Ex Cop and son kill unarmed black man jogging

[purplepride95 6890]

 

Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/26/us/ahmed-arbery-shooting-georgia.html

 

What We Know About the Shooting Death of Ahmaud Arbery

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/us/politics/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html

 

[fattyflattie 4636]

Fucking fry them. 

[Bigbend1812 12896]

[crash_davis 23088]

1. Years ago, I overhead this conversation in my gym locker room.

African American guy walks in and greets 2 other AA guys changing.

AA1: Man, I ran 3 miles this weekend!

AA2: What? All at once?????

AA1: Man, what do you mean all at once? Hell yes all at once.

AA3: falls off the bench laughing too hard.

Sooo, we know this dude wasn't just jogging. I KEED! I KEED!

 

2. my wife likes to go in new homes being constructed. she likes to see the floor plans, fixtures, and other shit. luckily she's never been shot doing that. but then again, she aint black.

3. why couldn't these upstanding citizens just call the got damned police, like every other person would.

4. fuck this father and son combo. there's a reason civilized societies have due process and courts. who the fuck made them judge and executioner?

[Continental Op 3934]

Thank goodness some good guys with guns were there to stop that horrible negro who had the nerve to run through their neighborhood! 

[crash_davis 23088]

2 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

Thank goodness some good guys with guns were there to stop that horrible negro who had the nerve to run through their neighborhood! 

these dudes probably had wet dreams of this very scenario. have gun, will vigilante, will extra vigilante against black males

[Foosters 17766]

Just now, crash_davis said:

these dudes probably had wet dreams of this very scenario. have gun, will vigilante, will extra vigilante against black males

100%

Shit, every time there's a story about a crime posted here, tons of posters describe in detail how they would have killed the perpetrator should they have been present.

[Continental Op 3934]

Oh yeah... Disclaimer:  If the kid was robbing houses then obviously he absolutely should have been punished but not by an extrajudicial vigilante squad. 

[Pokoloco 1273]

He was wearing Khaki shorts going for a jog?  

[Foosters 17766]

2 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

He was wearing Khaki shorts going for a jog?  

[UrbanAchiever 276]

Two Weapons, a Chase, a Killing and No Charges

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Ahmaud Arbery loved to run. It was how the 25-year-old former high school football standout stayed fit, his friends said, and it was not unusual to see him running around the outskirts of the small coastal Georgia city near where he lived.

But on a Sunday afternoon in February, as Mr. Arbery ran through a suburban neighborhood of ranch houses and moss-draped oaks, he passed a man standing in his front yard, who later told the police that Mr. Arbery looked like the suspect in a string of break-ins.

According to a police report, the man, Gregory McMichael, 64, called out to his son, Travis McMichael, 34. They grabbed their weapons, a .357 magnum revolver and a shotgun, jumped into a truck and began following Mr. Arbery.

“Stop, stop,” they shouted at Mr. Arbery, “we want to talk to you.”

Moments later, after a struggle over the shotgun, Mr. Arbery was killed, shot at least twice.

No one has been charged or arrested in connection with the Feb. 23 killing. The case has received little attention beyond Brunswick, but it has raised questions in the community about racial profiling — Mr. Arbery was black, and the father and son are white — and about the interpretation of the state’s self-defense laws.

The Rev. John Davis Perry II, the president of the Brunswick chapter of the NAACP, has called the shooting “troubling.” And Mr. Arbery’s friends and family have worried that the case, similar to others that have prompted nationwide outrage, might quietly disappear in their Deep South community, because social-distancing restrictions amid the coronavirus outbreak have made it difficult for them to gather and protest.

“We can’t do anything because of this corona stuff,” said Wanda Cooper, Mr. Arbery’s mother. “We thought about walking out where the shooting occurred, just doing a little march, but we can’t be out right now.”

Mr. Arbery was killed three days before the anniversary of the 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed African-American teenager whose confrontation with a Florida neighborhood watch captain, George Zimmerman, helped ignite the Black Lives Matter movement.

According to documents obtained by The New York Times, a prosecutor who had the case for a few weeks told the police that the pursuers had acted within the scope of Georgia’s citizen’s arrest statute, and that Travis McMichael, who held the shotgun, had acted out of self-defense.

The police report does not mention whether Mr. Arbery was in possession of a weapon.

Attempts to reach Gregory McMichael, a retired investigator in the district attorney’s office, were unsuccessful. In a brief phone conversation, Travis McMichael, who runs a company that gives custom boat tours, declined to comment, citing the continuing investigation.

The prosecutor who wrote the letter, George E. Barnhill, the district attorney for Georgia’s Waycross Judicial Circuit, recused himself from the case this month, after Mr. Arbery’s family complained that he had a conflict of interest. A prosecutor from another county is now in charge and will determine whether the case should be presented to a grand jury.

In and around Brunswick, activists and allies of Mr. Arbery’s family are doing what they can to organize online. They have started a Facebook page and have coordinated a pressure campaign, emailing law enforcement officials and the local newspaper. There are hashtags, #IRunWithMaud and #JusticeForAhmaud, and T-shirts have been printed. But few people are on the streets to see their message.

“There are a lot of people absolutely ready to protest,” said Jason Vaughn, a football coach at Brunswick High School who coached Mr. Arbery, who was an outside linebacker. “But because of social distancing and being safe, we have to watch what’s going on with the coronavirus.”

Mr. Arbery was killed in Satilla Shores, a quiet middle-class enclave that abuts a network of marshlands about 15 minutes from downtown Brunswick and a short jog from Mr. Arbery’s neighborhood.

His friends and family said they believed that Mr. Arbery, who was wearing a white T-shirt, khaki shorts, Nike sneakers and a bandanna when he was killed, had been out exercising.

“Everybody in the community knows he runs,” said Mr. Vaughn, who said he saw Mr. Arbery jogging on the streets a few months ago. Mr. Vaughn said that he himself had raised suspicions by jogging through his own neighborhood in the suburbs of Brunswick, recalling a recent instance in which a white woman followed him in a van.

But others contend that Mr. Arbery was up to no good. On the day of the shooting, and apparently moments before the chase, a neighbor in Satilla Shores called 911, telling the dispatcher that a black man in a white T-shirt was inside a house that was under construction and only partially closed in.

“And he’s running right now,” the man told the dispatcher. “There he goes right now!”

In his letter to the police, Mr. Barnhill, the prosecutor, noted that Mr. Arbery had a criminal past. Court records show that Mr. Arbery was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, according to The Brunswick News, he was indicted on charges that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game.

Still, even if Mr. Arbery committed a property crime on the afternoon he was killed, activists and family members said it would not have warranted a chase by armed neighbors.

“This incident was at the least a case of overly zealous citizens that wrongfully profiled the victim without cause,” Mr. Perry wrote in an email. “These men felt justified in taking the law in their own hands.”

Ms. Cooper, Mr. Arbery’s mother, said she believed the men had judged her son by his skin color. And she does not believe he committed any crimes that day. If he had, she said, “he should have been handled by the police.”

Ms. Cooper pushed for Mr. Barnhill, a veteran prosecutor, to recuse himself from the case after she learned that his son works in the Brunswick district attorney’s office, which had previously employed Gregory McMichael. (The Brunswick district attorney, Jackie Johnson, recused herself early on, also because Mr. McMichael had worked in her office.)

“She believes there are kinships between the parties (there are not) and has made other unfounded allegations of bias(es),” Mr. Barnhill wrote in his letter, sent in early April, to the Glynn County Police Department. As such, Mr. Barnhill wrote, he had decided to step away from the case, and would ask Georgia’s attorney general’s office to pick another prosecutor.

Mr. Barnhill also wrote that he did not believe there was evidence of a crime, noting that Gregory McMichael and his son had been legally carrying their weapons under Georgia law. And because Mr. Arbery was a “burglary suspect,” the pursuers, who had “solid firsthand probable cause,” were justified in chasing him under the state’s citizen’s arrest law.

In a separate document, Mr. Barnhill stated that video exists of Mr. Arbery “burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.” In the letter to the police, he cites a separate video of the shooting filmed by a third pursuer.

Mr. Barnhill said this video, which has not been made public, shows Mr. Arbery attacking Travis McMichael after he and his father pulled up to him in their truck.

The video shows Mr. Arbery trying to grab the shotgun from Travis McMichael’s hands, Mr. Barnhill wrote. And that, he argued, amounts to self-defense under Georgia law. Travis McMichael, Mr. Barnhill concluded, “was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

He noted that it was possible that Mr. Arbery had caused the gun to go off by pulling on it, and pointed to Mr. Arbery’s “mental health records” and prior convictions, which, he said, “help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.”

After Mr. Barnhill recused himself, the case was assigned to Tom Durden, in the city of Hinesville, Ga., who must now decide whether to present the case to a grand jury for possible indictments. In an interview last week, Mr. Durden said his team had begun reviewing the evidence. “We don’t know anything about the case,” he said. “We don’t have any preconceived idea about it.”

The police report is based almost solely upon the responding officer’s interview with Gregory McMichael, who had worked at the police department from 1982 to 1989. The responding officer describes him as a witness. According to the report, Mr. McMichael told the officer that he and his son pulled up near Mr. Arbery, that his son got out of the truck with the shotgun, and that his son and Mr. Arbery then fought over the weapon, “at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot.”

Michael J. Moore, an Atlanta lawyer who formerly served as a U.S. attorney in Georgia, reviewed Mr. Barnhill’s letter to the Glynn County Police Department, as well as the initial police report, at the request of The Times. In an email, Mr. Moore called Mr. Barnhill’s opinion “flawed.”

In his view, Mr. Moore said, the McMichaels appeared to be the aggressors in the confrontation, and such aggressors were not justified in using force under Georgia’s self-defense laws. “The law does not allow a group of people to form an armed posse and chase down an unarmed person who they believe might have possibly been the perpetrator of a past crime,” Mr. Moore wrote.

Nearly two months after the shooting, residents of Satilla Shores remained on guard. One woman angrily asked what a reporter was up to, and another approached almost immediately with similar questions, announcing that she was armed and that she had notified the police.

Mr. Vaughn, the football coach, said on Sunday that he and other activists had come up with a plan to keep the pressure on the authorities. They plan to drive to Mr. Durden’s office in Hinesville, he said, about an hour away. They will mark off spots on the sidewalk so that they remain several feet apart. And they will enter the building, one by one, to ask why the men who chased Mr. Arbery have not been arrested.

[Foosters 17766]

Edit: UrbanAcheiver got there first

Edited April 29, 2020 by Foosters

[Guest Lobo]

6 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

He was wearing Khaki shorts going for a jog?  

Safer than gray pants.  Fuck these two pieces of redneck shit.  $50 says their religion of choice of guns 'n racism.  

[Pokoloco 1273]

 I'm not buying the out for a jog thing, but these 2 dipshits should've never taken the law into their own hands in the first place. 

 

[immortal13 4059]

13 minutes ago, Foosters said:

100%

Shit, every time there's a story about a crime posted here, tons of posters describe in detail how they would have killed the perpetrator should they have been present.

Really? Can you post an example?

[crash_davis 23088]

how to make a citizen's arrest.

https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Citizen's-Arrest

[purplepride95 6890]

inserts from 911 call

 

Moments before Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead on a public street on a Sunday afternoon in February, 911 dispatchers received the first of two calls about his presence in the Satilla Shores neighborhood.

Fifty seconds into that call, the dispatcher interrupted the man with a pressing question.

“I just need to know what he was doing wrong,” the dispatcher said to the caller at 1:08 p.m.

Shortly afterward, retired Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney investigator Gregory McMichael and his adult son, Travis McMichael, armed themselves and pursued Arbery down Satilla Drive in a pickup truck, according to a Glynn County police report. A block away at Satilla Drive and Buford Road, Travis McMichael stepped out of the truck with a shotgun and confronted Arbery, 25, the report said. Travis McMichael fired the gun twice during the ensuing struggle; Arbery died on the spot.

Two months later, there is no resolution to the case, which now sits with Hinesville District Attorney Tom Durden. The case originally was assigned by the state Attorney General to Ware County DA George E. Barnhill. Brunswick DA Jackie Johnson had cited a conflict of interest, noting McMichael’s more than 20 years as an investigator with her office. McMichael served seven years prior to that as a Glynn County police officer.

Ware County DA Barnhill stepped away from the case early this month at the request of Arbery’s family. Barnhill said the family cited a conflict because his son, George F. Barnhill, is an attorney with the Brunswick DA.

The state attorney turned the case over to Durden on April 13. “Jackie (Johnson’s) office delivered the files to me and things are moving along,” Durden told The News the next day.

Durden could not be reached Tuesday for a question on the progress of his investigation.

As for the emergency call on the afternoon of Feb. 23, the Glynn-Brunswick 911 dispatcher never got a clear answer to her question. The man said Arbery was walking inside an open home that apparently had been under construction for some time, according to transcripts. Also, Arbery ran.

The 911 center received a second call from the Satilla Shores neighborhood moments later, at 1:14 p.m.

“I’m out here at Satilla Shores,” the caller said. “There’s a black male running down the street.”

Arbery was black. The McMichaels are white.

Arbery was an enthusiastic runner, according to friends and family. The former all-star linebacker at Brunswick High was often seen jogging in the community, according posts on the Facebook page, “I Run With Maud #JusticeForAhmaud).”

“He loved to run,” Paul Dix, the brother-in-law of Arbery’s mother, Wanda Cooper, told The News on Tuesday. “He loved to stay in shape. He loved to get out on the road and run, just keep running.”

Both callers to 911 that day reported seeing Arbery running. The identities of the callers were redacted from the transcript of the 911 call provided The News.

Arbery had been seen recently on surveillance video in the neighborhood, according to the first caller. Neither call specifies a crime Arbery might have committed.

“There’s a guy in the house right now; it’s under construction,” the man told the dispatcher.

The man then gave her an address.

“And you said someone’s breaking into it right now?” the dispatcher asked.

“No,” the man replied, “it’s all open. It’s under construction … “

The man interrupted to say Arbery was leaving. “And there he goes right now.”

 

“Ok,” the dispatcher said, “What is he doing?”

“He’s running down the street,” the man said. The next sentence is garbled.

“That’s fine,” the dispatcher said. “I’ll get (police) out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be?”

The next sentence is garbled. “And he’s been caught on camera a bunch at night. It’s kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think he’s not going to finish it.”

“Ok, that’s fine,” the dispatcher said. “And you said he was a male in a black T-shirt?”

“White T-shirt,” the man said. “Black guy, white T-shirt. He’s done run into the neighborhood again.”

The next 911 call from Satilla Shores came in at 1:14 p.m.

“I’m out here at Satilla Shores,” the man said. “There’s a black male running down the street.”

“Where at Satilla Shores?” the dispatcher asked.

“I don’t know what street we’re on,” the man replied.

“Stop!” he can be heard shouting. “Watch that. Stop, damn it! Stop!”

That call went blank for several minutes, with the dispatcher trying several times to reach the caller. The call eventually hangs up.

At some point during all this, Gregory McMichael was outside at his son’s Satilla Drive home when he saw Arbery running down the street, he told police. He ran inside, armed himself and told his son to grab a gun, Gregory McMichael told police. He said they had seen Arbery on surveillance cameras. The two men got into his son’s pickup truck and caught up to Arbery at Burford Road and Satilla Drive, he told police. After asking Arbery several times to stop, Travis McMichael stepped out of the truck with a shotgun, Gregory McMichael told police.

Gregory McMichael told police a struggle for the gun ensued between Travis McMichael and Arbery, during which his son fired twice. Arbery died at the scene.

After the fatal shooting, Gregory McMichael told responding police that “there have been several break-ins in the neighborhood … “ the police report said.

Only one burglary, an automobile burglary, was reported to county police in the Satilla Shores neighborhood between Jan. 1 and Feb. 23, according to documents obtained by The News in a public records request to the Glynn County Police Department. It involved a Smith & Wesson M&P 9 mm pistol stolen Jan. 1 from a pickup truck outside 230 Satilla Drive, the home of Travis McMichael, according to the police report.

Gregory McMichael moved the 2011 Ford F-150 from one spot to another in front of the home at around 9:30 a.m. Jan. 1, forgetting to lock it afterward, Travis McMichael told police. About an hour later, Travis McMichael found the handgun’s empty holster on the unlocked truck’s seat, the report said.

Paul Dix recalled the time Arbery intercepted a pass at the 20-year-old line during a high school football game in Augusta. “He went 80 yards to the end zone,” Dix said. “They couldn’t catch him. Couldn’t touch him. I’ve tried jogging with him a few times. Leaves me gasping after a quarter mile. He’s a runner.”

Dix paused, perhaps realizing he had just spoken in the present tense of the young man he had considered a nephew.

“It’s a dark wound in our whole family,” the Augusta resident said. “It makes us feel miserable. Not only for his death, but for what happened. How it happened. Why it happened.”

Edited April 29, 2020 by purplepride95

[purplepride95 6890]

10 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

 I'm not buying the out for a jog thing, but these 2 dipshits should've never taken the law into their own hands in the first place. 

 

Why are you not buying him taking a jog on a Sunday afternoon?

[TwiceHorn 31322]

Just now, Dr. Beeper said:

Need more info. Need to see that video. 

No you don't really.

He wasn't armed or threatening anyone with a weapon.  No need for armed confrontation and murder.  I don't care if he was Chapo Guzman.

These toolboxes were the redneck, armed version of Karen.

[UT_OB1 2202]

Yeah no way am I ever stopping for someone (in this case 2 people) chasing me down with guns in hand.  I don't see how this isn't straight up murder.

[crash_davis 23088]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Need more info. Need to see that video. 

why does it matter? it seems like maybe these 2 geniuses called 911 already. the cops were already engaged. why the need to grab guns, hop in a truck and track down the dude? what the hell did they think they were going to do bringing guns?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Need more info. Need to see that video. 

Yes.  Won't stop the virtue signalers from virtue signaling no matter what it shows.  They have made up their minds.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, crash_davis said:

why does it matter? it seems like maybe these 2 geniuses called 911 already. the cops were already engaged. why the need to grab guns, hop in a truck and track down the dude? what the hell did they think they were going to do bringing guns?

Because regardless of your opinion about the law, they very may well have been in compliance with it.  If you don't like the law, change it.

[Beau Vine 54018]

So it's OK to chase after an unarmed man, who has done nothing to threaten you, with a shotgun and then claim self defense when you shoot him?

Do I have that correct?
 

[Beau Vine 54018]

37 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

how to make a citizen's arrest.

 

 

[crash_davis 23088]

6 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Because regardless of your opinion about the law, they very may well have been in compliance with it.  If you don't like the law, change it.

they did not witness a crime. so what laws did this guy break that would warrant armed men harassing him? you gun nuts forget about due process.

how the fuck would you receive two black armed black guys harassing you because you were in the "wrong" neighborhood. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by crash_davis

[crash_davis 23088]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Yes.  Won't stop the virtue signalers from virtue signaling no matter what it shows.  They have made up their minds.

neither will we stop racists from being racists.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

So it's OK to chase after an unarmed man, who has done nothing to threaten you, with a shotgun and then claim self defense when you shoot him?

Do I have that correct?
 

Apparently under the Georgia Citizen Arrest Statute and self defense laws, if you have probably cause to believe someone committed a felony, you have the right to arrest them using your weapon.  And if they attack you and try and take your weapon, you can respond with deadly force.  That is what I read.

So I would like to see the video of what happened.  And an explanation of their probable cause.  Same as I would for any cop shooting someone who attacked them while in the course of arrest.

Maybe the law should be changed.  I would not argue.  I would probably say limit it to violent felonies.  And I certainly would not be attempting to arrest someone for a burglary personally.  I think it was stupid.  But it very well have been legal under the law.

[Jerry Callo 8670]

Wow.  The only police report in the previous month and a half was that of a automobile burglary.  One in which Apple and Tree apparently left Apple's 9 mm in an unlocked truck.  Dipshits aren't even responsible enough to own weapons.

[Foosters 17766]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Apparently under the Georgia Citizen Arrest Statute and self defense laws, if you have probably cause to believe someone committed a felony, you have the right to arrest them using your weapon.  And if they attack you and try and take your weapon, you can respond with deadly force.  That is what I read.

So I would like to see the video of what happened.  And an explanation of their probable cause.  Same as I would for any cop shooting someone who attacked them while in the course of arrest.

Maybe the law should be changed.  I would not argue.  I would probably say limit it to violent felonies.  And I certainly would not be attempting to arrest someone for a burglary personally.  I think it was stupid.  But it very well have been legal under the law.

Wrong. To effectuate citizen's arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence or with "immediate knowledge" of the crime. Not probable cause. Certainly not, "hey that guy running looks like a description I have heard of a criminal."

[crash_davis 23088]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Wrong. To effectuate citizen's arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence or with "immediate knowledge" of the crime. Not probable cause. Certainly not, "hey, black guy!."

fify

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, Foosters said:

Wrong. To effectuate citizen's arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence or with "immediate knowledge" of the crime. Not probable cause. Certainly not, "hey that guy running looks like a description I have heard of a criminal."

If that is the case, then prosecute. 

[TwiceHorn 31322]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Wrong. To effectuate citizen's arrest, the crime must have been committed in your presence or with "immediate knowledge" of the crime. Not probable cause. Certainly not, "hey that guy running looks like a description I have heard of a criminal."

Nope.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/

What a terrible law.  First, citizen's arrest statutes are just dumb to begin with.  But placing evaluation of a felony, fleeing, and probable cause in the hands of civilians is moronic.

Texas only allows citizen's arrests for felonies or breaches of the peace (piece LOL) committed in view of the officer or other person.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CR/htm/CR.14.htm

Still kind of dumb, but no civilian probable cause.

Edited April 29, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Foosters 17766]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Nope.

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-17/chapter-4/article-4/17-4-60/

What a terrible law.  First, citizen's arrest statutes are just dumb to begin with.  But placing evaluation of a felony, fleeing, and probable cause in the hands of civilians is moronic.

Fair enough. The summary I read left that out.  License to kill. 

Guys in street clothes with guns start chasing me. I defend myself, because well, there are armed men chasing me. My defending myself give the armed men legal grounds to kill me. 

Fuck this fucking country.

[Foosters 17766]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

If that is the case, then prosecute. 

Looks like I was wrong.

[Guest Lobo]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Apparently under the Georgia Citizen Arrest Statute and self defense laws, if you have probably cause to believe someone committed a felony, you have the right to arrest them using your weapon.  And if they attack you and try and take your weapon, you can respond with deadly force.  That is what I read.

So I would like to see the video of what happened.  And an explanation of their probable cause.  Same as I would for any cop shooting someone who attacked them while in the course of arrest.

Maybe the law should be changed.  I would not argue.  I would probably say limit it to violent felonies.  And I certainly would not be attempting to arrest someone for a burglary personally.  I think it was stupid.  But it very well have been legal under the law.

Not even the most backwards jurisdictions in the deep south or Alaska would give carte blanche to  citizens with "if you have probable cause to believe someone committed a felony, you can arrest them using your weapon."  Maybe, maybe, maybe...if you think they may have committed the crime on your property or person in the very immediate past tense, you could justify the weapon.  But there isn't a law anywhere in the Western Hemisphere that allows citizens who think the guy they just saw may have committed some trespassing in the days/weeks prior, and then permits them to hunt him down in a motorized vehicle while he is on foot and have two people open fire on an unarmed suspect.  

Now, if this were the police...we'd have to wait for videos and all kinds of investigations into whether or not they really were looking for a guy who looked just like this guy based on previous complaints/reports.  And it'd end up being one of those dividing, what do you call it 'virtue signaling'?, cases.  But I bet even racist ass backwater Georgia cops would have tackled/tased/beat him first.  This was two guys rolling up on an unarmed man and shooting him in the back because he looked the one other black guy they saw that month.  

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Lobo

[atomheartbevo 89474]

55 minutes ago, purplepride95 said:

At some point during all this, Gregory McMichael was outside at his son’s Satilla Drive home when he saw Arbery running down the street, he told police. He ran inside, armed himself and told his son to grab a gun, Gregory McMichael told police. He said they had seen Arbery on surveillance cameras. The two men got into his son’s pickup truck and caught up to Arbery at Burford Road and Satilla Drive, he told police. After asking Arbery several times to stop, Travis McMichael stepped out of the truck with a shotgun, Gregory McMichael told police.

How fucking big of a coward do you have to be, to be this fucking scared all the time?  Oh wait, they couldn’t just hide and call the cops, or follow behind in the truck, they had to get out and confront him.

It would be great if his son rotted away in prison.   Let the dad spend the rest of his life living with that.   Let him explain how he told his son to get a gun.

Edited April 29, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Isn't 

- thinking some guy committed a crime

- getting you and some other folks armed

- chasing them down when they are no threat to you

- ???

- guy ends up dead

almost to-a-T definition of lynching?

[po elvis 2070]

When they got guns to chase the guy down as opposed to calling the cops, they took the risk of the possible consequences. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Isn't 

- thinking some guy committed a crime

- getting you and some other folks armed

- chasing them down when they are no threat to you

- ???

- guy ends up dead

almost to-a-T definition of lynching?

[Guest Lobo]

And doesn't this start to invite this scenario? 

Get one of your buddies with a clean criminal record, to dress suspicious and run through a neighborhood where he doesn't necessarily fit the demographic (pick somebody who is fast)

He entices the rednecks to give chase.

Rednecks turn a dark corner and get their weapons at the ready.

Original "running man" has a handful of friends around the corner who see the rednecks have guns (one guy is filming it).

Running man's friends see that a crime is already taking place (chasing down an unarmed man who actually hasn't committed any crimes is itself illegal) given the rednecks are packing.

Open fire on the rednecks and claim protection under this insane statue.  

Seems like a legit way to get rid of some really unnecessarily violent members of the Get 'Er Done crowd.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

20 minutes ago, Lobo said:

And doesn't this start to invite this scenario? 

Get one of your buddies with a clean criminal record, to dress suspicious and run through a neighborhood where he doesn't necessarily fit the demographic (pick somebody who is fast)

He entices the rednecks to give chase.

Rednecks turn a dark corner and get their weapons at the ready.

Original "running man" has a handful of friends around the corner who see the rednecks have guns (one guy is filming it).

Running man's friends see that a crime is already taking place (chasing down an unarmed man who actually hasn't committed any crimes is itself illegal) given the rednecks are packing.

Open fire on the rednecks and claim protection under this insane statue.  

Seems like a legit way to get rid of some really unnecessarily violent members of the Get 'Er Done crowd.

Get after it then.  

[aggie08 21445]

2 hours ago, po elvis said:

When they got guns to chase the guy down as opposed to calling the cops, they took the risk of the possible consequences. 

The possible consequence of getting to shoot some "thug", high five each other, crack open a beer, and enjoy some father-son bonding.

[SHOOTER12 8791]

5 hours ago, crash_davis said:

why does it matter? it seems like maybe these 2 geniuses called 911 already. the cops were already engaged. why the need to grab guns, hop in a truck and track down the dude? what the hell did they think they were going to do bringing guns?

Exactly what the two bastards did.

[JBJ 3649]

Why do I have to read through 20 paragraphs of how much he liked to run before I get to the part where he is on video burglarizing a home, being pursued by at least one other party, that the attack is on video, and there are corroborating witnesses?

Edited April 30, 2020 by JBJ

[immortal13 4059]

4 hours ago, Lobo said:

And doesn't this start to invite this scenario? 

Get one of your buddies with a clean criminal record, to dress suspicious and run through a neighborhood where he doesn't necessarily fit the demographic (pick somebody who is fast)

He entices the rednecks to give chase.

Rednecks turn a dark corner and get their weapons at the ready.

Original "running man" has a handful of friends around the corner who see the rednecks have guns (one guy is filming it).

Running man's friends see that a crime is already taking place (chasing down an unarmed man who actually hasn't committed any crimes is itself illegal) given the rednecks are packing.

Open fire on the rednecks and claim protection under this insane statue.  

Seems like a legit way to get rid of some really unnecessarily violent members of the Get 'Er Done crowd.

You seem mildly regarded 

[Beau Vine 54018]

6 minutes ago, JBJ said:

he is on video burglarizing a home,

Que?

[JBJ 3649]

5 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Que?

From the article:

Quote

Mr. Barnhill, [the prosecutor,] stated that video exists of Mr. Arbery “burglarizing a home immediately preceding the chase and confrontation.” 

Edited April 30, 2020 by JBJ

[dcar00 14043]

lots of dumbass in Georgia here.

law is dumb

cooter and jim bob are dumb

videos will be interesting.  they will probably get off if the video shows the runner going at the guy but I can see the son getting some kind of negligent homicide with minimum sentence.

I wonder if the son's gun goes off during struggle and then the dad shoots.

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, immortal13 said:

You seem mildly regarded 

You’re right, there’s no place for unnecessary/unjustified shootings in America.  And I once testified for the second amendment.