Texas Re-Opening Announced

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

41 minutes ago, Xian said:

Here is an email being sent around clear creek isd teachers  

 

We learned a little more regarding opening for CCISD today.

Teachers:
If you get COVID you essentially can't use Workers comp because you won't be able to prove where you got the virus.

The district will not be providing any additional sick days to care for yourself or family.  You can apply through the Federal Cares act for an additional 10 days.  The Cares act goes through Dec 2020

If you are exposed to a student with COVID, you will not quarantine.  You will wear a mask and get your temperature checked daily.  You will continue to work

The school environment:
Everyone will wear masks, except while eating.  If you can get your kids to be 6 ft apart then teachers can give permission to take masks off.  There may be areas of the school where people can spread out and take off their masks.

No changes to class sizes.

The day will be 10 minutes longer to allow time for cleaning.  No schedules have been announced
PPE will be provided to teachers in the form of masks and/or shields.  Cleaning supplies will be provided and there will be hand sanitizing stations.

Edit to add (Thank your Xxxx)  Once a class or school has 10% confirmed cases that class or school will go to Learn at Home mode.  There will be times where some schools are down and others are open...some classes are shut down and others are open.  There were very few details given regarding this.

Next time someone starts a shit on the teacher's union party, remember this post. Collective bargaining is a hill worth dying on. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

40 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The GOP is a death cult.

“Trump must win re-election again so if thousands must die to do so be it. This is all just a Democrat hoax plot against trump.”

- GOP and all its supporters 

[mdmost 42843]

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5106]

45 minutes ago, Xian said:

Here is an email being sent around clear creek isd teachers  

 

We learned a little more regarding opening for CCISD today.

Teachers:
If you get COVID you essentially can't use Workers comp because you won't be able to prove where you got the virus.

The district will not be providing any additional sick days to care for yourself or family.  You can apply through the Federal Cares act for an additional 10 days.  The Cares act goes through Dec 2020

If you are exposed to a student with COVID, you will not quarantine.  You will wear a mask and get your temperature checked daily.  You will continue to work

The school environment:
Everyone will wear masks, except while eating.  If you can get your kids to be 6 ft apart then teachers can give permission to take masks off.  There may be areas of the school where people can spread out and take off their masks.

No changes to class sizes.

The day will be 10 minutes longer to allow time for cleaning.  No schedules have been announced
PPE will be provided to teachers in the form of masks and/or shields.  Cleaning supplies will be provided and there will be hand sanitizing stations.

Edit to add (Thank your Xxxx)  Once a class or school has 10% confirmed cases that class or school will go to Learn at Home mode.  There will be times where some schools are down and others are open...some classes are shut down and others are open.  There were very few details given regarding this.

If I had kids and lived in this district, this would be me heading for another school district.

[Woland 729]

I think this is a pretty sound prediction:

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(1) Anyone at or near retirement will probably take early retirement if we try to start school in the fall. Given the number of comorbidities that plague Americans’ health, this shouldn’t come as a surprise,

(2) Those teachers with spouses that can afford to be a stay-at-home parent will stay at home,

(3) Pregnant and those intending to get pregnant teachers will take a year off and potentially never return,

(4) teacher’s education graduates and those in their first five years without the “golden handcuffs” will leave the teaching career path,

And, (5) there will be a minimum number of substitutes. Most substitutes are retirees looking for extra income or recent graduates that couldn’t find a teaching job. Retirees will not come back to sub. The recent graduates willing to teach will be snatched up in a heartbeat to replace scenarios 1 through 4. Teachers will be pushed into substitute teaching within their buildings for other teachers during their free periods. The situation will hasten the exit from the classroom for those in scenario 4.

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

We are going to see them.  And don't call me Surely.  

But yeah, they're going to happen.  And I don't blame them and I don't really endorse it either.  What I do know is, of course...shitheads gonna shithead.  There'll be counter-protestors up the ass at those things yelling at the teachers to shut up and do their jobs, "We ain't paying you to protest, Ms. Smith!  Shut up go back to work Vice Principal Asshole!"  And yes, the Venn Diagram between people who hated teachers while in school and people who are uneducated sacks of shit will meet generously in the middle as "counter-protestors of the teacher protests"  

[tchookem 3900]

Next time someone starts a shit on the teacher's union party, remember this post. Collective bargaining is a hill worth dying on. 

Again, Texas does not have teachers' unions. They do not collectively bargain.

That may have been your point, but many people di not know this.

[tchookem 3900]

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

Teachers can't strike. Striking means losing your certification.

[Foosters 17727]

24 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

Sure hope so. 

I'd love to see strikes in every industry at every level.

I've already lost one colleague. More will come. The show must go on.

[Foosters 17727]

6 minutes ago, tchookem said:

28 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

Teachers can't strike. Striking means losing your certification.

 I'm not sure some of them would care. They would be striking so they don't die.

And even if they do care, its a big game of chicken. Whats Texas gonna do? Decertify all striking teachers and . . . what? 

Keep the schools open with guide dogs running things?

Edited July 8, 2020 by Foosters

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

6 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Again, Texas does not have teachers' unions. They do not collectively bargain.

That may have been your point, but many people di not know this.

Yeah that's absolutely my point. The ability to collectively bargain would prevent the district from pulling the garbage in that post. The teacher's union would sit down with administration and negotiate a lot of that shit to respectable conditions 

[tchookem 3900]

 I'm not sure some of them would care. They would be striking so they don't die.
And even if they do care, its a big game of chicken. Whats Texas gonna do? Decertify all striking teachers and . . . what? 
Keep the schools open with guide dogs running things?

Not trying to pick a fight, we are clearly on the same side, but what about Texas's treatment of teachers leads you to believe that they view us as anything other than expendable?

In fact, my inner conspiracy nut sees all this as potentially being used to push the homeschool/privatized public education agenda.

[Born to Run 6565]

Companies are going to figure out, if they haven't already, that productivity does not drop when employees work from home. The next step will be to save money by reducing office space.

Yeah I don't envy commercial realtors.

[fattyflattie 4636]

35 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Again, Texas does not have teachers' unions. They do not collectively bargain.

That may have been your point, but many people di not know this.

Has it always been this way?  MIL is a 35+ year (now retired) teacher and I could have sworn at some point she's mentioned something wrt the unions.  But she just as easily could have been talking about not having one.  

[Ghost of LL 15477]

58 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

Whether organized or not, I think you're going to have a lot of districts facing a real shortage of teachers.

12 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Not trying to pick a fight, we are clearly on the same side, but what about Texas's treatment of teachers leads you to believe that they view us as anything other than expendable?

In fact, my inner conspiracy nut sees all this as potentially being used to push the homeschool/privatized public education agenda.

I don't think that's much of a conspiracy theory.  The Trumpublicans' hostility to public education is pretty overt.

[hayden_horn 11360]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

Whether organized or not, I think you're going to have a lot of districts facing a real shortage of teachers.

I don't think that's much of a conspiracy theory.  The Trumpublicans' hostility to public education is pretty overt.

[conVINCEd 21468]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Whether organized or not, I think you're going to have a lot of districts facing a real shortage of teachers.

I don't think that's much of a conspiracy theory.  The Trumpublicans' hostility to public education is pretty overt.

They’re gonna have a shortage of students as well.

[Continental Op 3934]

1 hour ago, Gap03 said:

JFC - this is basically a COVID-19 party for teachers. We don't pay teachers enough for this shit.

Go to the daily texan thread and learn about how teachers are the most overpaid slackers on earth! 

[Gap03 3276]

8 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

Go to the daily texan thread and learn about how teachers are the most overpaid slackers on earth! 

[Foosters 17727]

47 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Not trying to pick a fight, we are clearly on the same side, but what about Texas's treatment of teachers leads you to believe that they view us as anything other than expendable?

In fact, my inner conspiracy nut sees all this as potentially being used to push the homeschool/privatized public education agenda.

Oh, I agree. I've been saying for months that essential = expendable. And, as someone who is on the front lines, you have a much better grasp of that relationship than I do. My wife is a teacher (not in TX) and she is dealing with the same stresses and questions leading into the fall.

[ryskey 447]

Imperfect, somewhat Machiavellian solution:

As long as we're printing money, double (or whatever it takes) salaries/wages for teachers and substitutes.  Also make up the difference in insurance premiums to limit/eliminate deductibles and provide the most coverage.  There is going to be a price at which people are induced to tolerate the risk.  That's a better use of the money printer than buying high yield bonds. 

That's very imperfect and shitty but there aren't many levers to pull here.

 

[tchookem 3900]

Has it always been this way?  MIL is a 35+ year (now retired) teacher and I could have sworn at some point she's mentioned something wrt the unions.  But she just as easily could have been talking about not having one.  

As long as I can remember (I've been teaching 20 years, plus several years before that), yes. The "unions" you hear mentioned are actually professional organizations. They collect dues, but they have no role in collective bargaining or any meaningful pressure regarding teacher/management relations. Their role is basically lobbyists with shallow pockets and providing teachers with attorneys should they get sued.

 

[tchookem 3900]

Yeah I don't envy commercial realtors.

I've said this from the start. The only thing I can think of are the assholes using offices to measure dick size. I mean what good is having the awesome view if you can't walk past the cubicle drones?

[Biff Tannen 45491]

1 hour ago, Continental Op said:

Go to the daily texan thread and learn about how teachers are the most overpaid slackers on earth! 

It's fucking wild that the CR is now more rational than the DT.  

[TXSG8R 3360]

17 minutes ago, tchookem said:

As long as I can remember (I've been teaching 20 years, plus several years before that), yes. The "unions" you hear mentioned are actually professional organizations. They collect dues, but they have no role in collective bargaining or any meaningful pressure regarding teacher/management relations. Their role is basically lobbyists with shallow pockets and providing teachers with attorneys should they get sued.

 

Yea, that's the ATPE I think?  My wife hit 20 years in Texas this year too.  AFAIK that is the only thing she gives any money to.  

[fattyflattie 4636]

20 minutes ago, tchookem said:

2 hours ago, Born to Run said:

Yeah I don't envy commercial realtors.

I've said this from the start. The only thing I can think of are the assholes using offices to measure dick size. I mean what good is having the awesome view if you can't walk past the cubicle drones?

Ahem.   Having an office in West U > office in Katy.  Same game.  

[Hefeweizen 5307]

2 hours ago, Woland said:

Companies are going to figure out, if they haven't already, that productivity does not drop when employees work from home. The next step will be to save money by reducing office space.

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 

I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

[tchookem 3900]

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 
I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

But imagine once the kids are back in school!

[InkaUtexas 25496]

8 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 

I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

Stop watching porn and jerking off. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

20 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It's fucking wild that the CR is now more rational than the DT.  

*pssssst*

It always has been.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13546]

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Stop watching porn and jerking off. 

Uh, last time I checked this was America and there's a little something called the Constitution.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

43 minutes ago, tchookem said:

As long as I can remember (I've been teaching 20 years, plus several years before that), yes. The "unions" you hear mentioned are actually professional organizations. They collect dues, but they have no role in collective bargaining or any meaningful pressure regarding teacher/management relations. Their role is basically lobbyists with shallow pockets and providing teachers with attorneys should they get sued.

 

That sounds terrible. I know at least in San Diego, the local CTA (California Teacher's Association) rep is heavily involved in contract negotiations. Those dues have to be for more than just legal protection. 

[InkaUtexas 25496]

7 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Uh, last time I checked this was America and there's a little something called the Constitution.

Well ok my man, as long as you are wearing a mask. 

[Woland 729]

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 
I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

It’s logical that it would be dependent upon the company or division within the company. Employees with routine schedules and deadlines can complete those anywhere. I can see where a job in development would require more direct collaboration and supervision. My BIL, who works in IT, hasn’t had a physical office in over a decade. I don’t see companies completely giving up central space, but that space can become smaller and more flexible.

[Beau Vine 53983]

So Sylvester Turner just cancelled the Republican state convention...less than 24 hours after Wheels and his idiot cabal announced that it would still happen, but they would be speaking online.  

Those stupid assholes can't predict where the sun's going to come up tomorrow, can they?

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/08/houston-cancel-republican-convention

[StassneyHorn 6536]

Abbott and Dickey absolutely relied on Turner to do the right thing, and save their ass. Dickey probably just lost his position as chair as a result and the Texas GOP will be heading into the next decade with Allen West as the face of the RPT and the 5 largest county chairs having a level of ineptitude rivaling Austin traffic. 

The convention is going to be must see streaming. Highly encourage all to pregame.

[Post Oak 20183]

Brooks County saying

Texas county warns of arrests for COVID-19 positive residents who don’t self-isolate

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Texas-county-warns-of-arrests-for-COVID-19-positive-residents-who-dont-self-isolate-571673161.html

 

[horn4life 3755]

I am sort of disappointed.  As the overall kill ratio and Darwin award winners was going to be epic for the Texas GOP convention.

I guess we should do our part and save the truly fucking stupid from themselves...

[Bama Chick 28596]

But will Abbot and the Texas GOP double down and try to move their “convention” somewhere more anti-science/pro-Covid?

Is there a single big city left in Texas in Republican hands?

[conVINCEd 21468]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

But will Abbot and the Texas GOP double down and try to move their “convention” somewhere more anti-science/pro-Covid?

Is there a single big city left in Texas in Republican hands?

Midland or Amarillo.

[Post Oak 20183]

26 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Abbott and Dickey absolutely relied on Turner to do the right thing, and save their ass. Dickey probably just lost his position as chair as a result and the Texas GOP will be heading into the next decade with Allen West as the face of the RPT and the 5 largest county chairs having a level of ineptitude rivaling Austin traffic. 

The convention is going to be must see streaming. Highly encourage all to pregame.

This is the GOP leadership style in a nutshell.  Fuck the situation up so terribly that the adults have to come in and save your ass.

I expect to hear Abbott slamming Turner for this pretty soon.

[gmr548 16491]

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 
I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

I'm useless from both spots so this hits close to home

[Deej 76542]

14 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

But will Abbot and the Texas GOP double down and try to move their “convention” somewhere more anti-science/pro-Covid?

Is there a single big city left in Texas in Republican hands?

Bryan/College Station would gladly host. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

1 hour ago, Hefeweizen said:

This is objectively not true in my experience.  There are about 25 percent of the employees who are as or more efficient from home, another 25 percent slightly less but still viable, and half that for whatever reason either need the structure of an office, mentoring, equipment, or other issue that renders them worthless remote.
 
I find myself a lot more distracted at home.   

I'm useless from both spots so this hits close to home

dual monitors and zoom meetings were the worst things to ever happen to my attention span. 

[gmr548 16491]

But will Abbot and the Texas GOP double down and try to move their “convention” somewhere more anti-science/pro-Covid?

Is there a single big city left in Texas in Republican hands?

They could do it in The Woodlands or Plano or some shit. Different counties than Dallas and Houston, solidly Republican.

[wildcat09 29224]

28 minutes ago, horn4life said:

I am sort of disappointed.  As the overall kill ratio and Darwin award winners was going to be epic for the Texas GOP convention.

I guess we should do our part and save the truly fucking stupid from themselves...

Oh I’m sure they’ll all still get it within the next few months. At least this way, a lot of them won’t be in Houston spreading it around. 

[Post Oak 20183]

32 minutes ago, Deej said:

Bryan/College Station would gladly host. 

No complaints here. 

[conVINCEd 21468]

4 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

No complaints here. 

Let’s do day 1 in B/CS and day 2 in Waco.

[InkaUtexas 25496]

2 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Let’s do day 1 in B/CS and day 2 in Waco.

And then off to a Casino in OK. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19146]

4 hours ago, tchookem said:

5 hours ago, mdmost said:

Surely, we're going to see some teachers' strikes in August and September. 

Teachers can't strike. Striking means losing your certification.

What good is a certification if you're dead?