Ex Cop and son kill unarmed black man jogging

[Braff Zacklin 13434]

Yes, he seems like a reliable narrator. We should totally take his word, since he is on the stand for killing the poor guy who was just jogging home.

[Captainant 27497]

I found a transcript from NPR, here's the relevant quote:

"He had my gun. He struck me," McMichael said, choking up as he described the shooting. "It was obvious that he was attacking me, that if he would've got the shotgun from me, then it was a life or death situation. And I'm gonna have to stop him from doing this, so I shot."

So it sounds like Arbery tried to take the gun from the men who were trying to lynch him.

Starting a confrontation does not justify your own self defense once you get scared. 

Edit: and nowhere did he say Arbery pointed a gun at him. Stop lying.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Captainant

[Aqua Buddha 14529]

7 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

You say "pointing a gun at him for no reason." But Arbery is on video as having just committed a crime.
You say he has the right to fight for the gun. That would be self-defense. Why doesn't the fellow at whom he's pointing the gun then have the same right to self-defense? 

The whole thing's a cluster... I'm mainly just making the point that the media has done a very poor job of explaining that Arbery had a gun when he was shot. I would venture to say 98% of the American public is unaware of that not so minor detail.  
 

So, what if he did have a gun?  He should be using it to protect himself against the three guys who tried to run him over with a truck.

But if he "had a gun," he took it away from Hillbilly Boy, which had every right to do in defense of himself.

[wildcat09 29291]

13 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

You say "pointing a gun at him for no reason." But Arbery is on video as having just committed a crime.
You say he has the right to fight for the gun. That would be self-defense. Why doesn't the fellow at whom he's pointing the gun then have the same right to self-defense? 

The whole thing's a cluster... I'm mainly just making the point that the media has done a very poor job of explaining that Arbery had a gun when he was shot. I would venture to say 98% of the American public is unaware of that not so minor detail.  
 

You know we’ve seen the video you fucking liar.

['stache 21778]

14 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

You say "pointing a gun at him for no reason." But Arbery is on video as having just committed a crime.
You say he has the right to fight for the gun. That would be self-defense. Why doesn't the fellow at whom he's pointing the gun then have the same right to self-defense? 

The whole thing's a cluster... I'm mainly just making the point that the media has done a very poor job of explaining that Arbery had a gun when he was shot. I would venture to say 98% of the American public is unaware of that not so minor detail.  
 

wat?

[Captainant 27497]

Pretty sure the police report included that Arbery was unarmed. Because he was on a fucking run. Jesus fucking Christ y'all.

@Burnt Orange in OC you are spreading disinformation. Eat a dick. 

[OU Sucks 8749]

27 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Dude on the stand was asked why he shot him. He said because he had my gun pointed at me.
 

 

Very convenient that he remembers the exact details of how he "defended" himself, but everything else is a blur.

[Brothahorn 10085]

I found a transcript from NPR, here's the relevant quote:
"He had my gun. He struck me," McMichael said, choking up as he described the shooting. "It was obvious that he was attacking me, that if he would've got the shotgun from me, then it was a life or death situation. And I'm gonna have to stop him from doing this, so I shot."
So it sounds like Arbery tried to take the gun from the men who were trying to lynch him.
Starting a confrontation does not justify your own self defense once you get scared. 
Edit: and nowhere did he say Arbery pointed a gun at him. Stop lying.

Fuck McMichael. How does he have your gun, but you shot him with your gun?

I wish Arbery would have had a gun. We would have seen how brave this bitch was then.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

So Arbery had a gun ? The gun he wrestled away from a guy who was in all probability going to execute him with that very gun for: being black in a residential construction zone, in Georgia ?

Sounds like his own self defense was foremost in his mind. 

Those fucks should be convicted, and on their way to prison.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Onboard 2.0

[Jshep34 2304]

Arbery never would have had a gun if mcmichael didnt go full on cop. They went and approached him locked and loaded. At the very minimum manslaughter. Dont think it was capital murder. But at thier age neither should ever be set free.

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[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20349]

Dude started crying on the stand (aka the Rittenhouse maneuver) like a little bitch.

Fuck him. If these fuckers go free burn it all down to the ground.

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

This is probably terrible legal theory - and yes I realize it does not matter because the victim is dead - but it seems like Arbery would have a self-defense claim. Three random guys come at you with a gun, and reasonable person would fear for his life. The jury should take five minutes to convict.

[wildcat09 29291]

Jesus Christ people, he never had a fucking gun. The murderer is lying and the sock account is promoting his lie.

[TwiceHorn 31322]

Ahmaud Arbery did not have a gun.

Full stop.

At most, and as evidenced by the video, he had a hand or a grip on the barrel of McMichael's shotgun.

[TwiceHorn 31322]

20 minutes ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

This is probably terrible legal theory - and yes I realize it does not matter because the victim is dead - but it seems like Arbery would have a self-defense claim. Three random guys come at you with a gun, and reasonable person would fear for his life. The jury should take five minutes to convict.

More accurately, this is a clear case of provocation by the McMichaels.  Whatever  "aggressive" actions of Arbery McMichael defended himself against were entirely provoked by McMichael.

In contrast to Rittenhouse, the McMichaels were driving around armed like vigilantes, and also took aggressive action against an individual.

Edited November 18, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Jshep34 2304]

Arbery stood his ground. Unarmed versus people with firearms.

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[Mdhorn 5915]

6 minutes ago, Jshep34 said:

Arbery stood his ground. Unarmed versus people with firearms.

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And he's dead because he had no firearms.    

Edited November 18, 2021 by Mdhorn

[TwiceHorn 31322]

1 hour ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

You say "pointing a gun at him for no reason." But Arbery is on video as having just committed a crime.
You say he has the right to fight for the gun. That would be self-defense. Why doesn't the fellow at whom he's pointing the gun then have the same right to self-defense? 

The whole thing's a cluster... I'm mainly just making the point that the media has done a very poor job of explaining that Arbery had a gun when he was shot. I would venture to say 98% of the American public is unaware of that not so minor detail.  
 

Probably because he didn't.

You are way off on the facts on many levels.

[Deej 76599]

1 hour ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

"He had my gun that I was going to kill him with, and somehow I did anyway."

fify

[Agent 13 314]

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

fify

[Homercles 10205]

Love these old accounts with almost no posts that come to life in the most intense threads

[Brisketexan 104746]

"I was scared because that unarmed man tried to take my gun that I was using to hunt him with."

That’s their defense.

It has a fairly good chance of working. See the take of the POS troll above. Then realize he’s probably more decent and less racist than several of the local jurors.

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2059]

2 hours ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Why am I just learning that Ahmaud Arbery had taken a gun from one of the men

all it takes is one piece of shit to get these guys off.  we'll see.

[VABuckeye 2472]

2 hours ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

But Arbery is on video as having just committed a crime.

What crime?  Who had him on video because the McMichaels’s certainly didn’t. 

[Burnt Orange in OC 116]

4 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

What crime?  Who had him on video because the McMichaels’s certainly didn’t. 

Did he unlawfully enter the home under construction?

[mchookem 16246]

[MadBurgerMaker 403]

54 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Did he unlawfully enter the home under construction?

Yeah better roll up on him with some guns and try to grab him for going into a construction site. 

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2059]

56 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Did he unlawfully enter the home under construction?

 

[fattyflattie 4636]

59 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Did he unlawfully enter the home under construction?

Bruh. You’re trolling. Fuck outta here with that.  

[ChiTownDoc 21105]

On 11/16/2021 at 4:31 PM, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

This one does feel about facts. The Rittenhouse was much more clearly tied in with politics and culture war and everything else that people could write their own prejudices into.  This one is just some assholes chased down and shot a kid. They fry fry fry and I don’t think a jury of Goebbels, Jesse Helms, Calvin Candie, and your 9 favorite Vidor residents would let them off. 

I can only pick 9?  

[Brisketexan 104746]

Bruh. You’re trolling. Fuck outta here with that.  

He’s a good example of how at least one juror will think. So, thanks for that.

[fattyflattie 4636]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He’s a good example of how at least one juror will think. So, thanks for that.

Should have locked the thread at post #2, if I do say so myself.  Wrapped up neat with a bow and all. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by fattyflattie

[Burnt Orange in OC 116]

54 minutes ago, MadBurgerMaker said:

Yeah better roll up on him with some guns and try to grab him for going into a construction site. 

But what does the law say? 

Is the trial taking place in a court of law or in a court of what the people want regardless of what the law says? (n.b. Someone here previously noted that Georgia has changed the law that was on the books at the time regarding citizen's arrest and confronting individuals suspected of violating the law.)

Because it's a slippery slope back to a world we don't want to live in if we're going to ignore the law and just go with feelings.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Burnt Orange in OC

[Guest Lobo]

4 hours ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

The courtroom testimony of the man who said Ahmad Arberry was pointing a gun at him.

"He had my gun."

Oh you're really not gonna like what happens next to his gun, mate.  

You are certainly one of the more interesting computer generated bot posters on here.  

[Burnt Orange in OC 116]

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Oh you're really not gonna like what happens next to his gun, mate.  

You are certainly one of the more interesting computer generated bot posters on here.  

I couldn't care less what happens to the defendant, so long as the judge and jury act in accordance with the law.

Unfortunately, the law is of little consequence to most Americans these days, as we begin to succumb to mob rule and what we "believe" to be right based on the pronouncements of a very unreliable media and those voices that effectively "seize the narrative." 

[Guest Lobo]

Just now, Burnt Orange in OC said:

I couldn't care less what happens to the defendant, so long as the judge and jury act in accordance with the law.

Unfortunately, the law is of little consequence to most Americans these days, as we begin to succumb to mob rule and what we "believe" to be right based on the pronouncements of a very unreliable media and those voices that effectively "seize the narrative." 

You are very much going to want to remember that.  You seem old enough to be able to cope with the death of some of your heroes.  Godspeed.

[wildcat09 29291]

This fucker is still outright lying about the facts of the case.

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2659]

12 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

I couldn't care less what happens to the defendant, so long as the judge and jury act in accordance with the law.

Unfortunately, the law is of little consequence to most Americans these days, as we begin to succumb to mob rule and what we "believe" to be right based on the pronouncements of a very unreliable media and those voices that effectively "seize the narrative." 

So you believe the law allows the use or threat of deadly force against a fellow citizen whom you believe is committing a misdemeanor?

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This fucker is still outright lying about the facts of the case.

He is, but we just watched dozens of not hundreds of posts do the same in the KR threads.  I don’t recall you up in arms about those posts?  

[Orale 1087]

28 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

But what does the law say? 

Is the trial taking place in a court of law or in a court of what the people want regardless of what the law says? (n.b. Someone here previously noted that Georgia has changed the law that was on the books at the time regarding citizen's arrest and confronting individuals suspected of violating the law.)

Because it's a slippery slope back to a world we don't want to live in if we're going to ignore the law and just go with feelings.

Fuck off.

[TwiceHorn 31322]

23 minutes ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Unfortunately, the law is of little consequence to most Americans these days, as we begin to succumb to mob rule and what we "believe" to be right based on the pronouncements of a very unreliable media and those voices that effectively "seize the narrative." 

And your basis for this statement is what, exactly?  The Trump Administration?

[DigglerontheHoof 21082]

8 hours ago, Burnt Orange in OC said:

Did he unlawfully enter the home under construction?

My dog and I walked into a new development over the weekend and walked through a couple of houses that were going up to check out the floorplan.  

I'll go turn myself into the cops later today.  Hope I don't get prison time. 

[formermav43 4599]

15 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

My dog and I walked into a new development over the weekend and walked through a couple of houses that were going up to check out the floorplan.  

I'll go turn myself into the cops later today.  Hope I don't get prison time. 

Prison time? Apparently you deserve the death penalty.

[workswithseed 2045]

6 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

This fucker is still outright lying about the facts of the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Homeowner gets tired of people walking on to his property.

He asks neighbors to do something about it.

Arbery walks on to property.

He leaves.

Neighbors sees he does this many times and goes after him.

They call cops to say they are going to get him.

They find him and try to detain him.

Arbery goes for the gun?

Neighbors shoot him.

It's been awhile so I probably don't have the facts of the case in line, but that seems to be what happened. 

[aggie08 21445]

12 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

"I was scared because that unarmed man tried to take my gun that I was using to hunt him with."

That's a nice initial defense, but when do we get to the "if he had just complied..." part of our programming?

[NorthLoop 14120]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Homeowner gets tired of people walking on to his property.

He asks neighbors to do something about it.

Arbery walks on to property.

He leaves.

Neighbors sees he does this many times and goes after him.

They call cops to say they are going to get him.

They find him and try to detain him.

Arbery goes for the gun?

Neighbors shoot him.

It's been awhile so I probably don't have the facts of the case in line, but that seems to be what happened. 

You don't have the facts in line which means you should probably not post random shit like that. 

[workswithseed 2045]

1 minute ago, NorthLoop said:

You don't have the facts in line which means you should probably not post random shit like that. 

Okay, what am I missing here? It's not random if I want to understand all the facts. 

[Captainant 27497]

12 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Okay, what am I missing here? It's not random if I want to understand all the facts. 

This shit is getting old man. "I'm too lazy to Google for myself, can't you just tell me and do the Google search for meee?"  But I digress, from NPR's reporting on the prosecution earlier in the trial:

Quote

Satilla Shores neighbors testify

The jury also heard recordings of three 911 calls made by Greg and Travis McMichael about strangers in the neighborhood and heard testimony from neighbor Matthew Albenze, who first reported to police about Arbery wandering around an under-construction house in the neighborhood on the day he was killed, but called a nonemergency number rather than 911 because Albenze "did not see an emergency."

The owner of the construction site, Larry English, testified at length on Thursday in a prerecorded deposition played for jurors along with surveillance camera footage from the property and numerous 911 calls in which English reported trespassers on camera.

"At any point in time, did you authorize the McMichaels to ever confront anybody on your site?" asked prosecutor Paul Camarillo.

"No," replied English.

"Or act on the behalf of the police on your site?" Camarillo followed.

"No" confirmed English.

Officer Robert Rash testifies to previous calls to the property

Glynn County Police Officer Robert Rash testified that he was in direct contact with English, who sent the officer some of the surveillance video. Body camera footage played in court shows Rash responding to a prior 911 call to the property, when Travis McMichael reported seeing a Black man on the property at night.

Rash, standing near the McMichaels and with English on speakerphone, wonders out loud if it's the same man caught on camera before, a "Black male" with "kind of a twist hair, he's lighter skinned and he's got sleeve tattoos."

In the video, Rash tells the McMichaels, "All the times on the video that Mr. English sent me, it's always been just in there plundering around, he hasn't seen him actually take anything."

"It's criminal trespassing," responds Greg McMichael, in the video.

"Yeah, yeah, at the very least," replies Rash. He then brings up a reported gun theft down the street a few weeks earlier, "but we got on video the car ... they were from another neighborhood."

Dunikoski followed up with Rash on the stand. "Was it your intent to deputize Greg McMichael or Travis McMichael?" she asks.

"Never," states Rash.

"What did you want them to be?" Dunikoski counters.

"Witnesses," Rash replies.

In cross-examination, the defense has portrayed a neighborhood on edge from break-ins and say Arbery fit the description of a Black man seen on surveillance video inside the Satilla Shores construction site.

The key takeaways are:

Arbery did not go into anyone's home, and only ran through a new home build. 

The defendants just assumed Arbery was the thief behind some recent break-ins. Give ya a dollar if you can guess why.

The neighbor that observed Arbery specifically DID NOT ask the defendants to do anything about it.

Defendants chase Arbery down the road with two different cars, corner him, and kill him under suspicion of being the neighborhood thief 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Captainant

[workswithseed 2045]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

This shit is getting old man. "I'm too lazy to Google for myself, can't you just tell me and do the Google search for meee?"  But I digress, from NPR's reporting on the prosecution earlier in the trial:

The key takeaways are:

Arbery did not go into anyone's home, and only ran through a new home build. 

The defendants took assumed he was the thief behind some recent break-ins. Give ya a dollar if you can guess why.

The neighbor that observed Arbery specifically DID NOT ask the defendants to do anything about it.

Defendants chase Arbery down the road with two different cars, corner him, and kill him under suspicion of being the neighborhood thief 

There are people who still believe Rittenhouse crossed the border with a rifle, my bad for not wanting to look like that guy on this case. Thanks for the info though, I definitely didn't mean to say "house," I should have known better on that. 

Definitely looks like they should go to prison for murder. actually chasing someone for entertaining a home under construction?  Dumbasses.

 I'd also like that dollar, but since you gave me the needed info you can keep it.

[NorthLoop 14120]

Also the owner of the property under construction has said that he never gave a shit that Aboury came up to look at it.