force you into quarantine. I’m not sure who “they” are, but you definitely shouldn’t get tested or you’ll have your constitutional rights stripped.

I’m not sure if that’s foreign propaganda, bad-actor domestic propaganda, or just organic madness, but it’s out there. This stuff gets exhausting.

[Voldemort86 2259]

34 minutes ago, Mapache said:

Come on white people, wtf? 

 

There are lots of racist white people who vote for the GOP even tho their policies are against their own self interests because these people don’t want to vote with or be seen as associating with minorities.

you can usually identify these voters as the same people who hated Obama and acted enraged at the mention of his name. They hated him because of his skin color and were offended at the thought of a black man leading them.

 

i say this as a straight white male in my 30’s whose lived in Texas my whole life. I just see Texas as a very prejudiced and backwards thinking kind of state compared to blue states.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Voldemort86

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

19 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

There are lots of racist white people who vote for the GOP even tho their policies are against their own self interests because these people don’t want to vote with or be seen as associating with minorities.

you can usually identify these voters as the same people who hated Obama and acted enraged at the mention of his name. They hated him because of his skin color and were offended at the thought of a black man leading them.

 

i say this as a straight white male in my 30’s whose lived in Texas my whole life. I just see Texas as a very prejudiced and backwards thinking kind of state compared to blue states.

You go to these high schools, then head off to college where everyone was in the top couple percent.  Then those folks  become your buddies.  Then they’re you co-workers.  Then they’re your neighbors.  Pretty soon your impression of the world has become a pretty tight bubble.  You look outside it and see the ‘others’.  Oh, we’re not so different.  But that might just double your worldview -  from the top 20% to the top 40%.  Truth is those guys in high school that permanently left your sight when you left them behind? That was about 60% of your class.  The bottom 60%.  The majority of your class.  You left them because you have nothing in common with them. And they are the majority.  
Am I surprised Trump is up 7% with white folks?   I’m surprised it is that low.

[berlinerbaer 670]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Do u even Yougov?

Have you seen a poll where Trump is underwater with whites generally? I haven't. Don't sugarcoat this turd.