2020 Presidential Election -- Biden v Trump: Sleepy Joe vs Dopey Don [Results begin on page 409]

[The Dog 43805]

18 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

Have you seen a poll where Trump is underwater with whites generally? I haven't. Don't sugarcoat this turd.

Look, I know where Trump's support lies. But Jamele is pushing an agenda here. 

Black and Hispanic voters have always tilted towards the Democrats. There's nothing new here. 

What is important is that Trump has lost significant support amongst suburban whites and by a YUGE and BIGLY margin. 

That's clearly not indicated in the tweet and you know why. 

[berlinerbaer 670]

So what is wrong with that poll and its numbers?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

8 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

So what is wrong with that poll and its numbers?

I think the thing is the implication that whites are the only ones that vote based on tribal race alignment.  If 1/3 of voters of every race were only in it for race alignment issues, and 2/3rds were thinking folks, you would probably have pretty much the same percentages.  1/3 of whites are going to vote R no matter what, and the other 2/3's came out overwhelmingly D in the above chart.  The same is true with the other races, except for hispanic and black, the tribal element goes D.   So you start with 1/3 hispanics are going to vote D because of tribal stuff, and the remaining split D about 3-2. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19151]

11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Kanye talk not going away but also fuck Kanye 

I hope he goes nuts and takes out that entire worthless family before turning the gun on himself.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

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[gmr548 16513]

Come on white people, wtf? 
 

Trump was always, always going to win the white vote. Historically, R+9 is a relatively tight margin among whites and is bad news for Republicans.

[Rougarou 594]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hope he goes nuts and takes out that entire worthless family before turning the gun on himself.

You need help, too, it appears. Sheesh.

[Bruh Man 3160]

Just a friendly reminder what's at stake this November. (click to zoom)

Edited July 20, 2020 by Bruh Man

[Pancho 44477]

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West’s only remaining path in South Carolina would be to receive the presidential nomination of one of the 10 certified political parties in the state. He had previously announced that he would be running as a candidate under the self-created “Birthday Party.”

[LTbear 4161]

I'm shocked 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Seeing reports that noted progressive John Kasich is expected to speak at the DNC. 

[henrygandorf 29177]

+rep for "birthday" party.

troll confirmed.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

1 hour ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Seeing reports that noted progressive John Kasich is expected to speak at the DNC. 

Libs are flipping out about this but it’s not a big deal.  As long as Kasich is kept away from influencing policy or the platform, I don’t GAF about him giving a pro-Biden speech at the DNC. The goal is clearly to flip Ohio blue. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[SydneyCarton 47880]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Libs are flipping out about this but it’s not a big deal.  As long as Kasich is kept away from influencing policy or the platform, I don’t GAF about him giving a pro-Biden speech at the DNC. The goal is clearly to flip Ohio blue. 

This is just liberals being fucking stupid. They'll suck off the Lincoln Project, but this is a bridge too far? Because it's public? Fuck that.

Get that guy on stage and give a message about how his party has lost it's way, and that America needs to come together to preserve democracy. And don't be a whiny little bitch about it. He's not going to sit there and debate policy. He's going to say go vote Blue and get off the stage. So many democrats need fucking Tampons. It's not time to whine about your ideals, it's time to fucking WIN. 

[Bookman 4610]

Democrats need to be the inclusive party.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

35 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is just liberals being fucking stupid. They'll suck off the Lincoln Project, but this is a bridge too far? Because it's public? Fuck that.

We’re talking about a very small number of people making a stink about this.  However, to them, making a stink about it is strategic in order to not normalize Republicans.  There is no “dems in disarray” narrative here. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[BradInATX 9208]

14 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is just liberals being fucking stupid. They'll suck off the Lincoln Project, but this is a bridge too far? Because it's public? Fuck that.

Get that guy on stage and give a message about how his party has lost it's way, and that America needs to come together to preserve democracy. And don't be a whiny little bitch about it. He's not going to sit there and debate policy. He's going to say go vote Blue and get off the stage. So many democrats need fucking Tampons. It's not time to whine about your ideals, it's time to fucking WIN. 

Do we even know that liberals are actually mad? Consider the source is Hugo ergo "liberals are mad" probably means he read one person's comment 800 posts down in the Twitter replies and now thinks all liberals are in shambles.

Maybe Biden will make him VP instead of Liz.

Edited July 20, 2020 by BradInATX

[SydneyCarton 47880]

17 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Do we even know that liberals are actually mad? Consider the source is Hugo ergo "liberals are mad" probably means he read one person's comment 800 posts down in the Twitter replies and now thinks all liberals are in shambles.

Maybe Biden will make him VP instead of Liz.

I mean, I googled and there were already linked articles about the outrage. So even if there's one, I imagine people are grumbling for real.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/07/democrats-protest-giving-ex-ohio-gov-john-kasich-a-dnc-speaking-slot.html

[henrygandorf 29177]

i was told that biden was going to pick a republican as his vp so this seems about right.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

i was told that biden was going to pick a republican as his vp so this seems about right.

 

I was told this was the most progressive platform evah, so same.

[henrygandorf 29177]

figure trump's "base" is really only about 25-30% of voters.

that leaves a really big pie piece that isn't loyal to him, and is looking for an alternative.  that ~70% includes progressives, liberals, moderates, centrists, and never-trumper pubs.  the policy seems to be coming more from the left, judging from his partnerships (and it might as well be, because trump will act like it is regardless), so it makes sense to have some spokespeople who can speak to the center/center-right as well.  the fact that he's from ohio is a bonus.

this isn't about outsiders coming in and co-opting the party.  this is about winning, and winning big.

[Bookman 4610]

I listened to Hannity on the radio for about four minutes. He said this election is about socialism v. capitalism.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Yes, capitalism...where a guy that never had to fill out a job application in his life because he was given everything from birth should be re-elected...because capitalism.

[gmr548 16513]

The liberals among people who care who speaks at the convention may be mad.

People who care who speaks at the convention is a very small group. So it's a fraction off a very small fraction.

[Yuk 1509]

We, as a nation, need to prioritize partners in democracy and decency and good faith governance.  We can move on to policy after the Boomers self immolate.

[Bruh Man 3160]

lol

 

[The Dog 43805]

John Kasich:2020::Zell Miller:2004

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26281]

15 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

lol

 

Was that a robot coming for her pills?

[SilasCoade 2620]

I'd vote for a Biden - Kasich ticket in a heartbeat and I'm a pinko commie bastard. Only one thing matters.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Llogg
I'd vote for a dead hamster over that fucking orange stooge.

[BradInATX 9208]

That commercial is actually the first potentially effective thing Trump has done in awhile. That commercial is just stupid and ridiculous enough to work on some of the boomers he's lost over Covid. It reminds me of those Life Alert commercials from back in the day.

Help, I've fallen into a vortex of xenophobia and disdain for my fellow human and I can't get up!

[gmr548 16513]

lol
 

I'm surprised Trump actually approved the message given that it wasn't explicitly clear the burglar was black or brown.

[gmr548 16513]

I'd vote for a Biden - Kasich ticket in a heartbeat and I'm a pinko commie bastard. Only one thing matters.

I would, because you have to, but some milquetoast fake unity ticket bullshit would be really underwhelming. It also doesn't really play with where they've taken the campaign.

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Larry T. Spider 1740]

In a typical year, I would love the dem nominee to put a republican on the ticket if the person is willing to go along with most dem ideals. Maybe even agree to disagree from time to time. It would probably do more to get people to actually talk to each other instead of seeing the other side as evil.

BUT, this is not a typical year and we don’t have a typical president. We have the most sadistic president in US history and a Republican Party that is complicit. You crush them so that it will serve as a long term reminder of what going down the third world dictator path will do to your party. Much of their party will be looking for the next trump to lead them. We need enough of them to remember how they lost elections far and wide and vow to never make that mistake again.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5784]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

 

There we go, pump that into however many cathode ray tubes are still out there, the Olds will love that one. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

30 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

In a typical year, I would love the dem nominee to put a republican on the ticket if the person is willing to go along with most dem ideals. Maybe even agree to disagree from time to time. It would probably do more to get people to actually talk to each other instead of seeing the other side as evil.

BUT, this is not a typical year and we don’t have a typical president. We have the most sadistic president in US history and a Republican Party that is complicit. You crush them so that it will serve as a long term reminder of what going down the third world dictator path will do to your party. Much of their party will be looking for the next trump to lead them. We need enough of them to remember how they lost elections far and wide and vow to never make that mistake again.

This is why winning the WH and Senate isn't enough. I want minimum 350 EVs, at least one of Graham/Moscow Mitch's heads, and at least one of Texas, Georgia or Ohio. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Voldemort86 2259]

I don’t have a link, but Trump is trailing in some very important states in Trumps favorite pollster.

rasmussen has Biden leading trump 51-46 in Pennsylvania 

rasmussen also has Biden leading Trump 50-46 in Ohio.

whats notable about both is the pollster ( they always skew in favor of the GOP) and that Biden is over 50 in these states.

I seem to recall that Clinton wasn’t breaking over 50 barely anywhere in 2016.
 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Obama time. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 hour ago, Voldemort86 said:

I don’t have a link, but Trump is trailing in some very important states in Trumps favorite pollster.

rasmussen has Biden leading trump 51-46 in Pennsylvania 

rasmussen also has Biden leading Trump 50-46 in Ohio.

whats notable about both is the pollster ( they always skew in favor of the GOP) and that Biden is over 50 in these states.

I seem to recall that Clinton wasn’t breaking over 50 barely anywhere in 2016.
 

 

 

In light of the PA governor's comments yesterday (regarding DHS), this could get suspenseful. Although I wasn't aware that Philly or Pittsburgh were on Chad Wolf's tour.

[The Dog 43805]

1 hour ago, Voldemort86 said:

I don’t have a link, but Trump is trailing in some very important states in Trumps favorite pollster.

rasmussen has Biden leading trump 51-46 in Pennsylvania 

rasmussen also has Biden leading Trump 50-46 in Ohio.

whats notable about both is the pollster ( they always skew in favor of the GOP) and that Biden is over 50 in these states.

I seem to recall that Clinton wasn’t breaking over 50 barely anywhere in 2016.
 

 

 

Here's the latest RCP numbers for Pennsylvania: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_biden-6861.html

Rasmussen has a "mean reverted bias" of R +1.5 - meaning that their sampling methodology results in a slight R tilt. Keep in mind that doesn't mean anything other than how they sample - many quality pollsters have numbers like that one way or another. Fox News/Beacon has a D +1.4 and is considered one of the best polling outfits.

Hillabeast hit 50 in one poll at this time in 2016, but that was a Monmouth poll with a MOE +/- 5 points which is awful and shouldn't have been published. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by The Dog

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

On 7/20/2020 at 2:53 PM, Bookman said:

I listened to Hannity on the radio for about four minutes. He said this election is about socialism v. capitalism.

If only.

 

[Herpa Derpa 6112]

On 7/20/2020 at 5:53 PM, Bookman said:

I listened to Hannity on the radio for about four minutes. He said this election is about socialism v. capitalism.

Your first mistake was listening to the radio.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

what's a radio?

[4th&Five 41461]

[Storm the Field 5273]

3 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

I don’t have a link, but Trump is trailing in some very important states in Trumps favorite pollster.

rasmussen has Biden leading trump 51-46 in Pennsylvania 

rasmussen also has Biden leading Trump 50-46 in Ohio.

whats notable about both is the pollster ( they always skew in favor of the GOP) and that Biden is over 50 in these states.

I seem to recall that Clinton wasn’t breaking over 50 barely anywhere in 2016.

LOL, Rasmussen is trash. They have Trump at 49% approval today and national race neck and neck at Biden +2 (47/45). 

Their national poll has Biden +11 with Independents but it's a real close race b/c Biden can only get 74% from his own party. Apparently 1/4 of Dems are really on the fence.

Edited July 22, 2020 by Storm the Field

[henrygandorf 29177]

i'm not worried about pennsylvania.

[Queen Bitch 1692]

On 7/21/2020 at 6:30 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

~bUt YoU wOn'T bE sAfE iN bIdEn'S aMeRiCa~

[SimonBolivar 10930]

1 hour ago, Herpa Derpa said:

Your first mistake was listening to the radio.

HEY! NPR is a very nice lady!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

As someone who wants Trump out, I'm skeptical of the polls until I see Trump lose. There are more people than you think that feel ashamed to publicly support Trump but let's see how they vote when no one is looking. In their minds, they will create the justification and feel good about their choice.