Dallas Cowboys 2018 offseason thread

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 hour ago, futureman said:

like jerry, I’ve never given up on randy.  that draft pick is going to pay off when he gets 10 sacks this year in limited snaps. 

Why can't I quit you!?

 

[Dr Fear 1,268]

I believe that Gregory's contract tolled just like Josh Gordon's so he is under contract this year for $781k and 2019 for $955k. It would be huge to get him back productive.

[DougO 5,247]

Not a huge loss, but he played some important snaps that have to be replaced.

 

 

[In10se 175]

Watch him go to camp and once the prrssure of being back in football gets there he gets hit with a positive test again. It's the Cowboys way under Jones. 

 

Hopefully not. I really want to see him play. 

[futureman 22,462]

James Hannah never played an important snap in life.  

get serious, doug 

[GOAT 1]

Draft a TE in the 2nd round that can actually gain a yard after the catch instead of just falling down

[Trey3216 15,346]

Hannah retiring just got us $2.2mm in extra cap space.  

[Bone3421 716]

So i always just go with a conservative 3-3 in division even though we probably go 4-2 

After that i will give us the colts but every other game as of now seems tough

As team stands now i will assume 10-6 with a range of +/-1

[Vic Mackey 47,037]

1 hour ago, GOAT said:

Draft a TE in the 2nd round that can actually gain a yard after the catch instead of just falling down

Won't matter. Until Witten is completely off this roster, our offense for whatever reason will heavily involve him. Meaning any other TE behind him won't get a serious shot. He needs the Emmitt Smith treatment. Want to keep playing? Cool. Just go play somewhere else to pad your stats and finish your career. He serves no purpose to this offense any longer. 

[Bone3421 716]

W-eagles,giants,skins(2),colts,tenn,lions,

Bucs

L-eagles,giants,saints,falcons,jags

50/50 no idea swing games- seahawks,panthers,texans

Probably could move jags to swing game 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

25 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Won't matter. Until Witten is completely off this roster, our offense for whatever reason will heavily involve him. Meaning any other TE behind him won't get a serious shot. He needs the Emmitt Smith treatment. Want to keep playing? Cool. Just go play somewhere else to pad your stats and finish your career. He serves no purpose to this offense any longer. 

I understand Witten's play has diminished, but he's still the best TE on this roster. We've drafted his so called replacement plenty of times (Fasano, Marty B, Hanna, Escobar, etc) and he's been better than all of them.  Hell, Witten's 560 yards last year put him 12th in the league.  

 

 

 

[GOAT 1]

9 minutes ago, EvilCaseMcCoy said:

I understand Witten's play has diminished, but he's still the best TE on this roster. We've drafted his so called replacement plenty of times (Fasano, Marty B, Hanna, Escobar, etc) and he's been better than all of them.  Hell, Witten's 560 yards last year put him 12th in the league.  

 

 

 

They misused Bennett. He was pretty productive with the Giants, Bears, and Patriots. Witten also averaged 6 YAC/game. A tight end that is a mismatch for LB's and get yards after catch would do wonders for the offense, especially since Dez is gone.

[futureman 22,462]

1 hour ago, GOAT said:

They misused Bennett. He was pretty productive with the Giants, Bears, and Patriots. Witten also averaged 6 YAC/game. A tight end that is a mismatch for LB's and get yards after catch would do wonders for the offense, especially since Dez is gone.

bennett has never been better than witten.  he was used exactly as he should have been while he was here.  

[Drew 2,408]

3 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Won't matter. Until Witten is completely off this roster, our offense for whatever reason will heavily involve him. Meaning any other TE behind him won't get a serious shot. He needs the Emmitt Smith treatment. Want to keep playing? Cool. Just go play somewhere else to pad your stats and finish your career. He serves no purpose to this offense any longer. 

Absolutely false. Yes he needs be phased out, but you’re once agian being overdramatic by saying he adds no value whatsoever.  He’s still a security banker and catches everything. Yes he doesn’t do much else but that’s still valuable. 

 

They just need to force his ass off the field more. That’s the issue. He takes every snap. 

[DougO 5,247]

4 hours ago, futureman said:

James Hannah never played an important snap in life.  

get serious, doug 

 

He was in on 25% of the Cowboys offensive plays and 35% of special teams plays. I'm sure some were important.

[futureman 22,462]

for it to be an important snap for him he’d have to have an important role, which he’s never had, ever.  he’s the definition of a warm body that can be replaced by any free agent TE available. 

[In10se 175]

1 hour ago, Drew said:

Absolutely false. Yes he needs be phased out, but you’re once agian being overdramatic by saying he adds no value whatsoever.  He’s still a security banker and catches everything. Yes he doesn’t do much else but that’s still valuable. 

 

They just need to force his ass off the field more. That’s the issue. He takes every snap. 

I think that's his point. Witten needs to be gone since the coaches or jerry or whoever can't seem to be trusted with doing the right thing for the team and cutting his snaps by a lot. Especially if Swaim and Rico are healthy this year we really need to see what they have. 

Sort of like there's nothing wrong with a bottle of bourbon but an alcoholic needs to never have one around because he can't be trusted with it. 

[GOAT 1]

2 hours ago, futureman said:

bennett has never been better than witten.  he was used exactly as he should have been while he was here.  

Who said he was better than Witten? All I said is he was misused.

[Nicole44 22,060]

Is anyone from Dallas going to Pluckers on Beltline next Thursday to watch the draft? I guess the Ticket radio guys will be there (prefer the Fan). Wasn't sure with the new board where this question should go. Just excited to watch the draft somewhere. Wonder if Courtland Sutton will be their second round pick. 

[Patrick Bateman 3,913]

The problem with the 2nd TE is largely schematic, not really Witten.  We've drafted many TEs over time with an offseason desire to use them more, namely Bennett and Escobar.  These were unbelievabley stupid  misallocation of draft assets because we've never shown in the Red/Linehan offense, an ability to use a 2nd TE.  We don't play enough 2 TE sets especially when we need to generate some offense with our passing game.  The problem isn't simply we didn't use Bennett enough or Escobar was an fucking horrible pick, it's those guys weren't going to play enough to be productive anyway..... Until Witten retires, we should probably steer clear of using any type of valuable asset (first 4/5 round pick, big money UFA, trade, etc) on our 2nd TE.  Guys like Hanna, Swaim, and the big ugly Jarwin should be able to do enough in the limited role we give them....

[futureman 22,462]

13 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

 I guess the Ticket radio guys will be there (prefer the Fan). 

get the fuck outta here

[Nicole44 22,060]

2 minutes ago, futureman said:

get the fuck outta here

I typed the opposite. Damnit. Fan guys will be there (prefer the Ticket). Shit

Edited April 21, 2018 by Nicole44
Listen to the Ticket guys on my commute every morning. Typed wrong shit

[DougO 5,247]

3 hours ago, futureman said:

for it to be an important snap for him he’d have to have an important role, which he’s never had, ever.  he’s the definition of a warm body that can be replaced by any free agent TE available. 

The problem with that is the they have tried to replace him for years, and have not been able to do so.

[DougO 5,247]

18 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

The problem with the 2nd TE is largely schematic, not really Witten.  We've drafted many TEs over time with an offseason desire to use them more, namely Bennett and Escobar.  These were unbelievabley stupid  misallocation of draft assets because we've never shown in the Red/Linehan offense, an ability to use a 2nd TE.  We don't play enough 2 TE sets especially when we need to generate some offense with our passing game.  The problem isn't simply we didn't use Bennett enough or Escobar was an fucking horrible pick, it's those guys weren't going to play enough to be productive anyway..... Until Witten retires, we should probably steer clear of using any type of valuable asset (first 4/5 round pick, big money UFA, trade, etc) on our 2nd TE.  Guys like Hanna, Swaim, and the big ugly Jarwin should be able to do enough in the limited role we give them....

Partially correct. The Cowboys have been abysmal at gathering and developing TE talent. They actually used Bennett quite a bit until they got tired of him dropping catch after catch and missing block after block, when he was at least supposed to be a great blocker. He wasn't. He admitted himself he didn't learn the game until after he left the Cowboys. Cowboys TE acquisitions have been a parade of scrubs over the last decade.

[GOAT 1]

32 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 Until Witten retires, we should probably steer clear of using any type of valuable asset (first 4/5 round pick, big money UFA, trade, etc) on our 2nd TE.  

That's the whole point. Why wait until he retires? He wants to play till he's 40. I love Witten but it's time to move on.

[Patrick Bateman 3,913]

43 minutes ago, DougO said:

Partially correct. The Cowboys have been abysmal at gathering and developing TE talent. They actually used Bennett quite a bit until they got tired of him dropping catch after catch and missing block after block, when he was at least supposed to be a great blocker. He wasn't. He admitted himself he didn't learn the game until after he left the Cowboys. Cowboys TE acquisitions have been a parade of scrubs over the last decade.

I guess it depends on what one defines as using or leveraging an asset.  Bennett's best year with Dallas he received 47 targets and caught 33 balls for 260 yards and 0 TDs.  That was his big season.  He learned the intricacies of the game just fine here, he simply bristled under the coaching mechanisms.  He was a terrible pick because he was young coming out and had well documented maturity issues.  He didn't take the game seriously nor respect it.  It took plays off.  He dropped balls.  He ran sloppy routes.  But he also learned how to practice, learned positioning and how to read defense here in Dallas.  He simply wasn't mature enough to be productive.  Let's face it, he was a fucking Jerry pick through and through.  Jerry's never understood or maybe even cared about how to build culture and a team.  It's why he's been a failure since Jimmy left.  Regardless, Marty B learned enough and was being taught the game but there's not enough room for an immature kid who only cared about scoring TDs and being on the field to really blossom.  Then again, some dudes are just assholes..... He was accused for quitting on Green Bay last offseason and reportedly most of the team hated him, so he was waived....

19 minutes ago, GOAT said:

That's the whole point. Why wait until he retires? He wants to play till he's 40. I love Witten but it's time to move on.

That's an entirely different point.  You can piss into the wind on this point.  I'm of the opinion, he'll retire here and the decision will probably be his.... Now I don't think that's necessarily the right decision, but I think it's the reality of the situation.  Dallas has so few truly "football legends" the last 20 years, you need some sort of ambassador and he works with Jerry/Stephen with his contract too.  Idk, his contract isn't up until 2021 and while I don't think he finishes it.  I could definitely see 2 more years in his eyes.

Edited April 21, 2018 by Patrick Bateman

[Drew 2,408]

11 hours ago, futureman said:

get the fuck outta here

 

11 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

I typed the opposite. Damnit. Fan guys will be there (prefer the Ticket). Shit

I would say when it comes to the draft only Bob is worth listening too and in regards by to the draft.  Norm is obviously knowledgeable but a beating. 

 

Im actually to listen to both stations at time because Jeff and KT are really good at the draft from the fan as well. And after Bob stops, there’s no reason to listen to norm on the ticket all weekend. And after the first night Dane Brugled usually pops up on the Fan coverage and he’s really good. 

 

So obviously you listen to the ticket over the fan on a daily basis. But in regards to the draft the fan actually has some more knowledgeable guys breaking down the draft than everyone except Bob from the ticket.  I mean unless you can’t wait for Norms super exciting “name game” 

[Get ln My Van 927]

19 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Is anyone from Dallas going to Pluckers on Beltline next Thursday to watch the draft? I guess the Ticket radio guys will be there (prefer the Fan). Wasn't sure with the new board where this question should go. Just excited to watch the draft somewhere. Wonder if Courtland Sutton will be their second round pick. 

I’ll watch the draft in the same place I have since I was 15... the comfort of my couch. And I’ll spend the entirety of it within a 20 foot radius and question my priorities in life at the end of it.

[kevwun 15,788]

I would be really surprised if Green Bay signs Dez.  He'd drive Rodgers and McCarthy nuts.

[Nicole44 22,060]

1 hour ago, Get ln My Van said:

I’ll watch the draft in the same place I have since I was 15... the comfort of my couch. And I’ll spend the entirety of it within a 20 foot radius and question my priorities in life at the end of it.

I see! Is it the same couch? 

[Nicole44 22,060]

49 minutes ago, kevwun said:

I would be really surprised if Green Bay signs Dez.  He'd drive Rodgers and McCarthy nuts.

I can see him at Indy. That’s my thought. Just trying to imagine who Cowboys pick once the QB frenzy is over.

[Get ln My Van 927]

22 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I see! Is it the same couch? 

No, I’ve since downgraded 

[Nicole44 22,060]

17 minutes ago, Get ln My Van said:

No, I’ve since downgraded 

 

17 minutes ago, Get ln My Van said:

No, I’ve since downgraded 

To...(a van down by the river?) are y’all ok with Courtland Sutton? I can see Cowboys going there.

also heard some of the audio of the Cowboys stuff on the Fan of last season’s shitfest and on the upcoming series (to be released next Thursday) and I have to say I respect Garrett a lot more than i did before : “Jason Garrett, Pilot fucking error.” He said that about himself. 

[Jameslaw121 4,448]

I don't keep up with draft coverage much. Can some one give me an idea of what the Cowboys draft board would be?

[Rabidhorn 121]

Board for positions would be

LB (2)

WR

S

OG

DT

TE

CB

RB

QB

[Bone3421 716]

5 hours ago, Jameslaw121 said:

I don't keep up with draft coverage much. Can some one give me an idea of what the Cowboys draft board would be?

Every defensive player with a draftable grade 

Then like 5 offensive players 

[Dr Fear 1,268]

Something is going down involving David Irving.

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[JohnnyRage 1,617]

I’m so close to not caring about the Cowboys.

[Vic Mackey 47,037]

Something is going down involving David Irving.

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No idea what is going on but I just saw a tweet that said Irving said on Facebook to disregard his posts because his ex hacked his account. That he kicked her out for cheating.

[Amobie 58]

10 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

17 minutes ago, Dr Fear said:

Something is going down involving David Irving.

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No idea what is going on but I just saw a tweet that said Irving said on Facebook to disregard his posts because his ex hacked his account. That he kicked her out for cheating.

6 games with no appeal.  /Goodell

[GlenFromTheMailRoom 1,610]

12 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

19 minutes ago, Dr Fear said:

Something is going down involving David Irving.

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No idea what is going on but I just saw a tweet that said Irving said on Facebook to disregard his posts because his ex hacked his account. That he kicked her out for cheating.

The dude messing around with Irving's ex must have a death wish.

[Dr Fear 1,268]

The Ex is not much of a speller.

[Viper 12,109]

4 minutes ago, Dr Fear said:

The Ex is not much of a speller.

Maybe poker's her game 

[Dr Fear 1,268]

Draft setup.  They couldn't set the stage back to accommodate more fans in the seats???

[Mileslong 4,727]

6 games with no appeal.  /Goodell

Lol, so true. I hope all the cowboy fans at the draft give Goodell a warm reception when he is introduced

[Vic Mackey 47,037]

Here's what Irving had to say.

[Viper 12,109]

so he's chasing amy?

[In10se 175]

I thought it had to be 3 or more dudes to be a 🚆

[Vic Mackey 47,037]

I thought it had to be 3 or more dudes to be a

It is by most definitions. Having a threesome is not having a train ran on you.

[Mileslong 4,727]

It is by most definitions. Having a threesome is not having a train ran on you.

Is that how Zepol explained it to you afterwards?